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How To Recover When Affair Sex Was Better

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MiserableMan ( new member #74254) posted at 10:44 AM on Monday, April 20th, 2020

standinghere:

Thank you for sharing your story in detail. It was very helpful to me.

I noticed that your footer states: "Reconciled - Partly...she can't get over it"

Can you please explain exactly what this means ? Do you think a wayward needs to get over it to become reconciled ? Do you think a remorseful spouse will be able to get over their own sins ?

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HardKnocks ( member #70957) posted at 3:38 PM on Monday, April 20th, 2020

It's so interesting how subjective all of this is! And sad--pain on so many levels.

I don't have a hard time accepting that "A-Game" sex, AKA Audition Sex might be "better" than sex after a long-term relationship. Quite sure AP pulled out all the stops (and maybe other things) to make the one thing they shared most spectacular, especially short-term. Add all the illicit thrills--this makes sense to me.

I was/am always much more hurt by any amount of time my WS and his AP spent outside of sex; any emotional connection, etc. I lost it when my WS mentioned how on one occasion he and AP "sat around, talking." Cried my eyes out.

Just an observation.

BW
Recovered
Reconciled

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swmnbc ( member #49344) posted at 3:35 PM on Tuesday, April 21st, 2020

"Audition sex" . . . that's perfect.

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bluewater ( member #9297) posted at 11:09 PM on Tuesday, April 21st, 2020

standinghere, if I may ask, what is sex with her like now?

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standinghere ( member #34689) posted at 8:59 AM on Wednesday, April 22nd, 2020

Thank you for sharing your story in detail. It was very helpful to me.

I noticed that your footer states: "Reconciled - Partly...she can't get over it"

Can you please explain exactly what this means ? Do you think a wayward needs to get over it to become reconciled ? Do you think a remorseful spouse will be able to get over their own sins ?

Oh, you are welcome, and if you contact the OM/AP, he can probably provide more details.

Someone might think I'm being harsh when I provide the details, and "why would you let anyone know this stuff" sort of reaction, but I figure "what the hell".

I mean, it's not like it is a secret, every BS here has gone through hell after disclosure, and often was going through some degree of it before and was being made to think it was their fault. Then, to find out stuff like I found out, and wonder if they are alone in regards to the graphic and extreme nature of what their BS did with AP. It's all just the usual shit, and much of it makes no rational sense.

As far as my FWS not being able to get over this. I don't know how to explain this shortly, so I apologize for the length of the response.

My FWS really wants to be seen as a stable, dependable, wonderful, kind and loving spouse, mother, and friend that she most usually is. My FWS has a streak of codependency, which is not unusual when coming from a family of origin with the issues that existed there. Her mother and father both have issues with mental illness and her father was alcoholic, both of them cheated on each other multiple times, divorced, and subsequently at least the father did the same in two other marriages. Both she and her siblings have suffered from this upbringing, one becoming very religious, another repeating everything the parents did, and my FWS falls somewhere in the middle.

But, there is another side to this person, my FWS, which was more fully acknowledged in counseling had played out in relationships in the past, flashes of which would come and go in times of conflict in our marriage, usual marriage conflicts, but short term usually, a few days at most. In the affair, it may have come out partly because of a change in antidepressant medications, who knows, and there was alcohol and marijuana use mixed with that, and she was on a medication that you are not supposed to drink when taking (she had told her doctor that she didn't drink and she was drinking way more than I had knowledge of). She still cannot deal with the fact that she was as cruel as she was, never mind the parts that I was unaware of that took 9 years to be disclosed, she was cruel to me emotionally during the affair, which took place over 2 months. It came to the point that I told her to "get out, leave", I was done, I was not going to be treated like that. She ended up stopping the affair, the sexual part may have already stopped when I told her to leave, but the manipulation, gaslighting, and lying escalated, through MC initially, and continued for years, till the D-day and then the second round of MC 9 years later.

Because of the "extenuating" circumstances, depression, etc, my spouse really wanted to be given a "pass" on her behavior, saying verbatim "it wasn't me, that's not who I am".

The second MC, she basically drove home the fact that "this was you, it is who you are when you do these things, you did these things, you have done these things in the past, IF you drink, use marijuana, or are not open and honest with your husband and your physician, you WILL do these things again". In counseling, this was slowly revealed to be a repeating pattern, I just happened to be the most stable person she'd ever been in a relationship with, and overall circumstances being what they were it took longer to repeat in our marriage than it had before she was married to me, probably in large part because I didn't drink much and never drank to any significant degree of intoxication.

It is a hard thing to acknowledge your own capacity for cruelty to those that love you.

Remorse is part of the process, I don't use the word "sin" because I'm not religious, my FWS is the religious one.

Reconciliation is a process, that likely never ends. If someone can't bear to talk about what they have done, I would say that they have "partly" gone through that process.

