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Drumstick ( member #55013) posted at 10:21 AM on Saturday, July 15th, 2017

Fox2,

I am sorry, but would it be possible if you wrote your story to your listeners(including me), in a less disjointed manner? I think we all want to help, yet I think that writing your experience full of ellipses, and unconnected thoughts, detractors from your experience, and thus the advice we might be able to provide to you. Thus, if possible, can you retell your story from the beginning without all the ellipses, and disjointed thoughts?

Drumstick

P.S. I truly want to help.

Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence - John Adams

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undertherug ( member #41580) posted at 12:48 PM on Saturday, July 15th, 2017

Fox2 -- these are horrible toxic people and are trying to destroy you. They have done horrible, evil things and will continue to do so as long as you allow them to by giving them head space. People like this feed off the misery of others. You are currently their favorite target. Block them. Focus on getting your child out of this abusive (yes, abusive) situation. You are so much better than them. You sound like a great guy. Spend time with your child; she needs a sane person in her life who loves her. You sound like a great dad who loves his daughter. I agree you need to see your doctor for meds. I have taken them myself off and on over the years and there is no disgrace for doing so. I you were diabetic, would you refuse insulin? We encourage betrayed women here to "get their bitch boots on" and kick some a$$$. I don't know what the male equivalent of bitch boots are but please find some. And please keep posting. We are here for you.

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1survivor ( member #49999) posted at 12:48 PM on Saturday, July 15th, 2017

Fox , I am sorry for the shit that you have and are continuing to go through. Your trauma is a worse than a lot of stories I have read here, but pain is relative . I agree with the others. Maybe you could tell your story from beginning to end to help everyone see things more clearly. This would help everyone to give you the best advice possible.

It sounds like she is very broken inside. I think sociopath and narcissistic are pretty accurate. You need to do whatever you can to become stronger, not only for you ,but for your daughter. See your doctor and get on medication to manage your anxiety. I would try to get in ic as soon as you can. They can help you .

Read up in The Healing Room. There is some good info there , but especially read up on the 180. You need to detach from that toxic woman. You need to only engage with her on issues with your daughter. Don't give her an opportunity to get close enough to hurt you . She and her AP seem to enjoy it, but if you detach from her it takes all the power away from them. They hate this because they do this to feel empowered.

Please please see an attorney . You need to do whatever can to get your daughter from these monsters. Don't give your ex any ammo to use against you. Save all and any communication with her . You might want to consider a VAR and record any communication with her,but keep your end of the convo pure. You may want to limit communication to emails and texts. Good luck and keep posting.

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TimSC ( member #58844) posted at 3:28 PM on Saturday, July 15th, 2017

Quit talking, texting, emailing her and him.

You will never understand why she did it. The simple answer is that she wanted to do it.

Remove the evil from your life and move on.

Accept what has happened, do not analyze what has happened. It defies logic.

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farsidejunky ( member #49392) posted at 4:04 PM on Saturday, July 15th, 2017

Fox:

Are there things you ought to be doing?

Yep. That won't start until you start to heal. Before you can do that, you will need to understand the drama triangle, and YOUR role in it.

Read this:

https://www.lynneforrest.com/articles/2008/06/the-faces-of-victim/

Your path to healing starts with YOUR role in it, not hers.

Good luck.

“Never make someone a priority when all you are to them is an option.”

-Maya Angelou

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Tren0R201 ( member #39633) posted at 6:20 PM on Saturday, July 15th, 2017

A bit.... weird...

Some

one

talks... like this?

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keptmyword ( member #35526) posted at 6:44 PM on Saturday, July 15th, 2017

A bit.... weird...

Some

one

talks... like this?

So what?

He puts it out as he feels and needs.

He's in pain.

How does this commentary help?

It has nothing to do with you.

Filed for and proceeded with divorce.

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The1stWife ( Guide #58832) posted at 7:56 PM on Saturday, July 15th, 2017

Fox. Yes there are evil people. Your wife is now aligned with one.

You need to get your act together and get this custody issue straightened out. One day this guy is going to turn on your W and child. He sounds like a sick dude who enjoys this behavior.

Get a lawyer and private investigator to uncover all the crap on this guy. He should not be near children. Ever.

Do not text or email or talk to either one. Know they are probably recording you to get any dirt on you. To use against you.

You need a counselor who can help you through this tough time. With the PTSD and anxiety and psychological abuse etc.

Get a lawyer on your team.

Get a job. Show the court you are a stable hard working dad who should be in your Childs life.

Your former "person" is a nightmare. I am sorry you are suffering but you don't want to look back one day with regrets you didn't do all you could for your child.

