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 allmylife (original poster new member #29506) posted at 4:01 AM on Tuesday, September 7th, 2010

Since DDay#2 in 10/09 and trying R, BH has felt that I have not given my all and have not made the changes that he expected me to make in order for our M to work. This led to many, many screaming matches and eventually to him moving out in 6/10. We did not have the funds to run two households, so I stayed in the house with the kids and kept running the household with both of our paychecks coming in. BH took a loan from his 401K to live on during the S. So the money is gone and the lease is not being renewed at the end of September.

Our options now are: 1. End the marriage because we are nowhere near where we need to be to be happy. 2. BH stays with a friend until we make a decision about the future. 3. BH moves back in and we fight like hell for R and do not give up this time!!!

The hardest part of this is that I know that I want him back for good. BH doesn't know because he thinks that things will not get better if we are living together. He has lost hope in us. Is there any way for him to get that back or is that it for us? Has anyone had any experience with un-separating?

Me FWW-35
Him BH-34
DD#1-5/09
DD#2-10/09
Separated 6/10....trying for R really hard.
Married 12 years
DD-7 DS-5

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143ANF ( member #22730) posted at 4:11 PM on Tuesday, September 7th, 2010

I wish I had some answers for you but unfortunately I do not as my situation was different. You have been heard.

Good luck to you.

Me: BS 49
FWXH 45
Divorced 05/20/2010
Last D-Day and the end 09/29/2015

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uncertainone ( member #28108) posted at 4:20 PM on Tuesday, September 7th, 2010

(((allmylife)))

He has lost hope in us. Is there any way for him to get that back or is that it for us

You don't lose hope. As long as the sun rises and you awake, there is hope. Keep it alive and work on healing and growing.

It may be too late for your marriage but it is never too late for you.

Hopefully your husband will see the effort and the steps you're taking to ensure you don't ever make such a distructive choice and you'll do everything in your power to help him heal.

One thing about hope coupled with action...very powerful and can be contagious.

Me: 37

'til the roof comes off. 'til the lights go out. 'til my legs give out, can't shut my mouth

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survivor girl ( member #21552) posted at 4:55 PM on Tuesday, September 7th, 2010

allmylife,

I echo uncertainone---hope must stay alive.

If you alone need to carry and nurture that hope for your marriage right now, then do it.

Sometimes one partner becomes so weary, so worn and defeated that hope is lost on them for a time......as long as its spark is somewhere, all is not lost.

What are the changes that your BH asked you to make?

Have you now completed them?

Hugs to you

FWW

SAB survivor

"Our doubts are traitors,
And make us lose the good we oft might win
By fearing to attempt." --Shakespeare

"Just DO it" ---Nike

D-Day March 2006

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inabadplace ( member #15721) posted at 8:49 PM on Tuesday, September 7th, 2010

Allmylife:

I’d like to offer my perspective as a BH, mostly because I can see where your BH and I might be in a similar situation: waiting for our FWS to become someone we can love and respect again, and wishing we could avoid such a devastating loss to our children.

There are, of course, limits to what you are expected to put up with after d-day, physical abuse being one absolute on the list. But your description of “screaming matches” puzzles me. One of the things that damaged the options for my FWW and I even further after d-day, and made the road longer and harder, was her defense of herself and her behavior. I can’t say that I agree that a WS should endure limitless name calling after d-day. I really didn’t participate in that. Even in the face of some really cruel statements from my FWW (for which she still hasn’t apologized), I knew where I stood and had done enough research that I knew where her mind was, so I just bit my tongue…very hard. But I can certainly understand why a BS, having been hurt so badly by the person they loved most in the world, would say such things. I guess if I wanted to scream at my FWW when I discovered her As, I would expect her to just sit and take it rather than engage me in a “screaming match”. For there is no possible defense for the level of betrayal inflicted by a WS on their BS. However much it may have hurt to hear some of the things your husband may have said to you in the aftermath, don’t forget that the pain he felt from your betrayal was thousands of times worse. So even if one should expect the angry words from a BS to subside after a reasonable amount of time, defending yourself in the form of screaming back may have made R harder.

