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Nowhere Near Close to the Why...

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Gman1 ( member #40879) posted at 5:14 PM on Thursday, July 30th, 2015

Every BS wants a clear and concise answer to this question. It is only natural to want to process how the one person you love more than any other could inflict such catastrophic pain.

One of the most profound things our wonderful MC told me when I was trying to get my "Why" was (paraphrased) "Everything about affairs are illogical. It is all based on fantasyland and nothing about them are real. You are trying to use logic to solve an illogical problem which is impossible. You will just have to learn that you will never get a good answer as to why she had an affair. As hard as this is to accept, it is the truth and you will have to learn to move past this question in time."

Of course, in time, I have learned that the "whys" were several that, combined, formed a perfect storm. But I have also learned that I will never have my complete answer and have accepted this and have finally moved forward. I'm sorry you are struggling with this and hope I have helped in some way.

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Valentinessucks ( member #46486) posted at 12:50 AM on Friday, July 31st, 2015

My husband says because be felt entitled to the ego kibbles. He had pushed me away and become so superficially involved with career and her and feeling like the big man. He was selfish and insecure and just took me for granted.

He's had that classic, cliche "awakening" that all he's ever needed is right here. Ala Dorothy in Oz. Home was there all along.

Can you see/feel in Edith that she is "home?"

Me: BS, 52 Him: WS, 68
Married 30 yrs; DDay E/A, 5/2012
2nd DDay, again E/A, broke NC 2/2014 Reconciling.

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cocoplus5nuts ( member #45796) posted at 4:08 PM on Friday, July 31st, 2015

He's had that classic, cliche "awakening" that all he's ever needed is right here. Ala Dorothy in Oz. Home was there all along.

Mine, too. He even put a song to that effect on the mix CD he made me for Christmas, Richard Marx Now and Forever.

Here's the line from the song:

If I'd only known you were there all the time

All this time

Me(BW): 1970
WH(caveman): 1970
Married June, 2000
DDay#1 June 8, 2014 EA
DDay#2 12/05/14 confessed to sex before polygraph
Status: just living my life

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annanew ( member #43693) posted at 6:54 PM on Friday, July 31st, 2015

The only "why" worth having is one that helps you prevent a repeat performance.

"I was lonely" is no good, just means next time she's lonely she will have another affair. It is her response to being lonely that needs to be investigated. "I was selfish" may be true, but doesn't give you a preventative course of action. Likewise, her "I thought I could have my cake and eat it too" isn't helpful in preventing a second affair. "I was crazy", "I messed up" : these are descriptions of what happened, they are not explanations of why it happened.

Why is this woman so resentful of you? I know you put your collective finances at risk without her knowing, and I don't want to underestimate the impact of financial betrayal, but is there something else? It just doesn't seem to completely explain her incredible resentment.

I think there's much more to the resentment. I was also someone who felt a lot of resentment in my marriage, even pre-affair. And I can tell you that 90% of that was about ME and my inability to productively handle my feelings, and not about my EX.

Unless you are hiding some deep dark secret you haven't yet shared with the board, I think the resentment is the key thing to explore, because it seems very out of place. A good MC should be able to help out there.

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Valentinessucks ( member #46486) posted at 11:30 PM on Friday, July 31st, 2015

Yes, Annanew, the inability to handle/express feelings stems from deep insecurities and leads to soothing in superficial ways, poor choices.

The "awakening" is palpable when the person stops running from their insecurities. Embrace the insecurities, join the crowd, feel the love!

Me: BS, 52 Him: WS, 68
Married 30 yrs; DDay E/A, 5/2012
2nd DDay, again E/A, broke NC 2/2014 Reconciling.

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T123 ( new member #44668) posted at 1:07 PM on Sunday, August 2nd, 2015

NP5,

Another question to ask Edith is "Why" does she want to stay?  Is it because she is afraid of losing the lifestyle she has become accustomed to?  Is it because she is afraid of losing face to friends and your children if it becomes known that it was her A that led to the break up your family?  Edith needs to answer this question honestly and to your satisfaction.  You cannot R if her reasons are selfish.  It just adds insult to injury.

