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 shanti108 (original poster new member #71412) posted at 12:07 AM on Thursday, August 29th, 2019

I have been in a committed relationship with my partner (a woman) for nine years. We became engaged before marriage was legal, and have lived as spouses, own a home, etc.

We experienced four years of very intense loss: my father, my best friend, our two large dogs (true to lesbian form, our children, completely labor intensive hospice process that took over our life for a year), a lawsuit, and many medical issues for me… that I believe led to a breakdown in our communication/distance. That said, I still believed we were truly the “unicorn” couple, I loved her with every part of my being.

WS is a producer and travels often for work, so there are chunks of the year where months will go by and she will be in various countries (beautiful places, beautiful interesting people) for weeks at a time, and I will only see her a few days in between. I have NEVER doubted WS unwavering commitment for a second. She was the kind of person everyone viewed as having impeccable integrity.

So… the first blow came on April 25th when after a small fight she said “I don’t know if I can do this anymore”… I was in a complete state of shock and disbelief. I asked if there was someone else. She said no. I took ownership of the increasingly depressed and negative state I had been in (in large part due to her being so distant for the past year, but I couldn’t see that yet) and committed to doing whatever I could to improve our relationship. Started therapy. Took full ownership (insert eye roll here) for ALL of our problems.

Cut to a few weeks later when I realize that a “work trip” she scheduled for meetings in NYC (I had asked to join, but she said no) was on a weekend. I began to panic, she’s a bad liar and something was not adding up. The lies continued when she was away on a shoot prior to NYC, and I (pathetically) begged her not to do anything while there. She gaslit me and told me it was just for meetings and to see friends, but in the days that followed her story unraveled. She gave her self away underneath layers of bad lying, and I ended up calling a hotel I knew she had points at (pretending to be her) and confirmed she had prepaid a month prior for a king bed room booked with another person (who I didn’t know) on the reservation. At this point, the whole thing blew open… but only after a story that the girl was just a friend staying with her for her “bachelorette party”… oh yes, her AP was actually about to get married.

To spare you more details: she had been having an EA with AP who lived on the other side of the country that she met on set for over a year. AP is 20 years WS's junior. WS sent AP multiple high priced gifts, massages, and spent hours and hours daily texting with her for the better part of six months. While most of the communication was deleted, all information I have about the affair has been through my own discovery. WS is going through early menopause and tends to "FORGET" A LOT. She swears that they had limited physical contact.. spooned in bed, made out, and then told each other they were dying to have sex and be together which led to them booking a trip (a mere month before AP’s wedding to another woman).

To give my WS some points, she did not let her AP stay in the NY hotel once I discovered it. She also did not come home, and instead spent the weekend with AP partying and also making out with her AP on the street, during which time she would text me repeatedly telling me I had nothing to worry about and they were just “friends” .

During the height of the affair WS told AP she loved her, she was all she wanted in the world. I found out all of this via trickle truth and an initial disastrous attempt of CT. I also know that AP and WS did a lot of push pull, and that my WS was the one really trying to make something physical happen. We are now both in IC doing very intense work. After initially blaming me for the affair, my WS has taken full accountability, is remorseful, and doing everything she can to make things right.

I hadn’t realized how far away she had been (emotionally and physically) until she returned. So the initial recovery was a blend of SHOCK and relief to have her back. I initially left our house for a week, and returned.

Now we are 3 months post DD. We had 3 months of time together (almost exclusively) and did incredible work at processing and rebuilding. While I believe we may be through the initial shock/denial phase… I am suddenly feeling such intense loss/pain/uncertainty. For thirteen months she gave herself to this other woman. YES it was rooted in fantasy, but it was not over quickly, and she gave her self over to it 1000% without a second thought of me (she has told me this, remorsefully, many times).

WS’s job requires extensive travel (which is how all of this started) and I can’t help but feel EXTREME PTSD at the thought of her leaving for weeks at a time starting next week.

In addition… I cannot stop myself from looking at the AP’s social media channels. Let me be clear, I deleted all of my social media apps... and I still keep reloading them and looking. Like a crazy person. She is not very attractive (affair down) but she is 27, VERY confident and outgoing (we are in our mid 40’s). I am statuesque, slim, introverted. She is tiny, round, obnoxious and full of herself. I can’t help but obsess over how different she is in so many ways, similar in others. But my god... no wrinkles. Not one.

