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 FamilyMan75 (original poster member #65715) posted at 10:02 PM on Sunday, August 5th, 2018

Five weeks ago my wife have separated after moving back to our hometown.

In 2005, I was in a long-term relationship, which I ended when my ex told me she wasn’t sure if she wanted to get married or have kids. I was thirty at this point and wanted to get married and start a family. A month after my break up, I went to a strip club at the urging of co-workers. I had no intention of dating anyone at the time, but it was there where I met my wife. She was an exotic dancer and I was immediately attracted to her. We talked for a few minutes, but once she realized I wasn’t interested in a lap dance, she started to leave in order to find a willing man. I stopped her, slipped her a twenty along with my number, and walked away.

She called me and we talked for a few weeks before she finally admitted that she was in a relationship. I told her that I liked her a lot, but wasn’t looking to be someone’s sidepiece. A few days later, she broke up with her boyfriend and we started a relationship. At first, I thought it’d be a short-lived fling that would help me forget about my ex-girlfriend and ultimately lead nowhere. However, after a few months, I had fallen hard and told her that I loved her. She was exciting and we had both chemistry and compatibility, which I never felt with my ex. I was so in love that I missed all the warning signs. My family, particularly my mother, didn’t care for her, but I was so smitten that I didn’t care.

Six months into our relationship, she began having an affair with a customer that frequented the restaurant she waited tables at. The few times I went to visit, he would be there. Looking back, he was always a little too cozy around her. She ended the affair after six months when he wanted to be more than sex buddies. In retaliation, he told me about their fling and I broke up with her.

For a few weeks, I became depressed. My ex-girlfriend reached out to me and wanted to give things another try. I considered it, but decided against it. I realized that I no longer had any real feelings for her. I blamed it on the fact that I missed my wife. I finally decided to reach back out to my wife, who had attempted to contact me a few times to apologize. I decided to give things another chance with her. I never told anyone what happened.

A couple of months later, I asked her to move in with me and she quit her job. After a few months of living with no responsibilities, while I worked long hours, she got bored and wanted to do something with herself. She got a new job working as a cashier in the evenings. Since we were both working, we didn’t have much time to spend together. During this time, she befriended a coworker and started hanging out with him during the day while I was at work. After a few months, she told me she was starting to fall for this guy and that she wanted to be honest with me before I found out some other way. She quit her job and cut off all contact with him shortly after.

However, after a couple of months passed, she began texting him again. She told me they never met in person after she left her job and stopped all contact with him after she found out she was pregnant. A few weeks later, I proposed to her. She was pregnant with my child and I always wanted to be married to the mother of my child. She accepted and we got engaged. In January of 2008, we moved to a new city over twelve hours away for a fresh start. A few weeks later, our oldest daughter was born. In April of 2008, we got married. The night before our wedding, she started having second thoughts and had a one night stand with a stranger. I didn’t find out about this until earlier this year.

The first year of our marriage was difficult. My wife developed severe post-partum depression that went undiagnosed for almost a year. During this period, she was barely able to function. It wasn’t until I finally convinced her to see a doctor, who put her on antidepressants, that she started feeling like herself again. She became extremely motivated and went back to school. She graduated grade twelve with honors. Our marriage was doing well. We were happy. My wife told me she loved me and showed me every day that I was the one for her. Her confidence was through the roof.

In 2011, she started working fulltime. This is how she met the other man. He was her immediate boss and a manipulative, egocentric piece of shit. He picked up on her vulnerabilities and low self-esteem. After working there for six months, my wife was offered paid schooling in return for a two-year contract at the company at the recommendation of the other man. I encouraged her to take it. Little did I know that it was during this time the flirting started. She started spending more and more time with him. She worked late, which resulted in her spending less time at home with me and our daughter. He guilted her into thinking she owed him for getting her the position. This was the beginning of their affair.