My FWS remains in counseling and with mental health care 10 years after D-day, to deal with her emotions around this event, as well as prior actions that took place prior to our marriage, her actions as well as those of others she was involved with, and the consequences of those actions. She does not drink. She does not use Marijuana. She is open with her physician. She reports any medication changes to me immediately. If I see behavior at all like I've gone through in the past, I pick up the phone and call her physician. It is unlikely that it will ever be any better than it is now, and both of us have to accept that.

FBH - Me - Betrayal in late 30's (now much older)
FWS - Her - Affair in late 30's (now much older )
4 Children
Her - Love of my life...still is.
Reconciled BUT!

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The1stWife ( Guide #58832) posted at 3:22 PM on Wednesday, April 22nd, 2020

If I can add my two cents.

The Affair comes with no past. It’s new. It’s fresh. It’s NOT reality but infatuation.

No bills. No sick kids. Your spouse has not come home hours late for the third time this week. You don’t have issues or resentment over not taking out the garbage or how $ was spent etc.

The point is the affair is an escape. Is the sex better? Doubtful. Maybe. Possible.

But it’s not about the sex.

It’s about the escape.

It’s how you VIEW things. Weren’t Twinkies so much better when we were kids? Wasn’t your favorite cookie larger? Wasn’t Saturday morning cartoons the best?

Same goes for an affair. You can romanticize it all you want. The AP is better. The sex is better. The love is “real”. The AP is my “soulmate.” We talk for hours. (Yes because it’s all new and fresh. The AP has not heard your winning catch in HS baseball story hundreds of times ). 😂

Please have a reality check. The cheater is in la-la land if they believe this.

Survived two affairs and brink of Divorce. Happily reconciled. 12 years out from Dday. Reconciliation takes two committed people to be successful.

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HouseOfPlane ( member #45739) posted at 4:26 PM on Wednesday, April 22nd, 2020

The1stWife wrote

But it’s not about the sex.

It’s about the escape.

That's the key point. No strings attached, forbidden fruit is the sweetest. You can pretend the partner is whatever you want them to be, whatever they are pretending to be. You can pretend to be something else and no one sees through your bullshit. Not a lot of truth involved. That is always going to be flat-out different from a long term relationship.

[This message edited by HouseOfPlane at 10:26 AM, April 22nd (Wednesday)]

DDay 1986: R'd, it was hard, hard work.

"Tell me, what is it you plan to do with your one wild and precious life?" ― Mary Oliver

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Westway ( member #71747) posted at 9:03 PM on Wednesday, April 22nd, 2020

With my STBXWW it came down to racial preference and sexual greed. I realize now that the blinders are off that she is a greedy person in all other aspects of her life. Fifty pairs of shoes are better than ten pairs. Twenty purses are better than five. Twelve shithead bros from the hood are better than one faithful and dependable white guy (me).

I'm sure she got off on the sex, because for her it about having power and feeling desired. She is an upper class woman who has this enormous power over these low income scrubs. It's not the quality of the sex, it is about all the attention from these alpha males, and flirting and sexy talk leading up to the sex that makes her feel desired and beautiful. It is her drug.

She sent a text to me the other day regarding our pending divorce: "I feel so powerless." Yeah, well it's because you're jonesing for power. You haven't had your fix for a long long time you stupid whore.

[This message edited by Westway at 3:08 PM, April 22nd (Wednesday)]

Me: 52;

XWW: 50 y.o. serial cheater

Married 22 years, Together 24
2 Daughters: aged 16 and 20
DDay: 9/20/19
Divorced 12/03/20.

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Westway ( member #71747) posted at 9:08 PM on Wednesday, April 22nd, 2020

HouseOfPlane

That's the key point. No strings attached, forbidden fruit is the sweetest. You can pretend the partner is whatever you want them to be, whatever they are pretending to be. You can pretend to be something else and no one sees through your bullshit. Not a lot of truth involved. That is always going to be flat-out different from a long term relationship.

And long term relationships require you to have a partner that knows the real you and all your stupid hangups and monkeys. That's no fun. It's fun when the person you are fucking thinks you are flawless.

Me: 52;

XWW: 50 y.o. serial cheater

Married 22 years, Together 24
2 Daughters: aged 16 and 20
DDay: 9/20/19
Divorced 12/03/20.

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wifehad5 ( Administrator #15162) posted at 9:39 PM on Wednesday, April 22nd, 2020

As a reminder, there is no name-calling or venting in the Reconciliation Forum. If you need to vent please do so in the General or the Just Found Out forum.

FBH - 52 FWW - 53 (BrokenRoad)2 kids 17 & 22The people you do your life with shape the life you live

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fareast ( Moderator #61555) posted at 9:47 PM on Wednesday, April 22nd, 2020

“She sent a text to me the other day regarding our pending divorce: "I feel so powerless." Yeah, well it's because you're jonesing for power. You haven't had your fix for a long long time you stupid whore.”