At any rate… that’s my story. And that is my current dilemma. Obsessing, ruminating, trying to figure out if I will ever be able to actually get over this in a way that is healthy, long term. If I can really trust WS, if I can ever lead a normal life in this new reality.

Any thoughts, words of encouragement (re the above) much appreciated.

As a side note: if you have an issue with LGBT, I respectfully ask that you please click to the next thread and refrain from using this comment thread as a soap box. Thank you.

[This message edited by shanti108 at 6:24 PM, August 28th (Wednesday)]

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 shanti108 (original poster new member #71412) posted at 12:13 AM on Thursday, August 29th, 2019

I should add: the affair was over the minute WS returned from NYC. The problem is, I can't help but imagine what would have happened if I had not caught them? Would it ever be over?

She swears she had the lightbulb moment and realized, in the light of day, AP was not what she wanted at all. She says she has no feeling left for her, does not miss her. It is hard for me to imagine how that is possible... but I am trying.

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squid ( member #57624) posted at 12:28 AM on Thursday, August 29th, 2019

Welcome, shanti108. Sorry you've found us.

I can't help but imagine what would have happened if I had not caught them? Would it ever be over?

This is the million dollar question. You're very fresh out from Dday and it's natural for the BS to seek normalcy and for things to go back to how they were. Sure, she's acting like the ideal partner now. But I can't tell you how many times I've read of a WS snapping into being the ideal partner shortly after D-day only to learn that the A went further underground.

What you need to be looking for is consistent ACTIONS over time. Sure, she's going to IC and maybe acting remorseful. But really, it's most likely regret and guilt. Remorse comes from having empathy and an understanding of how she has devastated you. If she had empathy she wouldn't have betrayed so calculatedly in the first place.

As you know, cheaters lie. Take whatever she says with grain of salt. Watch her actions. Is she being proactive with trying to make you feel safe? She should be leading the effort in R. You're in for a long journey and she needs to be doing the lion's share of the work.

She swears she had the lightbulb moment and realized, in the light of day, AP was not what she wanted at all. She says she has no feeling left for her, does not miss her.

Again, these are just words. Refer to the 1st quote.

There have been quite a few LGBT posters here in the time that I first joined SI, so please feel welcome here.

[This message edited by squid at 6:31 PM, August 28th, 2019 (Wednesday)]

BH
D-Day 2.19.17
Divorced 12.10.18

This isn’t what any of us signed up for. But it is the hand that we have been dealt. Thus, we must play it.

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Lionne ( member #25560) posted at 12:33 AM on Thursday, August 29th, 2019

I'm going to give some standard advice commonly given to newbies. Gender just doesn't matter.

This is trauma. Your emotions will be all over and up and down. Our "Healing Library" is full of wonderful, useful information.

Couples counseling is rather useless at this point. SHE has to figure out why she allowed herself to do this in your marriage.

You have to work to heal, she has to be prepared to be totally transparent and allow you to ask questions again and again. That's the only way you'll be able to process this.

Self care is paramount. Avoid alcohol, drink lots of water and force yourself to eat healthy food. Get some exercise, the worst thing I did after dday was give up my regular gym attendance. Don't be me.

I'm sorry you are here. Others will come by with more information and assistance.

(((((shantil108))))

Me-BS-65 in May<BR />HIM-SAFWH-68<BR />I just wanted a normal life.<BR />Normal trauma would have been appreciated.

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survrus ( member #67698) posted at 1:45 AM on Thursday, August 29th, 2019

Yes Lesbians have affairs, I had a lesbian coworker who had a crush on me and talked about threesomes, and I'm a guy! Love is genderless, and Love is difficult work no matter what the combination.

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 shanti108 (original poster new member #71412) posted at 2:58 AM on Thursday, August 29th, 2019

Thank you, everyone. Your words are appreciated and I am happy to have found this group.

Squid: your words of wisdom are very helpful. Time will tell. I too wonder where the empathy was during the 13mo period of the affair.

