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 Seateasea (original poster new member #62771) posted at 4:49 AM on Tuesday, February 20th, 2018

I have been married for 36 years and found out 01/19/18 that my wife had sex with my best friend twice 34 years ago. We met in high school and she is the only person I have ever dated. She is my first and only sex partner and I was her first and only partner, so I thought for the past 34 years. My wife went out to a bar with her girlfriend, who is also married, one evening and were pickup by some guys. My wife went with one of the men to a local park where they had made out.She told me of this a few days after it happened. She told me that they just kissed. A week later she told me that he had undone her pants and placed his hands on her butt, but that is all. Being married for just under two years and the fact that she was my only girl ever, the event devastated me. I did not believe that was all that had happened. I became depressed and angry at her and accused her many times of cheating on me. She told me over and over again that nothing happened, but I just could not believe her. She then became angry at me for accusing her of being a cheat so she decided that if I was going to call her a cheater she might as well be one. That is when she began her affair with my best friend. The affair lasted only a couple of months and she told me they only had sex twice. I know it was a long time ago but it feels like it was yesterday. She has had 34 years to deal with her feelings about this but I have had only a couple of weeks. It hurts to think that she has lied to me for all these years. I think back at all the times she has told me that I was the only man she has ever been with. I now know this is not true. I'm so confused and don't know what to do.

Me-BH(58)
Her- WW(57)
Married- 37 years
Affair - 1984
DDay - 1/192018

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ZoeS ( member #62587) posted at 5:43 AM on Tuesday, February 20th, 2018

Seateasea, I am so sorry for your pain and that this has happened to you. You don't deserve this. This is not a club anyone wants to join.

If you feel comfortable, you can share more information which might be helpful to understand. I am wondering, why did this come up so many years later? It actually seems cruel for you to find out about this, after so many years when it's so far in the past. What is going on in your relationship currently?

There are some resources in the healing library that can help you understand some things better. I would take some time to read things in there. If your wife cares about you and wants to heal your relationship, she needs to take this very seriously and not act like it's all in the past and you should just get over it. How is she handling things?

Your feelings right now are perfectly normal. It's completely natural to feel a rollercoaster of emotions and be confused, and not know what to do. It's totally overwhelming. And in your case, it would be so hurtful to feel that she has lied to you for so long. This will take time to process. Give yourself time, lots of time. You don't have to decide anything right now or know what to do. It's also a double betrayal that she did this with your best friend. That is a really awful thing to do. I am so sorry.

This will get better, but right now I know it feels painful and terrible. I am a newbie here so I don't have that much advice, but I am sending you a hug from across the world.

BW
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The heart is a muscle.

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Crushed7 ( member #41129) posted at 6:41 AM on Tuesday, February 20th, 2018

She has had 34 years to deal with her feelings about this but I have had only a couple of weeks.

Keep this in mind because it is going to take a significant amount of time for you to heal from this. There is no rushing it and it isn't something that you can just get over.

Go get a copy (book or online PDF) of "How to Help Your Spouse Heal from Your Affair". It is a good starting point for both you and your wife.

[This message edited by Crushed7 at 12:41 AM, February 20th (Tuesday)]

Me-BH
Her-WW
Last DDay-2012 (several month EA/PA)
Married 30+ years

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The1stWife ( Guide #58832) posted at 10:35 AM on Tuesday, February 20th, 2018

Wow is this painful.

I found out 15 years later that my H had an A. Or I should say that 15 years after the fact he admitted to the secondvOW that the first EA existed and he knew it was wrong.

After all the times I confronted him and he lied and stonewalled and gaslit me.

I suggest a therapist who understands infidelity to help you. To help you process this information and to help you heal.

Whether you remain married or not - your wife has a role in helping you heal. She owes you that much.

Survived two affairs and brink of Divorce. Happily reconciled. 11 years out from Dday. Reconciliation takes two committed people to be successful.

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Lefty ( new member #54060) posted at 12:33 PM on Tuesday, February 20th, 2018

I found out 40 years after my husbands infidelity, also with my good friend, who stayed in our lives after the affair ended. It is so painful to know that the person you are married to could have this huge lie in their life during their whole time with you. It affects so many memories of your past.

