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babypuke ( member #56585) posted at 2:13 PM on Monday, July 10th, 2017

Your story is somewhat similar to mine, and the story of many others on the internet, namely my bf/gf wife/husband: 'alcohol','memory loss', 'only 2 persons left in the room', etc.

I know that it drives you crazy, that is because you most likely are being thrown sand in your eyes.

Yes the guy was a friend who stayed behind when all the others left, and he was very friendly, that is what you found out. Oh yeah he stayed behind while all others left?, why was that? Were your wife and him so good friends? I think not, and what people usually do when they are not really good friends but just acquaintances is to leave when all others leave, and/or the host throws them all out at once.

Further, your wife was unclothed, oh yeah?, how did that happen? All by itself? They ended up in the bed together, oh yeah?, how did that happen?

And this all happened 4,5 years ago, and she never told you anything about it? About something this serious? Yeah, she likely says that she feared that you might have D her, well, she should have informed you anyway.

Also, she did not want you to bother with him and his family? Oh yeah?, why is she protecting him?

You likely will never get the truth about what happened, because you simply were not there with them at the time and furthermore cannot verify via objective sources.

Do the STD-tests, inform OBS so that she also knows what has occurred, and yes your wife may have been used but how she acted then and now is shady and it would worry me.

If you want to stay with her and she wants to stay with you, tell her then that it is important to tell the full truth and nothing but the truth, because rebuilding trust is highly important now and she should not underestimate that nor should you.

Strength & good luck

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CincyKid ( member #57948) posted at 2:24 PM on Monday, July 10th, 2017

His poor wife definitely needs to be informed. YOU wouldn't be ruining their marriage, if that ruins it, it would be HIM, the douche bag, that would have ruined it. Best case scenario, he saw your wife black out drunk and raped her. Worst case scenario he still cheated on his wife with a married woman.

Why would you cover for someone like that?

Betrayed, life over...
Life goes on...
Met sunshine girl, fell in love...
Reconnected with wonderful DD...
Married sunshine girl, happy as can be!!!

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Stevesn ( member #58312) posted at 2:33 PM on Monday, July 10th, 2017

While you seem to be focused on the event and whether or not to contact can I ask what steps she is taking to become a safe partner.

For me number 1 would be no more alcohol, ever. If it leads to misery like this she should not want to touch the stuff again ever. Especially when u are not there, but I would go with full abstinence and perhaps some substance abuse counseling.

I assume she is truly Remorseful. If she is not then R is not a possibility.

If she is you will see these characteristics. Do you?

- She would be inconsolable with the thought of how she was the cause of so much pain to the person she loves most in the world.

- she would be begging to know what she could do to make it right.

- for you she would want to let everyone know it was her that screwed up, not you.

- she would want to read books on how to support her BS

- she would be in IC as much as possible to figure out what went wrong with her and how she could do this to the person she loves most in the world

- she would feel your pain more than her own and put your happiness ahead of hers.

- she would give you an open timeline of everything that happened.

- she would write you a letter of apology highlighting how she must have made you feel

- she would focus most on your well being, ignoring her own

- she would realize what the OM really is and start being sick at the thought of him/her. She would start calling him/her names like POS for how he helped her destroy her life.

fBBF. Just before proposing, broke it off after her 2nd confirmed PA in 2 yrs. 9 mo later I met the wonderful woman I have spent the next 30 years with.

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Sharkman ( member #56818) posted at 2:36 PM on Monday, July 10th, 2017

Let's not even touch upon expose to OBS as being the ONLY way you'll be 100% sure of no contact.

This probably wasn't his first rodeo. You have some poor woman out there who could have some STD that she doesn't know about. Undiagnosed, there are some common ones which can literally kill her. How do you think that will impact their family?

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 rivendell74 (original poster new member #59546) posted at 5:22 PM on Monday, July 10th, 2017

While you seem to be focused on the event and whether or not to contact can I ask what steps she is taking to become a safe partner.

For me number 1 would be no more alcohol, ever. If it leads to misery like this she should not want to touch the stuff again ever. Especially when u are not there, but I would go with full abstinence and perhaps some substance abuse counseling.

I assume she is truly Remorseful. If she is not then R is not a possibility. She is truly remorseful I think - as in, she only talks now about shame and breaks down every time I need to talk about it more.

If she is you will see these characteristics. Do you?

- She would be inconsolable with the thought of how she was the cause of so much pain to the person she loves most in the world. Yeah, she is - keeps saying this over and over again, always in like messy, sobbing tears.

- she would be begging to know what she could do to make it right. Yep, and all I keep asking for is the truth about the details and she swears on her life she's telling me everything she remembers.

- for you she would want to let everyone know it was her that screwed up, not you. She says that repeatedly "I can't believe I screwed up like this or I can't stand the shame of this" She still afraid I'm going to leave her... she said so last night.

- she would want to read books on how to support her BS. Interesting - she is great with counseling but books have never come up.

- she would be in IC as much as possible to figure out what went wrong with her and how she could do this to the person she loves most in the world. We are seeing someone together to break the ice and I am seeing someone separately - she is terrified, I think, to remember more than she does. I think she's repressed it and actually does have it in there... but unless she's the best liar and emotional pretender, I do believe she can't right now.

