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One Year DDay Anniversary

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Aloha808 ( new member #54467) posted at 11:12 PM on Wednesday, August 3rd, 2016

Wow I’m so sorry to hear that you are going through this daily struggle. I feel your pain. It is completely normal to be feeling the way you are feeling after everything you have endured over the last 12 months but I see hope for you and your relationship as it seems like you are both committed and taking forward steps to restore the relationship. It will take time and a lot of healing between you both but if you’re both willing to put in the work and do what’s required there’s no reason you can’t find love and happiness with each other again. I know so much easier said then done.

You mentioned that the images of her affair play over in your mind, which is such a torment and can stall the healing process. When I was going through something similar, being racked by thoughts and images of infidelity and unfaithfulness I found the Focus on the Family website really helpful. They have some really good articles and resources which helped me better understand what I was going through and how I could overcome it. Maybe it might be something worth looking into for yourself if you haven’t already.

Keep hanging in there!

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hopeforthefuture94 ( member #47348) posted at 12:28 AM on Thursday, August 4th, 2016

Walloped,

You are 365 days into this nightmare. In the big pictures, that is NOT very much time. However, in your current situation, those 365 days feel like an eternity and you are tired and I suspect depressed.

I was depressed the first year after dday and it didn't worry me initially because I had never been depressed in my life, so I figured, "you deal with all the emotions and don't worry for the first year and then after the year mark, start climbing back out of this dark abyss."

When I couldn't climb out, and couldn't make myself go to the gym and couldn't make myself run.... it was something I used to enjoy doing. And I no longer was running. I gained about 10 pounds during the first year. I didn't have the energy to run. I didn't WANT to run. I stayed in bed instead of going to the gym and I didn't care. And after months of that, I was finally worried enough and went to see a doctor and he put me on meds. I was on them for 6 months. I gained another 10 pounds and lost any desire for intimacy but I felt better. It was just what I needed. After about 6 months, I started to wean off them and it took 6 weeks to wean off the meds and now I am back to being able to start caring again. I'm still a shell of who I used to be, but I now have some energy to put toward caring. That's a huge step for me and I have started losing a few pounds.

I will be honest, I cried when I read your post today. Your posts have always resonated with me because my circumstances in a lot of ways are similar to yours and there have been times I had my H read your post because it described so well what I was thinking. And they validated me and helped me to see I wasn't crazy for feeling that way.

So today, I hope to do the same for you. You don't need any 2X4's you just need someone to let you know you are not alone.

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gottagetpastthis ( member #46645) posted at 1:00 AM on Thursday, August 4th, 2016

Hi Walloped, sorry you're going thru this. I'm 2 years, 2 months out. At 1 year, I vacillated between anger and depression. I had A LOT of anger, which is not like me, normally. Well, neither is depression. Yes, I think that's the plain of lethal flatness. I have lived there. I still visit sometimes. Honestly, I'm still in limbo, but we're still together. I haven't forgiven him. I don't know if I ever can. Which is also unusual for me, I'm a very forgiving person, usually. But this betrayal - there's nothing I've ever experienced that even approaches the pain and damage it's done. This isn't a very encouraging post, I'm sorry! What I mean to say is that I think what you're going thru is totally normal. I'm still trying to assess if this person he turned out to be is someone I want to be with, and still not convinced I can ever trust him again. Good luck. I wish you strength and comfort.

"What fresh Hell is this?" - Dorothy Parker
D-day: 6.1.14/ TT
Me: Betrayed
Him: WBF (Bipolar, NPD)
2 kitties
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BlueIris ( member #47551) posted at 1:32 AM on Thursday, August 4th, 2016

I think my 1-year DDay anniversary post was mostly upbeat, if I remember correctly, but man, it's been nearly impossible to hold on to that optimism for any sustained period of time.

