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Being Blindsided Means You Didn’t Love Your Spouse???

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steadychevy ( member #42608) posted at 12:36 PM on Friday, September 20th, 2019

Too personal? After what I’ve shared here?

Funny!!!

The talk about adultery in movies and reactions by the WS/FWS reminded me of something.

When my WW was deep in her LTA we went to a 5 star ski resort (ski in, ski out, hot pools) for our Christmas celebration with our 3 daughters. It was a month after WW had a 6 day long "work" trip with her AP all over northern Alberta.

Eyes Wide Shut was playing on the TV while the girls were still out skiing. I didn't know it was about adultery. My WW wouldn't watch it with me. I don't know if it was that she didn't want to be close to me or didn't want anything about adultery to be right in her face. I didn't know she was cheating at the time so it was curious she didn't want to watch it.

BH(me)72(now); XWW 64; M 42 yrsDDay1-01/09/13;DDay2-26/10/13;DDay3-19/12/13;DDay4-21/01/14LTA-09/02-06/06? OM - COW 4 years; "dates" w/3 lovers post engagement;ONS w/stranger post commitment, lies, lies, liesSeparated 23/09/2017; D 16/03/2020

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realitybites ( member #6908) posted at 2:51 PM on Friday, September 20th, 2019

If any of you have NOT watched the series Ozark on Netflix with Jason Bateman I HIGHLY suggest it.

Ramius mentioned this on the first page of this thread but I will also highlight it, so if you want to watch a show that in itself is very good, but in the first season, in fact within the first few episodes this is very much the theme in how painful and surprised Jason Bateman's character was to discover his wife's infidelity, and then what happened after. Great series by the way.

I liked the way Jason Bateman handled infidelity in Ozark better. His character had a bit more backbone.

To his cheating wife who’s lover gets thrown off a balcony...

"In fact the satisfying sound of your lover smacking the pavement is the only thing that gets me to sleep at night.

We are not husband and wife anymore. We’re just business partners. And our job is to raise those kids.“

Stop expecting loyalty from people who cannot even give you honesty.

He stopped being my husband the first time he cheated. It took me awhile to understand that I was no longer his wife.

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HowIsThisReal ( member #50235) posted at 6:07 PM on Friday, September 20th, 2019

With minimal searching you can look through a website that starts with a R that has a pro-adultery segment.

I've been in there and oh. my. word. it is DISGUSTING.

Me: BS | D-Day 11/3/2015

Took about 5 years of hard work, but we are R'd.

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RocketRaccoon ( member #54620) posted at 12:43 AM on Saturday, September 21st, 2019

Walloped,

Too personal? After what I’ve shared here?

Thanks for replying, and all the best to you, and your family.

You cannot cure stupid

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Butforthegrace ( member #63264) posted at 7:56 PM on Sunday, September 22nd, 2019

I recently saw "The Aftermath" with Keira Knightley, another infidelity-themed movie. Keira plays the wife of a British military officer dispatched to Hamburg in the wake of the German surrender of WWII to help "establish order" in the city. Hamburg was of course the site of massive firebombing shortly before the war's end, and thus much of the city was in rubble in the film, with citizens digging through the rubble seeking, among other things, remains of loved ones, in the cold of winter.

The British army has requisitioned a large mansion in the country for occupancy by the officer and his wife. The mansion is the property of a German man, an architect, who lives there with his daughter.

We learn during the course of the film that his wife was killed in the firebombing. We also learn that the son of the British officer and the Keira Knightley character was killed a year or so earlier, in London, by a German bomb, probably a V-1 "buzz bomb".

The officer and his wife have tension between them dating back to the death of the son. He quietly seethes with what she incorrectly perceives to be anger, which she also incorrectly believes is based in his belief that she was irresponsible in letting the son be in the area that was bombed and therefore responsible for the son's death. She in turn is angry at him because she believes he was not "there" emotionally with/for her in the wake of the son's death, and because she believes that, to punish her, he has immersed himself into his military work, making himself unavailable to her.

The home owner and his daughter are permitted to reside in the attic of the manse while it is being used for British officer housing. The British officer is often away in various distant locations doing war stuff. The homeowner is an architect, brutally handsome, sensitive, cultured, artistic. Naturally he and the Keira Knightley character end up swapping bodilies and such.

Eventually it comes to a head. She decides to leave her husband for the kraut AP. They're going to his country place in the Alps (I forgot to mention that he is also independently wealthy). Just as she is saying "goodbye" to her husband, we see that he is truly and deeply hurt, and he says parting words to her that are beautiful and sincere and reveal the depth of his love for her and his pain over the loss of their son, which does not in any way involve anger nor blame toward her. In her face, we can see her realizing that she was wrong about her BH all along, that he was in fact there for her if she had only tried to reach out and take him rather than push him away.

Spoiler alert: in the end, she does not run off with the Aryan Stallion; rather, she returns to the loving arms of her grieving husband, who welcomes her back unconditionally, with huge orchestral music swelling and heaving in the background, all set against a gorgeous German winter woods-scape.

The first 1/3 of the film is plodding and pedantic, almost as bad as that awful dreck about Wimbledon in which Scarlett Johansson holds her nose and tries valiantly to pretend she has actual chemistry with the preening, insipid Jonathan Rhys Meyers. The middle 1/3 can't quite figure out whether it wants to be a love story or a cloak-and-dagger story involving a sub-plot about an underground resistance run by remaining Nazis in hiding. The last reel tries to wrap up the infidelity in a neat bow. Very untrue to life.

