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gr8ful ( member #58180) posted at 12:41 AM on Tuesday, July 8th, 2025

I want to make clear that I intend to avoid AP and his family whenever possible, and I hope to God my wife does too.

I say this with the very best of intentions to OP: your passivity will not serve you well. If you have ANY desire for R, you simply must tell OBS, and insist on NC. Tell your adulterous wife that. That means one or both quits their jobs. If you need to keep this quiet (I sure hope no part of that is you feeling embarrassed — your wife cheated, you didn’t), then you must move to a new town far away.

Accomplishing all of this AND successfully reconciling with a woman who’s clearly not remorseful is going to be 99.9% impossible. Unfortunately so many must learn the hard way. I wish you the best.

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JimBetrayed62 ( member #72275) posted at 1:46 AM on Tuesday, July 8th, 2025

Don’t you think your wife suggesting you "go for it" in terms of your tryst in an "open marriage" was simply to assuage her guilt for the affair she was already probably in the midst of?

I think your WS is a master gaslighter.

The only way to deal with her total bullshit is outing their affair to the OBS and cutting off "ALL CONTACT" with OM. If she refuses I would immediately move to file for divorce. I don’t matter how hard it is on her. Your marriage is the foundation of your family, and if she refuses to make the changes then she is refusing to repair a foundation that currently has collapsed.

Me: BSHer: FWSDDay1 - Sept. 2004 DDay 2 - Dec. 2005 4-year LTA They were "soulmates"

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Cooley2here ( member #62939) posted at 4:55 AM on Tuesday, July 8th, 2025

Generally I never get this blunt but here goes…get a divorce started. You have been living in a marriage as a party of one. Who knows what her definition of marriage is but it isn’t looking good from over here. She has been cheating on you for at least half of your marriage.

What are you getting out of it?

Even your halfhearted stab at an open marriage sounds sad. This isn’t what you want, is it? You need someone with a little more glue in their psyche. She does not appear to stick very well. I don’t read that she loves you. She probably can’t love the way you do.

When things go wrong, don’t go with them. Elvis

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longsadstory1952 ( member #29048) posted at 3:06 PM on Tuesday, July 8th, 2025

Instead of blowing the whole town open (over a coach?) or keeping on living in a wholly untenable situation, you could quietly divorce your wife, and start a real life. Your kids probably suspect more than you think, and will be better off with one semi normal parent than two people living a lie, which is a recipe for life long misery.

It’s hard enough running into the affair partner when you are in true R. But since you are not, it is going to be a psycho moment for you. So why set yourself up?

Also, I hope the open marriage thing is now off the table. The worst thing for this situation is for her to be off doing yet another guy.


By the way, I just read a stat that 92 percent of open marriages end in failure.

[This message edited by longsadstory1952 at 3:09 PM, Tuesday, July 8th]

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 AllThatJazz (original poster new member #86320) posted at 3:19 PM on Tuesday, July 8th, 2025

Yes, the open marriage thing is ended. I’m not very proud of it, but after her admissions, I used the open marriage to get my rocks off quite effectively for about a month, letting her know each time I left the house what I was going to do. When that began to feel empty, I said okay open marriage is now done.

Just because you can doesn't mean you should.

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sisoon ( Moderator #31240) posted at 3:47 PM on Tuesday, July 8th, 2025

AllThatJazz, You have a PM.

Healing is an action. The people who heal most are those who set boundaries, maintain them, and impose consequences as appropriate.

¬¬¬Let's go back to basics:
I recommend thinking of R as 3 healings:

1) You heal you. Most BSes are inundated with immense amounts of grief, anger, fear, and/or shame on d-day. The largest part of your work is to process those feelings out of your body. A good IC can help you do this.

2) Your WS heals themself. They need to change from cheater to good partner. I think that requires IC for the WS, but others disagree.
3) Together you build a new M.

This means you can recover from being betrayed without your WS; that is, you can survive this crisis and thrive without your WS, but you need your WS to R(econcile). You can heal yourself because you control yourself. You don't control your WS. I recommend making survive and thrive your primary goal and R your stretch goal.

Have you read the Healing Library here? If not, there's a lot of good stuff there. Click the link in the yellow box in the upper left of the SI pages.

I think there are a number of keys ingredients to the decision to R.

First, what do you want? Do you really want R? If not, don't lie to yourself. R is hard work, and wanting it makes it less difficult, but both D and R are moral responses to being betrayed.
If you want R, I recommend figuring out your requirements for R and seeing if your W will sign on. If they won't, perhaps they can come up with something else that will meet your requirements, but if you can't negotiate something truly acceptable to both of you, great - you can go directly to D. Otherwise, you can monitor them for 3-6 months and commit to R for yourself if they are (is?) consistent in meeting your requirements.

The requirements need to be observable and measurable. That way it's easy to monitor progress and make adjustments as you go along.

