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 bardo (original poster new member #60500) posted at 4:54 PM on Tuesday, September 5th, 2017

I am so happy to have found this forum. My story is probably not dissimilar to many of yours. I would like to relate it, if I could, to see what you all think. My marriage is over, but I’m looking for ways to cope as I cannot function right now.

I have been with my wife for 13 years. Married for 6. Two kids ages 7 and 4. Both in our early 40’s. When we first met, it was bliss. It was like we had known each other for our whole lives. That said, there were red flags from the start. She drank excessively - every day when she got out of work she drank until she went to bed, didn’t matter if she was driving. Over time that lessened as her life stabilized from our relationship. In addition, after our “honeymoon” period wore off, I realized that she was not a very affectionate person in the way I wanted. Nor would she ever confront issues - she just didn’t like to talk about anything uncomfortable. Over the course of our marriage, her drinking has been a constant issue: she drinks every night, not terribly, but enough that I know she is dependent on it. She will not eat at a restaurant if they do not serve wine. My father died of alcoholism and I made it clear to her how much it bothered me. She never admitted she did anything wrong. Anyway, on to the shit hitting the fan:

The story starts at the beginning of this year. She was to be turning 40 in February, and suddeny I began noticing a lot of changes in her behavior. She began posting “pretty” selfies on social media. I didn’t think much of it, but I asked her about it and she said “oh… I just feel very pretty lately”. I told her that indeed, she is pretty. Little did I know that (I believe) it perhaps marked something more sinister. She hired a personal trainer and began lifting weights and lost 20lbs. I was very supportive. But along with this change came other self-destructive changes. She started smoking again and having been quit for years. I was pissed about that, and the tension continued to rise. She started staying out later with her friends, often coming home at 1am on a school night where she had to be up at 7. This was highly unusual. She was sleeping less at night but taking 1-2hr naps during the day while letting our 4yo sit and play video games. More tension: I suggested she stop staying out so late drinking so that she could effectively parent during the day.

But the biggest problem of all, over the last 7 months, has been a growing distance between us. I felt it immediately. It scared me. I KNEW something was wrong. And here’s the kicker. I would sit her down and calmly ask her to tell me if something was wrong between us. That I was worried and could feel it and wanted to know, as a first step, so that we could nip it in the bud now. She would ALWAYS look at me and say “nothing. everything is fine, you should not be worried. I’m just feeling a little depressed”. She was lying, as I look back now, as something was dreadfully wrong.

But then things seemed to get better. We took a trip together in April, without kids, and had a great time. Laughing, talking, having good sex at night. I felt so good after that trip. And things seemed fine for a couple months. But then this summer the distance between us returned. Again, me sitting her down and lovingly asking her to tell me what was wrong. She would always say “Nothing. Nothing is wrong”. And then I would convince myself that I’m overly sensitive, feel ok for a few days, then the pit in my stomach would return. Her drinking escalated, our distance increased. A month ago we went out to dinner for our 6 year anniversary and seemed to have an ok night. I toasted her to 6 years, and she said “Yeah, happy anniversary”, but there was little feeling in her voice. She tells me now that she knew at that point it was over. And yet she had sex with me that night for some reason. The sex gave me false hope that everything was ok

And then it came. Last Friday night (Sep 1st), we stood in the kitchen… at this point I was convinced that something was coming. My uneasiness was almost at a breaking point. I begged her to tell me what was wrong, I told her I could help with anything she was struggling with. After 10 minutes of her staring into space, the floodgates opened. She told me that our relationship has been over for a while for her, that she doesn’t feel the same, incompatible, and even said she sorta always felt this way!!! For years! Even back to the beginning!!!! I was stunned, I started pacing. Then the dagger came. She told me she met someone a month ago, and cheated on me, and that it’s not a fling and that she has feelings for him. What followed was 3-4 days of a blur, not sleeping, screaming crying, kids confused. Me begging her to stay, me threatening to kick her out, all over the place. Telling her she was the most horrible person in the world, then telling her how much I love her. Oh man. Throughout the last few days, she has shown very little emotion. Very little remorse. And she has few words. All she wants to talk about is arrangements for the divorce. I am there too… but I spend many hours trapping her into a conversation where I cry and yell that she has ruined me, and I didn’t deserve it. I made mistakes in the marriage. But at least I TRIED. Issues that we had were communicated, but BY ME ONLY.

