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Wife "confessed" she had an affair years ago, then lied + TT

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 StablePsycho (original poster new member #68728) posted at 5:41 AM on Sunday, November 4th, 2018

My wife and I started dating right before I graduated high school, and not quite a year later we married. We both had addiction/substance abuse problems in the past. I had battled mental health problems most of my life (diagnosed BPD).

About 6 or 7 years into our marriage things started to unravel. I was working unpredictable and long hours that semi-regularly required overnight travel. By the time we had our 3rd child (mid 2006) things were really bad at home. I started drinking more as well as smoking pot. I really didn't like my wife during that time, nor the way she treated me. I would say the relationship was emotionally abusive from both sides. I always had a gut feeling that her complaints about the marriage were way out of proportion to the actual problems. I started hanging out with a couple of friends from work who lived close by, and a couple of different times I decided I had too much to drink so I waited until morning to drive home.

The last time I did that my wife informed me that her brothers were driving down with their trucks and trailers to come get her and the kids and that they were going to live with her parents. I was livid, and in shock. This was my first experience with "the light-switch effect". It was like she was an entirely different person. 3 days later they were gone, 1800 miles away. There were many times before she left and while she was away that I accused her of wanting to cheat. There was enough evidence in her voice and in her choices that followed the common pattern I was seeing amongst married couples our age. Married women, including her friends and relatives were choosing to destroy their families left and right in order to scratch any and every itch a wayward woman might have. Usually the justification was that the husband was "abusive". I was also accused of being "abusive". I always thought that was BS, and stemmed from the wife's unsuccessful attempts to manipulate the husband and his ability to defend himself.

I began flying up to visit every few months to see the kids and my wife. Most phone conversations were ugly but when I would go up there we were usually able to set things asside and have fun. The sex during most of those visits was exceptionally good. I did tell my wife in very clear language, many times, that if she began seeing someone to the point where it was getting physical, that she needed to tell me (and vise versa) and that would be the end of it. She agreed. Many different times I reiterated this and I often asked if she had been seeing anyone. The only thing I heard about was a boss she had that wanted her to go to a trade show with him, and it seemed like it was implied that she was going to keep him company. As far as I know she didn't go, but years later I did find out there was at least some intimate physical contact. My wife has always claimed ignorance and innocence in relation to that situation. I think she loved the attention, and is really good at lying to herself about why she does certain things, and what she is or isn't aware of.

After she had been gone about 18 months she started to warm up to moving back, and eventually we moved her back. I was really excited to have my family back, but it was obvious we were nowhere near back to "normal". Our problems returned, and the marriage has been in rough shape ever since. About 7 years after returning, she sat me down and said she had a "relationship" with a guy I went to school with while we were separated. She said it was short lived and just a lot of making out. She said there were "no orgasms". Once she got that off her chest she went on as if nothing changed. I was in shock and disbelief. I had a million questions, and I know 2 of the first questions I asked her were 1) did they start having intercourse but stopped and 2) did they start having oral sex but stopped. She said no to both. For the most part, for the next 3 years she tried her best to sweep it under the rug. Knowing what I know now, I should have divorced her right then and there.

For the longest time I was devastated. The fact that she was acting as if nothing happened made it all the much worse. After a couple of years of giving her the benefit of the doubt, I started to snap out of it. I decided to turn my life around and become the man that any and every woman would want to be with. Basically I just went back to being who I was when I first met my wife. I started to hold her more accountable, and about a year ago she confessed she did suck his dick "but for like 5 seconds" and on another occasion they started having sex but stopped almost immediately. And at least on one occasion she stayed overnight at his place. The last year or so she has been swearing on everything holy, the bible, her mothers grave, and our childrens lives that she has told me everything and it was the truth.

A few days ago I found out that he also began giving her oral but stopped short. Also the "almost sex" happened in her bedroom at her parents house while our kids were sleeping. Today I found out this guy also came with her brothers to move her back home. I assumed they met through her brothers but I had no idea he came down with them to help her move. Also today I found out she had some kind of pen-pal relationship (as well as phone calls) with some guy who was in prison at the time that happened to be related to a friend of hers. There must be another half dozen things that came out over the last year that I had no idea about.

A lot of her family knew about this relationship. Out of all the times I visited them, not a word was said. The effects of trying to internalize this and make sense of it has almost destroyed my sanity. The worst part of all is the gas-lighting. My gut was right from the start, yet I was fed a steady diet of lies.