The affair went on for just over three years. In 2014, the other man had an employee terminated, who informed me of what was going on. By this point, my wife had already checked out. When I demanded that she quit her job, she refused. She told me that she no longer loved me and wanted a divorce. We were married six years. I was blindsided, but since she wasn’t willing to quit, I took matters into my own hands. I contacted the HR department and told them the other man was sleeping with employees on the job, but didn’t provide any names. He was transferred out of the office, officially ending any contact between the two of them.

Fast forward a few months, after begging for her to give our marriage one more shot, she stopped talking about wanting a divorce and we attended marriage counseling. After a few months, things seemed to have gotten better.

In 2015, on our seventh anniversary, we were out celebrating and my wife told me she wanted to have another baby. So for nine months, we tried to conceive. We started seeing a fertility specialist, who told us that I had a varicocele. I opted to have surgery to correct the problem and we started trying again. During this time, the other man transferred back to my wife’s office in a different position. She never told me at the time, but later she said that he approached her and their affair started again. It was almost a year later, when I finally started to give up on us having another baby, that she got pregnant.

From March/April of 2017 to May of 2018, my wife had no idea if me or the other man was the father. In January of 2018, she gave birth and never said a word to me about the affair. She let me believe the baby was mine. During this time, she started to become more emotionally detached from both the other man and me. The fact that she knew she was never going to stop cheating made her extremely guilty. She wanted to end things with the both of us.

In May of 2018, she approached the other man and asked if he’d take a DNA test. This was the one and only time he ever laid eyes on my daughter. My wife claimed she was sure that I was the father, but needed to be positive. She didn’t want to tell me there might be some chance that I was not our child’s father. They took a private test and she retained the only copy, which proved he was the father. Only, at the time, I didn’t know it yet.

Around this time, she began to say she wanted a divorce again. She told me that she wasn’t happy and hadn’t been for a while. She told me that she didn’t love me. I refused to acknowledge her desires. She even printed “do it yourself divorce papers”. She told me that she didn’t want to drag things out any longer than necessary. When I wouldn’t cooperate because I didn’t understand why she wanted to divorce, she served me with divorce papers at home. I texted, called, and begged for her to tell me what was going on. She finally responded and told me we needed to talk.

That night, she sent the girls to a babysitter for the night. I asked her why she wanted the divorce. She started by saying that she didn’t love me anymore. She admitted that she had been cheating on me and told me that she cared about me as a father, but that she couldn’t live like this anymore. Then she started to cry. I tried to hug her, but she pushed me away and blurted out that I wasn’t the father of our daughter. There was a deep silence. After some time, I finally asked her who it was, though, deep down inside, I already knew. She confirmed it, then showed me the results of the DNA test.

I remember not saying anything. I got up, went into the living room, turned on the television, and just sat there. I was neither happy nor sad. I wasn’t even angry. I felt nothing. My wife came into the room, and I told her to leave me alone. She just sat there for a bit before she finally went to bed. Eventually, I joined her, yet said nothing to her. I was numb. I tossed and turned all night. When I woke up, I took a shower and even made breakfast for my wife. I couldn’t even look at the divorce papers. When my wife woke up, she told me that I needed to stop. I told her that it was too bad if she didn’t like my behavior, because I wasn’t going to stop. She left for work without another word.

Shortly after, I left for work myself. That entire morning, I couldn’t focus. My mind was racing and I started to feel angry. I felt my world crashing down around me. I was losing my wife and my daughter, and the only person I wanted to blame was that other man. Against my better judgment, I left work early and went to my wife’s company.

I approached the front door and stopped for a moment. I was having second thoughts when a woman stopped and asked if she could help. I told her that I was looking for my wife. Just as the woman went back inside the building to get my wife, the other man exited. I followed him into the parking lot, where I confronted him.

I don’t remember everything that I said, but I was mad. Security was called. They apprehended me. I thought for sure that I was going to get arrested. While they had me detained, the other man mocked me. My wife came over just as the other man was going on and on about how she didn’t want me and how the two of them were going to be together. When I saw her, my demeanor changed. I felt defeated. The other man went up to her and told her that they could finally be together. That’s when she told him that she didn’t want to be with him anymore then she wanted to stay married to me. The other man stormed off in a rage. The security guard was going to call the police to have me arrested for trespassing, but my wife convinced him to let me go.

