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 SerJR (original poster member #14993) posted at 3:20 PM on Thursday, December 11th, 2008

Probably not.

Successful relationships are built on a few governing principles around the fundamentals of mutual and self respect. Affairs are based on a foundation that eventually turns on the affair partners themselves as the relationship is destroyed by the same flaws that made it possible to begin with. What drives an affair is the excitement of instant gratification, not commitment and investment, and once the excitement wanes, there is nothing left to restore the passion.

Affairs are built around the emotional fallout of a marriage. The wayward partners bond over the perceived problems of the betrayed spouses and set up an “us vs. them” dynamic. Most of the affair is built up around resentment of the betrayed spouse. Often, once the betrayed spouse says “Toodles! Have fun with that” there is very little left to sustain the affair. This element of the affair is all about looking at things in relative terms and not on the absolute value and merit of it, in its own respect. The other person can no longer compete with the betrayed spouse, and without that method in mind, they settle back into their true selves as old patterns and behaviours emerge. Little focus was put into building the relationship and more was put into destroying those around them. They can’t move forward constructively because they are encumbered by the destroying the past.

Further to this, this sets up a template for victimisation of themselves. All their problems are blamed on others, and their happiness is placed in their partner’s hands. This precludes one from acting with personal responsibility and empowerment and reinforces patterns of escape from dealing constructively with issues and taking ownership. A focus on the negative, sets into motion those same dynamics that will affect one. Little forward thought is present on how to nurture and grow.

Successful relationships are built around an intricate balance of giving and taking. Affairs are all about taking. To sustain a relationship one must be willing to have their emotional needs met, and to meet the needs of the partner. When a wayward partner falls in love with their affair partner they are only looking to meet their own needs. They do not fall in love with their partner, in the proper sense, but fall in love with how they feel from the extra validation and ego stroking and how see themselves reflected back. Often, they are relieving their own feelings of inadequacy and insecurity by bonding with one who has significant personal issues (and really, how wonderful can a person be, that would sleep with a married person?) and they are thus able to feel a sense of superiority. They may feel better temporarily, but those same issues are still there, and they have included more that are hidden and festering away.

Additionally, to protect those emotional investments that are made, a successful relationship requires proper boundaries, honesty, thoughtfulness and empathy for others and a willingness to make decisions mutually. Affairs require broken boundaries, deceit, and betrayal making unilateral decisions. There is no respect of the wayward partner (how can you respect someone and put them in such a destructive position?) or respect of yourself (in the same regard). Leaving the marriage for the affair reinforces these destructive habits and instead of feeling like meeting the other’s needs, giving them undivided attention, and working on the relationship, it sets up patterns for resistance, avoidance, and resentment. This not only leaves the relationship vulnerable, but actively destroys the feelings of love.

A marriage, in the simplest of terms, is the output of two people. If it’s broken beyond repair, then the implication is that one of the partners is broken. They can run from the marriage, but they’re only running away from themselves. And if you run from yourself wherever you go, are you ever really there?

That all being said, there are still a few hard truths to deal with. Sometimes when the affair breaks, the wayward partner will not return to the marriage out of not wanting to face their shame, unerasable devaluation, and taking the path of least perceived resistance. Sometimes, the affair will continue out of pride and a need to justify that what they were doing was right. In both cases, they’ll often enter a downward spiral of making poor choices in effort to prove something to themselves, which perpetuates a cycle of self destruction. They may very well continue their behaviour until the end of their days and be left scratching their heads wondering what the common link to all of their problems are. However, there are a few that will face themselves, learn to take responsibility, and ensure that they begin taking positive and constructive steps forward to commit to their emotional balance and health. Afterall, they are in charge of their own destiny and happiness. Character is destiny. We build that character with every decision we make and that, ultimately, is what guides us through life. We cannot escape the consequences of the decions we make or that others make - but even against all odds we can always rise above adversity. Every person is responsible for his or her character and qualities and has the capacity to gain new qualities and extend our influence. You included.

[This message edited by SerJR at 7:52 AM, March 27th (Friday)]

Me: BH - Happily remarried.
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Weatherly ( member #18222) posted at 3:26 PM on Thursday, December 11th, 2008

Wonderfully written SerJr.

I needed to see this today. Thanks

Me-33 ,Two boys, 13 and 14

It will all be ok in the end. If it's not ok, it's not the end

Happily remarried to a wonderful man (Aussie). I think I found the right guy and the right finger this time.