I am at 17 months and a handful of days, and I think I've had more bad days than good this second year, which I suppose I didn't expect. I also thought that once I knew I'd committed to R, that it would just be "recovering", but I've found that the plain of lethal flatness exists, and that vacillation is likely pretty normal even when there are times when I am sure I want R. Because there are also many times when I think that I just can't do this - that the deal was irrevocably broken and that I'm kidding myself.

The thing is, those times seem to play leapfrog with the "I definitely want R" times and occasionally even the "I don't know what I want and that's okay" times. I can say that I am still very resentful to be on this "journey", and I know that resentment isn't healthy but damned if I can find a way to not feel it - to get past it or through it or whatever I'm supposed to do.

I had high expectations that getting past the 1-year mark would feel like a quantifiable improvement - less pain, fewer mind movies, more hope, more motivation... I suppose some of those have happened, but it's been so gradual that it's been a huge disappointment and frustration; and, it's not always been forward movement, either.

I'm TIRED. I have moments where I feel some spurt of energy and I'm all "Yay! Finally!" only to be shocked by some trigger or even just ...having the truth roll around and sit on my chest until I can't breathe. Some days I think about focusing on R, but mostly, at this point, I need to work on me. And I admit that sometimes, I am afraid that I'll wake up one day and realize that this can't be fixed or repaired or recovered. That's pretty much where I am now - I am really beginning to appreciate that healing the individuals (both BS and WS) is crucial. The rest will come when it does, whatever that is.

Peace to you.

[This message edited by BlueIris at 11:29 AM, August 4th (Thursday)]

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noname7 ( member #53890) posted at 3:36 AM on Thursday, August 4th, 2016

From everything I've read on SI and personal experience I'd say the way you described feeling is normal for your time frame. Maybe you should see your doctor for antidepressants or antianxiety meds if you're not on one. As far as questioning if you drag this out for another year or two and still decide its a deal breaker, you could question how you'd feel not to do everything possible to reconcile. That's what has kept me married, even during times i felt I shouldn't have. If I divorce I want to know I did everything possible to save my marriage I'm a little over 22 months from dday and in the middle of affair season and am struggling as well. Just try to take care of yourself and take things one day at a time again when you need to.

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waitedwaytoolong ( member #51519) posted at 4:03 AM on Thursday, August 4th, 2016

walloped you have given me some great advice.

Not a whole lot to offer but you seem to be in a place that is natural after what you have been through.My story has some similar elements . Like you my wife did a 180 degree turn around. All thoughts of the AP were gone in almost an instant. She did everything right and took everything I dished out. She did the hugs and apologizing too. Also similar is the timidness that she had after the affair. She lived in fear that one mistake on her part and that would be it. To be honest, it drove and still drives me crazy. I wanted a partner again not a scared shell of herself.

My only hope for you is that you can get to forgiveness quickly from here. I know people talk about time, and I was waiting it out too, but scar tissue formed on me and the relationship and I just couldn't fight my way out of it. If you think there is a chance try to fight for it now. It just gets harder after all of the bad habits are formed.

good luck!

I am the cliched husband whose wife had an affair with the electrician

Divorced

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rambler ( member #43747) posted at 4:20 AM on Thursday, August 4th, 2016

I hate using the word normal as nothing in any of this is normal.

What you are going through is common. What will vary is the lenght and the strenght of depression. It is one of the stages of grief.

Your next and final stadge is acceptance.

I often think about band of brothers were lt Spears told Pvt Blythe that the only way to survive is to accept that you are already dead.

Accept that the marriage you had is over and it will never come back. Accept that the person you were will never be back. Accept that the woman you knew and loved is gone forever. Not fair but it is reality.

Once you accept and let go, you can start to rebuild. It may be with your wife or may not.

Stop taking one for the team because no team nor marriage can survive with an important member being a true part of it.

Work on you and your future.