- she would feel your pain more than her own and put your happiness ahead of hers. She is, very much so.

- she would give you an open timeline of everything that happened. She swears she has, all the way to the next morning sitting on the toilet for an hour trying to piece it together sobbing.

- she would write you a letter of apology highlighting how she must have made you feel. We'll see if this happens... she's not a big writer usually.

- she would focus most on your well being, ignoring her own. Yep - for sure this is happening.

- she would realize what the OM really is and start being sick at the thought of him/her. She would start calling him/her names like POS for how he helped her destroy her life. Yeah,

quite a few names have come up for him.

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twisted ( member #8873) posted at 5:45 PM on Monday, July 10th, 2017

She had a group of friends that she trusted over to her hotel room (we both travel full time for work) and after a bunch of tequila and wine, everyone but a friend she thought was safe to hang out with, left.

As babypuke said, this is concerning. Could she have been drugged? Has she asked her other friends what happened? I think they may have some insight. Did the OM just get naked feely touchy then leave? It's possible, but I'm thinking she knows more than she's telling.

"Hey, does this rag smell like chloroform to you?

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 rivendell74 (original poster new member #59546) posted at 5:47 PM on Monday, July 10th, 2017

Here's her whole story. I guess it's sort of therapy to write it down and get it out there, we'll see I guess. Apologies for the graphic nature...

She was out on a tour with a show as an assistant company manager. We now both do something similar out together and have for almost 4 years.

On the tour, she met and got to know a few women and men that were similar to her or otherwise "safe" from her perspective - her very gay manager, her female hair dresser, another woman we both know on props, and then this drummer and his wife and 2 kids, the OM.

One night they and a few others were all hanging out in her room having drinks, as usual after a show. After a while, as people got tired and drunk, they slowly filtered off. She starts to get fuzzy when there were only 4 people left she remembers opening a bottle of wine and having a glass, then it skips. The next thing she remembers is the TV on and she is pretty sure it was then just the two of them at this point. Skips...

She then remembers being topless while on top of him, seems to think she still had pants on at this point. She remembers rolling over, or being rolled over, and that's the end of it.

She woke up naked in her bed, which is odd for her, with no memory at all - then the above came rushing back. That's when she spent an hour in the bathroom sobbing trying to piece it all together. She found no residues, nothing hurt or felt abnormal physically, the sheets didn't appear dirty, but she admits having the whole room cleaned that day - I can understand that. There was no used condom anywhere and nothing on her or around her genitals to suggest there was climax involving penetration.

As to the STD thing - I hear you all and I think we'll be pursuing that. I will say however, that we have never had protected sex, as we can't have children and neither she or I have ever exhibited any signs of any STD - and visually, I would think I would have seen if there were warts or bumps or strange discharges, etc. We have always had a pretty active sex life and know each others bodies extremely well.

When it comes down to it, even though she was potentially so drunk she lost time, the lingering questions to me are those I'll probably never have answers to.

Who initiated contact?

Was she roofied as well?

Was she conscious the whole time or was it "muscle memory" sex - i.e. could she have mistaken it as me in her wasted brain?

The things I'm positive of:

It was the only time - she says after that night, they never even spoke again or had contact on the tour. He retreated back to his family life and she actively avoided contact.

She's shamed and remorseful - I have never seen her cry like this when we talk about it and I'm hurting, begging for answers she says she can't give me. It's actually killing me to see her like this.

I set myself up for finding out this late in the game... Years ago, we had one of those "if one of us ever cheated on the other, would we want to know about it?" - my stupid ass said no, and that gave her the permission she needed to keep it hidden. I was shocked when she actually copped to it when, again, two weeks ago, we were having one of those conversations and I casually dropped the "so, have you?" question - then, massive breakdown, tears, sobbing and the rest is history now :/

She terrified I'll leave her.

She hasn't even told her twin sister (who she tells EVERYTHING to btw...) because she's so shamed by it. She doesn't want to talk to anyone about it but me and a counselor.

[This message edited by rivendell74 at 11:48 AM, July 10th (Monday)]

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CincyKid ( member #57948) posted at 5:52 PM on Monday, July 10th, 2017

This goes beyond infidelity. If what was described is true then this is rape and you HAVE to file charges or he'll rape someone else. At bare minimum his wife should know she's married to a rapist. This all assumes your wife is being truthful.

Betrayed, life over...
Life goes on...
Met sunshine girl, fell in love...
Reconnected with wonderful DD...
Married sunshine girl, happy as can be!!!

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Northsider12 ( member #58789) posted at 5:53 PM on Monday, July 10th, 2017

I'm actually inclined to believe her. She could have taken this to her grave yet she chose to tell you. You would likely never have found out otherwise. I see little gain in it for her to voluntarily bring up the story then hide the details.

Sounds like you are never going to know all the details. Assume the worst case scenario, then ask if you can live with that? You don't need to know all the details if you decide that you can live with the worst case scenario.

Me: BH
Affair: February-August 2003
WW had sexual interactions with a married couple. Claims it didn't get physical, evidence and common sense indicates otherwise. But really, who cares - betrayal is betrayal regardless of its form.
Reconciled

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