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Am I doing enough ??

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xhz700 ( member #44394) posted at 5:02 PM on Thursday, January 10th, 2019

Do you have a plan to address your drinking?

Behold! The field in which I grow my fucks.

Lay thine eyes upon it, and thou shalt see that it is barren.

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RocketRaccoon ( member #54620) posted at 7:38 AM on Friday, January 11th, 2019

BB,

A few simple rules that must not be broken by you:

1. The words that "he just needed to get over it" should NEVER EVER be uttered again. Even in your deepest darkest moments. YOU put him through his hell, so YOU should be the one helping him 'get over it' (BTW, he will never 'get over it', and will stay with him forever, so you will have to live with 'it'). This memory will stay with him forever, however, the intensity may diminish over time, but it will be dependent on how you help heal your BH.

2. As a few other have mentioned, STOP drinking. This is your 'go to' excuse to have an affair. All your As seem to be centered around acting like an immature teenager. If you have any respect for your BH or your crumbling M, ditch the alcohol.

3. Stop flirting, unless you want to hurt your BH more. You are a married woman. Why would you want to attract another man? 'What's the harm with flirting?' you may ask..... well, seeing where you are at the moment....

4. No more non-work contact with other men.

At your IC sessions, please get them to help you work on your boundaries, as there are none at the moment.

As yo have posted, your BH is now experiencing ED, and as you have probably guessed right, due to your actions. His mind will be filled with images of what you did with your APs, and will be feeling useless and 'not a man'. You have castrated him in his mind.

If you truly want to try and R, then you will need to show your BH that his healing is your #1 priority. Yes, you will also have to work on yourself, to make yourself a safer partner. A day has 24hrs, so please don't say that you don't have enough time to work on both your BH and yourself.

You had enough time and energy to devote to your As, so your BH deserves much more effort if you really want to have a chance at R.

You cannot cure stupid

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Butforthegrace ( member #63264) posted at 1:01 PM on Friday, January 11th, 2019

I would echo the above apropos of the "get over it" comment. You should never, ever, not once, say anything around the idea of your BH getting over it. He will never be over it. If you two R, your A will be the "plus one" in your relationship forever, looking over your shoulder while the two of you at in bed, etc. You created this. You need to be prepared to live with it.

Second, inject some multiple of energy into R that you have previously injected into flirting with and/or seeking attention from other men.

"The wicked man flees when no one chases."

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totallydumb ( member #66269) posted at 4:04 PM on Friday, January 11th, 2019

Hi BetterBoat19,

BH here. I don't often read or post on the wayward side forum. Your story is one of the reasons why.

There are so many similarities between your story and my first marriage that I almost think I am replying to my XW.

What I am about to share is not meant to hurt you, and I apologize in advance if this is the case.

First, this marriage ended almost 21 years ago. The marriage lasted 13 years. During the marriage, my XW was engaged in a lot of the infidelity activities that you have also experienced. The sex at a wedding, friends and family witnessing some of this and telling her not to share this with me, the use of alcohol, seeking attention of other men in front of the husband, sex with someone else while on the phone with me. Problems with ED post affairs, the "get over it" comment, and on and on.

In your first post on this thread, the one word that "jumps" out a lot to me is the word "I".

Go and look at that post. How many "I"s do you count? Now, look for how many times you reference you spouse.... Be honest with yourself, is there self centeredness there?

In that first post there is very little about how you are helping your BS heal. In fact, throughout all your posts I have trouble finding anything related to how you are helping him heal. The only reference that I can see, is you claim to be totally transparent. If so, that is a good start.

I also don't see much in the way of consequences for you. Very little exposure, still at the same job, etc. From your posts, it seems there has been over 10 years of rug sweeping.

Here is my fear he lived in my betrayal for 10 years and we never really talked about it and when we did it was always directed at what I did and how I could do such a thing which I get but it was very hard for me to hear.

Doesn't this sound like you want to rug sweep? Poor you, don't want to hear it? Look around this site, read some other threads, your BS is going to have to go through this again and again and again. Even more so, if you have not been 100% honest. Most BSs have a "sixth sense" when our WW are lying to us. Perhaps it is because after 10 plus years of lies, we instinctively know when the wayward is lying most times.

I told him one time a few years after that he just needed to get over it and we never again talked about it.

My XW said the same thing to me, and we never again talked about it. The strange thing is I remember that discussion as if it happened yesterday. I even remember the smells in the room, the way she had her hair in a ponytail, the cloths she was wearing, the shoes she had on her feet. But most of all, I remember the expression she had on her face as she uttered those words "just get over it".

Please talk with your BS about this, if he is like me, there is a lot of pain there. Damn it, over 20 fucking years ago and it still makes me cry. Don't let this go on for 20 years!

So yes to answer your questions I am remorseful, I am transparent, I have cut off any contact, and I understand the damage I have caused and I hate myself for it. I came looking for help from others that have been where I have and seek advice. I am ready and willing to do the work.

What does remorse look like to you? There isn't much in the way of remorse that I see in these sentences. How many "I"s do you count? More like selfishness, not remorse.

I can’t walk away and i do love him. I want to be a better person and not let this ever happen again.

Then start looking at yourself, find out your true "whys" and fix them. Don't be so quick to blame the alcohol, or some other substance. They may have been a contributing factor. That is your first impulse.

