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 Bassplay45 (original poster new member #61690) posted at 5:21 PM on Tuesday, December 5th, 2017

Last Wednesday 11/29 I came home unannounced and found my SO coming out of the shower. I could tell immediately something was horribly wrong by the look on her face and her desire to not have me go into the bedroom. Of course I went to the closet and there was someone she used to go to school with. They claimed they didn't have sex but as far as I'm concerned it doesn't matter; she was not dressed in a way that proved otherwise. We've been married for 12 years and this came out of left field; just a total blindside. I've been working 80 hrs a week to support her going back to school and now just realize how wrong that was; I haven't been around enough. When I would reach out for sex she would push me away. It's as if I'm here for her comfort and safety. We have two young children and I want to make things work and we are going to therapy in a few days but I honestly don't believe she understands the situation. She was diagnosed bipolar 2 and is taking her medication so there is a possibility she is in a manic mode. But honestly I have so much anger now (at the time I was just numb). She just says "oh I lost my mind". I brought up a specific instance where she told me this guy was getting creepy via texting around a year ago and she was going to cut it off. She now denies that ever happened; I know it did. She also has many guys' numbers that she has in her contacts but don't actually use their names. I think there is much more going on but I can't decide if I should wait until therapy to talk about it. She gets angry when I bring these things up but I also am just sick and tired........everything is possibility at this point.

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1Faith ( member #38975) posted at 5:34 PM on Tuesday, December 5th, 2017

Welcome Bass

To a club no one ever wanted to be a member of...so sorry you have found yourself here and hurting.

I am certainly no expert on bipolar disorder so I will leave that to others with more experience to respond to that specifically.

Please head up to the Healing Library in the upper left hand corner. Read all you can. There is a lot of relevant information there for you to consider.

Please know that nothing you did or didn't do caused your WW (wayward wife) to cheat.

I honestly don't believe she understands the situation

IMO, differentiating right from wrong is not a difficult concept. We all make mistakes but we KNOW that cheating is wrong.

Give yourself time to process and grieve but do so with eyes wide open.

The likelihood nothing happened is very slim. She was coming out of the shower naked and another man was hiding in your closet. Again, if she didn't know this was wrong why would he be hiding?

She gets angry when I bring these things up

Of course she does. If she can minimize what has actually occurred then she can go on with denying to you and herself what she's done to you, your marriage and your family.

I would seek IC (individual counseling) for myself to get a better grasp on how to best proceed for YOU going forward.

You deserve honesty and truth.

(((good luck)))

[This message edited by 1Faith at 3:41 PM, December 5th (Tuesday)]

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PlanC ( member #47500) posted at 5:36 PM on Tuesday, December 5th, 2017

In my experience when a bipolar becomes manic enough to become hypersexual, they are visibly manic. Has she been acting like someone high on cocaine? If not, then she is using her illness as an unwarranted excuse. On the other hand, if she is truly manic, then it is quite possible for her to do horrible things in her altered state. When mine was hypersexusl, she would look at porn excessively, sleep little, sometimes show mania in her eyes and speech patterns.

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DD 1: April 2013, confessed ONS June 2012
DD 2: March 2014, confessed affair August 2012 through March 2013
DD 3: October 2015, involuntarily confessed 5 additional ONS starting August 2014 through November 2014 (manic)

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numb&dumb ( member #28542) posted at 5:38 PM on Tuesday, December 5th, 2017

You are not able to reason with someone who is manic. Just doesn't work. She needs boundaries to ensure she doesn't damage herself or others during these episodes.

Meds can work, but it takes a lot of fining the right ones. Some meds make bipolar worse.

Has seen a P-doc ? By the sound of it medication won't be enough.

She really needs a treatment plan along with all that entails.

I haven't been around enough.

You can't blame yourself for this. It gives you a sense of "control" but it is an illusion. I really think therapy is a waste of time unless her condition is treated first.

BTDT. Therapy with someone in this state is just asking for more pain and anguish.

Keep posting.

It is not you. It is her. She needs the right kind of help before she has a chance of being the wife you deserve.