In the forums, under “General” there is a forum called “For those who found out years later”. I found it very helpful to read thru the stories that were there, it helped me realize that the pain and roller coaster ride were all normal, no matter how long ago the affair happpened.

http://www.survivinginfidelity.com/forums.asp?tid=349697

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oldtruck ( member #62540) posted at 12:43 PM on Tuesday, February 20th, 2018

Sea, I feel your pain.

I doubt see all she did the first time. For as you

read here you will learn about trickle truth. This

is where the WW says nothing happened. Then she

admits they just kissed, then they just did more,

until they admit to doing sex. Then we just had

sex once. Then twice, then ten times.

Same thing with her second affair with your friend.

I hope he is out of your life. If you friend was

married at the time you need to call and tell his

BW, betrayed wife what he did.

Also do not let your WW tell you get over it for it happened 34 years ago. This is new to you and

the pain is fresh.

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CincyKid ( member #57948) posted at 1:17 PM on Tuesday, February 20th, 2018

What prompted this confession after all these years? What kind of a wife has she been?

Betrayed, life over...
Life goes on...
Met sunshine girl, fell in love...
Reconnected with wonderful DD...
Married sunshine girl, happy as can be!!!

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beenthereinco ( member #56409) posted at 5:24 PM on Tuesday, February 20th, 2018

She told me over and over again that nothing happened,

Well something did happen. Even if you believe the version she eventually gave you. Going to a park, making out, undoing your pants and letting someone put their hand down them is "something". It's not nothing. It sounds like you and her did some rug-sweeping many years ago on this incident and you never got the full story there.

Her justification for the A that you were calling her a cheater so she might as well act like one is crap. You called her a cheater because she was one. The park incident was cheating. It doesn't take full penetration sex (which they likely had in the park BTW) to be cheating. So now she has admitted to being a 2 time cheater. It is likely going to get worse. The park incident was more than she has admitted and what she did was bad enough there and should not be minimized. The A with the friend was more than 2 times, you can count on it. It went on longer than she will admit and for more times than she has admitted.

Do you still have contact with this "friend"?

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trustedg ( member #44465) posted at 5:33 PM on Tuesday, February 20th, 2018

I found out 25 years later. WH and a "friend". The hurt starts when you find out, no matter how long ago the affair happened. WH did say the "How to help you spouse heal" book helped him understand my hurt and what he needed to do to help me.

Me BWHim WH DDay 12/2012Married a long time, in R

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ISurvived7734 ( member #60205) posted at 5:55 PM on Tuesday, February 20th, 2018

No matter what "reason" for cheating she tells you now, it's always very simple. She did it because it was new, exciting, and it felt good.

Could you fill us in on the details of your life with her today? Kids or grandkids living with you? Financial shape?



"I always look both ways when crossing a one-way street. That's how much faith I have in humanity..."

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M1965 ( member #57009) posted at 11:15 PM on Tuesday, February 20th, 2018

Hi Seateasea,

I am sorry that you had cause to go looking for this place, but I am glad that you found it. There are many people here who have been through similar things, all of whom were just as lost as you feel at the moment, and all of whom got through it, one way or the other.

There is a resource here that others have mentioned called The Healing Library:

http://www.survivinginfidelity.com/articles.asp

Please do spend some time looking through it, there is a lot of accumulated experience and wisdom there.

To try and help you get a handle on things, I have a few things to say. Although the details you post are quiet brief, it seems like your wife has a 'wayward' way of thinking. 'Wayward' is a term used here for people who commit infidelity. My reasons for saying this are because she did several 'classic' things that waywards do.

The first classic wayward action is minimising, which she did in relation to going out with her married friend, getting picked up, and going to a park with some random stranger. You say that, "She told me over and over again that nothing happened", but she was a married woman, just two years into her marriage, and she was going out cruising with a married friend, allowing herself to be picked up, and going to a park with some guy she didn't know from Adam. And yet she describes those actions as "nothing", because - presumably - none of it matters if she didn't have sex with the guy.

Leaving aside the actual details of their interaction at the park, why was she being picked up, why was she going to a park with a stranger, and why was she letting him undress her? That is not nothing, and she is minimising to try and brush over it that way.

Your wife then engaged in another 'classic' wayward behaviour, which is called trickle-truthing. That is the process where elements of a story are revealed bit by bit, little by little, as time passes.