Westway for the win!

Never bother with things in your rearview mirror. Your best days are on the road in front of you.

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The1stWife ( Guide #58832) posted at 10:11 PM on Wednesday, April 22nd, 2020

Westway. Sorry your wife decided being used by a bunch of guys for sex was the better choice.

I’m from your area. Know your situation well. Grew up with many people in my area who were relatives of your family/ in laws.

I think you handled this quite well.

We as Betrayed spouses need to realize the cheater is spinning lies and not dealing in reality. In some cases the AP doesn’t want a “relationship “ with the cheating spouse. They just want a little extra something on the side lol. And in other cases when push comes to shove the Cheater is not leaving the marriage either. They know the BS is the best thing they have.

It’s just an escape. Something new and exciting.

Given time it becomes boring and predictable - just like it should. Newness is gone. Shinier appeal wore off.

Survived two affairs and brink of Divorce. Happily reconciled. 12 years out from Dday. Reconciliation takes two committed people to be successful.

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nightmare01 ( member #50938) posted at 10:28 PM on Wednesday, April 22nd, 2020

As a large part of sexual enjoyment is about what's going on between your ears, I wonder if there isn't some amount of self justification going on when a WS says the sex with AP was better.

I mean, if you think the sex was just so-so, why go back for more? Why go through so much risk for something that is just 'meh'? So, to justify their actions, would a WS talk themselves into believing the sex was better than it actually was?

BH. DDay 07-19-2001.
Reconciliation is a life long process.

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Westway ( member #71747) posted at 10:50 PM on Wednesday, April 22nd, 2020

“She sent a text to me the other day regarding our pending divorce: "I feel so powerless." Yeah, well it's because you're jonesing for power. You haven't had your fix for a long long time you stupid whore.”

Westway for the win!

I actually did not respond to her. That reply was just what I was thinking. Sorry if I offended anyone.

Me: 52;

XWW: 50 y.o. serial cheater

Married 22 years, Together 24
2 Daughters: aged 16 and 20
DDay: 9/20/19
Divorced 12/03/20.

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royallypissed ( new member #23920) posted at 11:14 PM on Wednesday, April 22nd, 2020

It could be about maintaining some semblance of power in the relationship. WS tells BS that sex with the AP is better which galvanize the BS to do a version of the pick me dance to prove their sexual prowess. It seems that these situations the BS ultimately becomes super jaded to whatever effort the WS eventually puts forth and feels that the WS has no value in the relationship other than an abusive asshole.

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gmc94 ( member #62810) posted at 11:43 PM on Wednesday, April 22nd, 2020

if you think the sex was just so-so, why go back for more? Why go through so much risk for something that is just 'meh'? So, to justify their actions, would a WS talk themselves into believing the sex was better than it actually was?

There's another thread about the sex being better that goes into this.

I've never believed my WH's As were about the sex (heck, even bad sex is usually enjoyable). However, unlike 1st Wife, I can't say that I agree that an A is about escape. Mostly bc there are a million ways to escape that don't involve the damage of an A. Heck, I'd bet that most of us have done a bit of escapist TV binging ourselves during the pandemic. But there's innumerable other ways of escape, from videogames to booze/pot to golf, etc. All of which are designed to take our minds away from the reality of our lives. Most joggers I know say that for them, running is an escape (I'm more of a bicycle gal myself).

I've always believed cheating is about validation and power/control... in another thread, a BH said that "sex was just the currency". And I agree with this. So they go back if the sex was mind blowing... and they go back if the sex was awful. Because the purpose of the A is not the sex (even for an SA whose into prostitutes and porn). They continue to risk the M bc of the validation from their AP and bc of the power they have from/over the AP, the BS, the OBS, etc. If "information is power" then secrets are just as powerful (and we see all the damn time how WS cannot give that up - they cannot come clean about their extramarital activities bc once their secrets are out, they have lost all semblance of that power/control over the M and over the BS).

I think it takes awhile for a BS to process through that piece of it. Some get stuck on the sex or sex-related comparisons (attractiveness, penis size, etc). When I first came to SI I was always kind of put off by folks who'd say the sex didn't matter. And somewhere along the line the lightbulb went off and I realized just how much it really doesn't matter. I suspect it may coincide with the impact time can have to blur the mind movies, but I really don't know.

I think at the time the EA went PA, my WH would have said the sex was awesome - today, not so much. I've never bought his line of "it was different, not better" because that line was never followed up with anything remotely along the lines of "sex is better with you" (ergo, it WAS "better" with his girlfriend). In any event, at this juncture, it really doesn't matter to me if the sex was swinging from the rafters awesome for them, as even tho my WH has not done the work or shown himself to be "R material", I'd bet that today he'd say it was not that good and absolutely not worth the price he's paid, I've paid, our kids paid, etc.... I'm pretty sure he'd say it was not worth losing his wife for.

