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HellFire posted 12/9/2019 11:41 AM

Cptprkchp, the credit/debit statememts wouldnt help. It's a small town. 2 gas stations, one ATM, and everything is closed at that time. He works 8 minutes from the house. The address of the house in question, is less than 2 miles away from where he works, on the opposite end of town. It's a subdivision, at the end of the southern edge of town.

[This message edited by HellFire at 1:25 PM, December 9th (Monday)]

elKAPPYtan posted 12/9/2019 11:42 AM

It's not super accurate. One day it had my wife in another state 200 miles away, and only a 15 min drive time to and from there.

nekonamida posted 12/9/2019 12:47 PM

It's 4 minutes. I doubt sex was had in 4 minutes. It's the denial. The lies. The gaslighting. The anger. Him acting as if I have no reason to doubt him. The turning it around on me. It's the catching him in lies, about his phone activity. It's lack of compassion and remorse, because I am doubting him.

I'm sorry, HellFire. No, they didn't have sex in those 4 minutes but there is literally NO GOOD reason why he would hide this woman from you. You know this. You see this. SOMETHING inappropriate is happening with this COW.

If you can keep digging, keep digging. But honestly, you've been in R for a while now. He's been lying through out it. It doesn't matter WHAT or WHY he was lying. Lying at all is a big no no in R and should not be tolerated. And now he's lying again and about to serve you with a new DDay. This isn't a successful R. This is false R.

What do you plan on doing with this new info? What will you do if this is a full blown EA/PA with this COW?

HellFire posted 12/9/2019 13:32 PM

Right now I'm dealing with some major health issues, concerning my heart. I'm working with my doctors, to get it under control.

I put the var in his truck this morning. But I'm really not sure if it will catch anything. According to the timeline, he was there one time, one month ago.

Once I get my health issues under control, I'm filing for divorce. I am worth more than this shit.

As I have said on here many times, it is not the affair that ends the marriage. It's the lies, and the treatment from the Wayward spouse towards the Betrayed spouse after D-Day, that typically ends the marriage. And that's what ended mine. I am done. I deserve better.

cocoplus5nuts posted 12/9/2019 13:41 PM

After I confronted, and he yelled, he went to the bathroom. With his phone. For 30 minutes. When he came out, I asked if he wiped everything clean. He didn't answer. The phone hasn't left him since.


Not good! I'm so sorry. An innocent, remorseful CP would've given you the phone to search, or anything else you asked. Taking the phone in the bathroom for 30 minutes means he was probably hiding something, maybe messaging someone.

Charlee posted 12/12/2019 04:45 AM

(((Hellfire))) - any new findings with the VAR? Are you still checking the timeline? I know this additional stress does not help your medical issues. Please take care of yourself!

Rideitout posted 12/12/2019 05:31 AM

As I read what RIO wrote, about the line following the roads, he got very defensive, and grabbed his phone,preventing me from looking further.

I'm sorry. He knew he was nailed, which is good (for you), but I'm still sorry that it turned out this way. It's better to know, always, in my mind, but there are times that I kind of wish I didn't know how to dig through the electronic stuff and find what I did from my W's A. I'm glad you were able to confirm though; if the track is following roads from point A-B, the statistical likelihood of it being erroneous is for practical purposes, 0. Someone mentioned Google placing him/her 100's of miles away, that does happen (quite frequently in fact, that data is usually filtered out so it's not on the timeline, but there are a lot of "one off" pings that have the entirely wrong data in them). But take a few minute drive from point A-B, there are 1,000's or 10,000's of GPS coordinates captured in that drive (depending on how long). And those coordinates are just 2 numbers, one after another, rolling in second by second. What are the chances that 5,000 erroneous numbers roll in? Low, very low in fact, but it could happen. What are the chances that those 5,000 erroneous numbers happen to coincide with a road/highway combination that you'd take to get from point A to B? Now, there is some chance, I can't say 0. But, a good way to think of it is this; if you got 10,000 monkeys and put them in front of a computer and had them bang their hands on the keyboard, was are the chances that they get "This is my first sentence" typed out? Very, very low, but not impossible right? That's kind of like the Google timeline putting you in the wrong place/tagging you to the wrong location. It happens, but it's rare. Now, back to our keyboard banging monkeys, how long will we need to let them break keyboards until one of them types out War and Peace? Again, there's a number, eventually, one of them will get it, but it's some multiple of the age of the universe for how long it would take. That's much more akin to the likelihood of Google "randomly generating" a GPS track that puts you at your house, then on a highway, then parked in your AP's house for 4 minutes, then back on the same highway on the way home, then back at your house. Sure, it COULD happen, and I hit mega millions jackpots today and every day thereafter for the rest of my life, statistically, it's "possible" but the chances are so infinitesimally small, the real answer is "no", sadly, in both cases.

Lalagirl posted 12/12/2019 08:41 AM

It's 4 minutes. I doubt sex was had in 4 minutes. It's the denial. The lies. The gaslighting. The anger. Him acting as if I have no reason to doubt him. The turning it around on me. It's the catching him in lies, about his phone activity. It's lack of compassion and remorse, because I am doubting him.