My wife went with one of the men to a local park where they had made out.She told me of this a few days after it happened. She told me that they just kissed. A week later she told me that he had undone her pants and placed his hands on her butt, but that is all.

Frequently, trickle-truthing is shortened to 'TT' in this forum. It is a thing that can go on for years in some cases, and it makes it very hard for a betrayed spouse to ever feel like they have got the complete truth. It could be argued that waiting thirty-four years before revealing the affair was an extreme case of trickle-truthing, but there are quite a few cases in these forums where affairs have only come to light after decades of being hidden.

Due to the fact that so many waywards use minimising and trickle-truth, many here who have read a lot of cases will doubt that your wife's account of how limited the interaction in the park is likely to be the whole story. It does seem hard to believe that two adults would go to a park to engage in sexual activity and then simply stop. However, simply going out, getting picked up, and ending up in a state of semi-undress with some random man was an act of cheating, not "nothing".

Following those events, your wife then engaged in another 'classic' wayward behaviour, which is blame-shifting:

I became depressed and angry at her and accused her many times of cheating on me. She told me over and over again that nothing happened, but I just could not believe her. She then became angry at me for accusing her of being a cheat so she decided that if I was going to call her a cheater she might as well be one. That is when she began her affair with my best friend.

Having failed to take ownership of the fact that her trip to the park was an act of cheating, she then decided that she wanted to cheat again, and used blame-shifting to justify her decision. You called her a cheat, so she would be one. That is just ridiculous, but it illustrates the way a wayward person's mind works.

Let's say there was some guy in town that you had a feud with, and several people knew about the bad blood between you. Then the guy gets knifed in an alleyway. No-one is ever caught for the killing, and although the police say it has all the hallmarks of a robbery gone wrong, your wife keeps saying that she thinks you did it, because you hated the guy. You protest your innocence, but she keeps on saying you did it. At what point do you think, "Okay, if she thinks I'm a killer, I may as well go out and kill somebody"? So you go out and kill her best friend. Does that sound like something a person would do? It's just ridiculous, but it is the thought process your wife says she went through in relation to your accusations of cheating, to justify her second episode of cheating.

The craziest thing about blame-shifting is that waywards are so short-sighted about it. They use it as an excuse, and to shift responsibility from them to their victim, but they fail to see that they are effectively saying they think and react like an insane person.

The affair lasted only a couple of months and she told me they only had sex twice.

Others have commented that this sounds like minimising, and it may well be. Two months and sex twice sounds weirdly 'balanced', and like a minimised way of saying "More than one month, and sex more than once". It also sounds very limited for an affair that your wife admits she embarked on deliberately to get back at you for not believing her story about 'nothing' happening in the park. Perhaps that was why she chose your best friend, but why do it more than once, but then stop after doing it twice? It doesn't add up.

And then there is the age-old tactic of simply lying:

It hurts to think that she has lied to me for all these years. I think back at all the times she has told me that I was the only man she has ever been with. I now know this is not true.

My reason for going through all of this is not to make you feel worse, and I apologise sincerely if any of it has. The purpose is to help you understand that your wife has subjected you to several techniques that waywards use to 'manage' the truth, which (a) confuse the betrayed spouse, and (b) make healing from an affair harder than it should be. That is why you find yourself in this forum, writing this:

I'm so confused and don't know what to do.

What I have written here is an attempt to help you understand where you are, what your wife has done, and why it has left you feeling confused and lost. My hope is that although it is painful (and all of us here have endured that pain), understanding the processes that your wife has put you through will help you to get a handle on them, to identify and see through them, and by doing so, to regain a sense of control of the situation. That may sound odd to you, but honestly, regaining a sense of control can be vital in the aftermath of discovering an affair.

You say that you are confused and that you don't know what to do, but you actually did a very wise thing in seeking out this forum and posting in it. I say that because there are plenty of people here who will want to help you. With more than sixty thousand members, there is a huge amount of real-life experience in the threads of the 'Surviving Infidelity' forums that you can draw on to increase your insight, and hopefully begin to figure out how you want to move forwards.

Speaking of moving forwards, you have not mentioned how the affair came to light. Was it a guilt-wracked confession after keeping it hidden for so long, or did it come to light in an argument? I am not prying here, but knowing how and why the affair was revealed can provide members here with insight about your wife's attitude to what she did, and whether she will be likely to do the work necessary to help you heal.