Ol

making it through

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 Walloped (original poster member #48852) posted at 4:59 AM on Thursday, August 4th, 2016

I don't quite know what I was expecting when I posted my update this morning. This is on me and I'm aware of that and right now I know I'm in this funk and I need to claw my way out and fight for me. Not her. Not my M. Me. The rest is secondary. And will either come once I become stronger and healthier or it won't. And I need to be okay with that and accept it. I know this. But knowing and doing are different things.

I also wanted a reality check that what I'm experiencing is normal (or common ) and not something to be overly concerned with. Thank you for posting and letting me know I'm not alone. It helps immeasurably.

Last, my wife approached me when I came home from work this evening. No kids around due to summer camp, so it was easy for us to talk, which we did for most of tonight. She acknowledged the day and she recapped what she's learned this past year about herself and us, and she committed to continuing on this path of personal growth, whether our M survives or not. She once again apologized for what she put me and us through. And then she thanked me for giving us a chance.

All in all, a pretty emotionally exhausting day.

Me: BH 47
Her: WW 46
DDay 8/3/15
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iwillNOT ( member #40605) posted at 7:56 AM on Thursday, August 4th, 2016

Hi Walloped. I have followed your story, though I can't recall if I have posted on your threads. I don't post much any more. I see you have gotten lots of good replies. I just wanted to contribute a few things from almost 3 years out.

First, you are at your one year anti-versary. It's so very hard, I know I was a wreck at mine, really just bucke in for some rollercoastering and give yourself some kindness and leeway.

Try not to have too many expectations right now.

Second, welcome to year two. While we have all got individual journeys, we know there are so many commonalities. Many here day year two is harder than year one. Maybe. For me, it was very different from year one. It was the year I POLF'd from the sheer exhaustion of it all, the year the rollercoaster slowed down enough for a really clear look at the landscape of the country I now found myself in, and the year I truly had to accept what had happened. The huge, wrenching crisis was mostly past(mostly), but the wound still ached and throbbed and I was forever changed. Now what?

I realized that this was never going to go away, but would always be part of me, of us. I realized also that my WH couldn't fix it for me. He had done what was asked of him, and more, but there was a point where I had to begin to walk alone to my own healing.

Man that pissed me off. He should FIX this. He owed it to me. I didn't choose this pain, why should I have more pain trying to figure out how to get by, heal, move forward. It's not fair, it's not just. It just is.

Have you considered IC for yourself? Sorry, I can't remember if you already did. Might be a good thing for you to direct your energies to yourself for a while.

I wish you well.

Eta - since you asked, yes, I do think you are expecting too much from yourself, too soon. We heal when we heal. We know when we know, and we type A people can really struggle with that.

[This message edited by iwillNOT at 2:05 AM, August 4th (Thursday)]

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Him: WH, 47
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4 amazing kids
Dday#1 2004, 3 years after EA/PA co-worker MOW
Dday#2 8-6-13, 13 months EA/9months PA with co-worker MOW - caught not confessed
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anoldlion ( member #51571) posted at 8:17 AM on Thursday, August 4th, 2016

Walloped,

I thought about you several times Wednesday. I read your update and understand your feelings. It will get better. I have lived a life of danger and considered myself to be a strong man. But, there was a time, about 35 years ago, I stood in my senior NCO billets, in a foreign country and begged God to kill me. That is how bad I hurt. A hurt like I had never felt before even with the death of people close to me. Both she and I had done wrong. I'm so blessed He didn't do what I ask because me and the woman I love more than life itself found our way back to each other. She and I celebrated our 50th wedding anniversary in December. Life can be so very good even after a bad hurt. The memory will always be at the back of your mind but the hurt will go away. If there is love there is a way to once again find each other. I truly wish you and your wife well.

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HobbesTheTiger ( member #41477) posted at 9:27 AM on Thursday, August 4th, 2016

How's IC been going for you? It sounds like you might be depressed, which is understandable. Have you talked to a professional if he/she thinks you're depressed? I also think it would be good to preventively do a check up of your hormones, because all the shit you've been through might have influenced your hormones that in turn might contribute to you feeling like you do.

