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 RealityBlows (original poster member #41108) posted at 8:57 PM on Wednesday, March 25th, 2015

I have posted this before a couple of times in individual threads and have gotten a lot of good feed back on it so I thought I would share this in it's own post.

Since my Wife's sudden affair after 23 good years of marriage, I have been compulsively studying the psychology of how affairs happen in relatively healthy long term marriages. I have noticed some commonalities. Now, these commonalities wont fit everyone's situation-of course, as there are quite an array of scenarios. But this seems to be my situation and I have seen many similar stories here on SI, enough to almost be able to categorize this in it own right. What do think?

This scenario seems to be prevalent in WS's who have low self-esteem, low self confidence. Sometimes these insecurities are latent and lie dormant like Shingles waiting for everything to come into proper alignment to emerge. Sometimes they grow through the years and foment as they get older. They can cover-up or hide these unattractive and embarrassing issues from their spouse and friends very effectively for years under a maintained persona but, everyday they are constantly questioning their self worth and self image.

It seems to begin after kids have gotten older and they are in their mid 40's, and have been in the marriage 15 plus years. They see themselves as frompy minivan, SAHM Soccer moms with a lack luster, child centered, unsophisticated, unromantic life. They just finished reading Shades of Grey, Harlequin, The Days Between, or watching Same Time Next Year, or some damned Diane Lane Movie on Lifetime For Women. Their friends are having affairs, talking about their exciting affairs. Pop culture is making affairs look cool, common and classy. A new culture, The Me Generation that revolves around instant gratification and selfishness. They see their youth slipping by, pre-menopausal, rapidly approaching 50, wondering what they have missed-are missing in life. She has probably been hitting the gym pretty hard now that she has more time to spend on herself, She's probably looking better now than she ever will. She's probably getting more attention etc, etc. She may be a people pleaser, and this coupled with the low self esteem, and the constant and/or growing need for validation, erodes boundaries. New tech is now weighing-in to help insidious flirting and sexual innuendo evolve quickly, incognito, allowing paramours some anonymity to take risk, break molds and character-like the masks in Eye's Wide Shut, and goes on to help compartmentalize boundary violations and facilitate secret liaisons with state-of-the-art efficiency, and the ease of a Delete Button. Click-Sins Gone.

So now the stage is set. Then someone comes along loaded with flattery. Many times a skilled home wrecker who knows how to work the vulnerable "MILF" or "Cougar". It progresses from flattery, to flirting, texting, to sexting. It evolves insidiously, the highs get higher, the lows get lower, the excitement, the ego kibbles, the endorphans become an intoxicating drug-an addiction. These feelings are amplified 1000 times by the forbidden fruit nature of an affair. This forbidden fruit, this dangerous liaison, this high stakes surrealistic adventure, that exists in an exotic nether world, in the shadows, in romantic secret, creates an artificial high that eclipses the feelings they felt courting their beloved spouses. Some times this leads the wayward to believe that this must be true love, a love greater than that with their spouse. They begin to question their love for spouse, their marriage, their past life, their fate. They compartmentalize, rationalize ("I deserve this", "What he don't know wont hurt him") and they demonize the BS to squelch any internal conflict.

The WW then compartmentalizes her two worlds. In one world she is the matriarch of the family, the wife and the Holy Mother. In the other world she gets to be whomever she wants to be. She gets to recreate herself into what ever image she has fantasied about over the years. Fantasys she would never reveal to her wedded husband, too embarrassed to reveal. She has an image to maintain that she has built up since courtship. She gets to break out of her bride/wife/mother mold and escape her 24 year old reality.

The AP has no expectations, no pre-judgement, he is not looking for a life partner. The elicit nature of their relationship has no boundaries and allows them the freedom to be whomever, and do whatever they please.

The sex. The AP is not necessarily a better lover than the BS. Affair sex is great because of its forbidden nature and the fact that it is DIFFERENT. It is completely uninhibited, new, novel and fresh. It is anonymous to some degree allowing sexual paramours to experiment without fear. It is a new person after 24 years of sex with the same person.

This whole fantasy land affair atmosphere can perpetuate over a long period of time as long has things remain: Secret, forbidden, risky, uncomplicated, etc. The APs can become addicted and go through withdrawals just like an addict. Some affairs run their course and the WW recognizes the superficialities of the affair and end it.

My WW claims that affair sex was not as passionate and loving, and intimate as marital sex. She began to miss the marital love making we had vs. affair sex making.

So, the affair may have had had nothing to do with love for you, how you perform in bed, or what kind of a life partner you are, or what kind of marriage you had. It is about broken people, with poor self-esteem, poor boundaries, looking for validation and escape. It's about the duality of man and how some of us can easily separate ourselves from reality, from our families, from our conscience.