Another major thing that you must bear in mind is that you are under no pressure to make any decisions until you feel ready to do so. Take your time. You are very close to the discovery, and the common wisdom in these forums is that a person should not make a 'big' decision, like whether to reconcile or divorce, until six months have passed. If you need longer than that, take it. Remember what I said about regaining control? Giving yourself the time you need to make a decision is an element in taking back control of your life, so accept no deadlines other than the ones that you set.

It may be that what you want is a way to stay married, but get past this and ease the pain. That can be done, if the circumstances are right, and both people commit to doing the work that is necessary to make that happen.

There are several books available that can help to rebuild relationships after affairs, and regardless of the fact that this affair happened decades ago, its revelation means it is very fresh to you, and just as shocking as if it happened a month ago. So please do not think that being an 'old' incident means that you should not be upset about it. There is no statute of limitations on the pain that infidelity causes.

Speaking of the impact of infidelity, I hope that you are looking after yourself, and ensuring that you are eating regularly and keeping yourself hydrated. If you experience any physical side-effects, or things like an inability to think straight or depression, please go and see your doctor. These are very common side effects of infidelity being discovered, and doctors know how to treat them.

Another resource that you can try is individual counseling. The knee-jerk reaction to an affair coming to light is to go to marriage counselling, but the wisdom here is that it is better for both people, the wayward and the betrayed, to have some individual counseling to help them get their heads together before they get together to work on the relationship in marriage counselling.

If you do want to try individual counseling, do some research and try to find a counselor who specialises in infidelity. And do not buy into it if your counselor suggests that you are in some way responsible for the incidents of cheating. In this case it is clear that the park episode and the affair with your best friend occurred because your wife wanted them to, and made them happen, regardless of her attempts to blame-shift the affair onto you. I mention this because there are cases where bad counselors will try to turn the betrayed spouse into the villain of the peace, and that never works out well. So if you do try IC (individual counselling), find one that you get on with, and who does not try to blame you. If you find a 'bad' counselor, do not be afraid to move on to another one; it is your money, and you want something good for it.

Your wife really ought to have some IC too, to address her wayward mind-set, and to encourage her to be more honest. Her boundaries were, and may still be, very poor, and her thought processes and attitude to being honest are what are referred to in these forums as 'broken'. Cheating, lying, minimising, blame-shifting, and trickle-truthing are all indicators of a wayward mind-set, and if your wife has never had counseling or therapy to address that, she may still be exactly the same person that she was back then, which is why she needs to do the work needed to improve her values, honesty, and boundaries. If she does that work, and genuinely commits to it, it will help you to heal, because it will prove that she sees her old ways as something she sees as bad for her, you, and the relationship, and which she wants to change and improve.

I hope that at least some of this is useful to you, Seateasea. There is a lot more that can be said to expand on the things I have touched on here, particularly the resources that can help you, so please do post more, and also read the threads in this forum, and the other forums here.

Beyond all that, the most important thing that I want to say to you is that you have been heard. You have many brothers and sisters here who want to help you if we can.

Our thoughts and good wishes are with you.

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 Seateasea (original poster new member #62771) posted at 5:02 AM on Wednesday, February 21st, 2018