After I left, I drove around until it was time to pick up my daughter from school. I couldn’t stay at home. The following day, my wife and the other man were both fired after she admitted to HR that she was having an affair with a coworker.

The other man was pissed. He threatened to take the baby away from us. I wasn’t willing to let her go without a fight. She was planned. My wife and I planned her and I was her father. I began to dig around for anything I could use against him. During my search, I found out he was married. I confronted my wife about this knowledge. She was shocked and mad. She claimed that she had no idea he was married.

I sat on this knowledge for a few days. My wife brought up getting a divorce again. I asked her if she was planning on taking the baby away from me. She was surprised and assumed I wanted nothing to do with the baby. I told her that I wanted to be her dad and tell the other man to fuck off. That was when I told her about my plan to tell the other man’s wife. She agreed to this idea.

I wrote a letter to the other man’s wife, including proof of the affair. She responded and asked to meet. I met her, we talked, and she was completely blindsided. I told her about my baby’s true paternity. She asked me what I wanted and what my wife was intending to do. I told her straight up that I wanted her husband to back off and that my wife and I were going to be parents to the baby.

In the meantime, we had hired a lawyer and put our divorce on hold until we figured out what to do about the other man and the baby. At this time, the other man stopped messaging my wife and I started begging her to give our marriage another chance and not let this setback pull us apart. A part of me wanted to keep my family intact and I knew that if we stayed married, it’d make things a lot harder for the other man to get custody of the baby.

In June of 2018, I found out that I could make a transfer within my company and relocate back to our home state, away from the other man. We decided to relocate the following month. My wife made it clear that she still intended to separate and that we’d eventually divorce. The original plan was to lease a place for six months, then separate, but my wife changed her mind at the last minute and rented a one-bedroom apartment on July 1st, 2018.

[This message edited by FamilyMan75 at 10:45 PM, June 22nd (Saturday)]

Me: 48 WW: 37 (serial cheater)T: 18 M: 15 3DDs: 16, 6, 5 Reconciled

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TheGuy123 ( member #59235) posted at 10:41 PM on Sunday, August 5th, 2018

What you need to understand is you need to get emotionally healthy for your self and then be there for your child.

They say put the oxygen mask on first then put one on your child.

Once your start taking care of your self and stay away from this toxic women then you can focus on being the father you want to be.

Once you find the tools to fix your self then you can go out and find a women that is also emotionally healthy and LOYAL....a women that will make a great step mom to your daughter.

Once you step back and focus on healing YOU then you can build a real family with your daughter and a real women with self respect and morals.

Sorry man but your current chick is just bringing out the worst in you and your kid does not deserve that.

Lets face it...your kid already has a screwed up mom and most likely screwed up half siblings at the very least she can have an emotionally healthy dad.

Please step back get out of this and work on your self with some help and heal....if you want to get better you have to think about your self and work on your self while distancing your self from the toxic women.

Once both spouses just stop caring...anything can happen and usually does.

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GoldenR ( member #54778) posted at 10:43 PM on Sunday, August 5th, 2018

You're married to a serial cheater. You deserve better. To deserve someone that will treat you right.

That said, If you want your family you have to be willing to lose it to keep it. File for D. Watch her do a complete turnaround bc you've taken the power back. If your wife can prove she's worthy, you can stop the D. If she doesn't, then you let it go thru and move on.

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TheGuy123 ( member #59235) posted at 10:53 PM on Sunday, August 5th, 2018

You have to come to terms that your WW is a serial cheater and will always will be a serial cheater......you can't control this.

You can only control you and what you will tolerate.

If I was you I would get a lawyer, get your name off the birth cert.of the other two kids and divorce.

Something tells me you will be a happier father once this toxic women and all her babies daddies are out of the picture.

You can choose your path to happiness or you can stick around a be miserable with 5-6 kids and only half of them being yours.

At the very least get divorced so your old lady can stop putting your name on another two or three more birth certificates.