The FACT is that she never ONCE *tried*. Not once. She never talked to me, never communicated, despite me for months trying to talk to her. She didn’t hold up her end of the bargain in marriage: that when the going gets tough, you at least communicate. That’s the very least. She didn’t do it, she gave our relationship NOT ONE OUNCE of effort. That is what is so infuriating. She betrayed me by not communicating, and then committed the ultimate betrayal.

I know this marriage is over. She shows 0% interest in working it out. She says she never said a word to me in 8 months because she didn’t think it would help. She lied to my face and told me nothing was wrong. I know it’s over. For years and years I go to work, and come home to my wonderful family. I look forward to coming home to them every day. And then thought of coming home to an empty house (on my non-custody days) is overwhelmingly sad. The thought of being with another woman is so foreign to me, so confusing. I haven’t been in that space for 13 years.

Since my marriage is over (despite my moments of weakness of begging), I suppose I am posting here as an attempt to achieve some level of comfort, knowing that I am not alone, and that one day maybe I will feel better. The pain is horrific: worse than when my dad died, worse then any other breakup, anything.

DDay: 9/1/2017

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dotterofTheKing ( member #45223) posted at 5:10 PM on Tuesday, September 5th, 2017

I'm so sorry you've been dealt this devastating blow (((Bardo))). You are right when you say it's pain unlike any other. What you said here really struck home for me:

That is what is so infuriating. She betrayed me by not communicating, and then committed the ultimate betrayal.

You are going to survive this!!! I'm very glad you found this site as many will have good advise to share with you.

Try to remember to eat and drink plenty of water...set your phone timer if needed. I just wanted you to know that I read your post and am empathetic.

I was BW (48), He was WH (47) at D-day
Together 27 years, married for 24
D-day was August 4, 2014
We have 3 beautiful children. (Two sons 19 and 20, one daughter 14.)
Affair with HS sweetheart.
Divorced January 26, 2016

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Suchasadsack ( member #59690) posted at 5:16 PM on Tuesday, September 5th, 2017

Wow, your story is very similar to mine- the alcohol, WS' s unhappiness, the state we live in, too! I am only a few months past DDay, but just filed. I guess I really haven't given much advice yet, because I am still fairly new and feel like I am just getting by. I try to remember, although it is very hard, that I wasn't happy living with the functioning alcoholic and neither was my DS (although, after DDAy WH stopped drinking and went to outpatient rehab. (( His young AP will reap the benefits)) I think this , not drinking may have been short-lived, though) I do know that this forum - the advice and just reading others' stories has really helped. Everyone is very caring and knowledgeable.

I know your range of emotions is normal at this point. Take care of yourself. Exercise or do whatever you can to get the aggression out. I will stop now, so you can read the more knowledgeable members' advice! Take care and I am very sorry that you are going through this.

[This message edited by Suchasadsack at 1:11 PM, September 5th (Tuesday)]

Hey little fighter, soon things will get brighter!

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Dorothy123 ( member #53116) posted at 5:30 PM on Tuesday, September 5th, 2017

Welcome to SI.

So sorry that you are hurting but so glad that you found us.

What you wrote here

The pain is horrific: worse than when my dad died, worse then any other breakup, anything.

........is very normal.

Here is proof.

"Being cheated on hurted you so bad that you could've "

http://www.survivinginfidelity.com/forums.asp?tid=588628

Here are some threads about physical symptoms of healing from an A and how long your physical symptoms may last.

"What physical symptoms of A did you have? "

http://www.survivinginfidelity.com/forums.asp?tid=597986

"Physical symptoms "

http://www.survivinginfidelity.com/archives.asp?tid=524902

Please hang tight, others will come along and give more support advice.

Sending you peace and strength.

Walking with you.