Again tonight, she swears I know everything. My gut says its bullshit and she sucked him and fucked him every which way. I dont know a single man (and probably not even a woman) that would believe the story I am supposed to believe. She has followed the cheaters script at every turn. The only reason I have not left yet, is because I know that I am very difficult to live with.

Im not afraid of moving on without her, Im not afraid of having to replace her. That said she is really important to me. She had my kids (I assume there mine). We have a lot of fun together. We look like the picture perfect American family. The things she has admitted to are not yet a deal breaker, if they are true. I cant afford to believe they are true though, so I dont. Ive been making plans to move out for a while to get some clarity. My wife did post her story on the wayward forum, so hopefully we can both get some insight in to how to begin reconciling or how to start moving on.

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Tren0R201 ( member #39633) posted at 9:22 AM on Sunday, November 4th, 2018

Polygraph.

I think you'll discover they did it every which way because they were consenting adults and they wanted to do it.

And yes. she probably orgasmed. Perhaps include that question in the polygraph.. if you get that far because I doubt she will go through with it.

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Rideitout ( member #58849) posted at 9:55 AM on Sunday, November 4th, 2018

Polygraph

^^This

Your wife is following the script to a "T". If what she is saying is true, she should want to RUN to have a polygraph because her story is so "tame" compared to most WW's. But, think about yourself for a minute, how many times have you had sex "for a minute" and then stopped? Or gotten a BJ "for a second"? I'm old enough to say, I've had 1000's of sexual experiences, and NEVER have any of them looked like that. Add in the illicit excitement and fuel of an A, and.. Is it possible she's telling the truth? Yes, it is, but it's about as likely as me winning the Powerball without buying a ticket. Affairs just don't go that way, if there's physical contact, there's sex, typically a lot of it.

First you have to decide why you want to know. If sex is a deal breaker for you, stop wasting your time and leave. If you need to get the truth from your wife, and can accept that it's probably pretty bad news but need it to start healing, then perhaps it's worth it. A polygraph is one way to get it. You might also try to contact the OM, I got almost all the sexual details from the OM; they don't care as long as you're not gonna nuke their world, often times they'll spill the beans.

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 StablePsycho (original poster new member #68728) posted at 3:58 PM on Sunday, November 4th, 2018

Most likely at this point, sex would be a deal breaker if I found out through a polygraph. Not necessarily because of the sex though, but because of the lying and gas-lighting. I'm not sure I would trust a polygraph anyway, with all this being burred by denial for the last 11 years. I think she believes what she is telling me 100%. But I doubt it is an accurate reflection of what took place.

I have tried to contact the other guy. Hopefully I hear back.

I feel like if I need a polygraph and another man's word in order to trust my wife, the ship has sailed as far as reconciliation. Its tough though to get the strength to separate. 20 years is a long time, its my entire adult life.

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goalong ( member #57352) posted at 4:49 PM on Sunday, November 4th, 2018

sorry that you are suffering because of the history. But whatever try to get over it and concentrate on your other resposibilities like you said you are doing to make you a better person. Letting it bother you everyday affect only you which lead to affecting your productivity and also the value of you in your WW eyes.

Overall it looks like You were Plan B. The guy she had an affair with was either not marriage material or he just tricked your WW to have some fun on the side. You have been a little naive to expect nothing would happen under the circumstances you described.

Any way past is past, you cannot do anything about it. Keep doing things that make you a better person and deal with your WW to get what you want- full disclosure, remorse and R or D.

I have tried to contact the other guy

ask you ww for his details and you can contact his w to let her know

[This message edited by goalong at 10:53 AM, November 4th (Sunday)]

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Lalagirl ( member #14576) posted at 4:03 PM on Monday, November 5th, 2018

Sadly, IMO, your WW is a pathological liar. She'll swear on all things holy and her kids because she has zero moral compass.

You wrote that you and she have fun together. Gently, given what you wrote in your post, it’s been an unhappy M (but NO reason for your WW to be unfaithful to you; if she wanted to date, she should have divorced you first). You say she started changing for the bad upon getting pregnant. You may want to consider doing a DNA test on your child (you made reference “if she’s mine” – that’s your gut talking).

Given her penchant for lying (which to me is worse than the infidelity itself) and that you guys fight so much, you may just want to consider filing. I think you will be much happier and emotionally healthier.

Sending strength...