Also, have you considered EMDR therapy? Also, think about talking to a therapist with additional experience in sexual area to gain ideas on how to help improve the situation in the bedroom (re: holding back etc.)? At this point, think about if what you have to lose by trying to not hold back in the bedroom is realistically worse than continuing to hold back for the foreseeable future.

How are the kids?

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iamanidiot ( member #47257) posted at 10:16 AM on Thursday, August 4th, 2016

Hi Walloped. I am 19 months past DDay but I just celebrated my 35th anniversary. 40 Years ago I met her and like you I put her on a pedestal.

Owl6118 said

You can save a marriage, and a family. But you can not have back that marriage that you had in your head, the marriage that was a Great Work of Art, your secret pride. You protected and valued a Romantic ideal and tried to make it real. For you it was real.

This was me, the great romantic. I took pride in My Fiance, My Wife, Our life. I had trophies, photographs etc etc. Even now after I know all the things my WS got up to, I still give her that special shower gel, big bunch of flowers, etc etc.

On SI they talk about your Story Book. These things are in MY story book. Mine is a romantic book. In my book 'I' put her on the pedestal. I never thought negative of her. the person in my book could not lie or even think lusting thoughts of another guy. In my book she was NOT capable of straying.

What is written in my spouse's Story Book, I now know. I found out. I have 'read it'. To keep re-reading all those things drives me mad and worse. It is a messed-up Horror Story, full of lust, lies & deceit. Not pedestal material at all.

I have a life and I choose to live it.

Easier said than done. But I cannot choose to go on re-reading, enforcing the negative all the time. (to me that means 'they' win - I can't allow that!!)

In my Story Book, I know what she did, but I am still ME!!

So 19 months out this is where I am. Hurting but determined to move on. Positively.

I am holding thumbs for you, and for me.

Me BS,57 Her WS,552 LTA & 2 ONS 30+years agoD-day 27/12/14At least I still have my sense of humor.I need it.Coming to grips with it all3 Adult childrenStill married

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WillNotBreakMe ( member #53035) posted at 11:18 AM on Thursday, August 4th, 2016

Walloped, we shared DDay anniversary yesterday. Just wanted to say I can feel just about all you have expressed feeling here. 1 year just really isn't a lot of time but it feels like eternity. Take care.

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Owl6118 ( member #42806) posted at 12:30 PM on Thursday, August 4th, 2016

So what did she report she has learned? How is she doing on building a new sense of herself, integrating into herself the knowledge of what she chose to do, and coming to live with it, independent of her efforts to support you with what you need? While you spend some time on the POLF how is her work going?

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cajun123 ( member #48989) posted at 12:31 PM on Thursday, August 4th, 2016

Walloped, prayers to you & your family this morning for healing. Wishing you only the best.

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 Walloped (original poster member #48852) posted at 3:46 PM on Thursday, August 4th, 2016

Again, thank you for all the replies.

I’m going to answer a few questions, and in the process, mention a few background things that are coming into play as well. To some, I’ve shared this privately although I’m pretty reticent to do so, but it’ll provide a little more color on me and my wife (I don’t think I’ve posted this publicly before, so apologies if I have).

Yes, I am in IC. Have been pretty much since a couple of weeks after DDay. He does not think I am depressed. He believes it's the POLF, although he didn't give it that name. He liked it and thought it a pretty accurate moniker when I told him though. His view is that I am holding back allowing myself to heal. That I am holding on to my bitterness and anger as some kind of security blanket. Not that I don't have a right to feel this way, but because I am doing so, I am not allowing myself to accept the changes in my life, what has happened, and look at my wife with a fresh pair of glasses. He says that perhaps it will take time, but I will truly heal and therefore truly R with my wife when I am ready to let go of the pain. And that it's okay if I'm not there yet. So the key for me to not put a timeline on anything or expect anything to magically happen, but instead to figure out why exactly I'm holding on to this anger. Do I need to feel angry? Is it a protection / defense mechanism? A form of punishment for my wife?

