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Are you involved with a sociopath/psychopath??

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honesttoafault ( member #27105) posted at 8:21 PM on Wednesday, September 8th, 2010

Betsy: I like "mixed personality disorder"!!!

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 ThoughtIKnewYa (original poster member #18449) posted at 8:27 PM on Wednesday, September 8th, 2010

"mixed personality disorder"

I like that one, too, but the first thing that came to my mind when I saw that was "mixed nutbag"...

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capri ( member #14940) posted at 8:52 PM on Wednesday, September 8th, 2010

The pity play is the hallmark of the sociopath/psychopath

A number of people who know exactly what WH is up to have been calling to my attention that this is his standard MO with all these women: poor me. My life is so rough.

He tries it with me, too, still actually portraying himself as someone who has given it all and done it all for me--including having secret friends on the side. Yep, he actually tried the poor me routine, explaining to me that he (poor guy) was so unhappy, and yet even despite his own difficult life, thought first of me, and hence went out and got himself secret e-mail accounts and went on secret dates to b*tch about me to secret friends...so...wait for it...so he wouldn't burden me.

Really, can a guy get much more thoughtful than that? I hardly think so. And yet I don't appreciate it!

Me: free of the secrets and lies!!!
Divorced 10/2011

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letting_go ( member #13774) posted at 10:50 PM on Wednesday, September 8th, 2010

t/j

My theory is that she emotionally abandoned the marriage long ago but due to her religious beliefs(cannot divorce without adultery on my part--she once suggested I get a girl friend)

Did her religious beliefs allow her to commit adultery, infidelity, fornication, etc...?

xmow in our case told H that she could not D her H because god--lower case g on purpose--does not like divorce.

But, somehow he does not mind adultery? Hmmmm...(sarcasm)

"To change and to improve are two different things."
Anonymous. German proverb.

"It is easier to build strong children than to repair broken men." Frederick Douglass (1818-1895)

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Mr. Kite ( member #28840) posted at 11:44 PM on Wednesday, September 8th, 2010

Did her religious beliefs allow her to commit adultery, infidelity, fornication, etc...?

It's a strange thing. We were baptized in the same pool shortly after we married. Maybe it didn't take hold in her case. Now, many years later, she claims she got the message. Time will tell.

I can't tell you what to do, but I can tell you what not to do.

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tamarack ( member #14554) posted at 2:45 AM on Thursday, September 9th, 2010

Yup, my XH is a full-blown sociopath! Every single description fits him to a tee, no exception.

For those of you who deal with a sociopath, they can be truly scary people!

Me: 44 WH: almost 60, sociopath
OW: 56-year-old nutcase
married 10 years, 2 kids (14 & 15)
DDay: 5/2/07
divorced

"I had no back up plan. Just freefalling till I landed" - TrainerCarrie

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NaiveAgain ( member #20849) posted at 4:45 PM on Thursday, September 9th, 2010

The first thing that may clue you in to the fact that you are dealing with a sociopath is that you may end up feeling pity for them, when there is really no very good reason to.

They are experts in emotional manipulation, and seem to be able to "sense" what they need to do to reel each person in.

They do tend to look at life as a game, since they

do not really value people connections except for the way they can use each person for their own purposes.

So, in his own way, my psychoX does "love" his dd, but that is only because she holds some value to him as in:

he uses her to control me

he uses her to show others that he is a good, "normal" dad

he uses her to bolster his own self esteem and world view of himself

But when she does not "get with his program" he gets very angry with her. He does not want to see an unhappy or bitchy dd. He wants a happy smiling pretty little girl he can show off. He has no interest in her inner emotions or feelings. She is not to complain or whine. She is to be happy all the time, because he is "perfect dad" and that is the kind of daughter that "perfect dad" has.

So she does have value to him, on those terms.

When we lived together, every disagreement was a war for him to win. There was no coming to mutual terms, or trying to see the other persons point of view. It was only him trying to scream his point of view into my head. Over and over and over. And he would not even take in anything that I would try to say, he did not hear it at all.

The coldness that he views the human race with is scary. The absence of any emotions at all when 9/11 happened and the towers fell, the absence of feeling when others lose a child or a loved one. The fact that when his own mother was dying, he did not even get out of bed to go see her.

Mine was actually diagnosed with sociopathic tendencies, but it is very hard to get a professional diagnosis as they never think anything is wrong with them. They don't understand why the rest of the world is so weak and will put themselves on the line for other humans. I tricked him into getting counseling.

When we were watching the Titanic, his words when the ship was sinking was he would only be taking care of himself, he would be the first off the boat. I truly believed him. He would have left me and dd to fend for ourselves.

He only showed chivalry when it would benefit him, to look good in front of others, because his whole life is a farce and a show.

He does know the right words to say when something bad happens, but if you look in his eyes, there is no feelings behind the words.

He just doesn't get it. At all.

And....from what I have read about APD (antisocial personality disorder, which is how sociopathy is described in the DSM-V), is that a sociopathic individual will tend to seek out those that have inner strength and compassion, as those are traits they do have, and so they either want to feed off of yours, or knock you down to get rid of your inner strength so they don't have to feel bad that others have something they do not.

[This message edited by NaiveAgain at 10:48 AM, September 9th (Thursday)]

Original WS D-Day July 10, 2008. Kept lying, he is gone.
New WS (2 EA's, no PA) 12-3-13
If you don't like where you are, then change it. You are not a tree.

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somer222 ( member #21377) posted at 9:09 AM on Saturday, September 11th, 2010

NaiveAgain,

Your words sent chills down my spine! You have nailed this down to a "t".

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romanticidiot ( member #28655) posted at 12:39 PM on Saturday, September 11th, 2010

every disagreement was a war for him to win. There was no coming to mutual terms, or trying to see the other persons point of view. It was only him trying to scream his point of view into my head. Over and over and over. And he would not even take in anything that I would try to say, he did not hear it at all.

Chills running down my spine...

"When you're going through Hell, keep going." -Churchill

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 ThoughtIKnewYa (original poster member #18449) posted at 1:20 AM on Sunday, September 12th, 2010

bumping for new members tonight.

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capri ( member #14940) posted at 1:28 AM on Sunday, September 12th, 2010

a sociopathic individual will tend to seek out those that have inner strength and compassion, as those are traits they do have, and so they either want to feed off of yours, or knock you down to get rid of your inner strength so they don't have to feel bad that others have something they do not.

Early on, before we were married, wh commented on how strong he perceived me to be. I have long felt that what attracted him is also what he hates, and that he actively seeks to grind me down and make sure I'm just as weak as him.

Too bad for him, God's standing right at my back.

Me: free of the secrets and lies!!!
Divorced 10/2011

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