ETA:

Given time it becomes boring and predictable - just like it should. Newness is gone. Shinier appeal wore off.

This may be true for some, but not all. My WH had a 10+yr EA followed by a 10yr PA, along with at least 2 other one-time (so he claims) PA encounters. I don't think any of it ever became boring or predictable for him. I feel pretty confident he'd now be in year 13 of the PA if his girlfriend hadn't dumped him.

[This message edited by gmc94 at 5:58 PM, April 22nd, 2020 (Wednesday)]

M >25yrs/grown kids
DD1 1994 ONS prostitute
DD2 2018 exGF1 10+yrEA & 10yrPA... + exGF2 EA forever & "made out" 2017
9/18 WH hung himself- died but revived

It's rude to say "I love you" with a mouthful of lies

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ann1960 ( member #5473) posted at 6:02 AM on Thursday, April 23rd, 2020

It was the best sex...

Oh NOW they decide to be honest. They are just being mean spiteful. How dare we as BS carry on and ask fir the details. The WS doesn’t like giving them up so after us hammering away, chip, chip, chip then comes the snarky, hurtful, rude comments. Oh I remember when I got mine. FWH: I gave her oral sex because I enjoyed giving her pleasure....

Remember this is a unicorn relationship. Best behavior is expected. They also put out to extreme sexual measures to show “see I’m amazing in bed” and the BS doesn’t appreciate this.

I love it described as Audition Sex.

And it is so true that the relationship is about escape.

IMHO there’s no R possible if the WS says we had better sex and means it.

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The1stWife ( Guide #58832) posted at 11:59 AM on Thursday, April 23rd, 2020

GMC94.

You make some excellent points. I agree the affair is about the validation and ego boost the cheater gets from the AP and that the sex is the currency.

I think it all ties together with the escape from the marriage or the every day life that can get boring. But with the AP and affair it’s exciting and illicit and a secret etc.

I agree you can do so many things to add to your day and make it exciting. But for some reason cheaters choose an affair. Others drink or do extreme sports etc. to escape reality or every day life.

You are right in that the “escape” can be healthier better choices. But there is an element of the affair that you don’t get from all those other choices - the secretive illicit behavior that is part of an affair. The sneaking around. Forbidden fruit type of appeal. The danger of getting caught. For so many cheaters that is intoxicating.

During an affair the cheater can be anyone or anything they want with the AP. They can be a kind loving person to the AP yet they are not that way to their spouse. They can be rich and have a successful career when quite the opposite is true.

I guess we never really know what drives people to make the choices they do.

[This message edited by The1stWife at 6:04 AM, April 23rd (Thursday)]

Survived two affairs and brink of Divorce. Happily reconciled. 12 years out from Dday. Reconciliation takes two committed people to be successful.

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Decimated ( member #31656) posted at 8:31 PM on Thursday, April 23rd, 2020

I didn't even want to know the answer to that question. I just assumed it must have been better because she was willing to destroy our marriage and family for it.

The worst part was that I was the one who put the effort into our sex life, never her. Honestly, she was rather boring and passive in bed but I loved her so I tried my best.

I knew I would never recover if I stayed with her. Especially with her lack of effort towards anything except her affair.

I got out without hearing that answer. It was just better that way. XWW's have a way of crushing our confidence by with their actions. I didn't need to hear the words as well.

Me -BH 47, now 56
Her-XWW 39, now, who cares
D Day #1 9/09 found out about texting
D day #2 1/11 found out EA on going
D day #3 4/11 found out EA was a PA
Divorced 1/13

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Westway ( member #71747) posted at 7:23 PM on Saturday, April 25th, 2020

In the end, once you divorce and move on, whether or not you were worse, better, equal to your WS's affair partners is no longer an issue. You have to learn to love yourself enough to be able to carry on with your life and give everything you have to whatever partner you end up with. Only they can tell you if you are making the grade, and frankly, if the sex isn't good for them, break up and move on until you find someone you are compatible with.

I'm not looking forward to trying on new shoes. I would much rather be in a committed relationship with a woman who thinks I rock her world; but finding a woman who feels that way, who also has the traits of a good and faithful partner, is going to be hard. And this time around I'm putting any and all prospective mates through the litmus test before I commit myself to one of them.

I'm seeing a woman occasionally now, and the sex is outta sight. But she is not a candidate for a committed relationship because she had the decency to tell me so up front. And I respect her for her honesty. She has no desire to get married anytime soon, to any man, if ever. And I feel the same way.

Me: 52;

XWW: 50 y.o. serial cheater

Married 22 years, Together 24
2 Daughters: aged 16 and 20
DDay: 9/20/19
Divorced 12/03/20.

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