This propensity to cheat may have always existed within her laying dormant for years waiting for just the right moment to strike. If you decide to R. she must figure out what predisposed her to do this, isolate it, and fix it to ensure it never happens again.

[This message edited by RealityBlows at 5:23 PM, October 4th (Sunday)]

"If nothing in life matters, then all that matters is what we do."

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notaslut ( member #46854) posted at 9:46 PM on Wednesday, March 25th, 2015

Holly Crap nailed it. I have been trying to explain myself to my BH for 9 weeks.. Mrnotaslut needs to read this one..

THANK YOU!!

If you decide to R. she must figure out what predisposed her to do this, isolate it, and fix it to ensure it never happens again.

WORKING ON IT!!

D-Day Jan 13, 2015

Working on it.. The highs and lows are hard work..

If I knew then what I know now I would not be here!!

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HoustonDad ( member #47304) posted at 9:49 PM on Wednesday, March 25th, 2015

This is so eerily my story with my WW that it's like I'm watching my own Lifetime movie and you are narrating it.

Me: BH 47
Her: WW 48
M: 28 years
3 kids (24, 22, 13)

Dday March 2013
Rday February 2015

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steppingup ( member #42650) posted at 9:51 PM on Wednesday, March 25th, 2015

So now the stage is set. Then someone comes along

loaded with flattery. Many times a skilled home wrecker who knows how to work the vulnerable "MILF" or "Cougar". It progresses from flattery, to flirting, texting, to sexting. It evolves insidiously, the highs get higher, the lows get lower, the excitement, the ego kibbles, the endorphans become an intoxicating drug-an addiction. These feelings are amplified 1000 times by the forbidden fruit nature of an affair. This forbidden fruit, this dangerous liaison, this high stakes surrealistic adventure, that exists in an exotic nether world, in the shadows, in romantic secret, creates an artificial high that eclipses the feelings they felt courting their beloved spouses

correct.

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Lovedyoumore ( member #35593) posted at 9:52 PM on Wednesday, March 25th, 2015

Change the pronouns to he and title to good man and you pretty much have my WH in a post.

Me 50's
WH 50's
Married 30+ years
2 young adult children
OW single 20 years younger
Together trying to R

Freedom's just another word for nothin' left to lose

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jcanada ( member #46324) posted at 9:55 PM on Wednesday, March 25th, 2015

Yes, this is excellent and well thought out, as so many men here can attest; but there is still a fly in the ointment.

Why do they not realize this is simply wrong, and not acceptable behavior for a married woman? Why don't they stop and accept that this is adultery-- a disgusting, vile betrayal of the person they vowed/promised they would never forsake?

"Nobody knew"

"I thought you knew"

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Lark ( member #43773) posted at 9:58 PM on Wednesday, March 25th, 2015

I think that's about right - for both men and women - for some who have affairs. The "midlife crisis" type affairs.

I'm not sure about this though

So now the stage is set. Then someone comes along loaded with flattery. Many times a skilled home wrecker who knows how to work the vulnerable "MILF" or "Cougar".

at least in my husband's case, OW1 was the initiator. She initiated 90% of their interactions, fished for that flattery, etc. (My husband, so talented that he is, reversed roles and was the initiator with OW2).

I think there are those that are definitely skilled homewreckers and this is their pursuit, but I guess I tend to think they're not common and in the end it doesn't matter anyway. Like, as far as I know, OW1 seems to have been experienced at affairs - this doesn't actually have anything to do with their affair, though, as I see my husband as being capable of making his own choices. Just a random thought.

I've heard on here, and I believe in Not Just Friends, that it's more common for women to seek out the "alternative life" type affair of imagining a future, etc, whereas men more commonly seek out the recreational affair. The escapist fun. Of course not everyone does that, but that was definitely true for my husband and OW1. For him it was just a game, she was heavily invested in it. With OW2, she was in it just for fun as well, which seemed an intentional pick for my husband after the "in love" OW1.

“It is our choices, Harry, that show what we truly are, far more than our abilities.” - Dumbledore

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Ephimera ( member #43294) posted at 10:28 PM on Wednesday, March 25th, 2015

So, the affair may have had had nothing to do with love for you, how you perform in bed, or what kind of a life partner you are, or what kind of marriage you had. It is about broken people, with poor self-esteem, poor boundaries, looking for validation and escape. It's about the duality of man and how some of us can easily separate ourselves from reality, from our families, from our conscience.

This propensity to cheat may have always existed within her laying dormant for years waiting for just the right moment to strike.