A polygraph would not be a bad idea. Also full transparency of all communication is a must. Credit cards you name it.

If school gets put on the back burner for awhile that is OK. This is your life.

FWIW you don't have to stay with her if you don't want to either. No shame in that. The kids need happy stable parents in their lives. Sometimes that just isn't possible with the parents staying together.

I am really sorry you are here, but I am glad you found us. Welcome to the last club you've ever wanted to join

Dday 8/31/11. EA/PA. Lied to for 3 years.

Bring it, life. I am ready for you.

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Dismayed2012 ( member #49151) posted at 5:41 PM on Tuesday, December 5th, 2017

Sorry to hear about your situation. It sounds like there IS much more going on than you know. It also sounds like she is not remorseful whatsoever. Until she's remorseful, joint therapy is not going to help. She needs to go to therapy be herself first in order to work some of her issues out. Once she arrives at the place where she knows she is wrong, then joint therapy can be fruitful.

She's not reconciliation material at this point. If she continues to get angry over your questions and come up with stupid excuses like "oh I lost my mind", then you're going to need to take harsh action.

In the mean-time you must protect yourself, your kids, and your assets. Take her name off of everything that you hold jointly. Set her up with a separate bank account that you allot money to. Keep possession of the home and kids. If anyone leaves it should be her, not you. Take over all finances, bills, and accounts. Put a tracker and data logger on her phone. Get access to all of her accounts; i.e. email, facebook, everything. Clamp down on her activities and behavior. If she doesn't like it, tough sh*t. Do it anyway. See a good 'mens' lawyer ASAP and see what your options are. Educate yourself on divorce and post-nuptial agreements. Stop paying for her education. She has time to screw other guys so she has time to get a job and find funding for herself. You are not her daddy anymore.

The most important thing you can do is to take your life back. Don't allow her to decide anything for you or your kids. You are now in control and she can take it or leave it. You can get through this; we all have or are in process of it. Take care of yourself.

Infidelity sucks. Freedom rocks.

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 Bassplay45 (original poster new member #61690) posted at 5:53 PM on Tuesday, December 5th, 2017

Thank you everyone. It's tough to tell if she's using the manic as a means of not taking responsibility; that could easily be a possibility. I am at a crossroads between two possibilities:

1. She just is done with our marriage and doesn't want to change.

2. She is in a manic mood and if she did do this during a manic episode I can't trust her with our kids.

Somewhere on here I saw a marriage is 50/50 but the affair is 100% her. This helps me a ton. I have been very careful with who i've told; really my pastor and a friend she's never met from a previous job. She was furious about me telling my friend and I just feel like she has no right to be angry. I asked how the day unfolded and she was angry. It's like "yes I need to fucking know! Tell me everything!"

Earlier in the year we had a mutual friend who has sex addiction issues. They were texting a whole lot and one day he started sending her x rated texts. She showed them to me but now looking back I have to wonder who was at fault for it. I almost lost it and ended up in jail. She may have had a physical affair but I know it was definately an emotional one. Thank you all for your responses; it really helps.

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H3LL0 ( member #47872) posted at 9:35 PM on Tuesday, December 5th, 2017

In the mean-time you must protect yourself, your kids, and your assets. Take her name off of everything that you hold jointly. Set her up with a separate bank account that you allot money to. Keep possession of the home and kids. If anyone leaves it should be her, not you. Take over all finances, bills, and accounts. Put a tracker and data logger on her phone. Get access to all of her accounts; i.e. email, facebook, everything. Clamp down on her activities and behavior. If she doesn't like it, tough sh*t. Do it anyway. See a good 'mens' lawyer ASAP and see what your options are. Educate yourself on divorce and post-nuptial agreements. Stop paying for her education. She has time to screw other guys so she has time to get a job and find funding for herself. You are not her daddy anymore.

Good advice.

My wife was severely abused as a child and never addressed it. She hooked up with a 2x convicted child molester and got involved in a swinger's lifestyle pretending to be married with child molester. She would find tributes for the molester (legal teen and women). She reached out to men on CL on her own too. Her default was repressing memory to avoid stress. If I would out her to anyone, she'd become violently physically abusive, out of control.

