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 teslafanboy (original poster new member #61248) posted at 5:44 PM on Wednesday, November 1st, 2017

I discovered my wife of 14 years has been in another relationship for the past 10 years. I learned that the relationship was both physical and emotional, but more emotional control over her. Apparently, he regularly verbally abused and even pulled her hair a few times.

I have never laid a hand on her and am typically an easy going laid back dude.

Anyhow, they met on the commuter train into the city. She loved sitting near him. He had a little group of 5 friends that all commuted together and had a good time, so it seemed fairly innocent. However, this quickly changed and he began making advances. He then started contacting me to hang out and then we would hang out as a group.

My wife then convinced me to loan him $40k back in 09 when he was going to lose his home.

At this time, I did feel like their relationship was unusual. I didn't know or understand why anyone would have an affair with an abusive man.

I figured this was a romantic one and tried making it easy for her to leave our marriage. I offered to help her get a place in the city and we could just separate. She just kept denying and laughing saying that i was crazy.

She would raise her voice in public towards me and the children. A couple of people had pulled my aside to ask if everything was ok with her.

I just assumed this was my fault since i grew up in a home with an over bearing and controlling mother that treated my father this way.

It all seemed normal to me.

In 2009, my wife wanted to start actively trying to have children. Every time i was about to look into their relationship closer, a major event such as this would happen which was confusing to me.

In 2010 we learned that I needed to have an outpatient surg procedure before trying for children. She really didn't want to wait another year and wanted to have kids before she was 30, so we began IVF. The first time worked but she had a miscarriage. 2nd time took and she was preg with twin boys. They were born in the summer of 2010. They were actively together during this time of IVF and throughout her pregnancy.

There was birth complication that left my wife unable with paralysis in her lower extremities leaving her unable to walk for a few months and in rehab for the next 6 months.

They took a break during this time but still were actively talking/texting and things got back to normal for them in 2011.

She would continue being harsh and critical with every move that i made. I kept trying, but all i heard was complaints. She then said this is why she hasn't been able to become physical with me. She said that i needed to make some improvements in making more of an effort with the kids. I thought i was going crazy because I was doing more than most of all of my friends.

In 2012, he decided to relocate to southern CA and thousands of miles away from us. I was thrilled, but my wife fell into a depression. She then insisted that we move to southern CA saying that there's a job out there for her.

I met a couple of friends last month for drinks and asked them if they had suspected anything and they said yes. I was shocked, but they said no one wanted to get involved since they didn't definitively know it was an affair.

This made me feel worse because I was apparently one of a handful of people who didn't know.

I then hired a PI 3 weeks ago and he uncovered messages and potential plans to go to CA for a visit.

I confronted her and she didn't put up much resistance and admitted everything.

I talked with his wife and she was actually concerned for my wife! His wife went on to say that he is an abusive man and their 2 boys are in therapy because of their father's verbal abuse.

His wife immediately left and was more thrilled then devastated saying she already had one foot out the door.

My wife was extremely remorseful and ashamed. She ended the relationship and gave me full access to her phone and has no expectations of privacy. She also has began individual therapy and we just started marriage counseling last night.

I am pretty reasonable and could understand a relationship that fizzled out prior to children. Seeing another man for 10 years of a 14 year marriage and 2 years prior to children was unbelievable.

My wife has some deep underlying issues and I was not aware of how severe they were. Not excusing her behavior but at least I am having a better understanding.

Since discovery, we (mostly me) have been very intimate. I have never felt so strongly connected with someone and need to be with her.

At the same time, I feel a strong hatred that results in me saying some pretty harsh name calling and nasty stuff. I never get in her face or anything close to physical, but she gets frightened sometimes i think when she's uncomfortable and says it's because of the 10 years of verbal abuse she had endured with the other guy.

She now says it's a relief that she was caught and she's no longer shackled since i've released her.

Here are my issues:

Is it realistic to think her relationship with another man of 10 years is just going to stop? I mean, all i had to do was ask and they both complied. She said she wanted to get caught.