You do realize as long as your married no matter who the bio father is that the husband is automaticly the father and is financial responsible.

Ten years from now and a half a dozen kids later you will not be in a good place, you'll have a cheating wife and a bunch of kids that aren't even yours.

Once both spouses just stop caring...anything can happen and usually does.

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TheGuy123 ( member #59235) posted at 11:06 PM on Sunday, August 5th, 2018

Stop thinking with your heart and protect your self by getting a lawyer.

I'm guessing you are young and have a lot of future in front of you.....so please look after your self so you can have a better future with you daughter.

BTW I suggest you DNA test your eldest daughter....you have to make your wife see her actions have consequences and that even though you know your eldest is yours you can no longer trust a cheating wife.

Once both spouses just stop caring...anything can happen and usually does.

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GuyInColorado ( member #53590) posted at 11:38 PM on Sunday, August 5th, 2018

Another doormat man doing the pick me dance, begging his cheating wife to stop banging other men and keep the family together. You only hurt yourself, making yourself look weak and the OM (Other Man) be the alpha. Sorry to be harsh, just trying to slap some common sense into you. Glad you found this place, I think you'll benefit greatly. The advice you'll get might seem harsh, but everyone here has been in your shoes and knows how this movie ends. File for Divorce. This woman is not R (Reconciliation) material. You can survive a divorce and co-parent. Hell, doesn't seem like a mom that will fight you on full custody. Best to make a deal with her while she's in the fog of the affair. You can make out like a bandit with a good attorney!

Take control back. File for divorce and EXPOSE to everyone. No more keeping her dirty laundry a secret. Once you can openly talk about this with family and friends, a huge burden will be off you. Paternity tests for everyone.

It's now time to take ACTION. File for divorce tomorrow. She no longer deserves to hold the title as your "wife".

Props to you on getting them fired and telling the OM's wife! There is a lot of men on here that won't even do that because they are scared.

[This message edited by GuyInColorado at 5:41 PM, August 5th (Sunday)]

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Marz ( member #60895) posted at 11:45 PM on Sunday, August 5th, 2018

The best predictor of the future is past history.

You are trying to save the unsavable. It will cost you dearly.

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anoldlion ( member #51571) posted at 12:59 AM on Monday, August 6th, 2018

I wish what I'm about to say wasn't true but I sincerely believe it is. What you are hoping for and holding on to is not going to happen. I told someone today that there are some people who will cheat no matter what and some people that just don't need to be married. Your wife is both. She is not even trying to have a marriage. You are already raising one child that is not yours. Are you looking to support more. If you want to help support someone else's children then do what I do. Make donations to a children's home. Don't make your life miserable by being loyal to and supporting the cause of your misery. I do wish you well.

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 FamilyMan75 (original poster member #65715) posted at 2:34 AM on Monday, August 6th, 2018

I've been screwed by every woman I've been with. I was with my ex-girlfriend for eight years. We met while I was in college. She said she didn't want to get married or have children until after she was done grad school. I was twenty two, and she was nineteen when I met her, and she said she wanted these things too. I fast forward to a few months before I broke up with her. She told me she changed her mind. That she wanted to travel and just didn't want to be tied down. After talking with my sister and my dad, who both told me if I wanted these things I needed to break up with her so I did, or I would look back in ten years and regret my decision.

I didn't even expect things with my current wife to go this way. I kind of disconnected and then when I met her, she was young, and I just wanted to have fun. But I fell hard for her. She told me she wasn't sure what she wanted and wasn't going to promise me anything. I had spent so much time planning, that I felt being with someone who was spontaneous would be a great change of pace. Then the cheating began. I guess since I was successful in my career, maybe I could focus my energy on trying to save this relationship. Then she got pregnant, and I was so excited, so happy.

I fast forward to finding out my youngest daughter wasn't mine, and my wife was wanting to divorce. She had gone for legal consultation after we moved back to the state we moved from. We have to be separated for at least six months, and probably can't be divorced until she is no longer pregnant.