She needs to figure out her "Why" and build a steel wall around the weak part that allowed her to choose the OM and her selfish desires over us.

I have a problem with this analogy.  It suggests that you trap that weak part in the hope that it never again sees the light of day.  No, the weakness you refer to is more akin to a cancer that must be identified before being removed entirely to prevent it coming back. Just as removing a tumor requires invasive surgery, a wayward needs to dig deep to identify and fix what is broken inside of them.

When we go to MC, she cries over the things I've done to her over the last 25 years

Edith is still playing the victim in all this.  She'd like you to believe that you drove her into an A.  She still hasn't taken full responsibility for her A.

...and she cries when I tell the MC I'm going to exact consequences on the OM for his actions in some small way.

WTF?  Again, why does she stay?  I'm sorry, but if she still has feelings for this POS and loyalty to him, tell her pack her bags and go live with him.  Tell her you are not prepared to attempt R with someone who still has feelings for their AP.

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 notperfect5 (original poster member #43330) posted at 6:44 AM on Monday, August 3rd, 2015

Thank you all for your thoughts -- as always lots to think about and consider...

T123,

I like your cancer analogy. I think it is especially applicable because at the inception of this affair was, at it's root, resentment. The resentment, like cancer, spread unchecked everywhere in our marriage.

I have done so much wrong in my marriage, as all of us do in our marriages. I was, at times, selfish, childish, uncaring, prideful, forgetful, unloving, uncaring, unhelpful, and mean. But by far most of the time I was not. I was a good husband and father, really working hard and trying hard to do what was best for us.

When Edith and I were married, she thought I could hang the moon. I was amazing. Of course, I'm not. I am just an imperfect person just trying to do the best I can. Her expectations of me, and herself, were such that she was doomed for severe disappointment. The failings I had developed resentment over unmet expectations. "You have such potential!" Everyone does. But the resentment built up with every passing year until it exploded in anger, frustration, and sadness. She pulled away from me and I her. I saw and felt her distancing herself from me to the point I could no longer reach her in a loving and considerate way.

Yesterday I opened a car door for her. She thanked me and told me she really appreciated it. I had stopped opening car doors for her years ago because she snapped at me once, "I can open my own car door, [NP5]!" I guess she was frustrated about something. Perhaps I thought she felt it was an insult, perhaps it was a feminism thing, perhaps she was resentful that I was out to sea for too long. I can't remember and perhaps I never knew. Anyway I stopped loving on her in that way, and a multitude of other ways as well.

So her resentment grew. I grew tired of being emotionally scarred, so I withdrew. She felt unloved because I withdrew and she became more resentful. Perhaps a lot of hardness and resentment came from her patients at times being brutal to her, or her employees stealing money or taking advantage of her... There are a million things.

So when someone new came, the lack of forgiveness made her vulnerable to OM driving a wedge between us saying, "I would never do this or that! I think he's manipulative or controlling! I believe one should be free of [NP5 action in the past] and follow one's dreams..." She was amazed that all he wanted to do was just talk to her, to be her friend! All he wanted to do was listen and support her... Never mind that she was beautiful and smart and rich. If all he wanted to do was talk, why not talk to the 1000's of other women he knew that were homely, poor, and lonely. Gosh, it just so happened that she was beautiful and rich and frustrated with her husband and the responsibilities of 5 children!

That was why Jesus said, "If you hold a grudge against your neighbor or your brother, go and make it right and forgive, then come back and worship." (I'm paraphrasing poorly I know). Jesus knew the destructive and caustic nature holding resentment and withholding forgiveness would have.

So, in hindsight, that was the start of it all. That is what I see as the foundation of the "why". She would not forgive me. And so she doomed our marriage to disaster.

And now it is I who holds the resentment.

She says now she is getting better every day. The rage and resentment is gone and she feels a veil has lifted and a weight is finally off her shoulders. Sure she physically feels better, but I believe it is primarily because her soul is no longer burdened by a legion of resentments. The affair enabled her to let them all go.

It's like I have soaked them all up from her like a sponge. It is I now who is burdened by resentment, sadness, disappointment, and anger. I cannot sleep or focus or rest or feel at peace.