Totally agree with this. I get the low self-esteem, low confidence, ego kibbles and all that. I also get compartmentalising. What I want to understand is the part of WS that makes it ok to choose to be immoral.

My theory is that to be moral you have to see yourself as moral. You have to value yourself and set high standards for yourself. People with low self-esteem don't set high standards for themselves since they mentally see themselves as failures.

A BS

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Mapleleaf4ever ( member #37090) posted at 11:03 PM on Wednesday, March 25th, 2015

I can't believe how this post mirrors my WW's behaviour. With her enormous shame once caught she could no longer see herself in my world because she is also a coward. So she takes everything she can and moves onto the next guy and tell me to just get over it.

ME-BH (52)
HER-WW (52)
Married 16 years,
together 20years
One beautiful daughter.
DDay #1 - 06 Apr 2011 EA
DDay #2 - 01 Feb 2012 LTA (4 yrs)
Divorced- Nov 2014

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OnceInALifetime ( member #26023) posted at 11:18 PM on Wednesday, March 25th, 2015

Very well written post.

I think there's a low-grade panic that sets in. "This is it? My whole life?"

People in a panic will do shitty things. Affairs are often a particularly ugly form of mid-life crisis.

BH, now divorced

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MrNotASlut ( member #46917) posted at 11:28 PM on Wednesday, March 25th, 2015

Here are the questions we need answers to:

Why do they not realize this is simply wrong, and not acceptable behavior for a married woman? Why don't they stop and accept that this is adultery-- a disgusting, vile betrayal of the person they vowed/promised they would never forsake?

What I want to understand is the part of WS that makes it ok to choose to be immoral.

Cheaters are a fucked up breed, they do what they want without guilt or shame because they are not happy with their spouse's behavior?

How the fuck does that make sense??? They are doing their vile, disgusting stuff (thank you JRCanada for the wording) while ignoring all their vows and promises because they aren't getting the attention they deserve at home or are lonely. They are acting far worse than anything they are claiming their spouses are doing and yet that is the justification for their affair??? Figure that out? Its akin to someone who gets cut off on the highway and then feels justified to pull out a gun and kill someone.

My spouse said she felt lonely and neglected and because of that, she felt justified to have an affair and lie about it even thought it was perfectly obvious that the stress she caused was killing me. WTF is that????

Cheaters fucking piss me off, the damage they do is incredible, and they do it without guilt or remorse.

[This message edited by MrNotASlut at 5:30 PM, March 25th (Wednesday)]

Cheaper to Keep Her.

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steppingup ( member #42650) posted at 11:31 PM on Wednesday, March 25th, 2015

Why do they not realize this is simply wrong, and not acceptable behavior for a married woman? Why don't they stop and accept that this is adultery-- a disgusting, vile betrayal of the person they vowed/promised they would never forsake?

The F word...nope not that one, "Feelings".

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steppingup ( member #42650) posted at 11:33 PM on Wednesday, March 25th, 2015

Cheaters fucking piss me off, the damage they do is incredible, and they do it without guilt or remorse

Whats worse is they do it also with guilt and remorse and keep at it, the get trapped in As often too and dont know how to get out in there child like brains.

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IslandA ( member #45653) posted at 11:36 PM on Wednesday, March 25th, 2015

I can't even tell you how helpful this post is. I hope my H reads it. Thank you.

Me: WW
Him: BS
D-Day 1: 11/13/14
D-Day 2: 1/18/17
Three beautiful children

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LivinginLimbo ( member #35004) posted at 1:06 AM on Thursday, March 26th, 2015

I was the SAHM soccer Mom who drove minivans for years. The kids grew up, went off to college and onto careers.

Was it a big change after years of PTA, sports and school? Most definitely. Did I cheat to fill some "void?" Absolutely not.

To me, these kind of articles only provide an excuse and places the blame on circumstances rather than the individual.

BS - 65
WH - 63
Married 37 years


D-Day 2/12/12
D-Day 6/1/16 Caught him back online early enough that no physical contact took place but still devastating. This sucks.

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million pieces ( member #27539) posted at 1:31 AM on Thursday, March 26th, 2015

To me, these kind of articles only provide an excuse and places the blame on circumstances rather than the individual.

Yeah, I read it and got a little pissed off. Women for YEARS have had the less glamorous role in the family and it just gets more and more fucked up. SAHM = lazy, career mom = doesn't care for their kids. You get shit from all the way around. Society and yes, HUSBANDS, feed into this feeling of low self worth because in truth, women have less worth in our society. We get less pay for the same job even today. You can get laid off if you get pregnant and can't perform your job (thanks UPS!). And you know why it is men's fault, because men are mostly the bosses who are continuing this cycle.

And you know what, I felt/feel all of this and didn't cheat. You know why, because I have morals. Some don't.

