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What signs did you notice something was going on?

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solo ( member #57709) posted at 1:40 PM on Thursday, February 21st, 2019

I didn’t realize they were signs at the time. It’s crystal clear looking back.

Always suspicious of me.

Always questioning my whereabouts.

Super suspicious of me and my phone. Always wanted to know who I was texting, and what it was about. I caught her multiple times going through my phone or tablet when I’d come in from working outside. Several mornings I could see she’d gone through them in the middle of the night. It drove me nuts. If I complained, she’d get mean and ask me why it bothered me if I had nothing to hide. I didn’t, but also didn’t enjoy constant audits of my devices. I’d done nothing to deserve it.

She always said she skipped lunch, and barely ate anything for dinner, yet gained significant weight.

She would rarely answer when I called her cell phone. She’d eventually call back, saying either she didn’t hear the phone, or was talking to her mother, or her battery was dead. Seemed to always be having “phone issues”, yet would balk when I suggested she get a new one.

She’d go out of town for work a week at a time, probably four times a year. In the beginning, she’d want to talk to me for a long time on the phone at night. She’d get upset if I was tired or busy with the kids and didn’t talk as long.

At some point, it stopped bothering her. She’d call, we’d talk for a few minutes, then she’d be the first to say she was tired and going to sleep. At the time, I thought she just matured a little, and wasn’t as needy when she was gone.

Overall, she was just really hard to get hold of. I’d call, she wouldn’t answer, then she’d call back. (Bluetooth wasn’t as available in vehicles at the time, so it was reasonable to think she didn’t grab the phone fast enough while driving.)

One day, my daughter’s phone was stolen. I wanted to log into the account to see if it had been used. I didn’t know the password, since I was on a separate account.

I asked her for it, and I could see something in her eyes. She told me she didn’t remember the password. The password to an account she logged into every month to pay the bill. Alarms went off like crazy for me.

The next day, I figured ithe password out. Went through all of the bills, saw one number that took up 90% of her minutes. Checked her phone when she was in the shower. The number wasn’t saved, and showed almost no history. I used google and found out it was her male coworker. The one who only came up in conversation when she would say how much she hated this one asshole at work.

All those times she didn’t answer and called back? She was on the phone with him.

All those nights she was out of town, and was getting off the phone to go to sleep? She’d call him as soon as we hung up, and talk until after midnight.

The no lunches, but weight gain? Eventually found out she was going to lunch with him every single f-ing day. That fat bastard liked to eat bad food, and she joined him every day. (Strange how she lost a lot of weight after I found all this out, right?)

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mamabear22 ( member #62311) posted at 1:41 PM on Thursday, February 21st, 2019

Very little tipped me off.

At most he was a bit more agitated.

The one thing was he got a text, and lied and said it was a spam call. I had seen the text, he didn't know I had seen it and lied.

From there on I was aware and started investigating...THEN I noticed things.

Then I started putting things together, he started mentioning her name more, told me I would really like her.

Noticed she was on his phone as a contact , noticed she was the last contacted he looked at yet no call or text to her (cause he had deleted the text)

but originally NOT MUCH AT ALL

Me - BS (42)
WH - 48
6 month emotional and PA
I think that was all, still TT
Married 21 years
DDay - August 2017
Reconciling - at least trying to.

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AbandonedGuy ( member #66456) posted at 3:06 PM on Thursday, February 21st, 2019

Man, it's always weird phone behavior that tips you off. Thats what planted the seed of doubt for me. Reading this thread grosses me out more than even some of the more lurid and detailed posts. I guess it's the creepy way these ghouls tiptoe around our backs to carry on these secret second lives.

EmancipatedFella, formerly AbandonedGuy

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squid ( member #57624) posted at 3:19 PM on Thursday, February 21st, 2019

In chronological order:

Wouldn't answer phone when out

Text messages

Deflective answers

Guarding phone

REALLY guarding phone

Defensiveness

Brazen defiance

VAR recording confirmed it all.

BH
D-Day 2.19.17
Divorced 12.10.18

This isn’t what any of us signed up for. But it is the hand that we have been dealt. Thus, we must play it.

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nortonj ( member #69716) posted at 3:44 PM on Thursday, February 21st, 2019

I noticed he went outside to take a phone call. That was curious to me.

Then I sat at his desk, opened his computer, found out he had several different email addresses and found the email address that he used to hire his "nude models", read the messages, saw the pictures and saw his invitation to indulge in each other's fantasies.

His intentions were quite clear. It made me sick.

Dday 2/3/19

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twisted ( member #8873) posted at 9:29 PM on Wednesday, February 27th, 2019

Yep, many a cheater live and die by the cell phone.

"Hey, does this rag smell like chloroform to you?

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xhz700 ( member #44394) posted at 9:31 PM on Wednesday, February 27th, 2019

She secretly tries to record me with her phone...and is bad at hiding it "I'm just setting my alarm for tomorrow"...and then launches into a fight, attacking me, saying I threatened her loudly for the world to hear (I didn't) and telling me I am forcing her to have sex (I have no idea what she is talking about) and how I've abused her for years (she believes calling her lies lies is abusive to her mental state). It is like a bad B movie type of dialog as she tries to get me to say something on tape she could use against me "I know you want to murder me in my sleep and I know you like to force me to have sex with you when I don't want to..." It is pathetic how obvious this is...and how she is trying to get me to agree on tape.