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badlyhurting ( member #18915) posted at 3:31 PM on Thursday, December 11th, 2008

The problem is...whether it does or it doesn't...the WS and OP have already destroyed another person. Whether it works out, the OP leaves after the illusion/fantasy is gone, or the WS actually tries to R in the marriage...

Me - 37 BW
Him - 50 WX/Sperm Donor
5 beautiful children
Dday 10/29/07 - day after my birthday, 23 days before birth of #5
Too Many False Rs; D final Feb. 09.

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notthesum ( member #16172) posted at 3:35 PM on Thursday, December 11th, 2008

Wow.

Did you write this yourself, or find it somewhere?

It really hit home, and most of it is completely and absolutely true. In my case anyhow.

How incredibly pathetic and sad....

Time heals nothing. It's what you do with that time that heals..or doesn't.

I'm not almost 40. I'm $19.99 plus shipping and handling. And insurance.

Sometimes, the person you would take a bullet for is the one holding the gun.

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Valentina ( member #21720) posted at 4:05 PM on Thursday, December 11th, 2008

Sometimes when the affair breaks, the wayward partner will not return to the marriage out of not wanting to face their shame, unerasable devaluation, and taking the path of least perceived resistance. Sometimes, the affair will continue out of pride and a need to justify that what they were doing was right. In both cases, they’ll often enter a downward spiral of making poor choices in effort to prove something to themselves, which perpetuates a cycle of self destruction.

I really agree with this. Thanks for putting it into words better than I ever could. This has been my constant observation of anyone I've seen leave a marraige and enter a relationship with an A partner.

Everything you said is so true. I hope the mods keep this tagged to the top forever. You said so many things I've always thought, but you said them better.

Me: BW late 30's
WH late 30's
M many many yrs, children yes.
DDAY: a couple of years ago. he still wont' admit he did anything wrong

R? He won't do anything to R.

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kk71 ( new member #21620) posted at 4:16 PM on Thursday, December 11th, 2008

Wow, amazing post and one that is very relatable to me.

Further to this, this sets up a template for victimisation of themselves. All their problems are blamed on others, and their happiness is placed in their partner’s hands. This precludes one from acting with personal responsibility and empowerment and reinforces patterns of escape from dealing constructively with issues and taking ownership. A focus on the negative, sets into motion those same dynamics that will affect one. Little forward thought is present on how to nurture and grow.

I think this was taken from the manual that came with my STBXH.

Sometimes when the affair breaks, the wayward partner will not return to the marriage out of not wanting to face their shame, unerasable devaluation, and taking the path of least perceived resistance.

This is absolutely what I'm dealing with and why we are now filing for D. Although I suspect he will end up back with the OW very soon if not already since she is the only one left in his world to make him feel good about himself - he is not capable of feeling good about himself on his own.

And in some ways this decision to end their A but still not come back to the M just makes it harder. Maybe because I still cling to some hope that he will change and find his way back. And because somewhere deep inside of this man I've known for so long, I see inside of him someone that really wishes he could come back to his M and family, but feels so little of himself that he is not capable or even worthy of getting it back. But I'm finally realizing (and it has taken me a long time) that I CANNOT do anything more to make him change. For my H to become, as SerJR puts it so well:

a few that will face themselves, learn to take responsibility, and ensure that they begin taking positive and constructive steps forward to commit to their emotional balance and health

it's something he will need to figure out on his own. If he ever does, that will show me that his character is that of someone I want to continue to share my life with. However, I suspect that if it ever happens, it will be too late. And that makes me sad. Sad for me, sad for my children, and even sad for him.

Me-BW 37
Him-WH 37
3 children, 9, 5, and 1

"The shadow proves the sunshine"
-Switchfoot

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TooAloof ( member #12764) posted at 4:45 PM on Thursday, December 11th, 2008

Spot on, SerJR. I have thought the same... In my case, I see the disrespect in their R already, I can see it unraveling. But I know that at the time he was in it, there seemed no way for him to get out. He sees things a lot clearer now, but too much damage has been done.

Excellent post, thank you.

TA

The Cure for Everything is Salt Water; Tears, Sweat, the Sea

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tiredofhurting ( member #21432) posted at 4:49 PM on Thursday, December 11th, 2008

i agree with BH.

it doesn't matter. a marriage, a family, was destroyed.

my X has been married for a year to OW. they've now been together for four years.

i doubt he would ever divorce her.

that would mean an admission that divorcing me was wrong...and that he will never do.

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hill ( member #12166) posted at 4:52 PM on Thursday, December 11th, 2008

Right on, as usual Ser.