I looked up the definition again for cuckold. Once upon a time, about 6 or 8 months ago someone called me a cuckold. I said that since all my children are assuredly mine and since my wife didn't have intercourse, I was not one. I defended her honor saying she would NOT do such a thing.

Now I know I am:

Cuckold -- noun. The husband of an adultress, often regarded as an object of derision.

As my IC tells me I am supposed to be moving from realization to acceptance, I wrote it down with a sharpie on a large sticky note. I put it on my mirror to help drive the point in. I am a cuckold, an object of derision. I am a cuckold, an object of derision...

Edith saw it and threw the sticky away. She told me later I am NOT a cuckold.

But I am. You made me this, Edith. You defined me as such. There is only three things that can change that fact: You die, I die, or we divorce. I don't like any of those choices. So I guess I will remain forevermore, her cuckold.

But the shame doesn't stop there. No, there are those men that at least can say they didn't know. Most men didn't know they were betrayed, and when they did, they had the courage to say, "You can stop the adultery or we are done!" There are those that decide to end the marriage immediately and only remain a cuckold for a short time.

Then there are those men that knew they were being betrayed, that knew their wives were with other men, that knew they were being abused yet stayed. For them there is another term:

Henpecked.

(of a woman) continually criticize and give orders to (her husband or other male partner).

synonyms: browbeaten, downtrodden, bullied, dominated, subjugated, oppressed, intimidated;

That fit me.

Ironic, that they are both terms from birds. Perhaps it is not.

I am a henpecked cuckold.

I saw her getting closer and closer. I failed to give myself enough respect to avoid what befell me. I was too loving, too trusting, too naïve, to believe my wife could do such a deed. But even before the affair, I allowed her to criticize me to such an extent, that she felt should could have an affair and tell me after she got off the phone with the OM, "If you don't let me have this friendship, we are over!" And so this henpecked cuckold listened attentively while she put me in my place, at the back of the pack, waiting for seconds.

I can't change the fact that I am a cuckold. My wife chose that for me. And as long as I am her husband, I will forevermore be just that.

But I can choose to have self respect. I can choose what I do and when I do it. I can choose to set boundaries and ask my wife to observe them.

It is a bitter pill. It sticks in my throat. Do I stay for my children? Do I stay for my comfortable life and the prestige of my position? Do I stay for my wife who holds me in such low regard that she can't give me the most basic respect? Why am I still here?

I guess I am still here because I want to give Edith just a bit more time to pull herself together. I want to give myself just a bid more time to set boundaries and enforce them. I am still trying to stand up straight and tall and say, "I deserve a wife who will treat me with love and respect. I deserve a wife who is loving to me and appreciates who I am and what I do."

If not, then perhaps I can shed the badge of cuckold and start anew.

[This message edited by notperfect5 at 12:59 AM, August 3rd (Monday)]

Me: 55 BH Her: 52 WW - Edith12
DDay 8/13 EA, fake R
Turned PA on 4/27/14 and fake R
PA during MC and my IC and her IC through 12/14
Polygraph on 4/30/15, TT 5/5/15.. TT on 10/4/15, 2nd Poly and TT 11/17/15
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5454real ( member #37455) posted at 6:57 AM on Monday, August 3rd, 2015

STOP!

Nothing you did or didn't do made her CHOOSE adultry.

NOTHING!

That's all on her.

Knowing she's reading this tempers my reply.

180. Find yourself. Maybe, just maybe, she will find remorse.

You'll know it when you see it.

Strength brother

BH 58, WW 49
DS 31(Mine),SD 29,SS 28(Hers),DS 16 Ours, DGS 11, DGD 8, DGS 3
D=Day #1 5/04EA (Rugswept)
D-Day #2 3/10/12, TT til 3/13/12
Married 13yrs
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― Sophocle

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annanew ( member #43693) posted at 7:16 AM on Monday, August 3rd, 2015

Either you are dancing around something significant, or there really is no reason for her resentment. You stopped opening car doors for her. If all your examples are like that, then there is no reason for it and her resentment was created BY and FOR her. That's one 'why' she needs to figure out. 'Forgiving' you is meaningless - there is no offense to forgive. Your reconciliation will go nowhere if her 'forgiving' you is the cornerstone of it.