Lionne: agree re the self care! It is when I feel my best these days.

Survus: YES, love is complicated business. I thought we had the fairy tale... there are no fairy tales, but infidelity is exceptionally hard to navigate. I am doing my best.

It's funny because I dated men for years, and was always so paranoid about affairs and someone cheating with a younger woman (my father cheated on my mother when I was a child, it led to a nasty divorce). For some reason I felt I had protected myself by being with a woman who seemed so rock solid... turns out I was wrong.

Tonight we are going on a date. It has been a few sleepless nights in a row, and even though we finally got into the best restaurant in town, I just feel tired and kind of want to curl up in a ball.

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Newlifeisgreat ( member #71308) posted at 3:29 AM on Thursday, August 29th, 2019

Have you contacted the AP’s fiancé/wife?

Betrayed Spouse. She cheated and I filed immediately upon discovering. She never even suspected that I knew until the moment she was served with reason being Adultery. Divorced: Sept, 2018. VERY happy with new life, 0 regrets

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ashesofkali ( member #56327) posted at 3:51 AM on Thursday, August 29th, 2019

Oh shanti, I'm so sorry you're here. But it's good that you've found us. Welcome.

I am also a BS and I understand your pain in some ways.

It sounds like your WS is not remorseful and thus not a good candidate for R (reconciliation). You might do best to prepare yourself for breaking with her.

I've been there/done that when it comes to checking out the AP on social media. I obsessed over my WH's Other, followed her, contacted her, wanted to know about her. It brought me more sorrow and nothing good. So my advice is to avoid that pain-shopping. You don't need it. It won't help you.

Look after yourself. Take care of you. You're the prize here. Your wife should be fighting to keep you; if she's not, it's her loss. Best of everything to you. (((hugs)))

Me: 54yo former BW, divorced, no kids

Him: Deleted

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Marie2792 ( member #44958) posted at 5:37 AM on Thursday, August 29th, 2019

Very gently, how do you know they made out on the street and not in the room? I have been reading these boards long enough to recognize minimizing on the WS part.

And call the APs partner. Blow this shit up.

Me: BS,48 (41 at dday)Him: WS, 56 (49 at dday)Married 27 years, together 30 Dday : 9/9/14 3 week PA

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beenthereinco ( member #56409) posted at 3:40 PM on Thursday, August 29th, 2019

I agree with Marie. You have likely gotten a minimized version of what happened. The AP was going to stay with her and didn't have another room. Where did she sleep? I would just assume that they had sex if I were you and treat your WS like she is lying. Why would she be willing to make out in the streets but not have her alone in her room? Doesn't add up.

Look around on this site and you'll see that the first story is always minimized. It may not matter to you, the emotional part of all of this sounds as important to you as the physical, but what is important is the continued disrespect of lying. At this stage she needs to be completely transparent and open to you about everything. She has to humble herself. I'm not talking about humiliation or punishment. Just showing you that she has enough respect for you to be truthful. Right now I don't think she has done that.

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MamaDragon ( member #63791) posted at 5:05 PM on Thursday, August 29th, 2019

(hugs) it sucks that you are here because you were betrayed.

It doesn't matter if you are straight/lesbian/bi - being cheated on hurts.

Have you discussed what you expect from her when she travels? Are there things she can do to make you feel safer? IE, going to her hotel room at a certain time instead of staying out partying with co-workers? Face timing/calling/texting throughout the day?

She broke your trust, it is up to her to carry the heavy load and build it back. 100% transparency would help. I would also urge you to block the AP on everything, pain shopping is not going to help you recover. I'd seriously consider telling her wife/gf. She deserves to know.

(hugs)

BS - 40 something at A time, over 50 now
WS - him, younger than me
Reconciled

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Chaos ( member #61031) posted at 5:32 PM on Thursday, August 29th, 2019

Betrayal knows no bounds. Nor does the pain it causes.

Others have given you good advice. But the top 3 things [to me] are * get tested for STDs, * blow that shit up and inform OBS [or partner] * be extra kind to yourself.

Sending hugs and strength.