Your wife is BPD. You need to get the fuck out.

Behold! The field in which I grow my fucks.

Lay thine eyes upon it, and thou shalt see that it is barren.

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Brokenheartbroke ( new member #69887) posted at 11:01 PM on Wednesday, February 27th, 2019

He was:

-moody

-distracted

-angered easily over small things

-picked fights to then leave

-would take extra long to do things or go places that shouldn't have taken so long

-instead of going to bed with me like usual, he would stay up longer by himself

-would come home really late sometimes

-very protective over his phone

-bringing up topics he SWORE we had spoken about already "Remember when I told you about such and such?" and the conversation hadn't been with me...

But his AP smoked, yet I never smelled it on him. She wore a lot of makeup and I never saw any on his clothes even though I do his laundry.

BS - me (35)
WH - him (34)
Dday: 2/16/19
Goals: reconciliation

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Unbroken78 ( member #68860) posted at 11:03 PM on Wednesday, February 27th, 2019

I'm working on it.

I agree there are more red flags than a Chinese new year.

I agree she has done some truly vile things...threats to call the Police and lie to them about DV when she knows I would lose my job and I've never touched her...but "words are violence" to her. She has functionally said she would lie to my job to get me fired and that job can force me to move to a different house, away from my kids as my housing is provided by my job....a 1.5 million dollar house in a very nice area.

I get it. It's ugly and something is badly wrong. I have suspect for a long time, that she was trying to set me up with the recordings and I know she is. I told her such to her face and she didn't deny it...but won't own it either.

I'm in a bad place. My daughter cried this weekend and told me she had a nightmare where daddy and mommy broke up and had to live apart.

It hit me like a ton of bricks.

I think my wife could care less. We have MC booked. I asked for a MC who would pull no punches and call bullcrap on her nonsense like the recordings. We'll see. My guess is my wife will storm out the first time the MC doesn't accept her victim narrative.

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IslandGirl4418 ( member #63198) posted at 11:24 PM on Wednesday, February 27th, 2019

So many things I should have noticed but didn't. He went on a lot of "golf trips" that weren't golf trips with "guys" I had never met. I never suspected. I wanted him to enjoy himself more. 2 years and I never questioned. Looking back now I see so many things I didn't then. I trusted him. Friend of AP called me one evening and told me. Total devastation as you all know. He came back after each trip with elaborate stories about the guys. He worked very hard at hiding it and it worked for a long time. I've never felt so betrayed in my whole life. Sometimes I think I will never recover.

Age: 65
Married: 27 yrs.
D-Day: 6/9/2017
Divorce Final: 12/10/2018

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Thanksgiving2016 ( member #63462) posted at 12:27 AM on Thursday, February 28th, 2019

Love for life my story is practically identical. I knew things weren’t right between us for a long time. I almost died when I started digging. I never in my wildest dreams thought he was cheating I just figured I would find a clue as to why he didn’t love me.

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Cally1975 ( member #69755) posted at 3:26 PM on Thursday, February 28th, 2019

Very guarded with phone.

Changed passcode on phone and password on e-mail and Facebook

Taking Cash out of the bank

Erectile dysfunction at times

Total change in the way we had sex. No foreplay or touching. He just literally climbed on got off then got up.

Loss of sex drive

Moody and irritable

Lack of texts or phone calls to me

Lack of interest in us time

No cuddling just very very distant

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NeverThe Same ( member #34754) posted at 8:23 PM on Thursday, February 28th, 2019

For me all the classic signs were all there, I just did not see a single one until DDay. I chalk it up to blind trust ( I kind of miss that)

1- WW was on a girls trip (when the cheating started) and upon return things were tense within the girl group, more drama than usual. I noticed but chalked it up to nonsense.

2- sudden commitment to fitness (POS AP was 13 years her junior). I thought she was motivated by being on the beach during the trip

3- Phone. Suddenly left the room to stay on the phone constantly. I chalked it up to the nonsense from #1 and actually thought she was doing me a favor by sparing me the pain of listening. Plus now phone was password protected. I never looked so I did not care.

4- Sex. Increased drive and vocal requests for specific acts. Had done them all before so no big deal, I was actually happy to oblige and thought this all was a good thing

5- suddenly happy to not include me in activities. Previously whenever I declined to attend or participate in anything with her it was always a HUGE deal. I saw this as good sign too... duh.

Now, I always listen to my gut and I question everything. Yep, I sure do miss the blind trust days.

BH - Me 44 yo. WW - 43 yo. Together 23 years, Married 16 years at time of DDay Two-night stand that evolved into 2 month long PA. In R???

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LostInTheDesert ( member #61577) posted at 12:32 AM on Friday, March 1st, 2019

- First sign - found sex toys I was not aware of, when she had never had any interest in sex toys.

