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Finally talked to wife about all sex details of her affair

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 MinnisotaManInWi (original poster member #65631) posted at 3:09 AM on Saturday, August 11th, 2018

First I want to say how sad, pathetic, disgusting, painful and unfair it is to have to a conversation with my wife who I have been faithful to for 27 years ( including dating ) concerning my feelings of sexual worthlessness because she fucked another man while married to me. This conversation should never have been required.

The results of the conversation were about as expected with an exception. Please note I told her all these questions and answers will be polygraphed. I think she was fairly honest in her answers because some of them were brutal and risked her self-interest.

The exception was that the AP could not orgasm without pulling out of her vagina or mouth and masturbating until completion. This led to him ejaculating all over my wife's body. She estimates she fucked him about 50 times on 40 days. He apparently figured out that she likes to swallow so he ejaculated the last 30 times in her mouth. Before the final 30 ejaculations he ejaculated all over her body including lower abdomen, stomach, breasts, mouth, and ass. He primarily ejaculated on her breasts because they are quite voluptuous.

They had intercourse in all the usual positions but mostly in cowgirl and doggy. I am not surprised he chose cowgirl and doggy style. These are the two positions where the man can best view her breasts and ass which are the most attractive parts of her body. These two positions are my favorite two positions with my wife. They are now commoditized. This makes me want to vomit.

They did all the usual sex acts except anal ( I never cared about anal. We have done it enough to know neither of us are into it ) and he did not give her oral. Receiving oral is her favorite sex act and the only way she can orgasm. ( Her second favorite sex act is not intercourse rather it is giving oral ) According to her she never orgasmed with him because he never gave her oral. I mostly believe he did not give her oral because she gave other brutal answers that hurt me and violated her self-interest such as ejaculating all over her body and addressing my concerns about penis size.

She did admit he had a larger penis than me. She said she considered me normal range and considered him large. This of course causes me significant pain and stress but I had prepared for it for a few weeks by reading many threads on Reddit containing thousands of comments from females on penis size. I also read many articles and research reports on penis size from the female point of view.

I asked her how a bigger penis felt inside of her. She told me it felt better on entering and for the first 60 seconds when it was inside but had no difference when in motion. I dont know if this is true or minimization. It could be true if her vagina accommodated after 60 seconds or it lubricated to the point of significant decrease in friction.

I read enough on Reddit to know that women have variable opinions on penis size ( this was actually new information to me. I had no idea how variable female opinion are on penis size).

I found a study that showed women who can orgasm from penetration care about penis size more than women who dont orgasm from penetration. My wife has never orgasmed from penetration. She told me there was no difference in getting fucked by my smaller penis versus his larger penis once the motion started. Additionally, she pointed out that her favorite vibrator is her smaller six inch toy not her larger rabbit vibrators. She also reminded me of conversations we had in the past about using smaller rather than larger vibrators. She said she only feels the first few inches of the toy pressing around her intritus ( vaginal opening ) and on the exact point the toy is touching on the vaginal wall within the first few inches of the intritus. She does not feel much past the first few inches of the vagina. Apparently this sensitivity pattern is not unique to her. Most of the nerve ending in the vagina are in the first few inches.

I dont know if she was minimizing the effect of his larger penis but I am glad I asked. It is painful and humiliating to know my wife fucked another man with a larger penis than me after 27 years of monogamy but that is reality now.

The most important question I asked was "Did you enjoy sex more with the AP or me?" She said without a doubt it was me. She said it was because she loved me, we had better chemistry, she trusted me completely and I gave her oral to orgasm every time. I generally believe this. She had a PA only ( no emotions ) with this man and previously told me she ended it because the relationship and sex got boring over time ( I posted previously on SI that she told me she ended it because the relationship and the sex got boring ). She got what she wanted from the affair and quit the affair.

The two most important questions for me were penis size and better sex. I lost one and won the other. I should never have to compete with another man inside my marriage.

My wife fucked another man and made me feel sexually worthless. It was incredibly disappointing we had to have this conversation because my wife betrayed me and fucked another man. The humiliation of having this conversation was approximately as bad as knowing the AP had a bigger penis than me.

