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GeauxTigers ( member #28301) posted at 12:52 AM on Tuesday, April 24th, 2012

Is an oral argument an argument? Call it what you will, but its not ok for my spouse to do it with anyone else. And that goes for a lot of things that don't even have "sex" in the name. Kissing, fondling, inappropriate flirting, etc...

Sigh... how did I end up here?

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TryingHard-2012 ( member #34913) posted at 1:03 AM on Tuesday, April 24th, 2012

I'm one of the few that agree with neverendinghurt...

Seriously, I would call it giving a blow job. And unless it was recipricol, "I" wouldn't be having anything, certainly not sex. Giving a BJ isn't going to float my boat if you know what I mean.

I do agree that all are sexual acts, but I have always thought of "having sex" as having sexual intercourse.

Oral and intercourse are both sexual acts. And to me, oral is way more intimate and disgusts me more than WH having sex with MOW.

It probably depends on when and how you were raised. Everything leading up to intercourse was not considered sex for me. What means more to me is intimacy. The intimacy involved in the affair, which wasn't much, haunts me moretl then WH having intercourse.

I know it sounds twisted, bur if we are supposed to be honest...

[This message edited by TryingHard-2012 at 7:13 PM, April 23rd (Monday)]

BS (me) 34
FWH (him) 36 - PA
Dday - 1/5/2012
Married 10 years - Reconciling
Two awesome boys, 6 and 2

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still2suspicious ( member #31722) posted at 1:07 AM on Tuesday, April 24th, 2012

Doing anything sexual to someone is SOOOO not OK with me!

I can see that I missed the boat on questioning my FWH. I always asked him if he screwed anyone else. Answer: no.

But since I know he had lied by omission I can see where I should have been much more precise. DAMN!!!

Me: BSHim: WHDDay: LTEA Every storm runs out of rain - Gary Allen
D final 2/23

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barelyholdingon ( member #27654) posted at 1:12 AM on Tuesday, April 24th, 2012

YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Me - BS 48
Him - WS 50
OW - Co-worker
Married 25 years
Daughter 24
D-day #1 Sept 2009, found e-mails he claimed just friends
D-day #2 Dec 2009, after a lot of digging finally admitted to EA and PA
Status - in R

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foundoutlater ( member #32900) posted at 1:18 AM on Tuesday, April 24th, 2012

I guess it depends on intent - if someone is just trying to clean that particular body part (male or female) and would do that for any old friend (again male or female) and has no intention of orgasm and ...

Well to me of course it is sex - hell for some it is the best part of sex. I think it is not trying to get preggers but it is sex.

Your beliefs don’t make you a better person, your behavior does.

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LivinginLimbo ( member #35004) posted at 1:55 AM on Tuesday, April 24th, 2012

Toto and underbits.

I'm actually surprised that someone in their 50's doesn't think that oral sex counts.

It always makes me wonder what our WS's would say if the situation was reversed.

BS - 65
WH - 63
Married 37 years


D-Day 2/12/12
D-Day 6/1/16 Caught him back online early enough that no physical contact took place but still devastating. This sucks.

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Aunt Fannie ( member #5992) posted at 2:10 AM on Tuesday, April 24th, 2012

First, for a BS to hear that their cheater didn't think oral sex as sex or even as cheating shakes your belief system. I'm sorry for all BS's who hear this often convenient drivel. And, you (BS's) are not going to talk them out of their beliefs!

Historically (Biblical ?), there must be some mind-set that oral sex isn't sex. In this fault State, you cannot get divorced on grounds of adultery if no intercourse occurred. Therefore, technically, you can't obtain a divorce on grounds of adultery on "just" oral sex acts. However, even if the two cheaters swear under oath they didn't have intercourse, the divorce courts (in it's wisdom) generally assume that intercourse also took place during an affair.

In this State, there is a little know &/or used law which allows oral sex to fall under Sodomy laws.

Not to T/J but, the April 2012 issue of Esquire Magazine, "Sex and the American Man", survey of internet-connected U.S. men aged 21 to 59 by Beta Research Corp., claims:

question # "39. How far could you go with a woman other than your wife or girlfriend without engaging in something that you would define as 'sex'?

Flirting - 28%

Kissing - 17%

Licking her breasts - 5%

Cunnilingus - 1%

Getting a handjob - 2%

Getting a blowjob - 19%

Anal intercourse - 1%

Vaginal intercourse - 4%

Does not apply - 31%

Closer Look: 10% of all men do not consider oral sex to be sex."

34% of men in committed relationships have cheated (which is very similar to the Playboy survey from a few years before - here on SI we believe it's almost double and getting more common).