I was a paratrooper, firearms instructor and though definitely not HeMan, I can certainly hold my own. I had never swore at my wife or yelled at her... well that went out the window.

I've cussed her out, said she was no different than a crack whore but he difference is a crack whore at least gets money for being a whore even if its just 5 dollars.

I went over to the child molester's house and was going to take him out with a 30'06. Thankfully he skipped town...

Even through all of that, I was very very careful what I did physically to and around her as she accused me of abuse.

Carry a voice activated recorder with you or on your phone when you're around her or if you feel something is getting emotional. Store that stuff on an external storage site that only you have access to.

If she has a phone full of other men's contact, you know what she's up to.

Document EVERYTHING you can. Including that your son was with her in her home with another man. That is unsafe risky behavior for children to be around.

I'm a penetration tester. As soon as I knew there was a child molester involved, nothing was out of bounds. If she's in your home and you're not separated, there are some huge grey areas legally. There's software you can install on her phone to track all keystrokes, GPS location, phone calls, chat messages, take pictures stealthily etc... It may require rooting. If you cannot root her phone there are more limited software out there.

I absolutely do not suggest separate counselors. Real life example, my wife went to another counselor and was trying to make the case that she was being abused by me. I showed up one day with her to the counselor (big surprise for both). He asked her permission to talk to me and stupidly she agreed. For the next 15 minutes I unleashed at her activities, punching me, gouging my chest, ripping my clothes off, attempting to take illicit photos of a minor for child molester... lol the guy's jaw was dropped like wiley coyote. You see, she had only told him about "a" fling she had with a guy and not a pattern of disgusting out of control behavior. To the point where he didn't believe me so I pulled up the offsite image storage and showed him screenshots on CL of her advertisements, text screenshots etc. He asked if I'd ever abused her... I told her before this, I'd not even swore at her. Said after D-day, I've yelled and swore at her for refusing to tell the truth, claiming not being able to remember, and refusing to leave our home if she's going to continue. I asked the counselor, how do you handle it when your spouse refuses to leave, refuses to tell the truth and says you're abusing them because of it. I said she's pulling the victim card after setting off a nuclear explosion and still pointing the gun at me. He asked why I then don't leave... I said can I and keep custody of my children if I leave them in the home or take them with me and she claims abuse and that I'm trying to take her children?

The counselor brought her in, asked her some very pointed questions about her behavior and she admitted to it all.

Counselor then stopped and referred her to what he said, a long term sexual addictions therapy that had emphasis on childhood traumas. He said he could continue to see her, I or both but that it wouldn't help anything if the root isn't cared for. Long story for, I wouldn't at all go to different counselors ESPECIALLY if she's bipolar.

As bad as everything I've been through, my wife and I are still together and we've been in meaningful and real recovery since the beginning of the year. My wife is doing heavy work towards her healing and she has the innocent admiration in her eyes again towards me. I can see it in her eyes and know that it is real.

Right now you need proof and a case to cover yourself for child custody. How many women claim abuse especially when they think they're going to loose their children? Do you want your child growing up with a mom who has a revolving door? Do you want that child under your wife who can't control her emotions and you're not around to balance that? Is that the future you want for your child? Do you want some other man parenting your child?

She has control over you and you need to take your life back, take control of the situation and get on the higher ground. Reconciliation works when the offended controls the terms, not when the cheater does.

If you allow her to continue this, you'll despise her and one day hurt her. How can a real man take the fact that his girl is sleeping around like a whore? That causes rage, hurt and confusion in a man and you've got to get control of the situation.

With that said, you need to start journaling for yourself. Make sure you eat, sleep and drink... If you've got to sleep in another room, do so. That will help not compound how you're feeling with exhaustion. Take up a new physical hobby, cut her school and reclaim your time at home with your son. Take him out if you need so its just you and him but be sure it isn't perceived as stealing by telling her you're going out with him and when you'll be back.