Survived two affairs and brink of Divorce. Happily reconciled. 12 years out from Dday. Reconciliation takes two committed people to be successful.

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 Fox2 (original poster new member #59668) posted at 10:30 PM on Saturday, July 15th, 2017

The sort of talk like that even if you read the response you gave represents slow response .....

As in.....

I

Cannot

Believe this. There is a pause between I cannot.

The events are disjointed heavily.

The story is so long and so many things happened it's like I'm talking about them as I can remember.

I wrote a lot of it down and have texts but they go far back in the months.

They have picked me as their favorite target......

Butbthis woman was supposed to love me. She was not supposed to donthis and be like this.

I will write more on this. All I can think of is that she is a narcissist......they mirror and she's mirroring him. She's never displayed actions like this.

The deal is......

The only way to deal with a sociopath is not contact. I agree with this. I was also not ready to face her. I might be now.

I don't know., you don't until,you actually face them.....I intend on saying noting to her.

Raising a child with her. A nihtmare now. I will post more

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Tren0R201 ( member #39633) posted at 10:58 AM on Sunday, July 16th, 2017

So what?

He puts it out as he feels and needs.

He's in pain.

How does this commentary help?

Hope the OP....

gets his

help....

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Marriagesucks ( member #46828) posted at 1:56 PM on Sunday, July 16th, 2017

Let me get this straight...Your wife has mental issues... Lets call it mentally diminished. She let herself get seduced by an EVIL player who stalks and seeks out mentally diminished woman for his own devices and or pleasures which we have no idea what they truly are. On top of all that they have been working together now to make you go crazy.

Thats the best that I can piece this together in any kind of coherent form.

I have NEVER recommended this before but my best recommendation for you would be (if what you say is gospel) is to contact CPS and get your daughter out of that insane assylum NOW. After all you have painted a picture of OM to be possessed by SATAN himself. In your own words you say yourself you are in no condition to be watching a child. You are in no condition to even take care of yourself at this time. Like I said I never recommended CPS to anyone before, as it is very difficult to get the child back once CPS gets involved. If what you say is even half true your daughter is probably already emotionaly scarred from this ordeal of being used.

The greatest trick the Devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist.

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 Fox2 (original poster new member #59668) posted at 2:40 PM on Sunday, July 16th, 2017

You have a lot of that right.

Im Going to need to go back through this but the story is long.

She's mentally ill but on the outside she doesn't look like it. She also only does this to me. He way a sociopath or narcissist works is to keep a facade of being a victim while passively aggressively abusing.

Is my daughter scarred. I would say yes. I think she's going to have some problems down the road.

Cps only got involved after the knife was pulled in front of my daughter and they let......it go. I don't know what is happening in now. The reason ,y ex got a protective order was for exactly that. She wants me out of the picture for this new man to raise my daughter.

Yes, he is an evil player and very sadistic. She has become like him since the affair was exposed and she left.

When the judge granted her the order of protection he saw through what she was trying to do. I don't know what it means but she tried to take my daughter out of my life to keep me in the dark when I opposed her new choice of man involved in my daighters life. The judge told em to start a custody case.

However.......coparenting would be and has been a nightmare. I have had limited contact with the guy so far since January. A good thing

It is a narcissistic discard. I am painted black in entirety.

She is not some victim either.

"Yes we were caught........but II SENT HIM back to his wife and a weight lifted off of my shoulders........

I then tol him to say all the things she needed to hear to take hims back"

Sooooool.......you are manipulating all of this....

"I will no longer further discuss this with you fox" goodbye.

Theres a lot I know and a lot I don't.

Tren.......you have taken the subject off of what it is and turned it into a grammar check. It deviates from the subject and puts the attention on you. Why I don't know.

I just need to get through this and work through some solutions as to what I'm dealing with. Hoping to find someone who has been through it and knows. Some of the people I know on narcisim told me to expect the order of protection and helped me navigate that. They told me 2 months in advance it was coming.

I don't know if she was always this evil or what. If anyone wants to call me and tackle this I would be open to it.

Otherwise I'll post what i can starting over and try to get in the whole story. Even her side....as she tells it to the few people she's told it to.

My daughter was telling on her. She has to keep me in the dark.

I don't know why. I don't know why the parental alienation.....I don't know if she's drunk on power. Well.....she is

Or if it's something the guy wants. He had a thing for him winning..for my daughter being out of my life. It could be him.

It could be her.

I don't know. I've never seen anything like this. Even the people I talk to about npd haven't.

