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Since the Manager's wife didn't mind letting YOU KNOW she was aware that your WH and the OW-co-worker shared a room during this out of town Audit:

I'd call this Manager's wife and ask her point blank:

HOW DID SHE KNOW about this sleeping arrangement between your WH and this OW? Is she aware that this was an HR/COMPANY REQUIREMENT that your WH share a room to save the Company money?

Personally - I believe your husband is telling you a pack of LIES: I traveled for year with my previous job; and I can't believe any Company would require a male and female employee to share a hotel room to save money; or for any other reason.

Jessb, how are you doing?

Also wondering how you are doing and I hope that you will check in with us...

1) I don't buy his story for a second. He didn't flirt with this woman at all, and she just decided all on her own to hop into bed with him in the middle of the night?

2) NO COMPANY EVER requires coworkers to share a bedroom like that. Two men, yes. Two women, yes. But I have never ever heard of such a thing, and I also don't believe that for a second. I'm sorry, but there is no way in the entire world that this wasn't planned.

3) If he didn't enjoy the sex, he wouldn't have done it A SECOND time with her in the same evening after it happened the first time. Or in the shower in the morning. Or three more times that day. Or the next morning before the airport. He is refusing to answer your questions and be open and honest.

4) How is he still comfortable working with a woman that practically raped him in the middle of the night AND for a company that forced him to share a room with her in the first place?

I'm sorry, but there is no way I would accept his story at face value. He is not being honest with you about what happened and how it happened.

Further, I would INSIST that the both of you get tested for STI's.

I would insist on setting up a meeting with the manager and HR at your H's company to get some clarification about this room thing. I really can't imagine he is being honest with you about this.

Please take care of yourself.

First, hugs to you. I am so sorry for what your husband has done and is continuing to do by lying to you.

Second, while I agree with most of what has been said by the previous posters, I have to add that as far as "setting up a meeting" with HR or whomever at Jessb's WH's company, I don't see it happening. In my 30 years of work experience, employers only deal with the employee. Families have no right or business having "meetings" with the company. In this instance that is really unfortunate, but the truth of the matter is, issues within the company are considered just that. The usual stance is "Mr./Mrs./Ms. is our employee and you are not. Therefore there will be no meeting on this or any other subject pertaining to Mr./Mrs./Ms. employment"

Thank you to everyone for the advice and words of encouragement. Deep down I knew his story didn’t add up, but I really wanted to believe he was telling me the truth. I don't know where the time has gone over the last few days.

I had coffee with his manager’s wife yesterday to find out what else she knew…I’m amazed that this woman, who doesn’t even work at the company, knows all the office gossip. She mentioned “sharing a room” as her way of telling me about my husband’s cheating without actually coming out and telling me; she thought it would be better to have him come clean to me instead of me hearing it from someone else. I told her his version of being asked to share a room with Emily…she rolled her eyes and had a good laugh.

The manager’s wife told me what she heard from the receptionist. Apparently Emily told her close friend at work (some close friend to spread word of an affair) about their encounters and the friend told the receptionist. They didn’t share a room; they happened to have rooms next to each other with adjoining doors. According to Emily’s version of events…they had an early dinner with the client, she suggested they have drinks at the hotel bar since it was too early to go to bed, they got a little more than tipsy, things got flirty and she kissed him. My husband got nervous, said they better go up and they went to their separate rooms. After going up, she knocked on the adjoining door and they ended up having sex. They had sex again in the morning, that night and in the morning before leaving to come home.

I thanked her for tipping me off and telling me what she heard. She suggested I kick him out and lawyer up, but I said I couldn’t make any rash decisions. Honestly, it didn’t hurt as much as I expected it to…guess I’m just that numb at this point.

Last night, I told my husband what his manager’s wife had told me about adjoining rooms and that he wasn’t telling me the truth. I didn’t mention a word of what she said Emily said, wanted to see what kind of lies he would tell me this time…

Surprisingly, he didn’t have a panic attack. He just sighed deeply and said he made up a story to lessen the damage. He really thought I would never find out and he sincerely meant it would never happen again.

According to his new version of events and I’m hoping it’s the real truth…they were drinking in the hotel bar after dinner, things got very flirty and she kissed him on the cheek very close to his lips. He was thrown off and said they better go up. When he got to his room, he said he was very aroused/worked up when she knocked on the adjoining door…they ended up having sex two times. She didn’t stay afterward, picked up her clothes and went back to her room and closed the door behind her; said he just rolled over and fell asleep. He woke up, went into the shower and she ended up joining him. He said she heard the shower come on from her room and decided to join him, he didn’t try to turn her away.

They went to work normally, drank at the bar again that night and went up to his room together and had sex several more times. She didn’t leave that night and they showered together in the morning. He said when they landed, he told her it was an isolated incident and wasn’t going to carry on…he just let himself get caught up in the sex. She said she understood and it would be their secret. I can’t believe this stupid bitch went and told her coworker/friend. If she seriously didn’t want or expect anything from my husband if it really was an isolated incident, why wouldn’t she just keep it to herself?