And here’s a major FOO issue of mine, which I’ve only shared with a few folks (anonymity is a wonderful thing). My brother does not know, but in short, my mother had an affair with a friend of mine’s father. My father never knew I knew. Neither does my mother to this day. And she killed him. I’ve said before that he died young – at age 46. He was a brilliant man, and very kind and warm hearted. Loved to laugh. Not a confrontational person, and was willing to forgo his own pride for the sake of peace. But utterly capable. Anyway, I was a teenager when I found out. My friend’s dad would show up at the house at odd times, etc. I do remember when his wife confronted my mother shortly after I figured out what was happening and my father went to their house to talk to them. They brushed it off to me and my brother as a simple neighborly dispute, but I knew what was going on. In addition, my mother would never sacrifice what she wanted for my father’s sake. My mother wanted to go dancing, he wasn’t the type. So she went herself. I was younger, so I didn’t fully comprehend what this meant, and I have no idea if it was innocent on her part or not, but she’d discuss what this man said or that one, at the dinner table. I’d ask who so-and-so was and she’d say, “Oh, one of my dancing partners.” It destroyed my father. I know he stayed married for me and my brother. That was him. And he became depressed. Perhaps not medically, but he became overweight and basically just gave up. He died from an asthma/heart attack at age 46. I hated my mother. To some degree I still do. And in my mind she killed him. Took away his will. His fire. Anyway, a key issue we discuss is that I’m scared to death that I’m going to end up like my dad. And so when I am experiencing the POLF, or any other major downward mood swings I get very nervous that this is my first step leading me down the same path as my dad.

And yes, my wife knows about this and the impact my mother’s affair has had on me. It’s one reason she was so hard on herself in the wake of DDay. She knows what this means to me and she knows she’s now in the role of my mother and she’s terrified I’ll see myself as my father. It’s one reason she’s always apologizing and telling me how much she loves me and for a very long time she berated herself constantly. Because my mother was never remorseful. Quite the opposite in fact. And my wife wants to show me that she’s not her, despite what she did.

Another item we focus on is along the lines of what some of you had said. The vision I had of my wife does not reconcile with her actions. This has been very hard for me to accept and come to terms with. I was definitely co-dependent and my sense of self-worth was wrapped up in her and my family and so when that shattered…well, so did my sense of who I am and the value I bring to the table. And similar to all those who talked about me being a romantic and looking for meaning in my marriage and how that person and that marriage no longer exists, we've discussed something similar. Basically I've refused to accept this reality because if I do, then the rest of my walls come tumbling down and that is a very scary thing. And while I’ve made a great deal of progress on that front (as you can see, I can write about it and understand the concepts on an intellectual level), I don’t honestly know if it has all sunk in. But it needs to if I want to be able to move on either with or without her. But I can't unless I fully accept the fact that we now are all different people in a different marriage. Anyway, these are the some of the things we've been discussing at IC. I like him – he’s a good guy.

Regarding my wife, she’s learned a great deal about herself and her motivations in life. Her need to please and nurture others – as a way of proving her own self-worth. Her FOO issues and how that’s impacted her and how she sees herself. Just a comment about her FOO issues; she never was valued at home, growing up with dysfunctional parents, products of the Holocaust who had a whole host of issues to deal with. They went through WWII and went to Romania after the war, which was a communist country back then. They lived under that rule for another 15 years before coming to America. They have chilled since, but their house was cold and uncaring. They were very broken people. And it affected the childhood my wife had to deal with. She never got praise. Was never validated. No warmth. And I could go on and on with the emotional abuse she was subjected to. Every time she did something wrong, the line from her parents was “This is why we survived? So you could do this? It would have been better if we were gassed with everyone else.” And as horrible as that sounds, I don’t judge them. I just don’t think they knew how to deal with people period anymore. My father-in-law’s job at Auschwitz (he was a pre-teen) was to shovel out the bones and ashes to clean the ovens. I can’t even imagine what that does to a person – his entire family was killed there. I don’t know that he actually stayed sane after that. What they did to her wasn’t justified or even remotely understandable. But I cannot, or will not, judge them for it.

