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Wife's emotional affair

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Mrhealed ( member #46868) posted at 7:04 PM on Thursday, April 23rd, 2015

IMO it is a PA and she is deep into the fog.

NC is a must, she is just getting time to spend with OM while you take care of the kids.

Get a poly

Good luck

"Infidelity is not a victimless offense. If she cheats on me, then I am a victim. If she intentionally cheats on me then I am an intended victim." by DoneGone

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craig2001 ( member #55) posted at 7:08 PM on Thursday, April 23rd, 2015

O wow. These are some tough but appreciated post to read. Should I tell her tonight when she gets home cut ties tomorrow or one of us needs to get out as soon as Friday?

No, do not leave your house. If she wants to leave fine, it will prove abandonment by her. You do not leave your home!!!

You tell her that you refuse to live in a threesome or an open marriage.

Do not believe her that they have not had sex, why believe a word she has said to you.

And even more disturbing is her telling you, that she is not sure how she feels.

Tell her that you refuse to live in an open marriage.

Have you contacted this OM and make sure he knows you know, etc.

In order to stay married, your wife quits her job today. Sends a NC notice that you witness.

Give her the book Not Just Friends by Shirley Glass.

Her saying she does not want to cut off contact with him is basically telling you that you are now plan B. And that is not something you will accept.

Does her company have an HR dept, if so, contact them and complain about this guy.

SNOOP. Have her followed and watched. Put a GPS in her car. Put a VAR in her car.

Because I do doubt it is only an EA. If it is, and she continues, it will turn physical.

Do a background check on the OM.

Get the affair exposed to her parents. Because living in an open marriage and or becoming plan B was not why you got married to her.

You might consider talking to a lawyer right away. Finding out your options. Because sometimes, shocking a WW with divorce is the only way out of this hell.

Oh, and check her phone and communications. Has your wife allowed you to have access to all of her passwords?

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RealityBlows ( member #41108) posted at 8:18 PM on Thursday, April 23rd, 2015

Baseball, Just wanted to show support for all advice given so far. NO CONTACT. No physical, emotional contact. Sometimes EA's can run deeper than purely physical PA's. Basically, your wife is spending 40 plus hours a week with someone she fantasizes about and connected with on such an emotional level she has been willing to cross sacred boundaries for, and...only spends weekends with you. This is an impossible situation that SHE put herself in. You are just an innocent bystander that is forced to watch in horror the consequences, that she has brought on, play themselves out. So, don't be afraid to tell her you are NOT comfortable with this situation at all. If she is truly remorseful and committed to the marriage she should be willing to move Heaven and Earth to that end. If she is refusing to break contact with him, this is a huge red flag. She is putting him before you. Other posters warnings should be taken very seriously.

[This message edited by RealityBlows at 2:27 PM, April 23rd (Thursday)]

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 Baseball24 (original poster new member #47638) posted at 8:47 PM on Thursday, April 23rd, 2015

She is going to a marriage counselor individually. I would think that is a positive?

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RealityBlows ( member #41108) posted at 8:50 PM on Thursday, April 23rd, 2015

Not necessarily, many, many stories on here of Affairs continuing right on through MC, R and IC, and...vow renewing. They compartmentalize so well it's mind boggling. Please remember all this advise is based on the limited information you have provided us.

[This message edited by RealityBlows at 2:52 PM, April 23rd (Thursday)]

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toby ( member #10337) posted at 9:01 PM on Thursday, April 23rd, 2015

How did you find out? What did you find? Please be specific so we can offer the best advise.

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yearsofpain25 ( member #42012) posted at 9:03 PM on Thursday, April 23rd, 2015

And why do you think she's telling the MC the truth as to what's going on with her?

My mother has been in IC for 25 years and has never once spoken the truth. My mother is very selfish. A full blown narcissist. It's pretty easy to lie to an IC and just make it look like she's doing some work.

Any good MC would say that she can no longer see her AP and that she needs to go NC. Read Not Just Friends for some more info as to why, but it's like putting an alcoholic in a bar and saying don't drink while no one is looking.

Your WW is all about control and manipulation. Just because she's in IC/MC, don't think that she can't pull a fast one there too.

Take control Baseball!!! You can do this and you have a whole village here for support.

yop

"I remind myself of this. I am a survivor. I have taken all this world has dished out and am still here. So there is no reason to be afraid. Whatever happens, I will survive. So now onto living. It is time for me to thrive." - DrJekyll

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annb ( member #22386) posted at 9:06 PM on Thursday, April 23rd, 2015

Baseball, it is soooo difficult to find a GOOD IC/MC, one who is well-trained in infidelity.

Just another word of caution as many counselors truly give poor advice as they have no clue about infidelity and the trauma it causes.

If this counselor suggests she rugsweep her actions or you need to look forward and not back or suggests your wife needs to continue down this path of destruction to "find" herself, find another counselor.

However, without a TRULY remorseful spouse and NC in place, counseling IMO is a waste of time and energy.