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Marriagesucks ( member #46828) posted at 5:43 PM on Tuesday, September 5th, 2017

I would suggest for you to see a lawyer immediatly. In Michigan adultery is a felony, even though it is a no fault state. How does this affect you? It can affect the amount of alimony you pay... to maybe even no alimony. Proof of your wifes adultery could have a significant impact. See a lawyer.

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CincyKid ( member #57948) posted at 5:55 PM on Tuesday, September 5th, 2017

Who is this OM? Is he married? If so, has his BW been informed? Any of these answers, don't get from your cheating wife. She'll lie. She's been lying to you for quite some time. Find these answers yourself.

Betrayed, life over...
Life goes on...
Met sunshine girl, fell in love...
Reconnected with wonderful DD...
Married sunshine girl, happy as can be!!!

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Randy1133 ( member #54958) posted at 6:29 PM on Tuesday, September 5th, 2017

BS Only

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Dday: May/Aug 2016
Divorced
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shellbean ( member #56536) posted at 6:46 PM on Tuesday, September 5th, 2017

I am so sorry you are here, bardo. You have been hit and hit hard. First things first...try to remain calm, keep yourself relaxed. You must take care of yourself. Drink lots of water, eat what you can, when you can. Sleep, even if it's only a few hours at a time. You cannot deal with this when you are dehydrated, hungry, and tired. You need all of those things to help you think clearly.

Get tested for STDs (yes sad, but necessary). Get a lawyer and get one quickly. Interview several, you need to find out what your rights are with regard to her infidelity. Also, find out if the AP has a wife or girlfriend. Expose the affair - exposure generally kills an affair. Even if you don't want your BW, it sure would feel good to expose the A and make her life uncomfortable, painful.

The only think I can say to you about the future is - TIME. Only time and distance from the discovery and aftermath, will help you. For now, you have to take things minute by minute, then hour by hour, then it will become day by day.

I am so sorry and I wish you peace and strength as you start this very long and painful process.

Together 29 years, M 20 years
Dday1 11/3/16 Dday2 11/1/17
PA '96-'98, PA Aug.'15-Nov.'16 Same AP
EA '09-'11
We are reconciled and doing well

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H3LL0 ( member #47872) posted at 7:03 PM on Tuesday, September 5th, 2017

Yes, I know the pain of adultery and it is a pain like no other. Nothing in life has ever hurt this much. I can tell you it will get better.

You need to document as much as possible her drinking habits. Even now. Courts don't care about adultery as much as they care about a parent's ability to raise the children. Her drinking AND her adultery AND going out late on school nights etc shows a very unhealthy pattern for the children. You need to document this stuff ASAP and even retroactively. If it is "legal" to do so in your state, record her confessing.

Now regarding your outbursts... if this comes to a custody dispute, she is going to bring out all the dirt on you. Yes you were hurt, yes you had outbursts, we all have... but you have to be very careful what you say.

She is on 2 drugs, the liquor and the high of infidelity. You are one of the only people that remind her of reality. Her friends are in wonderland with her, encouraging her. She will look at you and not "feel" good because of the pain she has caused and you remind her just by your presence of everything she is not doing right. The smoking and the drinking feel good to her and at the time so does the cheating and you are reminding her of the pain it causes and she doesn't like that and doesn't want to hear it.

The time of your relationship right now is the most volatile. You both are raw, she wants her children too.

You really need to see a lawyer to know your rights and make sure you put together a timeline before you do. Find out all of her income and yours and bring that with you too. The attorney can help walk you through and if you have a real concern for her ability to parent, you need to bring documentation even through timeline. It could be possible that she will walk away if confronted with enough evidence. This is the best way to "help" her come back to her senses. This includes her loved ones... She needs more people telling her she's screwing up because her friends are right there with her at these bars so to speak.

I know where you are and it could be worse, no one wants to hear that but it very well could be, I went through some of it.

You need a hobby or something to get out your physical energy to wear yourself down mentally or else you're going to blow and you don't need a domestic abuse charge on you right now. Do your best, hang in there and this site will help you... Don't tell her about this site if you pour your heart out though so it can't be used against you.