I don’t want to out either one of them at work, but I need to talk to her to find out the truth and what was she thinking sleeping with someone much older than her. I don’t believe she just wandered back into his room to shower in the morning. I do believe he told her it wasn’t going to happen again.

At this point, I’m going to enter individual counseling and he said he would do the same. He actually brought up couples counseling before I did. He said he’s going to call me several times a day from work, he’ll let me know if he has to work late and who will be in the office with him, and he’ll let me check his emails and cell phone.

I just want to know how he could jump into bed so easily with her. I don’t get it.

employers only deal with the employee.

Agreed. Rest assured this is exactly why the manager's wife "innocently" brought it up in conversation. Not only was it grating on her, but it was also grating on the manager who was disgusted enough to go home and tell his wife all about it.

I don’t want to out either one of them at work

Sounds as if *they* are the worst kept secret at the company. I doubt that you have to worry about *outing* anything....sounds as if everyone already knows.

He woke up, went into the shower and she ended up joining him. He said she heard the shower come on from her room and decided to join him

IMHO, he is *still* feeding you a line of bullshit.

Please don't contact the OW for answers in this situation. I think it'll backfire on you and make the situation much worse than it already is.....

Jess, I want to start by saying how sorry i am that you're going through this but I'm glad you got answers. I was typing my last post as you were posting yours so I didn't see it yet until I posted mine. That said, it just goes to show how clear a situation can be when you're an outsider looking in. As far as talking to Emily - don't bother. You're going to actually trust a woman who knowingly had sex with a married man 7 times? Emily has mental health issues. There's women and men like her everywhere - it's all a big game to them and they don't care who's left in agony in the wake of the destruction they've caused. Unfortunately, your husband was stupid and weak enough to get sucked into her game. I give you major credit for letting him stay in the house on just the promise that he won't do it again. One thing is for sure - do NOT have sex with your husband until he's gone through a gamut of STD testing. Even if his tests come back clean, you should make him wear a condom for AT LEAST 6 months. This was his mistake and you should not have to suffer any further ugliness due to his indiscretions. Please keep visiting this site and use it as a sounding board to vent your emotions. There are a lot of people here who have a wealth of experience, advice, and compassion because they've either been where you are now or are going through it at this very moment.

Please put your own healing before anything or anybody right now and know that you have options - you don't have to stay and you also don't have to call it quits. Please know that you have a community of supporters standing behind you as you try to make sense of this horrible mess.

P.S. This line in your original post really bothered me considering he acted like nothing happened when he returned home and "thought you'd never find out":

They didn't use protection so he's going to get tested; 

How very generous of him to agree to that (that's sarcasm btw). One worthwhile question you should ask him is whether or not he planned on getting tested before having sex with you again even if you NEVER found out. Frankly, he doesn't know what Emily has between her legs and it seems pretty stupid, selfish, and reckless of him to have unprotected sex with her and only make an appointment to get tested once he's caught.

Don't you just wonder how they could be so stupid?? According to my high school sex ed teacher, he just had sex with everyone else she ever had sex with. And she sounds like the loose type, so who knows what she could have! And what about a possible pregnancy?? Way to not think of any consequences, dude..

Honestly, I'm getting the suspicion that they've been flirting/messing around/whatever at the office for a while. I'm SOOOO glad the manager's wife told you. What an angel, and so tactfully. I think that is how I would want to let someone know. Give them enough information for the betrayed spouse to get some evidence on their own..

I agree to NOT talk to OW. I think most of us do it at some point, but really, it's so not worth it, and OMG do I regret it. If the OW had absolutely no idea he was married, was completely lied to, and now is really pissed the guy led her on, then maybe you could talk to the OW and get some truthful answers. This is a cold-hearted bitch, and there are so many things she will likely do besides humbly telling you the truth.

And he probably lied to both of you, so she only knows his version of your marriage, and who knows what he told her. She could make you feel naive about your own marriage (yeah, I felt more naive after talking to her) . She probably feels like hot shit having bagged a married man. She could brag and make you feel terrible. She could tell you horrible things to make you pissed at your WH so she can have more time with him and feel justified for what she did. Ignoring her is so the right thing to do here.

And he needs a new job. Like yesterday. They already made some sort of pact to be discrete and keep it a secret, and you need to get them as far away from each other as possible.

Hugs..

Jess, I am a traveling auditor and no way would a company require auditors to room with opposite sex for cost reasons.

He is lying - big time .

I am sorry you are here. Tell him you will talk to his boss if he is not going to tell the full truth. He will try to lie until he can lie no more....

Sending lots of hugs and strength to you.

I am so glad you came back and updated us. We are here to support you....always.

Why didn't he lock the door between their rooms? It can be locked from either side. So what if she heard the shower, door locked no access!