Single mom to a sweet girl.

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HobbesTheTiger ( member #41477) posted at 8:34 AM on Monday, August 3rd, 2015

That last post was hard to read. I'm glad you're in IC.

Keep talking to us, we're here for you.

Best wishes

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realitybites ( member #6908) posted at 12:24 PM on Monday, August 3rd, 2015

THIS is the complete madness of infidelity. That whole last post of yours shows how a BS goes into the hole of believing that they have done something to make the A happen. And then accepting the fact of who you are with labels.

Sadly I don't think you will ever heal as long as you are around Edith or continue to try to heal thru Edith. While she is digging for her whys or trying to find her way you are going further and further into the rabbit hole.

I am glad you updated. But so sorry for you that you had to write something like you just did. But it is cathartic to write it out and hopefully some day a few years from now you will pull that out and look at it and realize you are not that person. But I get it, I do....it is the pain of a BS who decides to try to stay with their WS and family and work it out. It is a journey of a 1000 cuts, and no one can live it but you.

Stop expecting loyalty from people who cannot even give you honesty.

He stopped being my husband the first time he cheated. It took me awhile to understand that I was no longer his wife.

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cocoplus5nuts ( member #45796) posted at 12:41 PM on Monday, August 3rd, 2015

I don't want to appear to be trying to minimize your situation or your pain, but yours is not unique. I bet everyone's story here has the same basic elements, disappointed expectations based on fantasy, resentments, emotional withdrawal. No one is perfect, ever!

So you weren't the "perfect" husband. So what? I certainly wasn't the perfect wife. I've done all those things in my M that you say you've done in yours. I also experienced the other side b/c my WH did those things sometimes, too. I had resentments. I felt unloved, unappreciated, not just misunderstood, but completely unknown, just like my WH says he felt right before his A. Guess what? Neither you nor I went and found a fuck buddy b/c we were sad. Poor us.

None of that normal, every day, long-term relationship crap caused your WW to have an A. She did it b/c she's broken. She has serious issues that she needs to address that have absolutely nothing to do with you. Ya know how so many people say the AP could have been anyone? Well, we BPs could have been anyone, too. What I mean by that is that I don't think it would have ever mattered who these waywards were married to, they would have cheated b/c, ultimately, they are cheaters.

There's nothing wrong with looking at your own faults and character defects and wanting to improve yourself. Just don't use those as reasons, excuses, or justifications for someone else's behavior. You are not responsible in any way, shape, or form for your wife's affair. Only she is.

Do I stay for my wife who holds me in such low regard that she can't give me the most basic respect?

No! Never! No matter the circumstances, do not stay for her. Stay for you or make her leave.

Me(BW): 1970
WH(caveman): 1970
Married June, 2000
DDay#1 June 8, 2014 EA
DDay#2 12/05/14 confessed to sex before polygraph
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tushnurse ( member #21101) posted at 1:12 PM on Monday, August 3rd, 2015

Well well well. NP5 is finally seeing the situation for what it really is.

First of all I want to concur that you have ZERO to do with how she felt and how she chose to react. ANYONE with healthy boundaries and communication skills could have discussed the issues at hand and worked through them. Instead she used it as an excuse to pull away, and then turn it around and blame you for her choices.

They were her choices.

You are absolutely right. You do deserve the love of a partner that respects you as much as the stranger on the street. Personally I don't care if Edith is reading this, and I'd be willing to bet my next meal, that she has no intention of doing the hard work of healing herself. She has chosen not to for over a year, it has been a year since you were certain she was cheating on some level. I hope now you see that no matter how much time she is given she will again be free of choice to do whatever she feels. She will choose wrong again. She won't own her crap, and she won't dig down and really examine all her ugly brokenness, and beg someone to help her fix it. It's much easier to blame you.

At some point I hope you realize just how f'd up this is, and how much an impact it is having on your beautiful children. Would you really want any of your girls to be put in the situation you have been? That of an abused spouse, who is nothing more than a housekeeper, parent, and cook? They deserve better role models.