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toomanyregrets ( member #37740) posted at 9:12 PM on Thursday, April 23rd, 2015

She does not want to cut off contact with him. I know she has a strong emotional connection with this guy. She wonders if it is something more.

The first thing she needs to do is cut all contact with the OM. If the have to work together the any contact should be work related ONLY !

If your WW has a problem with that, then there is more going on than just a EA.

BH - 66 - Retired
fWW - 62

"Affairs are not mistakes, they are a series of deliberate choices." - CrappyLife
"Regret is when you realize you broke your own heart.
Remorse is when you realize you broke someone else's." - Bla

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Fire96 ( member #34131) posted at 1:41 AM on Friday, April 24th, 2015

Baseball,

Tomanyregrets is right, if she balks at no contact, you have a real problem.

That said, I think many of us on here have a tendency to go overboard based on our own feelings and experiences. Not to say they are all wrong, but maybe a little harsh when we are so removed from your situation and dont really know all of the dynamics.

What you need to do is slow down, and take a breath. Youve got to let the emotions settle a little before you can map out where you are, and where your going. Your lost in the woods, so STOP and take a moment.

Firstly, whats happened has happened, and its water under the bridge. you cant change the past, and you more than likely had nothing to do with it.

Next, figure out what you want. Do you want to reconcile? What do you consider a deal breaker? How much detail do you want to know?

OK, now the truth, and you have to acknowledge it, your wife has been deceptive. She is a liar, and has been living two lives. You have to realize that, and also realize that she is not suddenly going to turn into Mother Theresa, if ever. She did it to save her fantasy world, and not to protect you. She will use that line about protecting you, so don't believe it.

From here on out, know that she has to earn her trust back. Every single thing, you must verify before you trust.

Foremost, "Trust Your Gut", and little else.

Start the 180, nuff said.

Do you want to know more? Ask her in a non threatening way. Make her feel safe, and despite what you hear, don't blow up. That's a tough one.

Insist an 100% transparency, no hidden passwords or email accounts. No secret texting app's.

Log on to you cell bills online, and check the call and date logs. Note the numbers and times.

Learn about her cell phone, and find out if you can read the sim card or deleted messages.

If her phone has a tracking app, use it.

Install a VAR in the car, or bathroom, or anywhere she uses the phone.

Consider a logger like eblaster, on the computer and phone.

Look at you bank accounts and transfers for irregularities.

One thing not mentioned here, is look in her underwear drawers. Women would never suspect we would look there for cards and letters.

Look in her purse for notes, numbers and cards.

I. like many of the others, insist on a No Contact letter. She writes it to your satisfaction, and you verify it is delivered.

Sit back and watch with your mind and gut. I mean really watch. Notice the way she reacts, and see if you FEEL the remorse. No regret, but REAL REMORSE. you should feel it in your soul.

After doing these things, along with some others, your gut will tell you if there is something more. If that happens, and I hope it doesnt, then come back for more support.

And remember, Don't make her a priority in your life, when your nothing more than an option in hers.

Fire

Me, BS-57
WW-52
DD, 1/9/2011
Filed for divorce 6/14
Divorce final 7/2015
Free at last, Free at last, Thank God Almighty I'm free at last!

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nononsense ( member #45598) posted at 1:58 AM on Friday, April 24th, 2015

Baseball,

You just got a good list of things to do. here is one more

She is telling you it is only EA and no one believes that here. You can buy semen detection kits and a number of BH have found out that way.

Don't ignore the signs especially on her personal habits

if she has always showered in morning before work and lately she showers at night . RED FLAG

if she nas never "shaved" down there and does now not at your request - RED FLAG

if her clothes are sexier and nicer now- RED FLAG

if she hardly ever went out with girlfriends and now all of a sudden has shopping trips, GNO- RED FLAGS.

You will be amazed at how many come on here and say all of the obvious signs were there. And do like you were told. Search her car, her lingerie drawer (and there better not be anything in there you have not seen), and her closets for a burner phone, notes (read anything you find).

Refusing to give up contact on an EA rarely turns out to be only that

BH - 50 (me)
WW- 48 (her)
M- 27 years
3 daughters- 26, 24, 21
DDay1 7/5/2014 (PA- 2 different OM)
DDay2 11/28/2014- setting up another meeting new OM
5/1/2015- Looks like we are making it.
8/3/2015- Reconciled but watchful
11/10/2015- We made it

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notanotherchance ( member #46677) posted at 2:11 AM on Friday, April 24th, 2015

BB24

Sorry you are here my man

You are heading down a slipery slope my friend. Your wife has faced no consequences, meanwhile you have bent over backwards.

To tell you her husband that she will not stop her EA with another man, continues to work with him, and continues to feed you morsels daily that you swallow because your wife is being honest. She is kicking you in the gonads.

You need to address this decisively if you have any hope as I believe she is deep in affairland right now and as others have suggested this has more than likely progressed to a PA as the guy side in this types of situations is after the honey pot and when the EA drags on the womman starts to feel she is losing her AP partner and then sex is on the table.