BS-me/WH-4.5yrLTA Married 2+ decades-2 adult children. Multiple DDays w/same LAP until I told OBS 2018- Cease & Desist sent spring 2021 "Hello–My name is Chaos–You f***ed my husband-Prepare to Die!"

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 shanti108 (original poster new member #71412) posted at 6:06 PM on Thursday, August 29th, 2019

Thank you everyone, for the helpful and thoughtful replies. The reason I believe she didn't "stay" in the room, is because there were a series of whatsapp texts I did discover that took place during the weekend they were together. The AP was VERY angry about not being able to stay in the room with her, and tried to manipulate her way in... told WS that I was being "insanely controlling"... yeah, she actually said that. According to the Whatsapp thread she returned to her hotel at 4am, the AP did stay at a mutual friends apartment. I suppose they could have made the whole thing up for me to find, but my WS doesn't seem that good at this kind of stuff to pull it off. AP sent her a text with her leg up a wall and a picture of the window that woke her up when the sun came through Sat am to try to convince her way back to the hotel.

I honestly think Saturday was the day the illusion broke for my WS. AP began acting like a spoiled brat (confirmed by her whatsapp msgs) and I think the fact that WS knew I knew something was off led to breakdown. She actually changed her flight Sunday to come back first thing in the morning and canceled their Sunday plans.

That said... I am sure there is minimizing. I have assumed that there was far more than I know, but the emotional stuff was off the charts. I found a love letter that she wrote professing her love to her, and that was enough heartbreak for me. I also found a thread between her and her "friend" who encouraged her A and who was giving her advice throughout. Good news: WS has kicked that "friend" to the curb, which I told her was the only way I would move forward.

Re travel and work: we have come up with guidelines. Constant communication, at least three check ins a day and a facetime at night when in the hotel room. She has agreed not to drink on set (a big part of the camaraderie is alcohol and partying after a long day, with AP it was binge drinking) and while I will not be able to know for sure, I can generally tell when she has been drinking. I think her offering it up is a good first start. I have also asked that I have access to her emails/whatsapp on one of my devices here at home so that I can monitor, if I want to. Honestly... that part is exhausting but knowing what is up helps a lot.

One thing that did throw me the other day was when I mentioned reading about a lie detector test on here. She FLIPPED out. Said no way. That was telling... I guess I was thinking/hoping she would volunteer to help me feel better.

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 shanti108 (original poster new member #71412) posted at 6:08 PM on Thursday, August 29th, 2019

OH! My biggest question: Do you really think I should tell the OPS??? I thought that was a huge no, for various reasons. We live in different cities, and AP actually blocked me from OPS social media accounts... which was bizarre.

I do feel like she has the right to know, but was conflicted about that one. It felt a bit like waking a sleeping bear.

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Chaos ( member #61031) posted at 6:17 PM on Thursday, August 29th, 2019

I didn't on DDay1. For similar reasons. And if you read my tag line - you'll see subsequent DDays w/same AP.

Of course AP blocked you [WH AP blocked me too - that way we can't see stuff and figure stuff out].

Blow that shit up! You can inform without being cruel. Do NOT tell that you are going to do this. You will hear all kinds of reasons and pleading why you shouldn't tell him - the only thing that will accomplish is to let things go underground. If they didn't want the fall out they wouldn't have cheated. Just do it. It is the right thing to do.

BS-me/WH-4.5yrLTA Married 2+ decades-2 adult children. Multiple DDays w/same LAP until I told OBS 2018- Cease & Desist sent spring 2021 "Hello–My name is Chaos–You f***ed my husband-Prepare to Die!"

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Buster123 ( member #65551) posted at 8:53 PM on Thursday, August 29th, 2019

Listen to the collective wisdom of SI and inform OBS RIGHT NOW and without warming, it’s the most effective way to try to end the A, plus it typically provides another set of eyes to help maintain NC.

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survrus ( member #67698) posted at 2:04 AM on Friday, August 30th, 2019

At the very least the OBS or SO needs to be informed so they can get tested for STDs.

Kissing is also deadly btw as HPV can be transmitted which can cause cancer. There's no such thing as just kissing frankly there's nothing as intimate as kissing.

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