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 sportsfan (original poster member #9918) posted at 7:19 PM on Thursday, July 10th, 2014

I’ve been here for a long time but don’t remember this question being asked (but I DO have a bad memory so it could’ve been).

Do you think infidelity can cause PTSD?

Do you think YOU have PTSD as a direct result of infidelity?

And if you believe infidelity caused you to have PTSD, what are your signs?

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Deeply Scared ( Administrator #2) posted at 7:25 PM on Thursday, July 10th, 2014

Moving to General.

"Don't give up, the beginning is always the hardest." My Mom:)

My tolerance for stupid shit is getting less and less.

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shiloe ( member #1224) posted at 7:25 PM on Thursday, July 10th, 2014

Yes. Most certainly. I have it. I posted this before in a thread here at SI were the topic was PTSD from infidelity. I think you will find it interesting.

https://www.ptsdforum.org/c/threads/...-affair.15212/

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As someone who was diagnosed with PTSD 3 months before finding out about my spouses affair I am appalled that anyone who has not been the victim of an extramarital affair would say it does not meet the criteria for developing PTSD. I can tell you a spouses affair is the most painful thing I have ever been through. It is worse than the childhood abuse, worse than being taken away from your parents, worse than having someone threaten your life if you tell about a crime. Please let me validate that yes, an spouses affair can most certainly cause PTSD. What does an extramarital affair do to a betrayed spouse?

It shatters our assumptions about our safety in the world. It reminds us that we have no control over what happens to us. Our emotional well being is a lie we told ourselves to make us feel safe. It teaches you that no matter how much you wish you could rely on other people, this just is not true in life. It teaches us that the security we once believe we had can be stolen from you in an instant and there is absolutely nothing you can do about it.

It is horrifying to know that the person you chose to share your life with, someone who promised to protect you and love you is just an abusive, selfish liar. It is horrifying and humiliating to wait to find out if you have some in curable disease such as AIDS or other STD. It is painful to know that someone you shared your life with would knowingly and intentionally put your life at risk, but not blatantly, they did it covertly with a smile on their face. When the horror of it all comes out, they blame you for their decision to put your life on the line.

To know that someone else would willing play with your life for their own selfish gain is nothing less than horrifying and debilitating. It takes away your belief that the world is a just and fair place. You realize that it doesn't matter how hard you've tried to do good things in your life, the world is cruel and you are not rewarded for trying to be a good person. If you had faith in God you soon come to realize God is a creation of man, because the human mind just can not fathom how people can get away with such horrid acts and that the victim may never receive justice. Man can't accept that we do live in an unjust world and that it is every man for himself. It steals something from your soul that can never again be replaced - it steals whatever amount of innocence you have left in your soul that told you the world had good, kind and loving people in it. You soon realize that your perception of having control over the path of your life is all an illusion. You don't have an y control over anything.

The only way to protect yourself from this harsh world is to harden your heart, rely on only yourself and look out for number one. Caring about other people does not stop them from hurting you, so why bother. You soon realize life is just an illusion of control - the illusion is that we have any ounce of control over what happens to us. So you sit on guard waiting for the next blow, hoping that if you can anticipate the next event it won't be as painful. You wonder what you could have done differently to have prevented this. You play it over and over again in your mind. As you go about "trying" to live life you become enraged when you hear a song on the radio, see a person, hear a word, anything can trigger the rage as if you were reliving that day all over again. relive a calendar date as it approaches years later, going over what you thought was happening at that particular time, but now knowing what was really happening behind the scenes.

Piecing the puzzle together days, months and years later. Just when you thought you had a handle on how the puzzle was put together, you begin to re-evaluate if those pieces really fit where you thought they did, never knowing if you'll complete the puzzle correctly and knowing that the only person who can help you do that is a complete liar.

Affairs steal our dreams of the future, make us doubt our pasts, shatter our assumptions of a fair world. They kill god, goodness and hope. They steal control, values, trust in humanity and a piece of your soul. Yes, affairs are traumatic! So please unless you've walked a mile in the shoes of a betrayed spouse, don't ever assume you know the depth of the trauma it creates! Infidelity is abuse, it is trauma and it is life altering!