I guess, for me, there are a number of things I need my FWW to do in order to R. Several of them were made clear in the early days after the multiple d-days, and she has either forgotten them, is not strong enough to do them, or chooses to deny I mentioned them (I don’t suggest this path). But more than specific tasks, what I personally need involves acts and behavior that makes it clear that she has arrived at the “wtf was I thinking” stage. We want to know that you are going to face your behavior head on without any blame shifting (at all) or sugar coating. You can say all the wonderful things you want, and you should, but until the words are backed up with real, concrete actions and behavior that make it clear that you value your BH immeasurably more than the A or the OM, it won’t make a significant difference. In other words, talk really IS cheap. After being betrayed at such a level, especially multiple times, we wonder why we should invest more time in someone who places such a low value on our feelings. I suspect your chances would improve significantly if you were to be proactive in doing whatever may help your BH regain respect in you and your decisions. This may include discussing whether you should tell the OM’s BS (and follow through with whatever he feels is appropriate, regardless of how hard it may be), avoid FB like the plague, disassociate with anyone who may have helped you deceive your BH, etc. Also, if you must be told what you need to do, it greatly cheapens the act itself. We want you to put yourself in our shoes, and do whatever is necessary to help us heal from what you’ve done to us. It shows us that you recognize how badly you hurt us, and understand what it’s going to take to recover.

Another thing that makes it hard for me to consider R is that my FWW seems incapable of becoming completely vulnerable to me. She seems to be ever-vigilant of my leaving, and this behavior may be the very thing that causes me to leave. It seems like she is protecting herself from being rejected, and therefore cannot fall completely into our relationship. What you must remember is that your BH feels that you threw him away (aka rejected him), and it’s up to you to open yourself wide to him, throwing all caution to the wind, and remain that way until he either comes back in or walks away.

I hope this helps. And I hope your family can recover.

Me - FBS 40's
Her - FWW 40's
2 D-days
Married "a long time"
Two children
R'd for my kids, and I had serious doubts of success.

Updated to show that there is sometimes hope.

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 allmylife (original poster new member #29506) posted at 10:23 PM on Tuesday, September 7th, 2010

Thank you all for your insight. During our R since 10/09 by BH has asked for many changes in me, some of which are as follows: not be so negative about everything, lose weight, follow through with what I say I am going to do, show him that I appreciate him, etc.

I have to admit that I had a lot of bitter feelings about how my BH was before the A. He was never around, did his own thing, I was basically a single mom with our kids. No excuses here, but part of that is what led to the A. I couldn't let go of those bitter feelings and was having a hard time "catering" to his needs. I guess I realized once he left that I was so wrong. I was pushing him away and now I was alone. Since then I have been working really hard in IC to make those changes. I used to hate myself and now I really like the real me. I have now put the past in the past. It doesn't matter what happened before the A, I just care about the present and our future. I have let my guard down and poured my heart out to my BH day after day. I am having a hard time with the weight loss, but I am working on it. The problem is that even though BH has seen the changes, he doesn't believe they are for good. He is convinced that things will go down hill once he moves back home. He has been so negative lately that it justs makes me wonder what our future holds. We have another MC session tonight and I hope that we make a little more progress with her. It is hard to continue to be so hopeful when BH is so hopeless. He says that he is more upset about how our R has been going than about the A. I find it hard to believe because he has so many triggers and bad days. Who am I to say that I even have a clue anymore? Well, thanks for listening.

Me FWW-35
Him BH-34
DD#1-5/09
DD#2-10/09
Separated 6/10....trying for R really hard.
Married 12 years
DD-7 DS-5

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njgal480 ( member #24938) posted at 10:37 PM on Tuesday, September 7th, 2010

My husband and I reconciled after a 6 month seperation.

We actually started seeing each other about 3 months post d-day.

What changed my mind? well...he was extremely remorseful.. told me that every day in letters and emails. He also told me over and over how much he loved me and how much he wanted to save the marriage.

He also went NC immediately and never broke it....and he went to IC...at first 2x per week for 6 months..he also got sober, went to AA...

in other words he changed a ton of things about himself!

And... he was completely transparent even when we were living apart... he would share all of his cell phone bills, credit card bills, email passwords...etc.

He began slowly to 'court' me again... no pressure but going out for coffee,linch etc.

And... he was willing to do all of this while I was having a complete breakdown! I would scream and rant and cry... and he would not give up on me....

We are now 3 and 1/2 yrs post d-day...and R is going well.

Me- BS
Him- WH
Long term marriage
D-day- Jan. 2007
5 yr. LTA
Reconciled.

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