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Wife Having An "Emotional Affair"

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beenthere2? ( member #28554) posted at 6:44 PM on Sunday, November 21st, 2010

He also said that it would end here as he doesn't want to be the guy who breaks up a family.

Isn't it amazing how they don't feel that way BEFORE they get caught?

Me: BW 34 Him: WH 36
Married 10
Dday #1 5/15/10 claimed EA/just friends
#2 9/20/10 (admitted to kiss w/ same OW
#3 11/29/10 admitted to a lot more

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jnj express ( member #12179) posted at 7:58 PM on Sunday, November 21st, 2010

Hey alluring----A post-Nup---can be put in place to state that if C123 does R., but she cheats again---she will not get half of the assets----If she wants back in, she signs a post-nup giving up much of her assets in a D., action due to her repeated cheating-----A duress clause is needed to show, she did not sign under duress, as that is how post-nup's are challenged

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nuance ( member #28793) posted at 11:25 PM on Sunday, November 21st, 2010

I agree about she leaving her job. That'll also tell you how committed she is with R.

Dday May 2000. R'ed.
People suck.

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jnj express ( member #12179) posted at 1:05 AM on Monday, November 22nd, 2010

I understand everyone---as to the wife in this instance leaving her job---THAT IS WHAT SHOULD/NEEDS TO HAPPEN

BUT---I also ask all of you---what a mge. is like when there is no/not enuff money----How does that effect living/lifestyle/how the partners get along

She should not leave her job, until there is another in place----there is already a very hard situation for the spouses to live in---add to that the wife hanging around the house w/out a job, and a lack of money, adding to the problems-----

The properly demanded position of her leaving work, falls apart real fast if you can't pay the mortgage, and have money for food, gas, everyday living etc.

I know what is preferable as to job ---but in this day and age one has to also be realistic

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 cheated123 (original poster new member #30160) posted at 1:56 AM on Monday, November 22nd, 2010

jNj Express,

You bring up some good points. I had already decided she would just find a new one before she quits the current.

There are a lot of openings for her role in our area and I will help her find something else.

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jb3199 ( member #27673) posted at 4:00 AM on Monday, November 22nd, 2010

Cheated,

Doesn't look like you are asking for anything that is out of line here.

Your world came crumbling down with her job at the epicenter; I am not the least surprised that this is a non-negotiable point for R.

You are not demanding her change of workplace as punishment, but to leave behind a huge part of the problem for YOUR peace of mind.

YOU didn't ask for this, yet here you are having to pick up the pieces and go on. I think you are entitled to demand a few things that can lessen your burden.

I hope all works out for you. If she does willingly quit her job, I believe that would speak volumes for commitment to R.

Here's hoping.

BH-50s
WW-50s
2 boys
Married over 30yrs.

All work and no play has just cost me my wife--Gary PuckettD-Day(s): EnoughAccepting that I can/may end this marriage 7/2/14

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 cheated123 (original poster new member #30160) posted at 6:36 PM on Tuesday, November 23rd, 2010

So I haven't seen her since last Wednesday when I left. She has been repeatedly telling me over the phone she made a huge mistake and can't live without me. She says she is so very embarrassed because her and my family know and she feels terrible she hurt everyone by doing this. She also said she doesn't even know how she got emotionally involved with him and when it happened she was in a fog like state.

A part of me wants to believe her so I am going to see her tonight to talk in person. I don't know what's left or how this is going to play out. The job thing is still up in the air because right now we can't afford to lose that income. I can't monitor her at work all day etc so I am stumped on this one.

Wish me luck I have no clue what I am doing but I want to see her.

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toby ( member #10337) posted at 7:32 PM on Tuesday, November 23rd, 2010

Talking is good. She needs to come clean on everything. Tell her you will not be TT! Ask her if she's been NC with the OM(they always lie about this).

One thing that bothers the shit out me in your posts is.....the baby!!!! Does she ever mentions the baby at all?

Most mothers would be going crazy not seeing their baby for this long!!!

What's the sitch there?

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longsadstory1952 ( member #29048) posted at 7:38 PM on Tuesday, November 23rd, 2010

Good luck on this tonight. I know you feel secure on this issue, but the number of people here who started out with WS telling them it was only emotional and end up learning about long term PA is legion. So be careful with your heart on this.

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 cheated123 (original poster new member #30160) posted at 5:10 PM on Wednesday, November 24th, 2010

We talked it over and she has agreed to everything I have asked.

1) Counseling for her to figure out why and not to do it again. I am suggesting 3 1 hour sessions minimum.