Maybe women are finally getting to a place where they can control their lives a bit more and some women can't handle it. Maybe women are cheating at the same percentage that men have for years (at least that is what statistics imply).

But the whole women cheaters are sooooo depressed and then get taken advantage of just takes away all the blame. It isn't their fault. I don't buy it any more than men are programmed to spread their seed/biological urge.

OK, rant over

Me - 52 D-Day 2/5/10, separated 3 wks later, Divorced 11/15/11!!!!

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LoveHerStill ( member #31504) posted at 4:43 AM on Thursday, March 26th, 2015

This explains what I believe to be the case for my XWW to a tee. I mean exactly. I also belive that mid life losses can be involved as well. My XWW lost her father 2 years before her affair. She also completed her PhD around the time her father passed. Her father had passed and she finally achieved her PhD with no more education to pursue to fill the void. She had achieved everything she wanted to in life and now had to just simply live and enjoy. Not nearly enough for her type a personality. Add to that the rest of this post and bang, she was ripe for the picking. Guess where she got involved with the OM? The gym! Yuck!

She ran immediately and has not looked back. Much like another poster mentioned, she ran out of cowardice and shame. I believe she struggles with it all and I believe their marriage will eventually fail mostlikely due to cheating.

Me BH-45 @ Dday
Her WW-44 @ Dday
Married-20yrs
Together-26yrs
D-Day 4/11/10
Divorced 9/13/2010
XWW Married OM 5/23/2011

It only hurts when I breathe.

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Regret44 ( member #45384) posted at 3:20 PM on Thursday, March 26th, 2015

My situation doesn't exactly mirror your post, but I can still see so much of myself in what you wrote. Thank you for writing and sharing it.

It's strange because when you're in the midst of infidelity, you feel very unique. You think that your situation is different for whatever reason and that "uniqueness" becomes the foundation of the justifications and rationalizations you use to continue doing what you're doing. In truth of fact, it's not special, it's not different. and it's anything but unique. It's only then that you start to realize that what you are is a cliché. For me, that realization makes me feel pathetic.

I know it's so hard to wrap your head around how someone could do the things we waywards have done. I was a BS in my previous relationship and it was gut wrenching. And oddly enough, it was a deal breaker too. Yet here I am 15 years later logging on to SI as the wayward. I never thought I could do the things I did. I didn't think I was capable. This surely isn't the person I ever thought I'd be. I have morals and a conscience. I had them all along, but my selfishness, my need to feel alive again, my need for validation and experimentation overrode any human decency I had in me.

I guess I'm saying all of this to say, there is shame, there is regret and there is remorse. And God help me...I hope and pray there is redemption.

[This message edited by Regret44 at 9:22 AM, March 26th (Thursday)]

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TS68 ( member #40211) posted at 4:27 PM on Thursday, March 26th, 2015

I am 46 and can relate to the description in this piece. I have not cheated but...

What happens when you throw into this mix a husband who tells the wife "you don't dress sexy, you are not fun to be around" to explain why he chooses to spend fun times with another younger woman? The wife sets out to prove him wrong.

And I have done just that. While husband is enjoying himself getting ego kibbles of his own from younger secretary, which he adamantly denies and I only have glimpses into, I have worked on myself. I have paid more attention to my appearance, spent time having fun with other people, something I was expected not to do, honed my humor and conversation skills. Chose *fun* when appropriate and not inconveniencing to my kids... All these things have given me more male attention than I have ever had, hence increased my confidence. Again, I have not cheated. But in the posted piece, add a dismissive, possibly cheating husband into the mix, and it is a recipe for disaster.

This is where I am right now. As husband continues to build up secretaries worth, I am building up my own. Sure does feel good... And he is starting to notice. Oh well.

It's a game that I don't want to play anymore, whether he is cheating or not.

Me: 48
Him: 50
Married 22 years too many
DS19, DS17, DD10
Divorced

Know your worth.

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cancuncrushed ( member #28156) posted at 5:12 PM on Thursday, March 26th, 2015

This too sounded like me...Until.....I too was lonely and lost when the children left...I too felt unattractive and neglected... But my midlife crisis was consumed with trying to prove H infidelity...My neglect came from H infidelity, I never strayed and never considered it...It was the last thing I wanted..Being in the exact same spot emotionally, I still cant see cheating...Its fire on oil..Cheating takes a certain personality...NOt life careers.. I made the mistake of blaming H career, cross country travel, for a long time... I was wrong..It was him along..him inside.. I am not like that on the inside.

Great post. This certainly is his thinking.

[This message edited by cancuncrushed at 11:14 AM, March 26th (Thursday)]

a trigger yesterday

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