I reached out to every OM I could find and told them to go away. BE CAREFUL if you choose to do this. I knew how to make a point without outright threatening. I also didn't blame them, I blamed my wife. She reached out to them on CL, they were just fish in a pond and she was fishing. Maybe wrong idea but it helped me not kill someone except for the 2x convicted child molester.

Hope this helps you... there are other men who have gone through almost exactly what you are going through. You will be able to reclaim your life, you will be able to dream of the future again. You are on a 2-5 year path of healing whether you stay or leave her. This is a path that only time can heal. There are no shortcuts or ways around it.

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4 Children
Married 19 yrs; DDay 3/2015
2nd DDay 4/2015 3rd DDay 5/2015, Breach of NC 4/2016, 9/2016, 10/2016, 12/2016
Started Real Reconciliation Feb/2017

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ISurvived7734 ( member #60205) posted at 10:17 PM on Tuesday, December 5th, 2017

First, if you are not sure she is having a manic episode then she's not. Period. If her bipolar was severe enough to cause a mania that could possibly excuse fucking an old friend in your bed while you worked to support her advanced education - believe me, you would know it. A true manic break is scary and the only way down from it is hospitalization and careful use of drug therapy to get the person back to a more even keel. It's not just feeling energized & happy - it's true "crazy".

found my SO coming out of the shower. I could tell immediately something was horribly wrong by the look on her face and her desire to not have me go into the bedroom. Of course I went to the closet and there was someone she used to go to school with. They claimed they didn't have sex

If it wasn't so horribly hurtful this would be comical. You say it doesn't matter but I can see through your facade on that. It matters big-time but you are not ready to let that thought and those images into your brain. You will realize how ridicules her story is and find out about the sex soon enough so brace yourself.

When the husband walks in and catches his wife in the act the marriage is dead. Now, you didn't see them humping but what you did see qualifies as walking in on them in the act. Your marriage is dead. Don't waste anymore time on this woman. After you divorce her the only regret you will have is wasting any time wondering what you should do next. You know this is true - do you have the courage to save yourself?



"I always look both ways when crossing a one-way street. That's how much faith I have in humanity..."

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BYE-Bipolar ( member #41615) posted at 11:19 PM on Tuesday, December 5th, 2017

Bassplay45:

I am a long-term survivor in a bipolar marriage. I am providing , here, some notes that I have given to others on this site. I hope the following will be of value to you in analyzing your situation…

Symptoms of Bipolar Mania

Mania: The ideas start coming too fast and there are far too many ... overwhelming confusion replaces clarity ... you stop keeping up with it … memory goes. Infectious humor ceases to amuse. Your friends become frightened ... everything is now against the grain ... you are irritable, angry, frightened, uncontrollable, and trapped.

If you have three or more of the mania symptoms below most of the day -- nearly every day -- for one week or longer, you may be having a manic episode of bipolar disorder:

*Excessive happiness, hopefulness, and excitement

*Sudden changes from being joyful to being irritable, angry, and hostile

*Restlessness, increased energy, and less need for sleep

*Rapid talk, talkativeness

*Distractibility

*Racing thoughts

*High sex drive

*Tendency to make grand and unattainable plans

*Tendency to show poor judgment, such as impulsively deciding to quit a job

*Inflated self-esteem or grandiosity -- unrealistic beliefs in one's ability, intelligence, and powers; may be delusional

Increased reckless behaviors (such as lavish spending sprees, impulsive sexual indiscretions, abuse of alcohol or drugs, or ill-advised business decisions)

Some people with bipolar disorder become psychotic, hearing things that aren't there. They may hold onto false beliefs, and cannot be swayed from them. In some instances, they see themselves as having superhuman skills and powers -- even consider themselves to be god-like. AND THEY CAN BE DANGEROUS!

The alternate state to mania is clinical depression. She would have exhibited depression prior to the suspected mania. DID THIS HAPPEN??? If not she could be faking mania as a defense mechanism. The mania phase, if severe, will be easily discernible, as there should be other unmistakable symptoms as well as the sexual proclivities.