2) Work - We can't lose the income right now, it's 85K per year and would be stupid. Jobs are really hard to find in her field. However, she is going to request another work from home day making her here at home 3 days per week and 2 days at the office. Also, she is moving her desk out of the upstairs office into the open family room where we will be working together (I work from home also). No more secret phone conversations upstairs with the OM. I also am checking cell phone calls daily. The only thing I don't have access to is her email/IM. BUT, I told her I will make random checks and she has to agree. She said she was not happy about it, BUT will do it and not say anything.

3) Book: Not Just Friends - Bought it and she has agreed to read it with me.

4) Coming clean - She came clean to her family and my family. It was an embarrassing and humbling experience that no person would want to go through again.

ME - I will be on my guard. I will question. I will not trust. I told her this is her last chance as I will file for divorce if I even suspect anything ever again. Looked her straight in the eye and told her that.

Last night was actually good for us. We talked more and communicated more than in the past 3 months. Now, I just have to be patient and make sure I do my due diligence in watching for the warning signs. I will not put myself through it again.

Thank you for all the support. I understand a lot of people here have been burned and my heart goes out to you. Stay strong and don't take shit. You make the rules and if they break them, you leave. That is my stance from here out. The only things we NEED in life is water, food, and shelter. Love and relationships are a choice. For now, I am choosing to get back with her. But, that may change based on HER actions moving forward.

Stay true to yourself always.

Cheated123

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Pulverized ( member #27890) posted at 5:36 PM on Wednesday, November 24th, 2010

(cheated)

I know exactly how you feel!

I sent this to my FWH and his OW when I discovered their A and YES IT IS AN AFFAIR!!!!

Affair Recovery: The Truth About Affairs

Myth #8: Emotional Affairs (when there has been no sexual involvement) are not really affairs.

Truth: Emotional Affairs are and can be just as devestating as affairs where there is sexual involvement.

Emotional affairs may not be considered as taboo in our society but as far as the marriage or relationship go they are still doing a great deal of damage. First, the "cheated" on partner is hurt and angry because there is still a sense of being betrayed. "You are sharing and talking about your thoughts and feelings with her and not with me." This still puts the "betrayed" spouse on the outside and being left out of a new bond. That is the betrayal. And for women, emotional affairs are often more hurtful than if their spouse is having a sexual encounter that doesn't have any emotional ties.

Also, anything can really be as harmful as an affair. If you are pulling your energy out of the marriage and investing it in someone else whether there is sexual involvement or not you are putting someone else before your spouse. The marriage suffers and the spouse suffers. If one partner is playing golf every spare minute outside of work that is also damaging to a marriage in a similar way as an affair is. It may not feel like a betrayal but there is a pulling energy and investment out of the marriage and putting it toward something else.

Often people end up going down a road but don't realize it because emotional affair (like sexual affairs) often begin with friendships usually at work. A big red flag is if you find yourself not telling your partner about your friend or about what you and your "friend" are talking about. Now you have something to worry about. If you find yourself thinking, she'd be mad (or he'd be mad) but "we're just friends" know you are in dangerous territory. If you ever find yourself justifying a relationship with the words "we're just friends" either to yourself or to your spouse you have probably already crossed a line and maybe you aren't even aware of it yet. That phrase should give you pause to stop and really think about what is really going on between the two of you.

How to Recognize and Cope with an Emotional Affair

Did you know that an emotional affair can be just as dangerous to a marriage as a physical affair, and sometimes more so? And that spouses who never had any intention of cheating can unwittingly become enmeshed in an emotional affair?

Many spouses will shrug off questions about an emotional affair with the reply that “It’s harmless” or “We’re just friends.” They fail to see the damage that the emotional closeness with someone outside of the marriage is doing to the primary relationship.

Individuals who are the most vulnerable to becoming involved in an emotional affair are those in a marriage where emotional intimacy is lacking. Their marriage may be going through a period of hostility, emotional distance, and conflict. The “friends” are sucked into the emotional affair by the seductive lure and pull of an intense emotional connection to each other that feels easy, safe, and comforting.

Under the surface there’s a strong sexual chemistry that’s covered up by the “friendship.” And, of course, there’s the excitement that’s heightened by the secrecy that surrounds the new-found intimacy. Even though the “friendship” may begin innocently enough, as it progresses the bond between the two individuals deepens and drains energy away from the marital relationship.

The two individuals involved in the emotional affair may have been casual friends or co-workers to start with. Or they may have met online in a chat room. At some point, they started confiding feelings and personal details about themselves, their partners, and their relationships that their spouses would have seen as a violation of trust. And that was the first danger signal that indicated trouble ahead.