My XH is now engaged to OW... after many attempts to win me back and telling me he'll never get over me. I do think he took the path of least resistance- the one he usually took- by ending up staying with OW. I think it would've been too difficult for him to start fresh and explain the demise of his marriage to someone new. Plus, you're right, in his eyes, marrying OW probably gives what he did some legitimacy.

As far as I am concerned, they can be miserable together.

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why2008 ( member #18378) posted at 4:54 PM on Thursday, December 11th, 2008

Character is destiny. We build that character with every decision we make and that, ultimately, is what guides us through life.

Can I use that as my new sig line. Love that quote...

Me - BS - 46
Him - WS - 44
Two daughters / 10 and 7

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love me or leave ( member #16937) posted at 4:55 PM on Thursday, December 11th, 2008

That was excellent Ser. I needed to read this today.

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 SerJR (original poster member #14993) posted at 4:58 PM on Thursday, December 11th, 2008

Can I use that as my new sig line.

Go right ahead... but I'll be exptecting royalties with every post you make from now on

Me: BH - Happily remarried.
Hope is never lost. It exists within you - it is real. It is not a force in and of itself - it is something that you create with every thought, action, and choice you make. It is a gift that you create for yourself.

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Cloud ( member #21049) posted at 5:02 PM on Thursday, December 11th, 2008

SerJr,

Time to write a book I believe?

Think about it.

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Valentina ( member #21720) posted at 5:04 PM on Thursday, December 11th, 2008

As a side note, I for one cannot understand how anyone can have their heads so far up their rear ends that they would trust someone they are having an affair with not to cheat on them, or at the very least exhibit the same negative destructive behaviors that enabled them to have an A. Idiots.

Me: BW late 30's
WH late 30's
M many many yrs, children yes.
DDAY: a couple of years ago. he still wont' admit he did anything wrong

R? He won't do anything to R.

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itmoia ( member #21666) posted at 5:06 PM on Thursday, December 11th, 2008

SerJR - Well written. I find this rather interesting and wondering one thing... Though you describe a PA in most of this do you feel this can be also the case in an EA?

me - BS 41
her - WS 43
together 23 yrs, married 4 years
D-day #1 April 1998
D-day #2 Nov 2007
D-day #3 Sep 2008

2 kids 20 & 17

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why2008 ( member #18378) posted at 5:07 PM on Thursday, December 11th, 2008

Thanks SerJR! I think your royalty rate will be 20% of all the REVENUE I generate from my posts? hmmm... how do I write a check for 20% of nothing?

Me - BS - 46
Him - WS - 44
Two daughters / 10 and 7

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dremalou ( member #204) posted at 5:09 PM on Thursday, December 11th, 2008

Thanks SerJR!!! Excellent read.

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WH/69 East Coast A since May 97/Deep Fog
OW/72 never married only "Does" married men
Where's the man I married?...
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Cherry Tomato ( member #19255) posted at 6:07 PM on Thursday, December 11th, 2008

Amen SerJr...you said it all beautifully.

FWW/FBW(me)-43; FBH/FWH(him)-44; DDay 12/25/07; M 18 yrs, 1 DD
Separated 8/6/08; H moved back home 1/6/09; In R 4/24/09
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 SerJR (original poster member #14993) posted at 6:19 PM on Thursday, December 11th, 2008

I find this rather interesting and wondering one thing... Though you describe a PA in most of this do you feel this can be also the case in an EA?

They're really not so different... same basis for different needs.

Me: BH - Happily remarried.
Hope is never lost. It exists within you - it is real. It is not a force in and of itself - it is something that you create with every thought, action, and choice you make. It is a gift that you create for yourself.

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Crushed1 ( member #6449) posted at 6:53 PM on Thursday, December 11th, 2008

AMEN SerJR! Fabulous post, it is RIGHT ON!

Affairs are based on a foundation that eventually turns on the affair partners themselves as the relationship is destroyed by the same flaws that made it possible to begin with.

Which is exactly why it doesn't work out. And if it does, it is because...

Sometimes when the affair breaks, the wayward partner will not return to the marriage out of not wanting to face their shame, unerasable devaluation, and taking the path of least perceived resistance. Sometimes, the affair will continue out of pride and a need to justify that what they were doing was right. In both cases, they’ll often enter a downward spiral of making poor choices in effort to prove something to themselves, which perpetuates a cycle of self destruction.

~~"You can't run away from yourself"!!! Me to my H when he descended into adultery insanity.
~~Prov.15:13 "By sorrow of the heart the spirit is broken"
~~"The day breaks-your mind aches"
~STRENGTH~PEACE~HOPE~FAITH

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