You need to see a lawyer draw up the D papers and set them in front of her face the next time she tells you how great you are, but she still needs and will not stop talking with the OM. They are papers that can be stopped at anytime. She needs to have it driven into her as to what the consequences are if she continues dierespecting you and your marriage.

You need to find out if the OM is married and contact his wife.

You woiuld be well advised to place a var inside her car or any where you see her using her phone in the house.

Keylogger for her computer or the home computer. Spyware on her phone.

The worse thing you could possibly do is to sit back and let her dictate how this story line is going to develop.Right now her emotional needs and very likely sexual needs are being met by her AP.

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Western ( member #46653) posted at 2:23 AM on Friday, April 24th, 2015

Her going to a marriage counselor individually is a positive thing ?

How about her going NC with this asshole. That would only be the start of a positive thing.

Snap out of the fog man. You are trying to find positives while she is actively in an affair.

You need to listen to the people here and follow their advice. Otherwise, you are doormat city.

I wish you the best

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Lionshare ( member #45172) posted at 4:04 AM on Friday, April 24th, 2015

I was in your shoes just over a year ago, so I know you are going through a difficult time.

The folks here have offered some great advice, and I don't have much to add to what they've shared with you.

I know some of it is hard to hear, but it's being shared with your best interest at heart.

The one thing I will chime in on is No Contact (NC). It really is necessary. My WW's OM was also a co-worker. I tried to live with an agreement of "NC except official work correspondence". But soon realized it wasn't something the marriage could endure. She started job hunting hard, then OM left the company for good. Otherwise she was going to have to leave her job. You just can't get the NC you need if they still work together.

You should hold her to her marriage vows. Choosing to keep the emotional attachment, or at this point any relationship with him, is choosing to end the marriage with you.

Good luck and all the best.

Me: BH
Her: fWW
DDay: Feb 2014
Long term A
R is a long road.

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Valentinessucks ( member #46486) posted at 12:47 PM on Friday, April 24th, 2015

PLEASE Heed everyone's advice.

We have no stake in the relationship other than to protect you. You may hear some harsh reality checks from others, but remember where the advice comes from. Experience. Sad, but true.

See a lawyer...like someone else said, DO NOT MOVE OUT. This will be used against you if there is no reconciliation.

Tell her to leave while she "figures things out."

This will shake her up. She cannot live with you and the children while she has a boyfriend.

So sorry you have found yourself here, but everyone is so helpful and wise. Keep posting for support.

Me: BS, 52 Him: WS, 68
Married 30 yrs; DDay E/A, 5/2012
2nd DDay, again E/A, broke NC 2/2014 Reconciling.

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LongWalk ( member #47512) posted at 1:28 PM on Friday, April 24th, 2015

What did you find on her phone?

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10yearsafter ( member #43139) posted at 7:05 PM on Friday, April 24th, 2015

She told you she did not want to cut all contact with this guy...and you said what. Ok that is fine.

You NEED to let her know it is not ok and if she does not cut off all contact right now in front of you she can get out now. Go ahead and have her shit packed and waiting by the door. Don't be a doormat. Stand up for yourself her telling you that is total disrespect.

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steppingup ( member #42650) posted at 7:13 PM on Friday, April 24th, 2015

She says she needs to figure out how this happened to her before she can move on with us.

Stalling tatic, she is weighing her options you or this other guy.

You have a fence sitter.

The proper response is "100% YOU and 0% HIM"

...that said, many women need to explore their feelings because they are very connected emotionally to their affair partner and wonder and have fantasy about what life would be like with their affair partner.

It is illusions of course can easy to fall into traps with emotional affairs because with affairs there is no friction no bills to pay and no poopy diapers to deal with, all easy, not hard.

Your WW needs to reflect on what weaknesses she has and why she runs to other men for emotional support.

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notanotherchance ( member #46677) posted at 7:29 PM on Friday, April 24th, 2015

You know the OM is single because.. your faithful loyal wife told you. Find out for sure. WS's almost always try to deflect attention away from the AP in order to save the AP and their families any type of embarassment or consequence.

She is using you as a babysitter while she gets to play love games with the OM. You are fighting a losing battle if you think that agreeing to her A logic is going to save your marriage.She is 100% disrespecting you!

And if as you say the last couple of years your marriage has been the best then I would hate to see what she could have acomplished if you two would have had some issues.

If she does not agree to the NC and the other requirements the tell her since she's checked out of the marriage she can check herself into the holiday inn tonight.

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Western ( member #46653) posted at 7:45 PM on Friday, April 24th, 2015

OP,

Notanotherchance is right. Sometimes, some Waywards try sparing the AP any consequences even though they didn't spare their own families the same courtesy. You can't always assume you come first as horrible a concept that is.

Notanotehrchance is also correct. If things were that good and she still did this, what would happen if things were bad ? and what will happen if things go bad again ?

How do you know he didn't fly down to Florida ?

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