I had come home from work early and found my wife sitting on the couch with him sitting on the floor between her legs with his arms over her legs. I asked him why he was sitting on the floor and my wife said that his neck has sore and she was just rubbing it. At the time I thought nothing of it. He was my best friend and never considered any other explanation. I never thought of it again. This happened 34 years ago. However, a couple of years ago, I began thinking of how they were sitting and how it just did not feel right. I had that feeling that I was not given the truth back then. I asked my wife if she and he had ever had an inappropriate relationship and she denied it. It still didn't feel right to me so I asked her every few months and she would always answer my question with a question. She would say things like"Do you think I would ever do that to you?" or "do think I would do something like that with the kids in the house?". I never got a straight answer until D-day, when I insisted on a yes or no answer. That is when she told me of her affair with him 34 years earlier. Up until then I believed that we had a very good marriage. She had been the best wife I could have ever asked for and has been a great mother to our children. In our 36 years I never thought she was capable of doing this to me. Now I question everything in our past. She used to cry, not sobbing, but a tear or two would roll down her face when we made love. I would asked her why she was crying and she would say because I made her feel so wonderful. I always thought that I must be doing pretty good in bed but now I have to wonder if it was really her guilt coming out. She has given me many gifts over the past 30 years. A boat, a motorcycle, guns, and many expensive tools. I thought she did this because she loved me. Now again I must wonder if it was her guilt. I don't know.I remember one time while we were making love, she said that I was made just for her. That I fit her perfectly and filled her completely. I jokingly said " Yeah the best you've ever had" thinking that I was the only man she had ever had sex with. She began to laugh and said " the only one". I now know this was a lie. She had had sex with another man, my best friend. Why would she laugh while she was lying to me? I have not talked to or seen my friend for over 25 Years. We just drifted apart. We now live 600 miles from him. I want to tell his wife but I don't want to cause her the pain that I'm experiencing now. I will be contacting him to let him know that I know what he has done and to let him know what a lowlife he is. I wish that I had never found out about her affair. We were very happy and my life with her was great. But, she has been lying to me for the past 34 years. I wish she would have told one more lie to spare me this pain and heart ache.

Me-BH(58)
Her- WW(57)
Married- 37 years
Affair - 1984
DDay - 1/192018

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atreides ( member #44180) posted at 5:14 AM on Wednesday, February 21st, 2018

Sea, I am sorry... you have good advise but here comes a 2x4

you said >>I had come home from work early and found my wife sitting on the couch with him sitting on the floor between her legs with his arms over her legs. I asked him why he was sitting on the floor and my wife said that his neck has sore and she was just rubbing it. At the time I thought nothing of it. He was my best friend and never considered any other explanation.

Wow... really, you thought nothing of it? Anyway, you aren't the first and won't be the last. I truly hope this is not the beginning of finding out more.

What is your plan, pretending not know about it is now in the past, what do you plan to do going forward?

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anoldlion ( member #51571) posted at 9:17 AM on Wednesday, February 21st, 2018

One of the law courses, I had to take in college, (a long, long time ago) was taught by an prosecuting attorney. He said he never ask a question of a witness unless he already knew the answer. By your own account, you ask your wife many times over the years if she had ever cheated. She finally told you she had. You suspected she had but you won't sure of what she would say. In your own words, now, "I wish that I had never found out about her affair." Now you are wondering if there is more. My observation is that one should never ask questions about affairs unless you already know the answer. And one should never ask questions unless they want to know the true answers. I'm sorry you are hurting. I do wish you well.

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paboy ( member #59482) posted at 10:20 AM on Wednesday, February 21st, 2018

I dont know about that last post andoldlion. Just doesnt feel right.

Seateasea That is now two times your wife had inappropriate relationships with men while married. Two that you now know of. And her excuse why she did it...

Both occasions she has tried to rugsweep. Like you, gut feeling is that she has minimalised both.

And unless she has changed spots, you are probably going to find out that there are more others.

This one might need a poly...

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squid ( member #57624) posted at 10:56 AM on Wednesday, February 21st, 2018

Seateasea,

Sorry you've found yourself here. You've got a lot to process.

What is it you want to do? That should be your primary focus. Do you want to reconcile? Do you feel your WW (wayward wife) is a safe partner? Have you ever had these suspicions in the 34 years since this last occurrence?

From what you describe it sounds like your WW has been hiding her shame and guilt from you for a long time. She needs to understand that if you two are going to ever have a chance at rebuilding your marriage she's going to need to do the bulk of the work to restore your trust. Essentially she killed your marriage 34 years ago. She lived a lie since then to construct the veneer of what you thought was real.

Denial is a powerful thing. You denied to yourself that she could ever do that to you for the last 34 years. Don't live in denial now. Your WW has shown you who she is. Believe it. It's now up to her to change. You didn't deserve this.

I wish she would have told one more lie to spare me this pain and heart ache.

No. If anything, she should have fessed up to this 34 years ago. Your whole relationship up to this point has been a lie. A lie of omission. She needs to get to the root as to how she could have continually have been so cruel to you. You had your suspicions back then and addressed them with her. A person that respects you would have given you the truth. That's the dignity you deserve.

Again, what do you want to do? What does she want to do? How is she acting now?