[This message edited by MinnisotaManInWi at 9:10 PM, August 10th (Friday)]

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OwningItNow ( member #52288) posted at 3:16 AM on Saturday, August 11th, 2018

She got what she wanted from the affair

What was that, according to her?

me: BS/WS h: WS/BS

Reject the rejector. Do not reject yourself.

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 MinnisotaManInWi (original poster member #65631) posted at 3:19 AM on Saturday, August 11th, 2018

OwningItNow-

She wanted sex only.

She may have appreciated the kibbles but I don't think she has an understanding of that dynamic yet.

[This message edited by MinnisotaManInWi at 9:20 PM, August 10th (Friday)]

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Ripped62 ( member #60667) posted at 3:21 AM on Saturday, August 11th, 2018

MM

Now please work on healing. Do not give your wife this power over you. She has already proven she is wayward. It is time for her to do the work.

If this is a deal breaker then file for divorce but do not allow yourself to spiral out of control.

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Ripped62 ( member #60667) posted at 3:24 AM on Saturday, August 11th, 2018

Why did she only want sex if her favorite was cunnlingus and he did not perform it?

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 MinnisotaManInWi (original poster member #65631) posted at 3:25 AM on Saturday, August 11th, 2018

Ripped-

It was humiliating but I don't think it is a deal breaker yet.

I have to be prepared to lose my business to divorce her. I am not ready for that.

[This message edited by MinnisotaManInWi at 9:26 PM, August 10th (Friday)]

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 MinnisotaManInWi (original poster member #65631) posted at 3:28 AM on Saturday, August 11th, 2018

Ripped-

I don't think she knew his sexual repertoire before she fucked him.

Also., he is good looking. He is better looking than I am so I am sure she enjoyed that aspect.

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SoulCrushed16 ( member #53364) posted at 3:35 AM on Saturday, August 11th, 2018

If the sex was better WITH YOU, why keep getting fucked by AP over 50 times within a 40 day period? And NEVER orgasm? But orgasms with you each time and just fine?... I understand people can have sexual relationships without any emotions attached to them... but why keep something going if she wasn’t getting anything out of it if it was indeed JUST sex??

"The best day of my life is the rest of my life without you " --- SC16

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 MinnisotaManInWi (original poster member #65631) posted at 3:42 AM on Saturday, August 11th, 2018

Soul crushed-

She obviously liked the sex.

If he didn't give her oral then she didn't have an orgasm.

I don't think she would be honest about all the other brutal details then lie about orgasms.

She may have been getting kibbles but I don't think she understands that concept yet.

[This message edited by MinnisotaManInWi at 9:43 PM, August 10th (Friday)]

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Ripped62 ( member #60667) posted at 3:50 AM on Saturday, August 11th, 2018

But after the first time she would know.

Please understand I am not advocating divorce or reconciliation. This is a choice you will have to make based upon whether or not she will do the work to rebuild the marriage and become a safe spouse.

Do you think she would sign a post nuptial agreement to remain married? Are they legal in Wisconsin.

Do you know this guys occupation? How did your WW meet him? Has she gone no contact and provided you with transparency of electronic devices and applications?

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Ripped62 ( member #60667) posted at 3:51 AM on Saturday, August 11th, 2018

One other question is the other man married?

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WilliamM ( member #60910) posted at 3:57 AM on Saturday, August 11th, 2018

Your update was sad. Do you fear her cheating again? What will keep her faithful in the future? Praying for both of you.

All things are possible.

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SoulCrushed16 ( member #53364) posted at 4:01 AM on Saturday, August 11th, 2018

Ripped,

Post Nuptials are very legal is Wisconsin actually. I have a friend who had his whore of a wife sign one upon his deployment. SURPRISE, she fucked one of his friends and forfeited her half of EVERYTHING, including alimony. 23 years of marriage and she walks away with nothing. She tried very hard though to get half of his business as well as his pension... NOPE.

Maybe Minnisota might consider that. Just add an infidelity clause to it. At any point from now and into the future should she cheat, she gets shit, except of course CS.

"The best day of my life is the rest of my life without you " --- SC16

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 MinnisotaManInWi (original poster member #65631) posted at 4:01 AM on Saturday, August 11th, 2018

Other man is not married.