- I did not see it as a sign at the time, but then she revealed the sex toys and took a sudden dramatic increase in interest in sex and more varied sex.

- First serious sign I was aware of, was a sudden decrease of interest in sex, even flinging me away as if to say "get away from me you creep" (so I felt like she thought she owed her fidelity to somebody else).

- Suddenly she was going away regularly on "business trips"

- Sudden increase in visits "to the gym"

- Increase in nights out "with the girls" (at one point I thought she might be having a lesbian affair... but the friend I suspected was butt ugly and mentally unstable so I thought her taste in women could not be that bad).

- Suddenly starting to take showers when she gets home at night.

- Even when she was home at normal times (between her shiftwork and the things above, this was rare), she would isolate herself from me during the day.

- Finding sexy lingerie that she never wore for me.

- Smelling cigarette smoke on her and then tasting it on her breath.

- Passcode on her phone (which everybody in the family knew), gets changed and she does not tell anybody the new code.

- Her iPhone loses its connection to WiFi at home, so I say "OK, I'll fix it now". She unlocks the phone and I go to my computer to check her password (I use enterprise level WiFi security so every device has a different password, so it could be locked out if it was lost or compromised). She comes in, acting anxiously, and says "I need my phone back I am leaving soon" - the password re-entry would only take a minute so that made no sense at all.

- It's possible this was genuine, but a second "work iPhone" turns up.

- "I can't watch Game of Thrones with you. I promised [suspected lesbian AP] I would watch it with her". I guess that should have been a dead giveaway.

- She starts applying ointment to her vulva and complains of a rash. She says it is a psoriasis rash - it turns out later it was chlamydia (by some miracle, I did not get it).

- Paying a lot more attention to her iPhone.

- She asked about my life insurance, which she had never done before.

I was way too trusting.

[This message edited by LostInTheDesert at 6:44 PM, February 28th (Thursday)]

Me: BH 48
Her: WW 47 (financially abusive and emotionally selfish)
Married 25 years, together 27 years.
D-Day: 14 November 2017
DD: 20
DS: 15
Divorced her

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MamaDragon ( member #63791) posted at 3:05 PM on Friday, March 1st, 2019

Nothing.

I just noticed that he worked with a particular girl more than normal. One he previously claimed to dislike with a passion.

I questioned, he came clean. Apparently when I get quiet he knows I'm serious (and very scary too?)

BS - 40 something at A time, over 50 now
WS - him, younger than me
Reconciled

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Dorothy123 ( member #53116) posted at 3:26 PM on Friday, March 1st, 2019

The signs were everywhere.

I just chose to ignore them all.

After all, he was my knight in shining armor.

"I’ll get you my pretty, and your little dog too!" Wicked Witch of the West.

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GrayShades ( member #59967) posted at 3:51 PM on Friday, March 1st, 2019

I was in the middle of an 18 month stretch of helping to take care of my dying widowed father from two time zones away while working full-time and raising our tween son. My normally very kind WH was less than patient with me at times as I was stressed beyond belief. I always knew he had a selfish streak and just chalked it up to him being at his limit in supporting me.

Found a 45-minute call on our landline as I was going through blocking telemarketers. Discovered later that it was a client of AP's who called our house to confer while I was out of town taking care of my dad. She had forgotten her cell (or likely left it on purpose because her XBH is a PI and she was worried). Got a little suspicious about that call and reminded WH how hurt he was when his first wife cheated on him.

Very soon after, I found used condoms in our bathroom trash and thus Dday. We hadn't used condoms since we first started dating more than 20 years before.

Other than the condoms, it was very subtle stuff and easy to blow off. It was scary to see how easily my sweet WH could lie to me even when I got close to the truth, and then just carry on. Apparently the AP was a lot more freaked out about that phone call than WH was.

Me: 50 on Dday
WH: Turned 48 the day before Dday
Dday: 05/16/17 One son, now young adult.

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mae19681995 ( member #57360) posted at 5:03 PM on Friday, March 1st, 2019

Dear Foolmeonce120, For me and my husband there were signs but was not aware till after the fact. Our was a mutual not able to communicate with each other and not able to satisfy unrealistic expectations. All of which came out in counseling. We went to counseling right after Dday and it has made all the difference in the world in how we interact and how we communicate and how we are patience with each other and more open and honest with each other. Forgiveness and healing came much later, but the process started with counseling and our openness.

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RobbedOfTrust ( new member #69320) posted at 6:39 PM on Friday, March 1st, 2019

Detached

Argumentative

Moody

Hateful

Exhausted

Left earlier & earlier for work, came home later and later

Wearing unfamiliar clothing

Slept as far away from me in bed as possible

Rare sex

Stopped calling/texting me throughout the day

Stopped talking to me when (if) home

Found a long, coarse black hair on his sweatshirt (I'm blond & have fine hair)

Called me Donna in bed. My name isn't Donna.

D-Day 12/1/2018 :(

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GoldenR ( member #54778) posted at 6:43 PM on Friday, March 1st, 2019

It was peaceful at the house bc she was gone so much.

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