The second danger indicator was when they started sharing more with the “friend” than with their spouse and depending on the “friend” for their primary emotional support. At some point, they began to feel that the “friend” understood them better than their own spouse did and was easier to communicate with. They felt a sense of companionship with the “friend” that was lacking with their spouse.

The third red flag indicating danger ahead was when they began keeping their conversations and the frequency of contact secret from their spouses. This is a definite danger sign. Both individuals knew that their spouses would be upset if they knew the extent of the contact, the depth of the emotional connection, and the intimate subjects being routinely discussed.

Finding out that your spouse is involved in an emotional affair can feel like the ultimate betrayal, and many spouses view it that way. They view what has happened as deception and they feel betrayed.

The partner involved in the emotional affair usually attempts to downplay and minimize what has happened. She (or he) may rationalize that nothing physical has happened, so there’s nothing for the spouse to be upset about. She may accuse the spouse of being jealous and controlling to get him to back off.

But an emotional affair can hasten the demise of a marriage. It drains the attention and focus that could have been put into tackling problems in the marriage and improving the quality of the relationship. Instead, it siphons off the energy that’s needed to put new life into a tired, ailing marriage. The spouse ends up forming a close, intimate connection with a “friend” outside the marriage while the marriage suffers from emotional neglect and decreased commitment.

The sad thing is that if the “friends” end up divorcing their respective spouses and getting married, the same patterns that were present in their former marriages will show up once again down the road in the new marriage.

When challenging problems develop again, they will be inclined to repeat their pattern of escaping and avoiding them by bonding with another “friend” for support. Issues that haven’t been dealt with in one relationship always resurface again in subsequent relationships. It’s only a matter of time until they pop up again.

So what can you do if you or your spouse is involved in an emotional affair? Here are some tips to follow if you are serious about wanting to keep your marriage:

1. Immediately, make your marriage your top priority. Direct your time, energy, focus, and attention on understanding what has happened and coming up with an action plan to improve the emotional intimacy in your marriage.

Cut back on elective activities and carve out time to spend with your spouse. Everything else is secondary if you truly want your marriage to make it.

2. Marriage counseling is a must in order to have a safe place to discuss the emotionally-charged issues surrounding an emotional affair. It helps considerably to have an objective professional who can help guide you and your spouse through the landmines.

You want to get the real issues and accompanying feelings out in the open where they can be addressed. If you try to cover things up and limp along without really looking closely at why the emotional betrayal happened, nothing has been remedied. That’s a set-up for having a repeat experience.

3. Both spouses need to make a commitment to ending any secrecy about who they are talking to, how often, what about, etc. There can’t be anything hidden if trust is going to be regained and the marital relationship healed.

The same dynamics that are present in a physical affair will be present in an emotional affair, also. The spouse with the “friend” may not have overtly lied to the partner about the emotional dependency but rather just didn’t ever mention it, an act of omission. The impact on the relationship is the same.

4. Obviously, contact with the “friend” cannot continue in the same way. Seeing that person and having some interaction may be necessary if both parties work together, and there will certainly be a period of transition involved.

Anything involving a work situation can be awkward and delicate, and co-workers are bound to notice the change in interactions between the person ending the affair and the “friend.” There’s nothing easy about ending an emotional affair. The painful period just has to be endured. It the situation is unworkable, one or the other may need to change jobs.

5. Consider your counseling options. If your spouse is involved in an emotional affair and won’t acknowledge the seriousness of it, make any changes, or agree to go to counseling to discuss it, then you need to begin individual counseling sessions to help you deal with the situation and decide what to do.

Sometimes you have to tread lightly when a partner is caught up in an emotional affair and give things some time and space. In some cases, the current “friend” will eventually pull away and get closer to a new “friend” on the scene. If that happens, your spouse may be more likely to look back at the marriage with more interest.

If not, the moment will probably eventually come when you won’t be able to tolerate the situation any longer and may need to consider a separation. Sometimes, this serves as the catalyst to make a spouse reconsider what he or she is doing.

There are many options on the continuum of what to do next, and that’s where a counselor can be of valuable assistance.

There are 3 key ingredients to healing from affairs:

1. Absolutely no contact with the 3rd party.

2. Hours and hours of discussion between you and your husband so you both can discover why, what are the real reasons this affair took place, and what is going to be different in the future to ensure that it doesn’t happen again. If you don’t discover and deal with the root causes of the affair it is likely to happen again.

3. It takes patience on both your parts.

Me-BS-46
WH-43
OW - 48
1st DDay - 11/28/09
2nd DDay - 1/08/10
Married 08/08 (invalid)
3rd DDay - 9/23/2014

DIVORCING!!!!

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