Do you have kids?

You're going to get a lot of advice here. Some of which you probably won't like hearing. But it comes from experience and because we don't want to see you fall into the same traps that so many BS's (Betrayed Spouses) fall into. So although you're in a very fragile state, try not to take anything the wrong way. Try and be open to the advice you will receive. We like to say "take what you can use, and leave the rest". Take what you feel is appropriate in your situation and use it. It's often very difficult to see things clearly when you're in a trauma state such as infidelity. The time after the first discovery (D-day) is very much a trauma state. You're in a state of shock. And you're in for a very long and terrible ride. Self care is really important.

Strength to you, bro.

BH
D-Day 2.19.17
Divorced 12.10.18

This isn’t what any of us signed up for. But it is the hand that we have been dealt. Thus, we must play it.

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oldtruck ( member #62540) posted at 1:27 PM on Wednesday, February 21st, 2018

Do not waste your breath on the OM. You must tell

the OMW first before he lies to her and then the

OMW will not believe.

The first person to tell is the one she will

believe. The OMW deserves the truth. She needs to

stop living her life based on a lie.

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M1965 ( member #57009) posted at 4:45 PM on Wednesday, February 21st, 2018

Hi Seateasea,

Many thanks for the background information.

“This happened 34 years ago. However, a couple of years ago, I began thinking of how they were sitting and how it just did not feel right. I had that feeling that I was not given the truth back then.”

The first thing that strikes me is that despite the great life you have had together for more than three decades, that incident where you walked in and found your wife with your best friend was obviously bothering you, even if you filed it away in a box at the back of your mental storeroom. You say that at the time, the incident did not strike you as odd or suspicious, but it must have done, because it reappeared on your radar 34 years later. This situation, where an incident that caused anxiety resurfaced and led to a revelation reminds me of the story posted by another member here, Jimmy1962. He had always had suspicions about his wife and a cop who kept hanging out with her more than twenty years ago, and finally, after him repeatedly asking her through the years if something inappropriate had happened, she confessed to a six month affair. Both of you had that niggling feeling that something was not quite right, and after years of denials or avoidance, the truth finally came out.

The problem is, prolonged dishonesty does cause damage to a relationship, to the point where you can end up questioning absolutely everything, big and small, that ever happened between you and your wife. That is a natural reaction, and it can hurt like hell, but there are many elements to this that you may not yet have considered.

The first point to consider is why she was lying. Was it because she gets a sadistic kick out of manipulation and deceit? Because she is a serial cheater, covering her behind? Or because she knew she had done a bad thing, and she did not want to do any more damage to the relationship than she had already done? She clearly made some bad decisions early on in the marriage, and there is no way to put a happy, shiny gloss on that. It sounds like perhaps she was a bit immature, and possibly not emotionally ready for marriage and the obligations and responsibilities that go with it. I am not making excuses for her, just trying to figure out why she did what she did. The whole ‘You think I cheated, so I may as well cheat’ response is more like the response of an angry adolescent than a married woman in her early twenties (as was going to a bar to get picked up). As she matured, and grew into the marriage and herself, perhaps she realised the significance of what she had done, and the wrongness of it, and felt regret about it.

As an incident from 34 years ago lodged in your mind, and resurfaced years later to cause you anxiety, I would guess that there have been no other incidents or events that struck you as odd or suspicious. If that is the case, it could be that she had a bad patch at the start of the marriage, and then decided to cover it up and clean her act up. Again, I am not making any excuses for her, I am just suggesting a possible change that could happen to a person as they matured. You will only be able to learn about this by talking to her about it.

As the past has now come to light and is causing pain, I think that it would be good for both of you to discuss why she had no problem with going to the park with that guy, and why she had no problem embarking on the affair with your friend. I know she has given you that childish excuse about cheating because she was branded a cheat, but what she needs to take ownership of as a mature person is why she had no boundaries that stopped her. A relevant question to ask would be, “Why didn’t being married stop you?”, to try and gain some insight into what being married meant to her then, and what it means to her today.

In fact, I suggest you get yourself a notebook, or start a document you save on your computer, where you record the questions you need her to answer as and when they occur to you. There are clearly issues about this that you need clarification on, and only your wife can provide the answers. It is clear that getting answers is important to you, and the process has now begun.