Let me leave you with quote from a war veteran that posts on an infidelity forum.

I can honestly say this to whomever takes the time to read this post and this I swear; I am a 6 time Veteran of multiple wars and I have seen the face of death far to many times to count, my days and nights have been filled with the memories of lost friends and the tragedy that brought it. The only thing humanly possible to erase my pain was the Affair that my wife had. She saved me from my nightmares of war but burdened me with a pain that all of my worst days in combat all rolled up into a sigle moment couldn't compete with. I have never known such a pain, never in a million lifetimes should another person be subjected to this

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Tred ( member #34086) posted at 7:26 PM on Thursday, July 10th, 2014

I've been diagnosed officially with 309.81 - Post Traumatic Stress Disorder by a Neuropsychologist. It's a direct result of the trauma caused by infidelity (and about a year of bad setbacks). I have nightmares, shakes, twinges, sleep issues, and other health issues that I didn't have prior to DDay.

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shiloe ( member #1224) posted at 7:57 PM on Thursday, July 10th, 2014

I hope you don't mind my asking Tred, what are "twinges"? Is that like a nervous tic?

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Razor ( member #16345) posted at 8:03 PM on Thursday, July 10th, 2014

I was diagnosed with ptsd some years ago. Its real.

I was on a drug for it years ago - a anti-psychotic. I was actually wanting to crawl out of my skin. Triggers everywhere.

Im off the drugs now and have learnt to cope with triggers when they come up.

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Newlease ( member #7767) posted at 8:06 PM on Thursday, July 10th, 2014

Yes. You can get PTSD from infidelity. I was diagnosed with it.

The symptoms: restlessness, inability to sleep, memory lapses, no appetite, constantly banging into things (clumsiness), intrusive thoughts, thoughts of suicide, and reliving the trauma.

With the help of IC, ADs and AAs, and EMDR therapy, I got better. Of course, I got rid of the cause of all of it too (XWH).

Sending strength and peace.

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JanaGreen ( member #29341) posted at 8:10 PM on Thursday, July 10th, 2014

Yes, I wasn't diagnosed, but our MC told my husband that that's what was causing me to act the way I did. (Well, that and the fact that he was lying his ass off at the time). Triggers, panic attacks, mind movies. It's all a bowl of shit.

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 sportsfan (original poster member #9918) posted at 8:11 PM on Thursday, July 10th, 2014

Shiloe - I went to the site that you suggested. The popular argument there was that infidelity cannot result in PTSD citing:

"A. The person has been exposed to a traumatic event in which both of the following were present:

(1) the person experienced, witnessed, or was confronted with an event or events that involved actual or threatened death or serious injury, or a threat to the physical integrity of self or others.

(2) the person's response involved intense fear, helplessness, or horror. Note: In children, this may be expressed instead by disorganized or agitated behavior.”

I guarantee that I still exhibit PTSD symptoms albeit not as much as I did years ago. What is bugging me is that these symptoms have become part of my makeup - my life - they were not pre A.

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somanyyears ( member #26970) posted at 8:11 PM on Thursday, July 10th, 2014

....

raising hand.. whatever definition you may give it, the betrayal was soul ripping, mind blowing, gut wrenching, heartbreaking, spirit robbing, world changing, ..emotion crushing..horror..

..if they call that PTSD.. ya.. that's what i got!!

..this is what I posted on the previous thread about PTSD as related to betrayal.

..I still feel the same way and it's been 5+ years..

[This message edited by somanyyears at 2:15 PM, July 10th (Thursday)]

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Tred ( member #34086) posted at 8:13 PM on Thursday, July 10th, 2014

what are "twinges"? Is that like a nervous tic?

Similar. Sometimes my body will just convulse, sometimes it's more of a flashback trigger that makes my react. My doctor says it's a psychosomatic reaction. I don't have to be conscious of it.

