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 tonati (original poster member #36639) posted at 5:12 AM on Wednesday, January 30th, 2013

Sigh ... been a few months since I posted here, last time being in the reconciliation and general forums which will give people a quick idea of what happened. After trying very hard for 5 months to reconcile with this woman I had enough. I should have listened to peoples advice earlier. My STBXW is the very first person I've seen banned (and quite publicly so) on these forums since I joined half a year ago. For all those people who messaged me condolences for being married to this person, thank you and you were right.

There is just something so fundamental she doesn't get that it goes beyond any fog issues. I have told her very clearly that I am done. Done done. I will talk to her about our kids and the resulting shared finances and I will be polite at public events in which we are force to intermingle, but that is it. I told her she is not who I thought she were for all these years, that she is not a good person and not someone I want to associate with any longer.

But I keep getting crap like this:

" I still love you very much and I know you love me. I don't want to get back together, but we are not only losing a spouse this way, but we are both losing our best friend. I know that you have to go through your phases of healing and that this is certainly the "angry" phase. I know it will be intense, but I hope that some day you will be able to move past this phase. If there is something that I can do at any time to help you move past this phase, please let me know. I will try to back off and give you your space. But I don't want to just drop out all together, because that is the "Easy" way out and not being there for you. I know you will claim that you don't want or need me to be there for you, but it is my doing, and I should be there for you."

To me it seems she misunderstands the "angry" phase the books are talking about. I did go through this phase when trying to reconcile, being angry at the hurt and the betrayal etc. But this anger directed towards who you still consider your spouse and your life partner is very different. I was angry then because she had severely damaged our relationship. I still loved her and wished for us to remain, and I was angry at the roadblocks she had put up.

Now, my mentality has changed. The anger has subsided quite a bit and more importantly, I'm not angry for the same reasons. I'm angry that she made me jump through the hoops of this fake reconciliation for half a year, I'm angry at how she managed to deceive me about who she really was for so long and I'm aggravated that she doesn't GET this. I'm no longer angry at the affair. We are over and done.

I don't get the logic here. She recognizes she did the damage, and so she wants to help fix it? That really only works if you converted to the same team somewhere along the way. If you remain the same asshole that did the damage, then who in their right minds would trust that person to help? It's like the al-Qaeda mortaring a US base, showing up at the door the next day to help repair the damage, and going back to their cave that evening to plan the next attack.

Is this just me being strange or did any of you eventually return to being "best friends", or even just simply friends, with the person who betrayed you? If yes, why and how?

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CharlieFoxtrot ( member #38010) posted at 5:24 AM on Wednesday, January 30th, 2013

That really only works if you converted to the same team somewhere along the way

Agreed! No, STBX and I are not friends, and no, he does not have access to my emotions. None. Not even the anger. It is infuriating that someone hurts you and tells you how you're supposed to bleed. Welcome to the club you didn't want to join, we understand!

Weeping may endure for a night, but joy cometh in the morning.

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SBB ( member #35229) posted at 5:35 AM on Wednesday, January 30th, 2013

If you remain the same asshole that did the damage, then who in their right minds would trust that person to help?

Amen - the betrayals beyond infidelity are the worst and do the most damage.

Complete disregard for what you want/need in the aftermath just as during your M.

How fucking condescending. I don't think they understand just how dead to us they become. After all many of them 'loved' us during their abuse.

I have enemies who are better friends to me than that.

It is infuriating that someone hurts you and tells you how you're supposed to bleed.

EXACTLY!!

I may have reached a point where I'd piss on him if he was on fire.... eventually!!

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phmh ( member #34146) posted at 11:07 AM on Wednesday, January 30th, 2013

When XWH and I were splitting up, I had grand plans to stay friends.

But then I realized how great NC from his dysfunction felt. And as I healed, I realized, who would want a friend like that? An A is terrible emotional abuse, and I wouldn't stay friends with someone who inflicted half the pain of an A on me.

I've mostly reached indifference now. There is no room for that kind of person in my life. I've worked hard to only include wonderful, positive people in my new beginning, and that does not include XWH.

Welcome down here. You'll find yourself healing and finding more happiness every day (though it certainly isn't linear!)

Me: BW, divorced, now fabulous and happy!

Married: 11 years, no kids

Character is destiny

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hank9898 ( member #35405) posted at 2:17 PM on Wednesday, January 30th, 2013

I will be interested in seeing the responses to this topic tonati.

Per the standard playbook, my WW has asked to be open to communication. She even wanted to "share" certain items (four wheelers, camping gear and fishing gear).

She even asked me to look at this as a "sabbatical from our marriage"

Fuck.That.Shit

Told her if she wanted those things, take them. There will be no sharing.

At this point, I feel that once this D is signed, she's dead to me.

Maybe that's still anger talking and I will review it in IC. But damnit, she F'n hurt me pretty bad.

Don't know that I ever want to associate with someone that imploded my reality to this extent....

[This message edited by hank9898 at 8:18 AM, January 30th (Wednesday)]

Me - BH (46)
Two great kids
Son (20) US Army
Daughter (18) College student

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lost4now ( member #21634) posted at 3:20 PM on Wednesday, January 30th, 2013

My STBXH wants to remain friends as well. Maybe somewhere down this long road I will feel differently, but right now, I don't see that happening. I too was subjected to jumping thru the hoops of R...not once or twice....but FIVE times! Only to find out that he was continuing the hurt, lying and cheating his way thru R. Marriage for 1....reconciliation for 1! He doesn't understand it. To him he has apologized and he should be forgiven and I should heal. Easy as that.

It is extremely hard to accept friendship from someone who so easily sacrifices your feelings and friendship for their own selfish needs!

BS - ME 43
WH 44
Married 20 years
DDay #1 12/28/07
DDay #2 9/18/08
DDay #3 12/28/08
Dday #4 11/18/10 (same OW)
Dday #5 8/22/12 (same OW)
2 beautiful daughters
"Love grows where it is nurtured and dies where it is not!"

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KeepOnMovin ( member #38245) posted at 3:27 PM on Wednesday, January 30th, 2013

tonati

Welcome to the forum. I'm sorry you're here...

My STBXW has been telling me the same thing. Even since the day she moved out. She said, "There will always be a place in my heart for you." Also told me we absolutely must remain friends for the sake of the kids.

I told her that she's not my friend and that a friend wouldn't do that to a friend (what she did to me). All i got was the puppy dog eyes.

Like some of the other posters, i had gotten over the sting and anger of the affairs, but i admit the years of betrayal still have me hung up a bit. I left the anger stage (with respect to the affairs) a long time ago. But i have some anger seeing the fallout effect on my kids.

Doesn't help that STBXW takes no accountability and justifies the affairs and leaving the marriage because of EVERY SINGLE THING I've ever done for the life of the marriage. Even things as minor as me re-ironing a shirt she ironed for me 20 years ago! (i did this behind her back, because i didn't want to hurt her feelings)

So, yeah. this stuff is so confusing.

Me: Creating a better life for myself
Her: Somebody else's problem
Married: 22 years
2 sons at home
1 son in college
Divorced on 9/4/14!
Often it's the deepest pain which empowers you to grow into your highest self.

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