As painful as that process is, I think it is actually positive that when you really pressed her for the truth, she gave it to you:

“I asked my wife if she and he had ever had an inappropriate relationship and she denied it. It still didn't feel right to me so I asked her every few months and she would always answer my question with a question. She would say things like "Do you think I would ever do that to you?" or "do think I would do something like that with the kids in the house?" I never got a straight answer until D-day, when I insisted on a yes or no answer. That is when she told me of her affair with him 34 years earlier.”

The reason I see something positive in her decision not to lie is that it means that she while she tried to be evasive, she has enough of a conscience now to be honest.

In relation to the impact of the revelation, you say:

“Up until then I believed that we had a very good marriage. She had been the best wife I could have ever asked for and has been a great mother to our children.”

There is a saying in these forums that runs, “Do not listen to a person’s words; watch their actions”. So what are your wife’s actions? For the majority of the marriage, you say that she has been a good wife. Nobody does that for three decades motivated only by guilt. She bore your children and did a great job raising them with you. Nobody does that motivated only by guilt. Yes, there may have been some guilt at the back of her mind, but there was love there too. A negative thing like guilt does not have enough power to make someone perform the way your wife did for decades; that takes something positive, like love. So please don’t get carried away with the idea that some bad actions at the start of the marriage have the power to taint or undermine every good thing that happened after your wife committed to the marriage, and cleaned her act up.

Who knows, maybe she did feel like she had to up her game and make a real effort because she had let you and herself down badly at the start of the marriage, but when you think about it, the motivation for feeling that way, and for feeling guilty (if guilt played a part) must have been because she loved you. How do I know that? Simple. If she didn’t love you, and didn’t give a damn about you, she would not have felt any guilt, and she would not have had any motivation to be such a good wife for you.

Seriously, nobody would hang around for three decades faking hundreds of interactions, and having children, purely out of guilt, and definitely not if they had no love for a person. Why would anybody do that? Nobody would, they would just leave. Your wife didn’t do that. What she did was throw herself and her energy into the marriage and motherhood. And she did that because she wanted to do it for you, and with you. As a team. She didn’t try and run off with your best friend. She didn’t one day say, “This isn’t working. I’m sorry. I want a divorce”. At some point, after a bad start, she seems to have really committed to you and the marriage, and only love would motivate a person to make as much effort as your wife did for that length of time.

“She used to cry, not sobbing, but a tear or two would roll down her face when we made love. I would asked her why she was crying and she would say because I made her feel so wonderful. I always thought that I must be doing pretty good in bed but now I have to wonder if it was really her guilt coming out.”

There are many emotions that might have caused the tears. They may simply have been tears of sheer happiness, as your wife said. Maybe feeling so good, and being so close and intimate with you, made her think about what an idiot she had been to have risked losing you, and the thought of that made her cry. I honestly don’t think guilt was the sole motivation for it, and you would have been able to tell if she was uncomfortable or unhappy making love with you. Maybe she is just an emotional person. You would know that better than us. Sometimes emotional people do cry if they a bit overwhelmed by things, and that is as true of positive things as it is of negative things.

“She has given me many gifts over the past 30 years. A boat, a motorcycle, guns, and many expensive tools. I thought she did this because she loved me. Now again I must wonder if it was her guilt. I don't know.”

Well, to return to my theme from a couple of paragraphs ago, how much would she have to love you to be so totally consumed by guilt for three decades? Think about it. I am sure that the primary motivation was love. Guilt would wear off after a few months, or a couple of years, and if she felt nothing else for you, it would have been abundantly obvious to you, because she would have had no motivation to make any effort once it was gone.

“I remember one time while we were making love, she said that I was made just for her. That I fit her perfectly and filled her completely. I jokingly said "Yeah the best you've ever had" thinking that I was the only man she had ever had sex with. She began to laugh and said "the only one". I now know this was a lie. She had had sex with another man, my best friend. Why would she laugh while she was lying to me?”

To take a bit of a scientific approach, maybe she was awash with endorphins and the other feel-good chemicals that affect our brains during pleasurable encounters. That could have prompted the laughter. I am a man, and there are times when I have simply laughed for a few seconds after lovemaking, purely because I feel so damn good, and it is a way of releasing that feeling. I was talking to a female friend of mine, and she said she sometimes did the same, and generally felt an overwhelming sense of well-being after good love-making. So maybe she was full of feel-good chemicals when she laughed, rather than it being wicked laughter resulting from the evil pleasure of deceiving you.