Me: FBSHim: FWSKids: 23 & 27 Married for 32 years now, was 16 at the time.D-Day Sept 26 2008R'd in about 2 years. Old Vet now.

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T123 ( new member #44668) posted at 2:10 PM on Monday, August 3rd, 2015

I deserve a wife who will treat me with love and respect. I deserve a wife who is loving to me and appreciates who I am and what I do.

Yes you do NP5, absolutely you do. Don't settle for anything less.

So when someone new came, the lack of forgiveness made her vulnerable to OM driving a wedge between us

Vulnerable to OM? That implies your wife was an innocent victim. You need to remove this notion from your head. She chose to have an affair, in fact she pursued it even after you asked her to end it.

She says now she is getting better every day. The rage and resentment is gone and she feels a veil has lifted and a weight is finally off her shoulders.

How fortunate for her that she is feeling better. How about the burden of pain, anguish, and self doubt she has set upon your shoulders? What is she doing to help you feel better?

The affair enabled her to let them all go.

It doesn't sound like that is true at all...

When we go to MC, she cries over the things I've done to her over the last 25 years

The resentment is still there. If resentment fueled her affair then it is only a matter of time until she justifies to herself to do it again.

NP5, you have explained why you have stayed. What reason has Edith given you for staying?

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confused615 ( member #30826) posted at 2:21 PM on Monday, August 3rd, 2015

Well well well. NP5 is finally seeing the situation for what it really is.

Finally. And..this is a GOOD thing, np5. As painful as it is..

Personally I don't care if Edith is reading this, and I'd be willing to bet my next meal, that she has no intention of doing the hard work of healing herself. She has chosen not to for over a year, it has been a year since you were certain she was cheating on some level. I hope now you see that no matter how much time she is given she will again be free of choice to do whatever she feels. She will choose wrong again. She won't own her crap, and she won't dig down and really examine all her ugly brokenness, and beg someone to help her fix it. It's much easier to blame you.

This.

I know you want to believe she is starting to get it..but she's not. She is complying. She is telling you what you want to hear, but doing no actual work.

I agree with tushie...she is reading this. I would bet the farm she reads all of your posts..and the responses..so she knows how to manipulate you further. Not to get insight or understanding...kinda like her IC sessions are not about working on herself..but to learn how to tolerate you..so nothing much has changed here.

At some point I hope you realize just how f'd up this is, and how much an impact it is having on your beautiful children. Would you really want any of your girls to be put in the situation you have been? That of an abused spouse, who is nothing more than a housekeeper, parent, and cook? They deserve better role models.

Indeed.

What you have taught them is..they should accept and withstand an enormous amount of abuse from their spouse. That, as long as they stay married, that's all that matters. They should sacrifice their self respect, dignity, and their health, just as long as their spouse doesn't leave. That they should stay married at all costs.

I know you think this isn't affecting them too much. You are rugsweeping this mess with them...just like edith did for the last year or so. How did that work out for you? Are you happy, healthy, and thriving? No? Then why inflict that upon your kids?

Are the kids in IC yet?

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FWH 48
4 kids
M: June 2001
D-Day: 8/10/10



..that feeling you get in your stomach, when you heart's broken. It's like all the butterflies just died.


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Sastrugi ( member #43211) posted at 2:21 PM on Monday, August 3rd, 2015

Hi NP5,

you said, " But I can choose to have self respect. I can choose what I do and when I do it. I can choose to set boundaries and ask my wife to observe them".

To be polite... you have had trouble enforcing boundries before, what changed this time?

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Her- WS/BS

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sorrowfulmate ( member #43441) posted at 7:13 PM on Monday, August 3rd, 2015

I like your cancer analogy. I think it is especially applicable because at the inception of this affair was, at it's root, resentment. The resentment, like cancer, spread unchecked everywhere in our marriage.

She was broken before you married her. I am a big believer that affairs just don't pop out of nowhere. They are primed by the wayward. Resentment towards you was an excuse, not the cause.

I have done so much wrong in my marriage, as all of us do in our marriages. I was, at times, selfish, childish, uncaring, prideful, forgetful, unloving, uncaring, unhelpful, and mean. But by far most of the time I was not. I was a good husband and father, really working hard and trying hard to do what was best for us.