84% of men have never used Viagra.

on page 97, Esquire is placing fellatio and cunnilingus (& other acts) under FOREPLAY, for a TMI example, & I quote:

"8. During foreplay, what's the one thing you'd like to do more of to your current partner?

Stimulating her clitoris with your finger(s) - 30%

Stimulating her breasts - 25%

Cunnilingus - 24%

Other - 10%

Rim jobs - 5%

A little rough play - 4%

Biting - 3%"

"9. During foreplay, what's the one thing that you want more of from your current partner?

Fellatio - 43%

Cupping, licking, and/or playing with your balls - 34%

Rim jobs - 12%

A little rough play - 6%

Biting - 5%"

"38. If you haven't already, do you think it's conceivable that you would ever cheat on your partner?

No. I believe strongly in lifelong monogamy - 58%

Yes, it's conceivable, though I'm satisfied being monogamous with my current partner - 33%

Yes, it's conceivable. I don't believe that one man can be with one person for the rest of his life - 9%."

Of course, you would think that surveys using almost anonymous subjects would generate truthful answers but this is not the case and those who survey know it. The Good Guy Syndrome rules, I guess.

On 1st D-Day 2004: Me-BW 56+; him-WH 58+; md. 32; 1 grown child
D-Day 12 Apr 2004; gentle confrontation on 20 June 2004 denied PA w/ MOW 27 yrs. younger
2nd D-day - 5 Nov 2009 w/ same Gold Digger 3-years underground; filed Feb. 2010 then delayed.

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tryingagain74 ( member #33698) posted at 2:21 AM on Tuesday, April 24th, 2012

According to the STD class I took years ago, yes, it absolutely is. I can't imagine that the thinking on that has changed.

FBS; now happily liberated!
Two DS and One DD
It matters not how strait the gate,/How charged with punishments the scroll./I am the master of my fate:/I am the captain of my soul.--"Invictus," William Ernest Henley

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GeauxTigers ( member #28301) posted at 2:28 AM on Tuesday, April 24th, 2012

Surveys are so friggin silly....so who are the 4 geniuses out of 100 who would not define vaginal intercourse as sex?

Mandatory sterilization...its the only way to stop the stupid...

Sigh... how did I end up here?

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noel1212 ( member #34975) posted at 2:57 AM on Tuesday, April 24th, 2012

That is like saying that you weren't naked together because you both left your socks on.

Married 17 years (04/01/1995)
BS 41
WS 40
DDAY: 12/12/2011
EA start: 10/2008
PA start:5/2009 (1 month after daugher turned 1)
3 kids:
Son 12 (birthday March)
Daughter 10 (birthday June)
Daughter 4 (birthday April) - the baby!

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purplejacket4 ( member #34262) posted at 4:39 AM on Tuesday, April 24th, 2012

I'm a doctor and I teach patients you can get anything from oral sex as you can from "regular" sex except pregnant.

So are we going to ask next if anal sex isn't sex? How about digital penetration?

If you are attempting to give or receive an orgasm it's sex!

Me: BS 50
Her: FWS 53 (both family med MDs; together 23 years)
OW: who cares (PhD)
Dday: 10/11: 11/11 TT for months; NC 8/12
Limboconsiliationish
"band aids don't fix bullet holes" Taylor Swift
I NEVER mind medical ???

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DragnHeart ( member #32122) posted at 5:23 AM on Tuesday, April 24th, 2012

"Mandatory sterilization...its the only way to stop the stupid..."

My wh was keeping notes on his phone about every time he tried to be close to me (hugs, kisses etc) and noted a lot that I turned away when he tried to kiss me... Ya well even now I find it torturing to kiss him. Since I know she gave him a blow job and I suspect he went down on her how can i want to kiss him...YUCK!!!

Oral is sex. It's a violation of his vows to me.

Me: BS 46 WH: 37 (BrokenHeart911)Four little dragons. Met 2006. Married 2008. Dday of LTPA with co worker October 19th 2010. Knew about EA with ow1 before that. Now up to PA #5. Serial fucking Cheater.

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PanicAttack53 ( member #34195) posted at 5:44 AM on Tuesday, April 24th, 2012

If you are attempting to give or receive an orgasm it's sex!

Sums it up rather succinctly in my book.