Common requirements include:

NC - no contact with ap; if ap initiates contact, report to BS and together decide how to respond

Transparency - BS has passwords to e-mail, voice-mail, phones, etc.; WS keeps BS informed of whereabouts, activities, and companions at virtually all times

Honesty - WS answers BS's questions when they're asked, although sometimes a break is necessary, sometimes an answer is best deferred to MC session, etc., no more lies.

IC for WS - to change the thoughts and feelings that supported the A, with signed release that enables C to talk with BS about WS's goals and progress (so the BS can make sure WS's IC isn't being lied to).

IC for BS - for support - and for resolving any internal issue that comes up

MC - to help communications between the partners, if one or both partners want MC
Some (Most?) people have individual requirements - my W had to arrange dates for us on a weekly basis and must initiate sex sometimes. What do you want from your W?

And R is a joint endeavor - if one of you hides objections to the other's requirements, you sabotage R. And you have to see your WS as a human being of worth equal to your own to make R work. You don't have to see your WS as a human being equal to you to recover, but you sure can't R, except with an equal. (This is what Wallop meant when he wrote 'Pleased to meet you', IMO.)
R is very rewarding when both partners want it an do the work. It seems to be hell on earth, though, unless both do that work. Being betrayed is bad enough - spare yourself the pain unless you want the reward and have a partner who will join you in the process.

*****

IOW, do not hope your W maintains NC. Make it a requirement, and impose a sanction (up to and including D) if she breaks it.

*****

Moving to G.

fBH (me) - on d-day: 66, Married 43, together 45, same sex apDDay - 12/22/2010Recover'd and R'edYou don't have to like your boundaries. You just have to set and enforce them.

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Bigger ( Attaché #8354) posted at 3:56 PM on Tuesday, July 8th, 2025

Whatever a couple agree on mutually is fine by me. By accepting an open marriage then whatever took place within that scope is not infidelity or cheating. We have couples on this site that are or were in an open marriage and what I think is quite clear is that for it to work there has to be a lot of trust, mutual full 100% acceptance and ground-rules that are adhered to. What experience on this site also seems to indicate is that if one partner is drawn reluctantly into an open marriage, or it’s done in some attempt to save a marriage then it’s not going to work. We also have seen so many instances where a spouse already in infidelity asks for an open marriage, and that never works.

What I find strange in your story is the emphasis on respectability, a vision of pillars of society, moral compass, small town, not wanting to let others know... and yet the both of you were at it with others in your open relationship. Was there no fear of that spreading out to the town gossips?

"If, therefore, any be unhappy, let him remember that he is unhappy by reason of himself alone." Epictetus

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 AllThatJazz (original poster new member #86320) posted at 4:08 PM on Tuesday, July 8th, 2025

What I find strange in your story is the emphasis on respectability, a vision of pillars of society, moral compass, small town, not wanting to let others know... and yet the both of you were at it with others in your open relationship. Was there no fear of that spreading out to the town gossips?

Yes, I was thinking that I was probably overemphasizing the public image part. It’s important to the Villains in this story. I shouldn’t have stressed it as much because I don’t give a damn. Also, I went FAR out of town for my things. It’s all foolish in retrospect. Honestly, at this point, I’m not sure any of my life isn’t foolish. Thank God for therapy…4 hours to go!

[This message edited by AllThatJazz at 4:08 PM, Tuesday, July 8th]

Just because you can doesn't mean you should.

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Cooley2here ( member #62939) posted at 5:12 PM on Tuesday, July 8th, 2025

This is going to sound like Pollyanna but I have been studying some info about how powerful words really are. Simply put, negative words bring feelings of sadness and anger. Positive words elevate us. They bring hope and good feelings.

An experiment, say these:

I am a good person
I am a loyal person
I am worthwhile
I am lovable
I give of myself to others
I feel sympathy and empathy
I am unique
I am worthwhile every second of every day.
I like to laugh
I enjoy love
I am worthwhile

When things go wrong, don’t go with them. Elvis

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Theevent ( member #85259) posted at 7:32 PM on Tuesday, July 8th, 2025

A few weeks before my wife told me about her affair, she suggested that I go find another sexual partner because pursuing another woman would improve my testosterone levels. Ironically I didn't want to because:

A. It would complicate our relationship
B. I didn't want her having sex with another man.

I suspect her plan from the start was really to allow that, then to suggest she do the same thing, and slide her AP in like she never cheated in the first place.

"Oh I found this guy I work with that I was attracted to..."

Or maybe it was to help alleviate her guilt a little.

Either way it should have been a huge red flag, but wasn't for me because I didn't believe she would ever cheat on me.

Don't trust her words! Identify, communicate and enforce hard boundaries in your relationship. Don't rely on what she says or "hope" she does better.

Me - BH D-day 4/2024 age 42Her - WW EA 1/2023, PA 7/2023 - 6/2024, age 40 Married 18 years, 2 teenage children Trying to reconcile

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