Dammit, HellFire; I am so sorry. But you're right - if he had nothing to hide he would not be such a shit.

Perhaps it's time to pay this woman a visit and downright ask her how (not if) she knows your H...after you get your health issues addressed of course (sending tons of healing mojo & hugs).

nekonamida posted 12/12/2019 09:16 AM

Good for you, Hellfire! Get your ducks in a row and get well soon.

KingRat posted 12/12/2019 11:41 AM

Here is a similar situation presented to Google Maps Help.

Original Poster Samantha Smithson
7/30/19
How accurate is my timeline? 1 Reply
I'm trying to see if my husband was at a certain place, he always says it's wrong....

Google's response

Platinum Product Expert
GregMc
7/30/19
Hi,

The Google Maps timeline is not 100% accurate, so please check out the Google Maps Timeline Help Page XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX which might help you fix any errors.

There's also an interesting post by one of the Product Experts which explains more about Location Accuracy. See XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX


As a default, Google takes information from the GPS (which is highly accurate) then makes assumptions for the rest of the data since geofencing would deplete the battery very quickly. You can configure the settings to allow it to pull information from other apps that will increase accuracy. But 100% accuracy cannot be guaranteed unless through satellite triangulation.

The best (but not good) analogy is how your utility company operates. It does actual readings and estimated readings. Obviously the algorithms that Google uses are far more complex and sophisticated. Using this example, Google does actual readings from GPS, then fills in the blanks between readings with information received from cell towers, Wi-Fi networks.

From Google:

Data sources

The following location data sources may be used to derive location:

GPS: GPS accuracy can be up to several meters depending on your GPS signal and connection. Your phone must support GPS, have it enabled, and allow Google Maps access to it.

WiFi: WiFi (wireless network) accuracy should be similar to the access range of a typical WiFi router, or about 200m or better. Your phone must support WiFi and have it enabled.

Cell ID: Cell ID (cell tower) accuracy depends on cell tower density and available data in Google's cell ID (cell tower) location database. Accuracy may be approximated at distances up to several thousand meters. Note: Some devices do not support cell ID location.

...

Note: When Latitude is running in the background, it will default to cell ID (cell tower) location on most phones to preserve your battery life.

In short, accuracy is dependent upon configuration, which requires manual permissions to access other sources that Google will use to improve the accuracy of this feature.

[This message edited by KingRat at 11:44 AM, December 12th (Thursday)]

Lalagirl posted 12/12/2019 11:51 AM

OK - all of this stuff about the accuracy is great information, BUT...

Why the hell is he being such an ass toward her? Why is he being so shady?

I smell bullshit.

Walkingthewire posted 12/12/2019 12:04 PM

Just checking in Hellfire. Everything ok?

Also I wanted to add that since my fWH works on government property it doesn't show his location very well. Only where he parked off the yard. Then it stops.

[This message edited by Walkingthewire at 12:06 PM, December 12th (Thursday)]

KingRat posted 12/12/2019 12:09 PM

OK - all of this stuff about the accuracy is great information, BUT...
Why the hell is he being such an ass toward her? Why is he being so shady?

I smell bullshit.

I have no idea nor did my post attempt to draw any conclusions regarding his behavior. My response was to the question posed in this thread. Even if Google Timeline was 100% accurate or had 0% accuracy, it would not prove or disprove anything in regards to the question of “is he cheating?” She must make that determination weighing all the evidence.

[This message edited by KingRat at 12:14 PM, December 12th (Thursday)]

HellFire posted 12/13/2019 13:46 PM

Hi everyone, thanks for checking on me!

So far, the var hasn't given me anything. Except for a headache, because I can't stand his music,lol.

A couple of things..Im not going to knock on her door. For two reasons. One, if there is something going on, then all I will accomplish is tipping him off that I haven't dropped it. And, two, we live in a very small town. I don't want to be the subject of gossip. I'm going to lay low, and let the var do it's thing.

I don't know why he is being such a shit. If he's cheating, there's my answer. If he's not, then Why? Other than my health issues, nothing has changed on my end. I'm still doing everything I've always done. Finances are fine. It just seems that everything I do is a problem for him,lately.

Which is how he treated me right before he had sex with his coworker.

Honestly, I'm hurt. Disappointed. Worried. But, as I had mentioned earlier, there have been some lies over the years. And, each time, I detached a little. So, while I'm not too happy with this new info, I'm not gutted.

I know he is guilty of something. And I refuse to be treated with such disrespect. I've been a great wife and mother. I am also his mother's caretaker. I've been good to, and for,him. I AM the prize.
And ,if he can't treat me with love and respect, then I'm done. I have to be. I have to value myself more. I have to show my girls it's ok to walk away, when someone isn't treating you with love,and kindness. And I must show my son, who is very much like his father, that a woman will leave,if he mistreats her. I want better for them. So I must be better.

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