FYI, some other names for oral from a guys point of view. Hey, you asked for it:

69

96 (only if you're dyslectic)

Blow Job

Bob Knob

Buff

Cabeza

Carpet Munch

Chicken Head

Clean The Kitchen

Clean The Pipe

Chrome My Dome

Dine at the Y

Dinner for Two

Dunking for D*ck

Eat a Peach

Face F*ck

Knee Job

Getting/Giving Face

Give Cone

Gobble the Knob

Going Down On

Gulping Gulliver

Hummer

Hum Job

Narfile the Garthok (Oops, only if you're a Conehead)

Muff Dive

Play the Skin Flute

Puffing Peter

Slurping the Snake

Skullf*ck

Smoke

Smoke Pole

Tasting Totem Pole

[This message edited by PanicAttack53 at 12:16 AM, April 24th (Tuesday)]

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Rest of the story really doesn't matter any more.
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MediumRare ( member #35128) posted at 6:45 AM on Tuesday, April 24th, 2012

Boy, cheaters will always try to find some way to lie their way out of anything!

Well, the moment the "oral sex IS sex" argument is over, they will just say that it wasn't oral sex and that it was just really thorough snake bite treatment...

BS (ME): 44
WS(HER): 42
9 years
OM#1- 20-something loser, stole bunch of my things after she had sex with him in our bed (no condoms, STDs)
OM#2- 24 year old, unemployed loser, lives with mom & dad
DDay 1/2012
NC 3/20/2012
SGASDay 4/1/2012

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hesexher ( new member #34640) posted at 11:57 AM on Tuesday, April 24th, 2012

Of course it's SEX!! My loser husband told me he didn't see anything wrong with going to spa's for a massage and hand job. Apparently, they know what they're doing and they do it really well. He didn't see himself as crossing the line or hurting anyone/he was being safe. And as for the blow-job's with the OW, he tried to convince me they weren't any good. "She made me nervous by using her teeth too much and I thought she might bite me". Boy, I wish she would have. Now, I can't imagine going down on him knowing she was there. Wouldn't he repay the favor? Although he says he never munched on her I don't see how he couldn't have. And now, I don't think I could ever kiss him again!

Excuse me. I think I've mistaken you for somebody else;somebody who gave a damn;somebody more like myself. -Jewel

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realitybites ( member #6908) posted at 12:47 PM on Tuesday, April 24th, 2012

My loser husband told me he didn't see anything wrong with going to spa's for a massage and hand job.

So would it be OK for YOU the wife or girlfriend to go to a spa for a "massage and hand job"? I bet your husband would think it was sex huh?!

Stop expecting loyalty from people who cannot even give you honesty.

He stopped being my husband the first time he cheated. It took me awhile to understand that I was no longer his wife.

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hesexher ( new member #34640) posted at 1:11 PM on Tuesday, April 24th, 2012

Could you imagine? Naked under a sheet and after the body massage your asked to roll over and spread your legs. Your touched until you cum and then handed a warm wash cloth to clean up. Thanks for that, how much should I tip? But it wouldn't be crossing the line or hurting anyone, it's SAFE!!! Right, hubby??

What is wrong with my STUPID husband? Do women really do that?

Excuse me. I think I've mistaken you for somebody else;somebody who gave a damn;somebody more like myself. -Jewel

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5yrsout ( member #32109) posted at 1:14 PM on Tuesday, April 24th, 2012

my fWH has never claimed this particular distinction, but this semantics issue is the reason when I made him swear on our boys' lives it was that he never touched her, no hugs, no hand holding, platonic kissesor otherwise.

DD 5/15/2006
Found this site 2011
Struggled 10 l-o-n-g yrs (for the kids)
S 2016
D 2018
Happy now.

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BritChick ( member #31576) posted at 2:19 PM on Tuesday, April 24th, 2012

After dday, my WH kindly informed me that we (him and me) never had sex on nights he had had sex with OW. Lucky me!

However, I did say to him that he had gone and done whatever he had done to her with his mouth (be it kissing her on the mouth, on her body, giving her oral etc), then came home and kissed ME goodnight (on the lips and with tongues!)

So I think it is sexual, it is intimate and I think there is no excusing it as anything other than cheating.

Me BS 43
Him WH 45
DDay May 2010

‎"Before you diagnose yourself with depression or low self-esteem, first make sure that you are not, in fact, just surrounded by assholes" - William Gibson

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MrsDoubtfire ( member #24786) posted at 2:36 PM on Tuesday, April 24th, 2012

"Before you diagnose yourself with depression or low self-esteem, first make sure that you are not, in fact, just surrounded by assholes"

sorry to t/j but Britchick your tagline is hilarious!

BS(Me) FWH(Him) DDay 05.09
A went underground. True R 02.10
I won't let another woman reap the benefit of enjoying the man my H has now become†

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