I do not think she has the skills to R - I do not she is emotionally intelligent for R.

She is not remorseful now but she

Is regretful.

She is NC.

She is fully transparent.

He is a friend of a friend.

He is a salesman of some sort- I don't know where.

I do not fear her cheating in the short term.

[This message edited by MinnisotaManInWi at 10:02 PM, August 10th (Friday)]

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 MinnisotaManInWi (original poster member #65631) posted at 4:04 AM on Saturday, August 11th, 2018

SoulCrushed

Some women on this site have stated they kept going back for bad sex because they wanted the kibbles.

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OwningItNow ( member #52288) posted at 5:22 AM on Saturday, August 11th, 2018

Some women on this site have stated they kept going back for bad sex because they wanted the kibbles.

I think that is our point. She didn't want sex. She wanted ego kibbles so had sex. 40 lousy times.

But . . . what's wrong with her? Why did she need ego kibbles? How does she know she won't need them again? What is she doing to unearth the deeper answers to these questions?

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antlered ( member #46011) posted at 5:22 AM on Saturday, August 11th, 2018

It's a huge blow for sure. Has your IC prepared you for this? When this happened did you schedule an extra appointment with them?

"Being cheated on was at once the worst and best thing that has ever happened to me.

"There is a huge amount of strength to be had from walking the path of integrity."

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 MinnisotaManInWi (original poster member #65631) posted at 5:28 AM on Saturday, August 11th, 2018

Antlered-

It could have been a lot worse.

If she would have said she preferred sex with him our relationship probably would have been over.

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ibonnie ( member #62673) posted at 5:55 AM on Saturday, August 11th, 2018

The two most important questions for me were penis size and better sex. I lost one and won the other. I should never have to compete with another man inside my marriage.

First let me day that I'm so sorry that you're going through this MMiW. None of us should, but that's the shitty situation all of BSs have found ourself in.

She told me there was no difference in getting fucked by my smaller penis versus his larger penis once the motion started.

Everyone is different, but IMO, size doesn't matter nearly as much as skill -- and a large part of skill is just communicating and paying attention to what the other person likes. I've slept with my fair share of people. My fWS is well-endowed, and I was always happy with our sex life. Aside from him, the "best sex" I've ever had was with someone that I didn't particularly like very much, and who's penis was average/leaning towards the smaller end. And honestly, once things are underway, if you're enjoying yourself, you're enjoying yourself. I don't think most women (or at least the ones I know) think things like, "gee, I wish he had an extra inch," especially if they're with someone that is down for cunnilingus.

If she would have said she preferred sex with him our relationship probably would have been over. 

The hard thing though, is that she's not saying that now, but that's not what her actions showed previously, right? It's like when I finally found out about the A, my WS would say shit like, "I would never choose her over you." Then his actions who be the exact opposite, because I later found out he was doing things like calling in sick to work on the weekend shift when we could have been spending time together as a family, so he could go and spend the day with his AP instead. Gee... sure felt like he was choosing her over me.

"I will survive, hey, hey!"

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The1stWife ( Guide #58832) posted at 7:11 AM on Saturday, August 11th, 2018

It makes no sense.

She likes the sex better with you b/c she loves you.

Yet she kept going back for more sex with him.

I’m sorry I just don’t understand her answers. Or her.

I think if you intend to R - you need to move on from this aspect of the A. You have the details. Everything you claim you needed to know.

Because these are the details they will ravage your sanity and rational side and could make R impossible for you.

My H wanted to D me during his A. The OW swears there was no sex and so did he. Do I belueve them? Depends upon your definition of sex. Maybe there was no intercourse but I believe there was sexual contact. I moved on from it. She may have been 20 years younger - so??? My confidence stopped me from comparing myself against her. Because I would never date a married man. I am not that low class. I do have pride and morals.

I learned not to get hung up on details b/c down the road they are less important. I am 5 years from DDay and R.

In time I think you will agree

[This message edited by The1stWife at 1:14 AM, August 11th (Saturday)]

Survived two affairs and brink of Divorce. Happily reconciled. 11 years out from Dday. Reconciliation takes two committed people to be successful.

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