And that's because when a narc triangulated you with the new person. The person is their next victim. This guy isn't a victim. He's aggressive and sociopathic. It makes all of this worse.

I mean.........the guy said.......

"I wanna watch you die"

The truth would kill you and I would love to see it

I want to watch you bleed.....youndo bleed don't you?

What ......the fuck.......I don't know him....

I don't know him...

Who and what the hell says that. A predator. She gave him this.

Yes......they want me broken. I think my anxiety just shot up.

One day at a time.

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 Fox2 (original poster new member #59668) posted at 2:47 PM on Sunday, July 16th, 2017

And to be honest. I don't know

He has guns.

So

If I were to say she had a gun that day instead of a knife. I would proabsbly be dead. The first act like this shows something that there is inside.

I'm not a weak person. I'm dealing with something over my head. Would I be afraid of her being around guns. Yes.

Killing him......him killing her. Them killing me. I've thought about all those as a total reality.

At first I wanted karma. Now I do not.

The karma for this type of thing could be bad and I don't want my daughter involved. I don't want my ex dead or killed.

I don't want my daughter to lose her mother and that's not crazy.

It's not like she was like this before.,.......she became like this.not too long after she left. The affair enhanced whatever this is.

Some people say she will go back to normal if he's gone. Somesaynthis is her and I need to stay the hell away from her the rest of my life and abandon my daughter.....yes I said that.

They tell me she could be brainwashed or used to hurt me.

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 Fox2 (original poster new member #59668) posted at 3:00 PM on Sunday, July 16th, 2017

Yes.......the things he said to me could be construed as demonic. I don't know about Satan himself but when someone you don't know says they want to watch you die......

I don't know how else to really take it. He kept calling me a beta bitch......a pussy......a sore loser

Can't keep my shit together....

He told me his grandmother told him.......that he is the rocky shore people break themselves on.......he had recently gotten a tattoo after the affair started of a lighthouse to symbolize this

Then sent me a picture of it and told me to get some tattoos and a beard....

"I have anger issues so I learned how to use them. They wroth through my soul like a hole I can't fill" then there's the can of worms of my mommy issues.

I have this all screenshot

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 Fox2 (original poster new member #59668) posted at 3:04 PM on Sunday, July 16th, 2017

Tren.........

I'm afraid there is no help I can get on this. I can get custody of my daughter but all of the rest of this is still there. I don't see anything good coming out of this.

I welcome anyone who will talk to me personally any time. It might also clear up some of the hysterical looking black and white text. I'm not in a place of being not level.

Every day I get more clear. A lot of that has to do with no contact

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PlanC ( member #47500) posted at 4:23 PM on Sunday, July 16th, 2017

Guy, why are you holding on to the past? Your ex sounds like no prize given her obvious immorality.

Stop feeling, stop thinking...you've done enough of both....and start acting. Spend today making two parallel plans. One plan for how to get legal custody, the other for how you will get and keep a job to give your child a safe home. Each plan should be step-by-step.

BS 50; xWW. 4 children.
DD 1: April 2013, confessed ONS June 2012
DD 2: March 2014, confessed affair August 2012 through March 2013
DD 3: October 2015, involuntarily confessed 5 additional ONS starting August 2014 through November 2014 (manic)

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Ashland13 ( member #38378) posted at 6:28 PM on Sunday, July 16th, 2017

I have not written on here in a very long time, but will chime in because you sound so much like me at the beginning, Fox.

Even though it took almost all of the mental strength I thought I had, the best thing I ever did for myself was to alter my thinking away from the repeated conversations that are stuck in your head.

There are many ways to do this, but idk how you can move on until your head stops spinning with the voices of him and her.

1.) Yell back silently when the voice memories start.

2.) Or, picture a stop sign, or get a picture of one and read it repeatedly to get the voice memories to stop.

The thing is, in order to get past the voice memories, you have to control them.

Other things that really helped me were things like looking at the date. Did this happen today? No. Today is a new day and you are past much of the worst.

Actually, you are in a place where you can start helping it get better, as you asked in earlier posts, but you may not realize it because the voice memories are blocking your other thoughts.

I do not want to plug up your thread with my story, but these were things I did early on in recovery. I am finally at a point where I was able to make two people out of the ole pervert, one where "old him" died in my head and heart and there is only the ole pervert that shows up to collect my son for his visit.

My father did this 30 years ago when my mother stepped out and he said it really helped him, too.

You can do it, Fox, you just have to be aware that the voice memories are keeping you stuck.

-A13.