I had thought about the paternity of my oldest. I really do believe she is mine. But she is already almost eleven. There is no benefit of finding out either way. I've been in her life for eleven years, and we have a bond. I'll legally be responsible for her until she is eighteen, and I don't want to do anything to jeopardize things.

As for the second daughter. We planned her, and I guess I just don't want to let her go. I don't want that piece of shit around her. I'm her dad. I've been there, and she at even seven months old smiles and knows me as dad. I know now would be the time to distant myself. Especially if the piece of shit tries to get involved. He doesn't have a job and besides a few texts to my wife, hasn't really decided to do much of anything. He's a state over, with his own shit to deal with.

The unborn baby I can't really do anything until he/she is born. It's out of my hands. I know that divorce is going to happen. My wife wants out. She told me she wasn't safe for me and that if I can't stand up for myself, then she'll do it for me. She accepts she is broken.

She had recently sent me a proposal of what she wants regarding the divorce and wanted to know what my feelings are. She wants 50-50 physical and legal custody, half the proceeds of our recently sold house, half our savings, spousal support for one year, and 1000.00 a month in child support and she doesn't want my pension. I had talked to a close friend who is a lawyer, and he told me I should accept the offer before she changes her mind. Because if she wanted too, she could go after half my pension while we were married and double what she is asking in spousal and child support.

I wish I could go to my family for advice, but I'm not ready for them to find out yet. I really don't want my daughter to be exposed to this shit show again. It's a mess.

[This message edited by FamilyMan75 at 8:38 PM, August 5th (Sunday)]

Me: 48 WW: 37 (serial cheater)T: 18 M: 15 3DDs: 16, 6, 5 Reconciled

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Buster123 ( member #65551) posted at 2:46 AM on Monday, August 6th, 2018

Your wife is a serial cheater, she will never change, you haven't had a real marriage, do yourself a favor and file for D and RUN, don't look back.

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pureheartkit ( member #62345) posted at 3:04 AM on Monday, August 6th, 2018

You always wanted the best for her. I know a counselor who helps people who are stripping and or adult actresses, etc. So many of these women are impulsive and have had sad events that led them to constantly seek attention. Many never had healthy relationships or family life.

You really tried and it's sad that for all your good will and effort she can't be satisfied with your M. The stress will continue until she understands it herself. There isn't anything you can do until she says enough. I'm sad for her because where will she end up if it continues. Even so, she isn't entitled to take you and the children with her on a wild ride of changing men.

You can still have a very good life full of joy and without the stress and drama. Your kids are young with the future ahead of them. You came to the right place for help. We want to see you strong and headed in a positive direction.

Thank you everyone for your wisdom and healing.

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 FamilyMan75 (original poster member #65715) posted at 3:11 AM on Monday, August 6th, 2018

I know a counselor who helps people who are stripping and or adult actresses, etc. So many of these women are impulsive and have had sad events that led them to constantly seek attention.

She had tough teenage years. She said she had decent parents but she was in an abusive relationship in high school. I won't go into any more detail, but it really screwed her up. She is now in counselling. She says that she can work on herself while she is still married to me. I do wish her the best.

Me: 48 WW: 37 (serial cheater)T: 18 M: 15 3DDs: 16, 6, 5 Reconciled

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Cooley2here ( member #62939) posted at 3:11 AM on Monday, August 6th, 2018

I don’t know if you have ever used Google Earth where you can see the entire town/city where you live. You can also zoom down to your street. All of a sudden all you see is just the short view of what is in front of you. Those of us who do not have an emotional connection to you see all of it. We are up high enough to grasp just how huge your problem is. You can only see the pain in front of you.

My suggestion is for you to get notebook paper and magic markers. Sit at a table. Look at each thing she has done, or not done, and write each one on a separate piece of paper. Spread them out on the table and you will see what we see. Your marriage is on those pieces of paper.

Please look after yourself. It sounds like you have had a sad life since your marriage.

When things go wrong, don’t go with them. Elvis

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changeneeded ( member #51851) posted at 4:02 AM on Monday, August 6th, 2018

What a sad mess for you. I am sorry you must go through this painful time(s).