The majority of our marriage was built on a huge lie. One that was flaunted. The guilt and stress led her to verbally take it out on the family for the past 8 years or since the children were born.

is it realistic to think that someone wouldn't be consumed with animosity even years later?

khizer ahmed

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RubixCubed ( member #51615) posted at 6:00 PM on Wednesday, November 1st, 2017

No, I don't think it's realistic that it will just stop. They got caught, and will now lay low until they can continue on with the affair while being more covert so as not to be caught again.They will take it deep underground.

She didn't WANT to get caught, that's a lie to try to smooth things over with you.She had plans to go visit him, c'mon. If you hadn't caught them they'd still be at it and he likely wouldn't have moved.

10 out of 14 years of your marriage isn't an affair it's a separate life.

"But I'm trying, Ringo. I'm trying real hard to be the shepherd."

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 teslafanboy (original poster new member #61248) posted at 6:09 PM on Wednesday, November 1st, 2017

Actually, the man actually did move to CA in 2012.

Keep in mind that he and his fam became friends with us

khizer ahmed

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GoldenR ( member #54778) posted at 6:10 PM on Wednesday, November 1st, 2017

but she gets frightened sometimes i think when she's uncomfortable and says it's because of the 10 years of verbal abuse she had endured with the other guy.

Yeah....and she hated every minute of it, that's why it went on for 10 years.

You're making excuses for her. You're making her out to be a victim. You're rugsweeping.

She'll be back with OM as soon as she can.

Over 70% of your time married to her, she actively chose another man over you. And somehow, you're feeling more intimate than ever with her? Huh?

You may be the most co-dependant BH I've ever encountered on any forum.

Run. Fast. Find another woman that WILL actually love you back.

[This message edited by GoldenR at 12:10 PM, November 1st (Wednesday)]

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Rulk ( member #43969) posted at 6:13 PM on Wednesday, November 1st, 2017

I think your wife is abusive towards you and the kids and you're in denial. What do you do to protect your kids when your wife yells at them in public? That kind of behavior is unacceptable.

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harrybrown ( member #59225) posted at 6:45 PM on Wednesday, November 1st, 2017

File for D and tell her the OM is available.

She can go see him, but do not ever come back.

But before she goes, she signs the D papers.

Maybe she likes to be dominated.

10 years is way too long.

She is addicted to him.

this is huge disrespect that she made him be friends with you so that she could flaunt this in your face.

[This message edited by harrybrown at 12:47 PM, November 1st (Wednesday)]

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nekonamida ( member #42956) posted at 6:51 PM on Wednesday, November 1st, 2017

I agree with Rulk. OM's kids needed therapy for that and so do yours. If it was bad enough that people tried to intervene then you sound like you might be in denial about it.

Also, he moved to CA and she could have dropped him easily when that happened. She didn't need you to step in. She had the perfect opportunity and yet she tried hard to move close to him. You can never trust that she wanted it to end when all of her actions were that of someone wanting it to continue.

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badmemory ( member #58358) posted at 6:56 PM on Wednesday, November 1st, 2017

Is it realistic to think her relationship with another man of 10 years is just going to stop?

Probably not.

But you're asking the wrong question. It should be; Should a BH even try to get past such a horrific betrayal?

Think hard about this. For 10 years out of your 14 year married life, you were living a lie. The deceit, the verbal abuse, subjecting you to possible STD's. She's not a victim. She made a conscious choice, every day for 10 years, to cheat on you. In a few weeks or months, your regrets and anger will overcome the hysterical bonding. The relief you think you feel right now will be fleeting.

The other question you should be asking is; Does someone who is capable of doing this to you, deserve a second chance? In my view the answer is no. Not based on if she might do it again, but based on the despicable nature of what she did. I believe some types of infidelity are unforgivable. This is one of them.

Forget about her counseling. It doesn't matter what's wrong with her. You need to focus on what's wrong with you; for even considering R with this despicable woman. Get in IC for yourself. My guess is that you're a raging co-dependent.

[This message edited by badmemory at 3:26 PM, November 1st (Wednesday)]

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Michigan ( member #58005) posted at 7:01 PM on Wednesday, November 1st, 2017

Since discovery, we (mostly me) have been very intimate. I have never felt so strongly connected with someone and need to be with her.