Me: BS, 41 Her: WS, 35
4 Children
Married 19 yrs; DDay 3/2015
2nd DDay 4/2015 3rd DDay 5/2015, Breach of NC 4/2016, 9/2016, 10/2016, 12/2016
Started Real Reconciliation Feb/2017

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 bardo (original poster new member #60500) posted at 7:34 PM on Tuesday, September 5th, 2017

Wow, thank you all SO MUCH! Some good advice here, mostly it is amazing to know that I am not alone.

As far as arrangements, when you know the full details you will see that going to lawyer is not the best idea. To set this up, she has not worked outside the home in 8 years. She has been a full time SAHM. The only asset she has in her name (besides our shared which are legally hers: house, car, etc.) is a 401k with 20k and 36k in student loans. So she basically has nothing; no job, no assets. She is entitled to roughly half of our marital assets, and her cheating doesn't affect that in a no-fault state (it may only affect alimony).

She and I both want to keep it civil without lawyers, and right now she is claiming she wants to settle it without going after my assets (retirement and house equity), she only wants enough to live on for a year until our youngest son enters kindergarten. Until that time she was be taking care of him in lieu of daycare. In a year, she will get a full time job and both of our kids will be latchkey. If she were to get a job now, it would be low paying and probably would only go to paying for daycare for the 4 year old.

The alternative is for her to get what she's entitled to legally, which will be FAR worse for me. I have a lot more retirement than her, and we have about 60k in equity in the house. If we fight in court, she will be entitled to a TON of cash.

Obviously, lawyering up is to be prevented, from my perspective. Thoughts?

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DDay: 9/1/2017

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josiep ( member #58593) posted at 7:50 PM on Tuesday, September 5th, 2017

You don't tell her you're going to a lawyer, you do it and keep it to yourself. Doesn't even mean you'll use an attorney in your D, it's just to go ask questions and find out exactly what the law requires and what the outcome would be if you don't come to agreement on your own.

And you want to get the answers from your own attorney. Not from your friend's or your coworkers, YOURS.

AlAnon would be a lifesaver for you. I encourage you to look into and read all you can and go to a meeting.

BW, was 67; now 74; M 45 yrs., T 49 yrs.DDay#1, 1982; DDay#2, May, 2017. D July, 2017

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TimelessLoss ( member #55295) posted at 7:52 PM on Tuesday, September 5th, 2017

She and I both want to keep it civil without lawyers, and right now she is claiming she wants to settle it without going after my assets, she only wants enough to live on for a year until our youngest son enters kindergarten. Until that time she was be taking care of him in lieu of daycare. In a year, she will get a full time jobs and both of our kids will be latchkey.

Bardo, then best you act on this right away before she changes her mind. Understand that once she sees the numbers and terms in writing she may turn 180 degrees on you. Especially if she has UGGs (You Go Girl) advising her. Have you discussed custody?

The MI Courts Self Help Center has a link to Michigan Legal Help where you can find toolkits for D.

"You've got to learn to leave the table when love is no longer being served"

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beenthereinco ( member #56409) posted at 7:52 PM on Tuesday, September 5th, 2017

Sometimes when the Wayward is on this high of the Affair and all is going well they will make a great deal that looking back they will regret. If you know that you want a D and she wants to make this quick and easy then my advice would be to take advantage of her being in this generous mood.

A lot of the advice you will get here about telling the OBS and blowing up the A are all about trying to shock your WW back into the marriage but if you know that you don't want that then I would hold off on all of that and make yourself the best deal you can for you and your children. I would be concerned about leaving the kids with someone that drinks all night if you are not going to be there to make sure they get fed, cleaned and in bed so think about all of that as you make this deal.

If you know the AP and know if they have a Wife themselves I think I would blow it up eventually. But that just may be me being spiteful.

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PlanNine ( member #46311) posted at 7:55 PM on Tuesday, September 5th, 2017

she only wants enough to live on for a year until our youngest son enters kindergarten. Until that time she was be taking care of him in lieu of daycare. In a year, she will get a full time job and both of our kids will be latchkey. If she were to get a job now, it would be low paying and probably would only go to paying for daycare for the 4 year old.