You're wife is treating you without a care in her body; she has this wonderful man, full of forgiveness, and she keeps stomping on that forgiveness with her high-heeled shoes.

I don't know when ( it's taken me more than a year) but you will "wake up" and realize that you do not deserve any of this, not a bit. You deserve someone who will love and cherish you, as you do yours.

Thank you, for being loving and kind to the children.

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Surprised87 ( member #58070) posted at 4:54 AM on Monday, August 6th, 2018

I'd seek a lawyer. There is so much more than just infidelity here. I was in a similar situation last year where there was a possibility I wasn't the father of my wife's baby. Turns out I was, but it would have been a big mess if she wasn't. Since you have one child who isn't biological yours and your wife is pregnant with another baby. You don't want to be on the hook for possibly a second baby that isn't yours. Just something to think about.

Me BH: 31
Her WW: 29 HPD
T: 10+ years (on&off HS) M: 3
3 DD: 8, 4, 1m (passed away Aug 28 , 2017)
Her: 10m EA/PA
After a brief separation we are heading for divorce

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OneLittleVictory ( member #61821) posted at 1:42 PM on Monday, August 6th, 2018

In addition to what others have said, I would point out that your first mistake was looking for a girlfriend in a strip club. Emotionally healthy women fit for dating or marriage who work as escorts or strippers or what have you are very, very, very rare, if they exist at all. They usually go through a lot of suffering, or abuse, or drug addiction; and have certain character deficiencies that lead them to where they are.

I agree with others that there really is no marriage to save. For the sake of your emotional health and sanity, you should divorce and just be the best father to your children that you possibly can.

D-Day: December 22, 2016

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Rulk ( member #43969) posted at 2:36 PM on Monday, August 6th, 2018

If she tries to go for child support on the kid that's not yours then sue her for paternity fraud. You say the pregnancy was planned, so she probably planned to have OM's kid.

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Cooley2here ( member #62939) posted at 3:20 PM on Monday, August 6th, 2018

I hope this isn’t too cruel.

This forum is to get you out of infidelity and for you to survive in a healthy, happy way.

So, here goes....

You are out of infidelity but you are not surviving. You are not seeing reality.

You reality is that she married you because A. She wanted your money and stability, B. She has a personality disorder which means her ability to love is not there, C. She was so glad to get out of stripping that she married too quickly and has never loved you. These are all horrible reasons to marry.

I think you were dazzled by a good looking woman who showed you attention.

We all get it. It is easy to fall in love. It is nearly impossible to stay in love if it is not reciprocated. She does not love you. She doesn’t sound like she is capable of deep feelings.

I tell people I work with two important things. You can’t change another person and you can’t make them love you.

You need a bulldog for an attorney and therapy to see why you have continued to allow her to disrespect you.

You sound like a good guy who needs to give himself time to mourn, to get angry, to let go and move on.

When things go wrong, don’t go with them. Elvis

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GuyInColorado ( member #53590) posted at 3:22 PM on Monday, August 6th, 2018

She had recently sent me a proposal of what she wants regarding the divorce and wanted to know what my feelings are. She wants 50-50 physical and legal custody, half the proceeds of our recently sold house, half our savings, spousal support for one year, and 1000.00 a month in child support and she doesn't want my pension. I had talked to a close friend who is a lawyer, and he told me I should accept the offer before she changes her mind. Because if she wanted too, she could go after half my pension while we were married and double what she is asking in spousal and child support.

I'd offer her $500m in CS and no spousal support and call it good. I wish I only paid that much! haha. Do you have anything over her head you can use as "leverage"?

Damn, I'm pissed off for you. Have you found your anger yet? Get angry! It's time for war. Better days start today, get this lady out of your life. DNA the kids, all of them. Then expose. Time to be honest with your family and let them know. They will be a great support for you.

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max2018 ( member #63663) posted at 3:41 PM on Monday, August 6th, 2018

soooooooo

you chose a waitress in a strip club to be your wife !!!!

what did expcet the result would be

she used you and abused you for along time

you need a dna for all your kids even the unborn one

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