There is no "cure"! There is only medication for this condition. The medication comes from a qualified medical professional, (i.e. a psychiatrist), and this after some time in psychiatric treatment during which she would be diagnosed, and prescription(s) provided. Again, there is no "cure".

Believe me, being married into this situation IS NO FUN. I have 20+ years of experience with a bipolar wife, (we've been married for 50+ years) and have seen nearly all of the listed symptoms more than once.

IF she is suspected of bipolarism, then she deserves proper diagnosis and ongoing treatment before you throw the hand grenade into the Jello. BEING BIPOLAR IS A MENTAL ILLNESS, NOT A PUNISHABLE OFFENSE, (in my opinion).

I am an experienced layman, NOT a medical professional.

Questions? By all means ask away…were here to help.

Bye-Bipolar

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Unhinged ( member #47977) posted at 11:29 PM on Tuesday, December 5th, 2017

She was diagnosed bipolar 2

Hello Bassplay. Welcome to SI.

I've been a member of SI for about 2 1/2 years. I've heard all sorts of 'whys' for infidelity. Of them all, bipolar disorders make the 'most' sense, in a very relative way. I can't speak for your WW, of course, but I do know, because I've 'seen' it happen here, that a WW with a dipolar disorder can own and fix her shit. It is possible, if she's willing to do what's necessary to bring it under control and learn to accept it.

Married 2005
D-Day April, 2015
Divorced May, 2022

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BYE-Bipolar ( member #41615) posted at 11:34 PM on Tuesday, December 5th, 2017

Unhinged:

Yes, I see that in his post. I'm guilty of "cut and paste" and failure to properly proof read…

I guess I should have done it right the first time!

Sorry, to all.

Bye-Bipolar

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NoMercy ( member #54563) posted at 1:25 PM on Wednesday, December 6th, 2017

In the mean-time you must protect yourself, your kids, and your assets. Take her name off of everything that you hold jointly. Set her up with a separate bank account that you allot money to. Keep possession of the home and kids. If anyone leaves it should be her, not you. Take over all finances, bills, and accounts. Put a tracker and data logger on her phone. Get access to all of her accounts; i.e. email, facebook, everything. Clamp down on her activities and behavior. If she doesn't like it, tough sh*t. Do it anyway. See a good 'mens' lawyer ASAP and see what your options are. Educate yourself on divorce and post-nuptial agreements. Stop paying for her education. She has time to screw other guys so she has time to get a job and find funding for herself. You are not her daddy anymore.

I couldn't agree with this MORE if I tried.

Sounds as though she's got a built-in excuse for shitty behavior. When she does something shitty, she can just claim "I lost my mind" and apparently, that's her 'get out of jail free' card. Damn, I want a deal like this!!

Just making sure I understand - she 'lost her mind' to the point where she was conducting a secret affair SUCCESSFULLY under your nose for about a year. Not only was she successfully doing THAT on a daily basis, but she was even cunning enough to use your house for their trysts while you weren't home (God knows HOW many times she did that before you caught her), AND she tried to deflect you away from the bedroom when you came home unexpectedly because she didn't want you to find out.

So to me, this doesn't sound like a 'crazy' person at all. It sounds like a person who was very cognizant of everything she was doing and very much aware of every move she made and every lie she told in order to keep you in the dark. And she did it consistently for about a year. That doesn't sound like a 'manic' person or hyper-sexual person at all. She was acting NO different than the other 60,000+ cheaters talked about on this website.

Nothing about HER situation is unique. At all.

I am curious as to what happened after you caught her on D-Day. Did she suddenly 'find her mind' again after having 'lost' it for a year?

Because I have to say, that timing would sure be serendipitous if that's what happened. Yes siree.

Call her out on her bullshit, Bassplay. Don't let her hide behind her mental illness or you can expect a lifetime of this crap.

Don't cling to a mistake just because you took so long making it.

Some people aren't loyal to you - they are loyal to their NEED of you. Once their needs change, so does their loyalty...