Ummmm...am I the only person who sees a problem with two 8 and 5 year old children being left unsupervised, if only for a few hours each day? I don't think that's even legal, let alone safe.

Edit: Just looked it up. The minimum legal age for this in Michigan seems to be 11.

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beenthereinco ( member #56409) posted at 8:03 PM on Tuesday, September 5th, 2017

Ummmm...am I the only person who sees a problem with two 8 and 5 year old children being left unsupervised, if only for a few hours each day? I don't think that's even legal, let alone safe.

Edit: Just looked it up. The minimum legal age for this in Michigan seems to be 11.

Yea at that age they will have to go to some sort of after-school care until someone gets off work. Usually there is something associated with the school that is not near as expensive as all-day daycare.

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 bardo (original poster new member #60500) posted at 8:08 PM on Tuesday, September 5th, 2017

Thank you for the sensible responses. She wants to arrange 50/50 custody, said she would never mess with that as she thinks I am a great father.

As for her A, I don't know if he is married or in a relationship. I don't think so, but possible. I suppose I can ask her. It seems unlikely. (She claims) it is an old friend she made a reconnection with in the last month, and that it wasn't planned. Of course once she committed adultery, it was 100% premeditated at that point. Makes me SICK SICK SICK. (I just got a wave of nausea).

She is being generous at the moment and I feel I need to get this through quick before she changes her mind. She's a good mother and yes, she has a drinking problem but it hasn't affected the kids. She doesn't often drink in front of them, only after they are in bed. There was ONE incident in 8 years of parenting where I thought she'd had too much to drink before driving with them, but I couldn't prove how much she had, only that she seemed a tiny bit tipsy. Driving with kids is zero-tolerance for being "buzzed". Aside from that, there have been no issues of neglect with our kids. Her parenting style is lazy and I don't agree with it, but it's not neglect.

Even though she's being "generous", it still hurts that I'm going to somehow have to scrape 2000 a month to fund my cheating ex-wife's life. But if we are going to live apart, and she has 50% custody, she needs a house for them. It just sucks.

As far whether I want a D, well, I said above that I go through periods over the last few days of begging her not to leave. It is fueled by fear of being alone, and also the pain of losing my best friend. We had issues, sure, but I still love her and the many great things about her. She is not a monster, at least I never thought so until the lying or cheating. I'm losing my best friend of 13 years with whom I shared so much, had so many great times and laughter and tears. Despite my admitted frustrations with her in the past, I absolutely adored her. But in my heart I know that this can't work. And the kicker is that she has told me repeatedly that there is zero chance this will work, and that she has no desire.

Obviously, D is a foregone conclusion. My issues now are trying to get out of it without much financial damage, and trying my best to function with this unbearable pain.

DDay: 9/1/2017

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 bardo (original poster new member #60500) posted at 8:10 PM on Tuesday, September 5th, 2017

PlanNine I don't think I said anything about them being unsupervised. My four year old will go to preschool 3x/week for 4 hours a day. The rest of the day while I am at work, she will be with him. And she will also pick up my 2nd grader from school mid afternoon. Then, when I get out of work, on my days, I will have both of the kids.

DDay: 9/1/2017

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HellFire ( member #59305) posted at 8:16 PM on Tuesday, September 5th, 2017

The term, "latchkey kid" refers to children who let themselves into an empty house at the end of the day, until parents get home from work.

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 bardo (original poster new member #60500) posted at 8:19 PM on Tuesday, September 5th, 2017

Oh ok, that's a misunderstanding: around here the after school programs that watch students of working parents are called "latchkey programs".

DDay: 9/1/2017

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sillyoldsod ( member #43649) posted at 8:31 PM on Tuesday, September 5th, 2017

So sorry you find yourself here bardo.

It is fueled by fear of being alone, and also the pain of losing my best friend.

I fully understand. Getting through this is one of the hardest things (quite possibly the hardest thing) you'll ever have to do in your life. But with time and the right help and support it can be done. We are here as proof buddy.

Best wishes and stay strong!

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