Anyway, she’s learned how her altruism and desire to help others is motivated by two things: One, to receive the praise and validation from others as a result. That she’s done something worthwhile and helpful. That she’s to be valued and appreciative. And two, she made it a life mission to ensure others know that they are valued, the way she wasn’t. People who can’t help themselves or think of themselves as a burden to society, that they are cared for and loved and appreciated. Her charity work is a manifestation of both of these things.

She’s learned a great deal about her poor coping and communication skills and tendencies. How she was feeling after her miscarriage. Our daughter’s engagement. My attention being elsewhere (work) rather than at home. Her sense of loneliness and questioning her identity. How wrapped up she was in that and how she didn’t know how to communicate her sense of loss to me. How she believed it was deserved and she was “losing” her daughter and lost her babies and how she lost me and so she was going to be alone, which was to be expected because she wasn’t someone to be valued anyway. She’s never used any of the above as an excuse. Rather, she’s talked about how they framed her thinking and how she’s been working on opening up, sharing her feelings, communicating needs and desires, exercises on valuing herself not based on others or her actions but who she is as a person (all of which I’ve seen, btw).

And most importantly, she's learning to accept that she did a horrible thing but that does not necessarily make her a horrible person. She can still be someone of value and worthy of love and affection despite her actions. She has a hard time grasping this. Bu the key is while she wants that from me, she's trying to feel that about herself, regardless of how I feel about her. That is the hardest thing she's been dealing with, because it's wrapped up in everything she's about. Inner strength and self-worth that's not contingent on someone else's opinion - even if that person is me.

Sorry for the long post.

Me: BH 47
Her: WW 46
DDay 8/3/15
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Unhinged ( member #47977) posted at 5:20 PM on Thursday, August 4th, 2016

Quite a lot in here Walloped. And a lot that I can relate to.

First off, my friend, you are not your father. He made his choices. You are not bound by the same fate. Indeed, now that your eyes are wide open, you have the ability to break a dynamic that your father probably inherited from his parents. You are your own man, Walloped.

...products of the Holocaust...

My father's family is Jewish (Mom's is Christian). His parents' families were all Eastern European Jews who either fled or were kicked out of countries in the early 20th Century, all before the First World War. The rest of their extended families were not so fortunate. My step-mother's father, however, survived a concentration camp and escaped near the end of the war, fearing the Russians as much as the Germans. To say that my step-mother and her brothers have issues is quite the understatement. My father, shortly after marrying her, did quite a lot of research and talked extensively with his wife about the profound and lasting impacts on survivors and their families. What your wife grew up with is extremely common, to the eternal shame of Mankind.

It's extremely encouraging to read that both you and your wife are starting to recognize and address the issues you've both had throughout your lives that have limited you both. My wife and I are doing the very same thing. Taking apart the marriage and separating our own issues from each other has allowed us both to see not only how and why we went wrong, but how we can start to resolve all of this issues. It's a quite the process.

Basically I've refused to accept this reality because if I do, then the rest of my walls come tumbling down and that is a very scary thing.

Baby-steps, man. There's no need to take a giant leap of faith. There's no simple solution or switch to flip. This takes time and practice and discipline and it's not easy by any stretch of the imagination. It's a LOT to accept, let alone reconcile and, if possible, forgive.

I think you're IC is quite right. It's a POLF. But you can also consider this a respite of sorts. Give yourself some time to chill for a while, relax as much as you can.

Detach. This is something has been drilled into me on this site by several people. In order to rebuild what was lost, you have to clear away all the flotsam and jetsam. It's the work every BS has to do at some point. And often enough, that can involve a bit of debriding of old wounds.

I think you're doing pretty well, man, all things considered. Keep up the good work and remember, you have the ability to change your own life, and that's about as far as it goes. You know?