Ashland 13

A person is a person, no matter how small. -Dr. Suess

Perserverance and spirit have done wonders in all ages.

-George Washington

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Marriagesucks ( member #46828) posted at 7:43 PM on Sunday, July 16th, 2017

Yes.......the things he said to me could be construed as demonic. I don't know about Satan himself but when someone you don't know says they want to watch you die......

After you said this I immediately got a picture in my head of Charles Manson, and the crap he did, and the women he seduced into his cult.

Sorry if this triggers you.

The greatest trick the Devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist.

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FearoftheUnknown ( member #46264) posted at 11:43 PM on Sunday, July 16th, 2017

(((Fox))))

Its obvious you are in a great deal of pain and we hate that you have joined our little club. None of us want to be here.

I hear you continuing to focus on what they have said and done. You must choose to take yourself out of the triangle. Refuse ANY contact with either of them, even to the point of asking the court or clergy to be the go between with regard to your daughter.

Once you quit playing their game they will have to find another reason to coexist.... And that's their problem, not yours.

I hope you will focus on getting yourself to a better place emotionally and physically. Your daughter needs you to be the voice of reason in this mess.

But until you choose to move beyond the drama, it will be difficult to heal.

This is so hard, Fox. I know how much you wish things were different. Here's where you get your chance to make things different. Praying for you and wishing you the best. And your precious daughter!

D-Day: December 2014
Want to be known as NOFear now!

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 Fox2 (original poster new member #59668) posted at 3:20 PM on Monday, July 17th, 2017

The first time I ever met the guy was in an upscale bar during the World Series

He was cocky but I didn't see a threat.

The second time......was 8 days later. We went bowling with some of her co workers.

Towards the end he started taking about himself a lot. Nothing special.

Then he was speaking of how many women he'd been with.

He told me he was the kind of guy who could steal ,y girl and by the time it was over I would be crying and lonely. I didn't think he was specifically speaking to me.

He touched her in the arm in a very sexual way. Personally I thought.......he's married and our relationship is solid.

It was a red flag that when I asked her if she liked it. She said yes.......she was in a sort of relaxed dopamine trance.

10 days later he was having sex with her in his truck and dropped her off.

6 days later it was over

He told me later that he had been having sex with her for months.

She moved in with her mom and left me at the house. I basically went mad.

7 years.......did t know........total blindside....

As I said....I'll write out the story but it's still painful even after 8 months. I can't believe some asshole can come into my life like this and my stupid effing ex can do this to our family.

His wife blames her for ruining her life. They are divorcing and he's left his 3 year old son for her.

Some days are ok......when I stay busy.

Some days I want to die

Some days I am moving slightly forward.

We will never be friends......

We will never be amicable

I have to talk to her I guess for my child's sake.....

The more I didn't want to see her the more she forced it

She wanted me crazy.......

When I say this girl went narcissist on me

I've seen a lot of stories

She went full blown......

No exaggeration

Not only did she go full blown it was not like most of the stories I'd seen. I still haven't found one like it.

I've seen some bad ones. But nothing like this. The difference was the triangulation with a sociopath.

She mirrors who she's with. I don't know if she's a sociopath or if she's mirroring his cruelty. It could go either way.

I don't see a solution......I see her brainwashing my kid. I'm a good dad and she knows this.

And she still did everything she could to get her out of my life.

The crazy thing is....

This happened to her when she was 5. Her father did this to her mother. Her mother left him. Her mother was very emotionally abusive. A lot through neglect but in other ways.

The father.....total abandon as the story goes.

She told me 10 days before she left that she was a self fulfilling prophecy.

Narcs tell on themselves. They will tell you what the are doing and what they are about to do. A lot of times it will be out of context and you always have to look for the opposite.

It's weird but the more you see it the easier it is to spot.

The day before the order of protection.......she told me we need to be more tolerable with eachother. I agreed.

She then spent the night emotionally beating the crap out of me. I was supposed to pick my daughter up the next day.

I did.....

I hadn't seen her in a while. The drop off went normal

She left the drop off and went right to the police station....

It took them 8 hours to come and get my little girl. I brought that up in court. The order was for texting things like calling her a married mans side piece of ass and every word in the book.

All of hers was passive aggressive. It was crazymaking.

They hauled my little girl off under police escort. My friend took her to her mother. She was terrified.

I cannot believe her mother can do this. I can't believe someone could be capable of something like this.

The more I read into sociopathy the more stories look worse than narcissism stories.

Why is this story all over the place.

It's so long......so much happened it just comes to me in pieces.

Of you were to hear her side of it........

Let me know........I'd love to hear it myself

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