As for her saying, “The only one”, it was obviously a lie, but maybe it was how she wanted things to be. That she wanted the bad things she had done to have never happened. The mind is a complex thing, and she may have been saying it to herself as much as she was saying it to you.

“I wish that I had never found out about her affair. We were very happy and my life with her was great. But, she has been lying to me for the past 34 years. I wish she would have told one more lie to spare me this pain and heart ache.”

Seateasea, the reality of it is that if she had lied, you would have been back again in a month’s time, asking the same question. The same doubts that prompted that incident from 34 years ago to resurface and bother you would have brought you right back to the same question, because you would not have believed the lie any more than you were satisfied by evasive answers like, “How can you think I would do that?” I get the feeling that this was something that had to come out, because in your heart you knew something was fishy about it. However, while your wife may have kept the affair secret for 34 years, that does not mean that every other thing she said, or every interaction with you, was also a lie. In that 34 years, she kept a bad thing secret, and did a huge amount of good things, didn’t she? Like loving you, having children with you, and doing a great job of raising them with you. There was nothing false about those things, Seateasea. Nobody does so much motivated only by guilt or a perverse desire to fake being a good wife and mother to see how good an actress they can be. Yes, there may have been a bad thing at the start of the marriage that was kept secret, but there has been decades of good things that were out in the open, and that were done out of love.

“I have not talked to or seen my friend for over 25 Years. We just drifted apart. We now live 600 miles from him. I want to tell his wife but I don't want to cause her the pain that I'm experiencing now. I will be contacting him to let him know that I know what he has done and to let him know what a lowlife he is.”

That sounds like a plan to me. If you really want to make the SOB sweat, tell him you are still thinking about whether to tell his wife, and that you may yet do it. I probably shouldn’t have said that, but it’s much more restrained than a lot of things that spring to mind in relation to that POS.

Be good to yourself, Seateasea. We are thinking of you.

EDITED TO ADD: I guess the central message is this: not everything your wife did came from the same place inside her. The cheating came from a broken and bad place, but as you look back at good things she did with you, and with the kids, do you really believe that those things came from the same broken, bad place as the affair? We are all capable of doing bad things, but when we do good things, those come from a better part of us. And I honestly believe that the good things your wife did came from somewhere better than the place that the affair came from, and they were done with the intention of making you happy.

[This message edited by M1965 at 2:23 PM, February 21st (Wednesday)]

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ramius ( member #44750) posted at 4:24 AM on Thursday, February 22nd, 2018

Do not waste your breath on the OM. You must tell

the OMW first before he lies to her and then the

OMW will not believe.

The first person to tell is the one she will

believe. The OMW deserves the truth. She needs to

stop living her life based on a lie.

THIS^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

If you are going to say something, say it to her, the OMW. If you give him any warning we will spin it to her that you are the crazy guy. Also DO NOT tell your cheating wife if and when you are going to tell her. She may try and tip the OM off.

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She then became angry at me for accusing her of being a cheat so she decided that if I was going to call her a cheater she might as well be one. That is when she began her affair with my best friend.

Well that is just common sense. After all, if you get called a child molester enough, you might as well go out and molest some children, right?

You realize this was a bullshit excuse. She wanted him. She may never admit it you, but that is the truth.

The affair lasted only a couple of months and she told me they only had sex twice

She also told you she never has sex with him. Do you really believe that? Twice in 60 days? Cheaters lie. And she has been lying to you for 34 years.

Why would she laugh while she was lying to me?

....It makes the lie seem more authentic.

It is a very hard thing to discover that who you thought you knew for decades, is not that person.

If you had known of the affair shortly after it happened, would you have divorced her?

How many scars have you rationalized because you loved the person who was holding the knife?

Their actions reveal their intentions. Their words conceal them.

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harrybrown ( member #59225) posted at 5:56 PM on Thursday, February 22nd, 2018

what would she do if you had an affair?

do tell the OBS.

do not tell the OM. your not best friend.

What does she want now? Does she realize how this hurts?

expose the A.

She has lied to you for your entire marriage.

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