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Stillbroke ( member #53694) posted at 5:54 PM on Thursday, August 4th, 2016

Walloped,

I also have a similar time line as you, this is the season when the wife left me (D) completely to be with the OM full time, so yea the fall of the year is a tough time for me.

I am 25 years out from DD and I am struggling now which is how I ended up at this web site. However I can relate to the early years you are in now. The wife was doing everything right to facilitate the R but I was not the same person anymore. I had to face some very hard truths about the mother of my child that I still to this day find hard to believe.

But what I did figure out pretty quickly was that I had to trust her no matter what my brain was screaming at me. I knew that if I didn't show her trust the R would fail before it ever got started. So I was able to show her trust when I needed to. And she has never given me reason to doubt her trustworthiness since we re-married. I made a lot of mistakes in how I handled all that mess over the years but I don't think that was one because it is so foundational to the R.

I also never openly let her see my pain when I got triggered. Sometimes it was so obvious a blind person would have felt it, but mostly it was just me getting quite and moving off to be alone. I figured that she was trying and if I was going to do my part I had to deal with it, after all I already knew whatever the trigger was when I agreed to R.

Don't take that I am here at 25 years out as a sign that you will be. I didn't handle the whole deal properly and now I am paying the cost of that. I wish I had followed more of the path you seem to be on, I probably wouldn't be here now. And don't think that over those 25 years there was not good times, there were a million good times.

My point is this, everything you are feeling and experiencing is completely normal. And from I can see you are doing as well as anyone can with it. It sounds like your wife is truly trying and wants to make it work. Focus on the good things that happen daily, work through the triggers and 25 years from now hopefully you will be saying "I barely remember any of that stuff".

Me BS 58
Her WW 53

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ivehadit01 ( member #54210) posted at 6:03 PM on Thursday, August 4th, 2016

I think your inactivity is fueling your lethargy/depression.

I think you should make a firm decision to start feeling/doing things ( tell yourself : "I'm going to love my W , regardless" , "I'm going to exercise/go to the gym"...) , then start acting on it , start putting in the effort. And force yourself to do that again and again until it succeeds , and let the chips fall where they may .

Have your ever thought of telling your mother what you know about her A and how it's affecting you now ? Your brother maybe ?

That might take some weight off your shoulders.

[This message edited by ivehadit01 at 12:10 PM, August 4th (Thursday)]

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Esteban ( member #53606) posted at 6:41 PM on Thursday, August 4th, 2016

Walloped.

Please allow me to say a few words about your anger. First of all I agree with your therapist about you holding back, not allowing yourself to heal.

Being angry is a normal emotional reaction to the pain you suffered. People often build a big thick layer of anger on top of their sadness. It works as a shield to stop you from having to feel the pain and the sorrow underneath it. The impulse to lash out and hurt when we’ve been hurt is very human, very understable, but ultimately not helpful if you want to reconnect.

Anger is also used as a shield in order not to take further hits. Your anger is a reminder to your wife of what she did, so she is walking on eggshells around you. Resentment as a way to control and punish your wife. It is used to get the upper hand in your relationship with her. That's why when you make love, and lower your emotional defenses, you feel that pain all over again. Because the anger is gone and the pain surfaces.

The truth is you cannot heal unless you feel the sadness. Anger stops us from doing that. It’s easier to feel anger, and so you get stuck there. But you can’t heal when you’re stuck there. It’s part of the process and its certainly ok to feel angry but its not healthy to STAY angry. If you hold on to too much anger for too long, it makes you sick.

The past cannot be undone. So, you are faced with a choice. If you truly want to stay with her and rebuild a relationship together, at some point you are going to need to choose to let it go. It will take time, of course. And easier to say it than do it. BUt as I see it, it is the only way.

I hope this helps you.

[This message edited by Esteban at 12:53 PM, August 4th (Thursday)]

You come first. Love and respect yourself.

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