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Lionne ( member #25560) posted at 1:43 PM on Wednesday, December 6th, 2017

All of the posters with advice about bipolar are correct. But BP 2 is tricky. The rapid cycling doesn't always happen, often the mania is outwardly fleeting. In addition, you've known her for years, you may have been used to the changes and not noticed them as abberent.

Both my husband and son are bipolar addicts. I believe their addictions were attempts to self medicate. Both are on meds, albeit different meds, but that alone didn't enable recovery. Meds made recovery possible, they still had to do the hard work.

She needs her own counselor, you need yours. But you do need permission to see hers for the sake of keeping things honest.

You certainly shouldn't punish a mental illness, but no way the offender shouldn't take responsibility. Few are so psychotic they don't have any rational side.

Likewise, you aren't compelled to stay. This might be a dwal breaker for you. Those mind movies alone would kill me. Forget about the sickness and health crap. Think of your OWN health.

Me-BS-65 in May<BR />HIM-SAFWH-68<BR />I just wanted a normal life.<BR />Normal trauma would have been appreciated.

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PlanC ( member #47500) posted at 2:40 PM on Wednesday, December 6th, 2017

Let me try again.

Based on my experience not all manic waves are the same. When my xWW has smaller waves, her thinking is altered but she very much knows what she is doing. In these smaller waves, she is responsible for her actions in my opinion. And her mania does not necessarily show.

But in major episodes, her mania shows. Not all the time, but it is certainly there. And she will be in a swath of self destruction. My xWW has: filed police and FBI reports about a vast conspiracy, believed that she was the descendant of Jesus, and other remarkable things during these times.

In short: if she has been acting normal, hold her accountable. And if she has been acting like a maniac, then don’t hold her responsible.

[This message edited by PlanC at 8:41 AM, December 6th (Wednesday)]

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DD 1: April 2013, confessed ONS June 2012
DD 2: March 2014, confessed affair August 2012 through March 2013
DD 3: October 2015, involuntarily confessed 5 additional ONS starting August 2014 through November 2014 (manic)

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BYE-Bipolar ( member #41615) posted at 4:39 PM on Wednesday, December 6th, 2017

PLAN C’S FIRST POST:

In my experience when a bipolar becomes manic enough to become hypersexual, they are visibly manic.

PLAN C’S SECOND POST:

Based on my experience not all manic waves are the same. When my xWW has smaller waves, her thinking is altered but she very much knows what she is doing. In these smaller waves, she is responsible for her actions in my opinion. And her mania does not necessarily show.

But in major episodes, her mania shows. Not all the time, but it is certainly there. And she will be in a swath of self destruction. My xWW has: filed police and FBI reports about a vast conspiracy, believed that she was the descendant of Jesus, and other remarkable things during these times.

In short: if she has been acting normal, hold her accountable. And if she has been acting like a maniac, then don’t hold her responsible.

NO MERCY’S last post:

Because I have to say, that timing would sure be serendipitous if that's what happened. Yes siree.

In my experience the manic episodes varied in severity and duration, typically from one to three months, and from mild - barely noticeable, to raging, aggressive, and antagonistic, (among other behaviors).

If you have not done so, reread NO MERCY’S last post in full, as there is food for thought there. While bipolar mania may have been a root enabler of her behavior, it really does sound like she’s kinda-sorta overplaying it a little bit...maybe.

And yes, there was a manifestation of paranoia in my wife’s episodes, as well (re: the filings).

Hope this helps you a little. By the way, I went to a counselor to learn how to cope with this situation. It helped me a lot!

Bye-Bipolar

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notanotherchance ( member #46677) posted at 4:49 PM on Wednesday, December 6th, 2017

sorry

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notanotherchance ( member #46677) posted at 4:52 PM on Wednesday, December 6th, 2017

I came home unannounced and found my SO coming out of the shower. I could tell immediately something was horribly wrong by the look on her face and her desire to not have me go into the bedroom. Of course I went to the closet and there was someone she used to go to school with. They claimed they didn't have sex

Last time I heard a story that ridiculous I was in the middle of a snow ball fight in Hawaii.

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