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 FrostedSoul (original poster member #50839) posted at 5:41 PM on Wednesday, April 19th, 2017

MalibuBayBreeze,

Pain shopping also is like a wake up call to myself to face what my WH has done. To believe that what seems unreal is unfortunately all too real.

That comes across as a "positive" to me. Like you're saying there is a useful purpose to it [which I don't disagree with].

I didn't intend to suggest that you were telling anyone to go on a pain shopping spree; I was trying to point out that no one ever tells anyone to go on one because the connotation to the phrase is that it's an unhealthy, bad thing to do that one should stop doing immediately.

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DDay #1 May 13/13 (Mother's Day)
False R
TT to DDay #2 Dec 10/15
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sisoon ( Moderator #31240) posted at 6:47 PM on Wednesday, April 19th, 2017

IMO, the Drama Triangle explains this. (Search the web or see karpmandramatriangle.com - citation OKed by mods.) Taking on the Victim role and not letting it go is the best description of pain shopping that I can think of.

In a DT, the Victim focuses his (or her) mind on feeling angry or scared or sad. When that stops working, a Victim often looks for other reasons to feel bad - that is, a Victim shops for pain.

The purpose of a DT seems to be to avoid confronting and feeling real emotions. The only way out of it that I know is from my own experience and from my own therapy.

1) I notice that I am feeling bad and seem to keep my mind spinning on feeling bad.

2) I ask and answer the question, 'What am I feeling?' The only acceptable answer is mad, sad, scared, or ashamed.

3) I let the feeling flow.

Feelings come and go pretty quickly. IIRC, usually they pass in seconds, but I don't remember what the research says about how long they can last. So one sign of being in a DT is that you're going on for hours. (Of course, I can even stretch a DT across days.)

I believe feelings after d-day (maybe after any trauma) can last for hours at a time, though I have no proof. In any case, duration of feeling bad may indicate pain shopping, but it's not definitive, especially in the early days.

After being betrayed, I expect it's almost impossible to avoid all DTs, but I also know from experience that they can be stopped by conscious effort when they're recognized.

When I was a new BS, and even now, one of the reasons I read SI was to help me get in touch with my grief, anger, fear, or shame. That's because I believe feelings are either felt or stored, and I don't want to store them. That works pretty well.

Equally important, being with fellow BSes helped me assuage the pain. We were all brother and sisters, and the 'older' ones (i.e. members with d-days that weren't as new as mine) showed us the way to heal.

Sometimes, though, I trigger badly, especially on over-generalizations, bad statistics, and disrespect toward SIers in R. When that happens, I get into a DT, and it's a challenge to respond with love. In fact, sometimes when I trigger badly, it's a challenge to stay within SI guidelines.

(Hmmm..iIt's taken me 6+ years to be able to put that into words.... Sorry, mods.)

In any case, I think it's accurate to say:

if you do something to confirm feeling horrible, you're probably pain shopping;

if you do something to get in touch with your own pain so you can feel it and let it go, you're probably not;

if you do something to help you through the pain and that something works pretty quickly, you're probably not.

Remember, though, being betrayed brings with it immense pain, much more than anyone can imagine, so if you think you're 'pain shopping', I'd be biased towards 'You're not.'

[This message edited by sisoon at 12:52 PM, April 19th (Wednesday)]

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violethour ( new member #58136) posted at 9:03 PM on Wednesday, April 19th, 2017

This phrase is dismissive and victim-blaming and I don't think it should be used here. No one chooses to be in pain. No one "pain shops" the WS caused the pain by what they did, period.

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barcher144 ( member #54935) posted at 9:16 PM on Wednesday, April 19th, 2017

Maybe I'm reading this the wrong way, but I don't think I put a positive spin on pain shopping

I thought MBB's description was neither positive nor negative. She was simply describing it in a neutral way.

This phrase is dismissive and victim-blaming and I don't think it should be used here. No one chooses to be in pain. No one "pain shops" the WS caused the pain by what they did, period.

I disagree with this, although very politely.

I do a lot of pain shopping on any topic. I do it when my favorite football team loses, for example.

I do it a lot with my marriage, although not as much lately. I still have transcripts of messages between my wife and her AP from 2010 and I will read them. I don't learn anything new and it causes me pain.

Sometimes, I think that painshopping can be helpful but it usually isn't. It can help me get over it. Sometimes, though, it is simply me hurting myself in a very unhealthy way.

Now that I think about it, I don't think that I have done any painshopping since my anti-depressants kicked in. What does that say about painshopping for me? I don't hate myself anymore and I have stopped. Ugh. Maybe painshopping is worse than I think.

Anyway, I don't think people use the term in a negative way, or at least I haven't seen that. It's been more like "MBB, you are just painshopping... it's not helping you." I don't mean to give MBB a 2x4 when I say that... I reminder her, in very few words, that she is self-inflicting pain.

p.s. I use MBB as an example in the above paragraph. I don't think that I have ever said anything like that to her (although I might have).

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PuckQueen ( member #52517) posted at 9:20 PM on Wednesday, April 19th, 2017

Haha, read my post why do I care?

That's pain shopping.

I looked up her home for sale and for a virtual tour of my husband's fuck fest

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Husband a FWS 30s
2 kids, we are fully devoted to R.

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sassylee ( member #45766) posted at 10:02 PM on Wednesday, April 19th, 2017

I looked at cOW's house on google earth's street view. Know why? My bruised mind fixated that I am a good person because I recycled - I can't explain it - I'm a good person for many more valid reasons - but cOW didn't seem like someone who had to capacity to care about landfills and the state of the environment. Smh - I was a bit crazy... so I was hoping the google earth car went by on a recycling day so I could see if she had recycling bins out. Well damned if it didn't! Her neighbours had their bins out but nothing in front of OW's - AHA!! I knew it!!! But what do I see parked in the driveway? My minivan - MY MINIVAN!! Painshopping at its finest. I needed the most useless, unhelpful info about this woman...

[This message edited by sassylee at 4:03 PM, April 19th (Wednesday)]

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