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Tred ( member #34086) posted at 8:16 PM on Thursday, July 10th, 2014

(1) the person experienced, witnessed, or was confronted with an event or events that involved actual or threatened death or serious injury, or a threat to the physical integrity of self or others.

(2) the person's response involved intense fear, helplessness, or horror. Note: In children, this may be expressed instead by disorganized or agitated behavior.”

Which of these are not included in discovering and living through an affair? It probably hit me harder because I've seen the tragic, ugly, bloody consequences of affairs first hand (part of my great childhood). But I'll take a PsyD's opinion over a message board. Plus, my PCP agrees with the diagnosis. They work together to treat me.

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Gman1 ( member #40879) posted at 8:17 PM on Thursday, July 10th, 2014

I am certain that I had it too for a few weeks. It was awful. I had twitches, zero appetite, sleeplessness, extreme forgetfulness of even basic daily tasks and the worst part was not having control of my thoughts every second of every day for several weeks. Bad stuff!

Yes, it is very real!

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Razor ( member #16345) posted at 8:17 PM on Thursday, July 10th, 2014

Similar. Sometimes my body will just convulse, sometimes it's more of a flashback trigger that makes my react. My doctor says it's a psychosomatic reaction. I don't have to be conscious of it.

I still get those but fortunately they are fleeting now. a second maybe 2 or 3 at the most. 90+% of the time I am aware of it but cant keep it from happening.

Mostly from triggers. Painful memories. Some memories brought on by things I see or hear. Others brought on by my internal dialogue.

Forgive and forget = Relive and regret.

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redsox13 ( member #43391) posted at 8:19 PM on Thursday, July 10th, 2014

Yes - my wife has from her infidelity. The memories she has suppressed are stunning.

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TheBestMe ( member #39476) posted at 8:20 PM on Thursday, July 10th, 2014

Me too. Raising hand...

PTSD can be the direct result of infidelity. Post discovery, I have had to undergo in house therapy and Zanax.

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seethelight ( member #43513) posted at 8:23 PM on Thursday, July 10th, 2014

Yes, it can cause full blown Post traumatic stress disorder.

A milder anxiety order is called: Post Infidelity stress disorder.

Apparently the more you trust your spouse not to cheat, the more anxiety learning of the cheating causes.

If the wayward continues to trickly truth important information, the post infidelity stress disorder can become entrenched as full blown PTSD.

Edited to add: I was diagnosed with PTSD due to trickle truth from my wayward.

Here is a link to an article:

http://www.healingafteraffairs-bloomington.info/infidelity/trauma-of-infidelity.html

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 sportsfan (original poster member #9918) posted at 8:32 PM on Thursday, July 10th, 2014

Excellent article, seethelight! Perhaps should be required reading for all newbies.

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rachelc ( member #30314) posted at 8:38 PM on Thursday, July 10th, 2014

yes and that is why recovery is so hard for us. Some guy posted on here a week ago maybe, how hard his wife's betrayal was for him, worse than combat because at least he knew the people trying to hurt him in war were supposed to hurt him. Not so with the person who should have your back.

I often sit back and think really? I'm recovering with someone who's actions have caused these awful symptoms and visions where I had to have about 20 EMDR sessions so I could actually live in the world?

[This message edited by rachelc at 2:39 PM, July 10th (Thursday)]

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seethelight ( member #43513) posted at 8:44 PM on Thursday, July 10th, 2014

Excellent article, seethelight! Perhaps should be required reading for all newbies.

Sportsfan:

Thank you and good idea.

how hard his wife's betrayal was for him, worse than combat because at least he knew the people trying to hurt him in war were supposed to hurt him. Not so with the person who should have your back.

Racelc:

Yes that's the crook of the issue in a nutshell.

“If two people truly have feelings for one another then they don’t have an affair. They get a divorce and they sort out their feelings. You are accountable for the people you hold hostage in a marriage when your mind and heart refuse to fully commit

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