The above is hysterical bonding. Look it up.

She would continue being harsh and critical with every move that i made. I kept trying, but all i heard was complaints. She then said this is why she hasn't been able to become physical with me.

I am pretty reasonable and could understand a relationship that fizzled out prior to children.

I have never laid a hand on her and am typically an easy going laid back dude.

I talked with his wife and she was actually concerned for my wife! His wife went on to say that he is an abusive man and their 2 boys are in therapy because of their father's verbal abuse.

In 2012, he decided to relocate to southern CA and thousands of miles away from us. I was thrilled, but my wife fell into a depression.

The above shows a pattern. She may not admit it, even to herself, but she’s not attracted to nice guy behavior. She’s turned on by verbally abusive behavior. She even wanted to move the entire family to CA to keep it coming.

To me your wife's actions would indicate that she is a submissive:

Female submission describes an activity or relationship in which a female submits to the dominance of a sexual partner. The submission can be voluntary and consensual. The dominant partner is usually a man, but can also be another woman, or there can be multiple dominant partners simultaneously. The term female submission most commonly refers to a woman who derives sexual pleasure or emotional gratification from relinquishing (to varying degrees) control to (as well as satisfying) a trusted dominant partner.

At the same time, I feel a strong hatred that results in me saying some pretty harsh name calling and nasty stuff. I never get in her face or anything close to physical, but she gets frightened sometimes i think when she's uncomfortable and says it's because of the 10 years of verbal abuse she had endured with the other guy.

This is crap. She’s “uncomfortable” with verbal abuse and “endured” verbal abuse when she sought it out for years? If she's uncomfortable now it's because it's coming from you. You were her safe zone.

If you want to stay with her for the kids that's up to you. But now you're the man. Don't put up with any crap.

She would continue being harsh and critical with every move that i made. I kept trying, but all i heard was complaints. She then said this is why she hasn't been able to become physical with me. She said that i needed to make some improvements in making more of an effort with the kids. I thought i was going crazy because I was doing more than most of all of my friends.

Those days should be over.

[This message edited by Michigan at 3:41 PM, November 1st (Wednesday)]

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Justabranch ( member #54694) posted at 7:33 PM on Wednesday, November 1st, 2017

I'm so sorry you're here, brother, but you've come to the right place. Some things will be said here that will be difficult for you to hear. But please listen. There is assembled here a wealth of information.

Is it realistic to think her relationship with another man of 10 years is just going to stop?

I'm sorry to have to tell you that no reasonable person would imagine that an affair that's spanned 10 years and the birth of your children would just cease. The affair is either continuing or it's gone dormant, only to re-emerge at the next opportunity. She's obviously addicted to him and you seem to be exhibiting your own co-dependency. What you must understand immediately is that you aren't in a position to reconcile at this time. You need to seek the help of a competent mental health provider immediately, as you are not thinking clearly right now and probably haven't been for awhile.

Again, I am sorry you are here. But listen to these people. You may think that the direction they are advising may be cruel to your wife, but she has visited upon you the most soul-sucking of injustices. For your sake and the sake of your children, your only path is to rip the infidelity out by the roots. And that, my brother, must be a merciless endeavor. Your marriage may not survive, but you will. Think about the last time you traveled by plane. There is a reason that they tell you to fix your oxygen mask first in the event of a depressurized cabin. The same principle applies here. You are in no position to concern yourself with your wife's well being. You are in critical condition.

A question ain't really a question
If you know the answer too.

Me: BH, 62yo
Her: WW, 50yo
Married 21 years, together 25 years
DDay#1: 16 Aug 2017
DDay#2: 3 Feb 2018
DDay#3: Nov 2018
Son: 20yo

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WilliamM ( member #60910) posted at 7:35 PM on Wednesday, November 1st, 2017

Man you were living in a hellish situation. Your wife has no respect for you. She valued the other man way more than you. She talked to you and the kids like crap. Not good. I hate to ask this but are you sure she got pregnant through IVF? I fear that your twins are his biological children. It also seems to me that you knew of the affair while it was going on yet let it continue. Maybe I did not understand that part right. I understand that you love your WW but do you want to continue to be her husband after 10 years of cheating and verbal abuse from your wife?