Lala

2025: Me-59 FWH-61 Married 41 years grown daughters- 41 & 37. 1 GS,11yo GD & 9yo GD (DD40); Five grands ages 15 to 8. D-day #1-1/06; D-day #2-3/07 Reconciled! Construction Complete. Astra inclinant, sed non obligant

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 StablePsycho (original poster new member #68728) posted at 11:52 PM on Tuesday, November 6th, 2018

ask you ww for his details and you can contact his w to let her know

I did this through Facebook. They were not married at the time, but seeing as I have no proof that the relationship has ended, I felt I should warn her. That was about a week ago, I have not heard back from her or my wife's AP. I was hoping to talk to him, see if his recollection matched my wifes.

Sadly, IMO, your WW is a pathological liar. She'll swear on all things holy and her kids because she has zero moral compass

This is obviously a real possibility. She told me herself last night that she compartmentalizes the really terrible parts of her character. She is starting to open up about that stuff, and wants me to know everything about her, like she knows with me.

We talked about separating, giving each other some space. Work on ourselves.

The problem is Ill never believe that story. Ill always suspect more. That's not much of a life.

[This message edited by StablePsycho at 11:25 PM, November 6th (Tuesday)]

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jb3199 ( member #27673) posted at 11:48 AM on Wednesday, November 7th, 2018

With this

I feel like if I need a polygraph and another man's word in order to trust my wife, the ship has sailed as far as reconciliation.

and this

The problem is Ill never believe that story. Ill always suspect more.

then you have already wrote the story. Game over.

I am assuming that this is not what you want. If there is any chance for reconciliation, then not only are the two of you going to have to fully commit, but uncomfortable conversations, and actions, will need to be taken in order to rebuild trust.

Has she written a detailed timeline? Something that you can go back to, and correlate her stories?

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All work and no play has just cost me my wife--Gary PuckettD-Day(s): EnoughAccepting that I can/may end this marriage 7/2/14

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Dismayed2012 ( member #49151) posted at 3:37 PM on Wednesday, November 7th, 2018

You are right StablePsycho, you should have divorced her as soon as you heard about this years ago.

It sounds like you really want to believe her story that they stopped in the middle of having sex and that it was only oral. She's lying her a$$ off here. Nobody stops when their doing oral or when they're about to have sex. And she stayed overnight at his house? And she's trying to convince you that she didn't screw him? That's hilarious. She's following the cheater's script to the letter.

She's trash dude and I'm sorry for you. Decide what you want for your future and decide if you really want to spend your next days, weeks, months, years dealing with her drama. I say it's not worth it but this is your life; you decide how happy you want your life to be.

Take care of yourself.

Infidelity sucks. Freedom rocks.

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 StablePsycho (original poster new member #68728) posted at 6:30 AM on Saturday, November 10th, 2018

Thanks everyone for the advice. We decided to separate for 1 year, and there is a nice place to rent close by. We both need a lot of counseling, and time to heal. The goal is to get to the point where reconciliation is possible, by the 1 year mark. Or get a divorce.

Ill probably schedule her a polygraph. I don't have a lot of hope in reaching reconciliation. I wouldn't be surprised if one of us filed for divorce within the first 6 months of being separated.

I just cant imagine ever trusting her again, even a little bit.

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Buster123 ( member #65551) posted at 4:30 PM on Saturday, November 10th, 2018

To the WS separation typically means more time to CHEAT without being monitored, why not file for D NOW (without warning remember she didn't warn you about her cheating), it could take about a year to be final and if by that time she comes around, shows true remorse, commits to NC FOREVER with OM, and does the heavy lifting to restore the M then maybe then should you CONSIDER stopping it and giving her the gift of R or NOT.

If you still feel you want to wait a year (that's a long time to remain in limbo), at least make it a legal separation, that way you're protected against debt she may incur, also demand a she signs a postnup with an infidelity clause in your favor, if she cheats again (even while separated) she leaves the M pennyless without alimony/spousal support and you get the lion's share of marital assets, if she doesn't intend to cheat then shouldn't have any problems with this, if she refuses then you know she wants to keep her options to cheat open.

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Western ( member #46653) posted at 3:36 PM on Tuesday, November 13th, 2018

you separated for a year, then she 'did' another guy. Now you struggle with this but eye reconciliation. However, now you are separating again. How did that work out for you the last time ?

Separation just invites cheating. Either fix it or break up. Those are the only two choices

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