But the part of the film that I did find interesting, and apropos of this site, was the depiction of how the WW had formulated false beliefs about her BH's perceived anger and resentment toward her, leading her to reach a place in her own mind where she despaired, felt hated and unloved, sought out a refuge. In the end, the film shows us that her belief on this point was completely wrong, a product of her own neuroses and insecurity. As to that part, I did find the film to reflect the reality that we see in many WW threads here on SI.

[This message edited by Butforthegrace at 3:20 PM, September 22nd (Sunday)]

"The wicked man flees when no one chases."

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HouseOfPlane ( member #45739) posted at 8:08 PM on Sunday, September 22nd, 2019

Nope. At least in my experience, R can be going great and things are doing well, but it doesn’t go away. It’s there in the back, tucked away, and rears it’s head at the oddest times. Not necessarily bad or harmful, but there.

If you want to see a movie about that, watch The Babadook.

Nothing and everything to do with it. Great movie.

DDay 1986: R'd, it was hard, hard work.

“Tell me, what is it you plan to do
with your one wild and precious life?”
― Mary Oliver

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Bigger ( Attaché #8354) posted at 10:05 AM on Monday, September 23rd, 2019

The movie mentioned in this thread is written by one man. He states that his books aren’t based on personal experience, plus he writes dialogue for everyone speaking. It isn’t a dialogue where what one person says triggers an unexpected response from the other, but rather where what one person says is done to set up a predefined response from the other and so on. There isn’t anything non-spontaneous in this. And yes – the conversation reflects the preconceptions of those that haven’t been there and worn out the T-shirt.

IMHO Unfaithful romanticizes infidelity. I have yet to see the inside of a restaurant or diner rest-room where I would think having sex was “romantic”. Plus I think the confrontation and killing of the OM is pure BH fantasy. We all know reality is so much different.

If any mainstream movie has can be quoted correctly on infidelity, then my vote would go to Closer from 2004. When confronting her wayward husband one of the characters says:

Oh, as if you had no choice? There's a moment, there's always a moment, "I can do this, I can give into this, or I can resist it", and I don't know when your moment was, but I bet you there was one.

A: I don't love you anymore.

B: Since when?

A: Now. Just now. I don't wanna lie but I can't tell the truth so...it's over.

[IMHO describes perfectly how instant justification is used]

When I get back, please tell me the truth. I'm addicted to it. Because without it, we're animals. Trust me. [The importance of truth]

I strongly warn that Closer is probably a constant trigger for newly betrayed people and should be avoided unless you feel strong enough. It’s a madhatter bonanza.

"If, therefore, any be unhappy, let him remember that he is unhappy by reason of himself alone." Epictetus

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Butforthegrace ( member #63264) posted at 3:47 PM on Sunday, September 29th, 2019

Came across another vehicle with an infidelity theme, Season 1 of "Big Little Lies". The Reese Witherspoon character is a SAHM in an opulent ocean-front home in Monterey. Her (second) husband is an internet millionaire.

She is constantly getting into battles with various people over manufactured drama. She has a pattern of perceiving herself as a victim of injustice, over and over. In particular, she repeatedly complains about how her first husband seems so happy with his new wife (Zoe Kravitz).

Her BH perceives this and calls her on it. "I refuse to be your consolation prize." She repeatedly reassures him that he is her "one and only", her first choice. But then you learn this is a lie; she's having an A with a MM who runs a local theater company where Reese devotes a lot of time as a volunteer.

"The wicked man flees when no one chases."

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gmc94 ( member #62810) posted at 6:13 AM on Saturday, October 5th, 2019

My WH said he felt bothered by watching Closer. And I agree, it's pretty good about showing the mess and aftermath of an A.

I have no clue if any of it bothers him now. I doubt it. He just puts it all in a little box.

Blue Jasmine was recently on. I remembered watching it with him in the theater - he was probably 4-6 years into the PA. That the adulterer kills himself really freaks me out now.

I love movies and watch quite a bit. For the life of me I still cannot understand how he could sit with me and watch God only knows how many infidelity-related movies or TV shows. That HUNDREDS of times he'd sit beside me, hold my hand or rub my leg, never having any reaction. Never seeing himself as doing what we were watching. That he could do all of that and still consider himself a good husband and father... a man of integrity. It kind of grosses me out now - that someone could compartmentalize in such a cold blooded way for so incredibly long.

Hollywood obviously has zero interest in addressing infidelity. And for the life of me I don't understand that either :)

M >25yrs/grown kids
DD1 1994 ONS prostitute
DD2 2018 exGF1 10+yrEA & 10yrPA... + exGF2 EA forever & "made out" 2017
9/18 WH hung himself- died but revived

It's rude to say "I love you" with a mouthful of lies

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pureheartkit ( member #62345) posted at 1:08 PM on Saturday, October 5th, 2019

Agreed W,

I was conditioned and gaslit. I brought up things. I tried to bring us closer. I saw behavior changes. I refused to believe. I saw his face with shame as he told me half truths and blatant lies. I absorbed the hostility and silence for questioning the situation. Finally he slipped.

It was never my fault. He thought he was entitled to what he wanted and to lie and abuse me.

When someone has been pretending so long, it's not your fault they are an actor/ deceiver in the marriage.

I'm glad your Mrs. W was able to heal herself. Mine couldn't and I'm sad for him, for us. These movies never get it. A's cause so much un necessary damage. Damages to whole families and generations. Why? Somebody thought they should have more.

What we need is a hard look at ourselves. If you have a good life do you need more when it hurts someone else? Let's all rise together.

Thank you everyone for your wisdom and healing.

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