All things are possible.

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Justabranch ( member #54694) posted at 7:54 PM on Wednesday, November 1st, 2017

Keep in mind that he and his fam became friends with us

You can start by trying to be honest with yourself and begin monitoring how you articulate. This SOB never became your friend. Friends don't have sex with their friends' spouses. Sociopathic parasites exhibit that behavior. The fact is that he used you to gain $40K and abuse your wife for his own pleasure, although the jury is still out as to whether that was actually abuse.

It's time now for you to get good and pissed off.

I'm sorry to be so blunt, but the more you attempt at being honest with yourself, the quicker you'll emerge from the fog.

A question ain't really a question
If you know the answer too.

Me: BH, 62yo
Her: WW, 50yo
Married 21 years, together 25 years
DDay#1: 16 Aug 2017
DDay#2: 3 Feb 2018
DDay#3: Nov 2018
Son: 20yo

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ISurvived7734 ( member #60205) posted at 9:07 PM on Wednesday, November 1st, 2017

You are going nuts sexually for some internal caveman reasons. Reclaiming your woman, proving your manhood - shit like that. But you will find that it is absolutely meaningless with regard to your true feelings regarding her horrible betrayal.

As far as her cheating, it's never going to stop. Get used to sharing your wife (there are men who are ok with that) with him or start divorce proceedings. I doubt very much she will even feign remorse when you tell her it's over. She's been gone for years.

[This message edited by ISurvived7734 at 3:10 PM, November 1st (Wednesday)]



"I always look both ways when crossing a one-way street. That's how much faith I have in humanity..."

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xZOOMx ( member #60302) posted at 9:16 PM on Wednesday, November 1st, 2017

You should probably DNA your children. Honestly most people are pro reconciliation here but why even stay with her she is beyond damage, 84% of your "marriage" has been a lie why even put in the work to salvage those sad measly four years. Move on do IC and someday when you're ready start a relationship with someone that actually loves and cares for you. Honestly expose to family and all that you can dump her....never look back. Edit to add; Let the hate out on her, she gets "scared" because of the ten years of verbal "abuse" from the OM is laughable. Hell if she's trying to save her marriage ask her to sign a post nuptial agreement then divorce her so you won't loose half your stuff.

[This message edited by xZOOMx at 5:41 PM, November 1st (Wednesday)]

Payback is a bitch but revenge is a mother fucker and I'm here to fuck your mother.
Mind over matter: I don't mind, it doesn't fucking matter.

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LivingWithPain ( member #60578) posted at 9:18 PM on Wednesday, November 1st, 2017

Stop having sex with her.

Go see a lawyer and file for divorce, and show him all the documentation you have of the money she and her OM stole from you.

This is just beyond the pale.

Me - 39; WW - 36
Married 13 years
1 Adopted Son age 18
Still married and living together: attempting to reconcile.

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goalong ( member #57352) posted at 10:49 PM on Wednesday, November 1st, 2017

My Friend, Sorry I cannot understand why were you so accomadating/submissive? Time to at least at this stage to find yourself and do what is best for you

[This message edited by goalong at 4:51 PM, November 1st (Wednesday)]

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DeWittle ( member #50857) posted at 5:49 AM on Thursday, November 2nd, 2017

I fear that your are his biological children.

^^^^^^DNA test!!!

NO WAY this just ended, especially now that OBS left him, he wouldn't allow your WW to end it.

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Sharkman ( member #56818) posted at 9:07 AM on Thursday, November 2nd, 2017

I don’t know about others with IVF but when you go through it you’re pretty damn 100% sure the kid is yours.

Like we actually saw the egg being fertilized under this big microscope.

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TheGuy123 ( member #59235) posted at 3:59 AM on Friday, November 3rd, 2017

Sorry....but I can't get pasted the $40K your old lady talked you out of and gave to OM!

I mean it was clear where her priorities were...it is time to find a partner that will make you a priority....find a partner that will give you money instead of someone else.

Not that you want to take money from someone, but I hope you get my point?

Once both spouses just stop caring...anything can happen and usually does.

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