She told the co-worker and it got around the office because she wanted everyone to know. She wanted you to find out what is going on. Don't contact her, you would only be playing into her game. She is devious and to be avoided. (this by no means absolves your WS of his accountable for his half of this mess).

As for WS, he needs to work his butt off making you feel secure. No rug-sweeping. If you need to ask the same questions over and over and for months, well if that is what you need to heal he needs to answer, without whining or pity for him. Also no holding back saying he is protecting you. NO, he would be protecting himself, and perhaps OW.

Thank you for the update, but I think there is more to the story when it comes to his indiscretions. Bravo to the manager's wife.

According to his new version of events and I’m hoping it’s the real truth

In my opinion, it's not. They got flirty/drunk.."she" kissed him and he said they better go upstairs? He makes it sound like he was trying to put a stop to it but then his subsequent actions don't validate that. And they just happened to have adjoining rooms...coincidence? I'm not getting it.

Gently...this to me smacks of pre-planning and "going upstairs" was all part of it. Don't let your husband try to minimize. It may not matter to you, but I think this was all planned, not some booze fueled one-off tryst. Be diligent - sounds like he was in an A, and may still be in it.

((Jess))

(((Jess)))

I would love to tell you that you have the entire truth now, but you don't. You have only scratched the surface. I know this from recent experience with Trickle Truth. She couldn't have gotten into his room if the adjoining door was shut from his side. He had to have left it open for her or let her in.

I'm so sorry. They trickle truth thinking it hurts us less. They couldn't be more incorrect.

Huge hugs to you and keep posting and coming here. This place is a life saver. You are correct in not making rash decisions, but make sure you make smart ones. Find out if he used protection. If not, make yourself a doctors appointment. Also, a consult with an attorney isn't a bad idea. You don't have to file, but it's good to get an idea of what you need. Simple truth is you don't know how big this will get once it all comes out.

Sweety, it's not this woman's fault that your husband had an affair, it's his! He opened the door, he let her in, he had sex with her, he showered and apparently left the adjoining door unlocked so she could waltz right into his shower, he chose to have sex with her repeatedly during this 3 day period, he chose to have sex with her even while stone sober. This woman didn't rape him, she was just the vessel that he ended up with. Was she wrong to kiss him, absolutely! But was he wrong to accept her advances? You bet your life he was!

You'll never find peace if you look to the OW, she won't be able to give you a reason that is acceptable as to why she made advances on your H. It will never make sense, and it will never change anything. The work needs to be done with yourself and your H.

Your H didn't tell you because he thought you wouldn't find out. And I would bet a million dollars that he would have done it again at the next trip if you didn't find out about it beforehand. So whether he said it was a one time thing or not is really moot, it really only matters if he meant it and that you will never really know.

I hope you get tested for STD's very soon, and your H does as well. There are SOOO many things that can be transmitted even if condoms are used, but anything goes if they weren't and it sounds like they weren't. I wouldn't touch that man for 6 months until the 2nd HIV screen comes back negative, and even then he could still be a carrier of HPV which causes cervical cancer in women for years and years after exposure. It also causes throat cancer in men, so he better watch any bumps he gets on his throat or in his mouth from now on.

I’ve been pressing and pressing him and he finally broke; when will this nightmare end?

It was a physical affair that started in June. They’ve been on three work trips together alone (he never mentioned she was going on the other two trips), they would go to sleazy motels during lunch hours, he told me was golfing on Saturday mornings…turned out he was at her place instead. He maintains it was only a physical relationship…he didn’t want to jeopardize our marriage and she didn’t want to ruin things with her fiancé.

It didn’t end when he came “clean”; they were let out for work early on Wednesday and he went to her place. This man had his dick inside her and 20 minutes later was kissing me, asking if he could help with anything for Thanksgiving. What kind of person am I married to?

I’m going to my in-laws this afternoon; don’t know how I’ll find it in me to pretend everything is fine.

Happy Thanksgiving everyone.

Oh, Jess! I'm so sorry.

I would refuse to go to the in-laws until he writes an NC letter, you approve the letter, and he mails it in front of you.

There's lots of info on SI about what to include in an NC letter. It says: I don't want to communicate with you in any way ever again. It was important for me to say that their relationship was wrong, that he had told me everything, and that he completely regretted ever meeting her.

Then WH needs to block her numbers, close their secret accounts, get off social media--enforce no contact by all means.

No Contact or no pretend happy family thanksgiving.

Why do you have to go to the inlaws?

You shouldn't have to subject yourself to pretending things are fine unless you really want to..

What kind of woman screws another man and is afraid she will ruin things with her fiancee..Hmmm, sounds like she should be outed to her fiancee, so he can know what kind of trash he is engaged to

Utterly despicable for your WH to have have had sex with her and then a few minutes later he is home kissing you...These WS and their cake eating fantasies are just ridiculous

Sending you strength..

P.S.

Please remember that you can tell your WH that you would rather stay home or go somewhere else for the afternoon..

[This message edited by doggiediva at 12:46 PM, November 28th (Thursday)]