Can I point out the fact that you didn't cheat? Even for all your character defects, you didn't go outside the relationship.

When Edith and I were married, she thought I could hang the moon

This is the Limerence of the marriage.

the state of being infatuated or obsessed with another person, typically experienced involuntarily and characterized by a strong desire for reciprocation of one's feelings but not primarily for a sexual relationship.

the lack of forgiveness made her vulnerable to OM driving a wedge between us

Dude, you are pointing the finger at the wrong person. It could have been her bisexual hair dresser, the milkman, or any number of countless human beings that she had interaction. Mr. Music was simply in the right spot and in the right place, and was willing. Edith, is the one who could have said no. There is something called FREE WILL - take the example of Eve in the Garden, she could have said No. Adam, could have also refused to participate, but he did. It all comes down to the individual choice of the participants.

No one holds a gun to someone's head when they are having an emotional or physical affair.

So, in hindsight, that was the start of it all. That is what I see as the foundation of the "why". She would not forgive me. And so she doomed our marriage to disaster.

No.... it wasn't the foundation. There was something inside Edith all along that allowed that choice. And, Dude, let me point out there are husbands to pull much more shit than you did with the finances who don't get cheated on. Again, quit hitting yourself with the blame bat.

It boils down to the following: Edith saw, Edith conquered, Edith Came. (Apologies to Caesar)

And from your first post:

When we go to MC, she cries over the things I've done to her over the last 25 years, and

She cries over what you have done to her over the last 25 years? Self-Centered, playing to the councilor, you do realize this is a waste of money because she doesn't get the fact that it has NOTHING to do with what you have done in the marriage?

she cries when I tell the MC I'm going to exact consequences on the OM for his actions in some small way.

Another reason she doesn't get it...

You are not willing to place the blame on the person who is at fault here. Hint: its not YOU, and ITS NOT THE OTHER MAN.

Yet, you continue to blame yourself, music man, all the while ignoring the elephant in the room which just happens to be named EDITH.

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5 kids DDay 12/13 (lied ONS)
Dday 3/3/14 - multiple EA, PA
TT ended in October when I had polygraph
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Valentinessucks ( member #46486) posted at 1:18 AM on Tuesday, August 4th, 2015

I guess I am still here because I want to give Edith just a bit more time to pull herself together. I want to give myself just a bid more time to set boundaries and enforce them. I am still trying to stand up straight and tall and say, "I deserve a wife who will treat me with love and respect. I deserve a wife who is loving to me and appreciates who I am and what I do."

You know another way you can say this?

Edith, here are the divorce papers. Please sign them now.

Sending you strength

Me: BS, 52 Him: WS, 68
Married 30 yrs; DDay E/A, 5/2012
2nd DDay, again E/A, broke NC 2/2014 Reconciling.

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Sal1995 ( member #39099) posted at 11:42 PM on Tuesday, August 4th, 2015

I think we over-complicate the "whys." Sometimes I think it's nothing more complicated than the fun and excitement of getting some strange and feeling like a single young adult outweighs whatever negative feelings about their actions that occasionally tries to rise to the surface.

I've been faithful to my wife since before we were married, over 20 years now. My "why" for that - character, integrity and will power. Otherwise, my libido would prefer that I screw every attractive woman who'd let me. I could fall in love or lust with a different woman every single day. I choose not to.

So, I think the most common "why" for waywards is poor integrity, low morality and character, and lack of will power. Fortunately, I do not think those are necessarily permanent conditions. We see examples of people who work hard on improving themselves on this site every day.

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Unhinged ( member #47977) posted at 4:31 AM on Wednesday, August 5th, 2015

You've chosen quite a word to define yourself with, even if you do believe it's your wife's fault.

Cuckhold, smuckhold!

Are you seriously going to let a woman like the one you just described define who you are?

Right now, brother! You are your own worst enemy! If you are not currently in IC, find someone quickly and talk to him.

We humans have a capacity to be our own stumbling blocks! Get out of your own way, man!

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D-Day April, 2015
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