"All I have to do is not drink and I am a better person."

I believe you are going to have to dig deeper into yourself to find your whys. Don't accept the first excuse that comes to you. Be willing to go a little farther.

A few years ago, an old friend told me that I should never go into my own mind alone, it is a scary place. Go with a good therapist to help you find your way.

Find yourself a good therapist. And just like finding your whys, don't accept the first therapist that agrees with you. A good therapist should challenge you to dig deeper, and encourage you to be brutally honest with yourself.

If you see your ex with someone else--don't be jealous. Our parents taught us to give our old,used toys to the less fortunate.

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josiep ( member #58593) posted at 4:19 PM on Friday, January 11th, 2019

It's my personal opinion, but a very strongly held personal opinion, that nothing in your lives or marriage is going to improve until you go to AA and he goes to AlAnon and you both learn the program and live it and also see an alcohol counselor.

Alcohol is the cause of so much pain in this world. And too many of us don't realize that we can't control what alcohol does to us (Step 1 in the 12 step programs). Alcohol makes you do terrible things. And there's nothing you can do to make that chemical reaction have a difference chemical reaction. If that makes sense....

Anyway, you can attend meetings, you can read online, there are YouTube videos and podcasts and even online meetings. It's free and checking it out can't hurt anything so if you really want to find a way to make your life better, why not take a look and see?

BW, was 67; now 74; M 45 yrs., T 49 yrs.DDay#1, 1982; DDay#2, May, 2017. D July, 2017

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fooled13years ( member #49028) posted at 6:36 PM on Friday, January 11th, 2019

BetterBoat19 - whether you are in a healthy relationship/marriage or trying to recover from infidelity you should never ask "am I doing enough". The question you should always ask, regardless of the type of relationship you are in, is "am I doing everything I can or am I settling on doing just enough?" Do everything you can to let your partner know that they are the most important person in the world to you, meet every one of their wants, desires and needs then wake up the next day and do it all again every day. If your partner does the same thing for you the two of you will have a great relationship.

I removed myself from infidelity and am happy again.

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DogsnBooks ( member #62093) posted at 4:12 PM on Saturday, January 12th, 2019

Are you doing enough? Seems to me live you’ve done nothing but make things harder for him.

he lived in my betrayal for 10 years and we never really talked about it and when we did it was always directed at what I did and how I could do such a thing which I get but it was very hard for me to hear. I told him one time a few years after that he just needed to get over it and we never again talked about it.

Well DUH it’s directed at what you did. That’s the whole point. You’re the one who did it; you’re the one who hurt him; you’re the one who turned his life upside down. You can’t claim to want to talk about it, but only do so on your terms. And what exactly would you talk about other than what you did and why it hurts him so? That’s the point. Of course it will be hard for you to hear - but suck it up, buttercup. YOU aren’t the victim here. So stop acting like you are. If you truly want to help him heal, then you need to have empathy for your BH and put his feelings and hurt above yours.

FYI the simplest advice to repair things is to do the opposite of what you did during the As. You never talked? So start talking. Don’t wait for him to bring it up. Tell him what you told us, that you want to help him heal. But don’t let those be empty words. You have to be willing to sit in the hurt with him. You have to be willing to look into yourself and see what you’ve done to him, without getting defensive or shifting into victim mode. And for godssakes, DON’T tell him to just get over it. That is about the most damaging thing you can tell someone who’s hurting.

Me - BW, 24 | Him - WH, 25 | Separated
12/31/17 - DDay 1
Too many DDays & lies to follow.
[Porn addiction/SA/webcam sex with both men & women over a period of 2 years + many other betrayals and violations]

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foreverlabeled ( member #52070) posted at 5:54 PM on Saturday, January 12th, 2019

Coming in here I did not know how to start

Honestly I didn't either, my first post was riddled with blame shifting. I remember though the more straight forward replies were the ones that brought me crashing back to reality. It was what I needed the most at the time.

Anyway, your last post gives us more info as to what you are doing to help. Have you read "How to help your spouse heal from your affair" by Linda MacDonald? My personal opinion is that this book is a good starting point but also the bare minimum. I love that book for us and I made it my bible in those early days. There is so much more room though to go above and beyond and that is what we should strive for. And of course no two BSs are alike really, so what works for mine may not work for yours.

The best way to find out if you are doing enough is to ask your BH. And then ask him what he needs and ask often, because what was working last week might piss him off this week. They are on a roller coaster and it's always a good idea to check in see where they are.

Some of what you are describing (the sex and passion), especially now that he has a renewed sense of commitment to you as well is something called hysterical bonding. I did some research, after the fact, and I began to feel saddened by it. If this is what you two are experiencing, enjoy it if you can, and while it lasts because it will fade.

Really, all any of us can do is just take it day by day, and handle what comes the best we can. If I could give you some advice to kick start going beyond enough, research this shit. Learn everything you can on infidelity and the effects it has on our BSs, the trauma it creates for them, and the struggles they face. Because the more you can understand it the better you can show genuine compassion and empathy.

Have you read in The Healing Library yet? It's to the left of your screen in the menu box. There is a lot of information there to get you started on your education. The internet has many credible sources as well.

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