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				    				nofool4u ( member #38509)		posted at 10:05 PM on Wednesday, July 3rd, 2013	
			 
	
 he says: “Want_To_Forgive, I think you need someone who is tender with you, but also firm and strong.”
 
 
 
	Sorry to be the voice of dissent on this, but this sounds like a player's pick up line. 
 
 
	Not that the sentiment of it isn't appealing.  But for him to feel the need to declare it?  I don't know, just odd to me thats all.
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				    				inconnu ( member #24518)		posted at 12:08 AM on Thursday, July 4th, 2013	
			 
	
Sad and inconnu, you picked up on the part that has me second guessing myself. I am woman hear me roar.
 
 
 
	Like I said, it could just be the choice of the word firm that bugs me. I do know I need, and have, a man who can hold his own against me and isn't afraid to voice his opinion when it doesn't agree with mine. But he's equally as good at listening, and respecting, my thoughts and opinions even if he doesn't agree with me. 
 
 
	The word firm reminds me of Ricky and Lucy, of I Love Lucy fame. He had to be firm with her because otherwise she didn't live up to his expectations of how a wife should behave. Yeah, I know it was a tv show, and yeah, I know it was from a gazillion years ago and times and expectations have changed since then. But still, that's the picture I get in my head when I hear the word - the husband who has to control the wife, for her own good.  
 
 
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				    				wildbananas ( member #10552)		posted at 12:41 AM on Thursday, July 4th, 2013	
			 
	I'm with Sad and inconnu... it would make me feel like someone feels like they have to keep me in line or something.  No thanks. 
 
 
	Unless we're talking that wimmenz locker room talk, that is.  Then yeah, leave it in.  
 
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				    				miadianna ( member #10516)		posted at 12:57 AM on Thursday, July 4th, 2013	
			 
	Heck, I didn't even get to the "firm" part before I felt squirmy. The "need" and "you need" gave me icky feelings.  I don't like that "you need" line. Unless, of course, that's what you were talking about and said it to him first or asked what he thought you needed but I would't do that. Then again, I am not dating and that's probably a good thing. It's all a big    
 to me. 
 
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				    				stupidstupidme ( member #11888)		posted at 1:41 AM on Thursday, July 4th, 2013	
			 
	oh I love it.  That's right up my alley - and what I want...  NEED  
 
 
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				    				Williesmom ( member #22870)		posted at 1:48 AM on Thursday, July 4th, 2013	
			 
	It reminded me of Rhett butler saying " you need to be kissed often, by a man that knows how." 
 
 
	
 
 
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				    				ExposedNiblet ( member #30803)		posted at 2:02 AM on Thursday, July 4th, 2013	
			 
	I can appreciate the intended sentiment, but seriously, no way in Hell am I going to allow anyone to tell me what I need - man or woman, tender or tough, firm or flaccid  
 , strong or weak. 
 
 
	ROAR!!! 
 
			 		 			
				    				 want_to_forgive (original poster  member #20470)		posted at 5:47 AM on Thursday, July 4th, 2013	
			 
	WM: "you need to be kissed often, by a man who knows how." 
 
 
	Yes, please! 
 
 
	I am hopeless. LOL 
 
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				    				roughroadahead ( member #36060)		posted at 5:43 AM on Friday, July 5th, 2013	
			 
	I would also be irritated by anyone, especially a date/boyfriend telling me what I need. Regardless of how often I told waffle, pre-S, that he needed to get his head out of his ass. I also don't like firm... I agree it sounds paternal. Almost in a "don't worry your pretty little head" way. 
 
 
	I don't want to be a downer, but I'm not a big fan of "waiting for someone like you". That sounds pedestal-y. 
 
 
	Again, sorry to be a downer. It may have come across differently depending on the context. 
 
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				    				PanicAttack53 ( member #34195)		posted at 6:56 AM on Friday, July 5th, 2013	
			 
	WOW!!!! I gotta tell you ladies that this thread was a very interesting read for a guy. The more I think I know women.... the more I realize I really don't know sh*t. 
 
 
	Anyway thanks for the info cause the more I get of that... the less likely I'll hook up with another "weed pulling stalker" next time.   
 
 
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				    				thyme2go ( member #12908)		posted at 6:49 AM on Saturday, July 6th, 2013	
			 
	As a guy, I simply cannot fathom making this comment to a member of the opposite sex. How condescending.  
 
 
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