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Jsmart ( member #56437) posted at 2:18 PM on Tuesday, July 3rd, 2018

LD, could she have find your friend app enabled on your phone? But it's more likely that some friend of hers spotted you at lawyer's office.

Either way, you must keep moving out of adultery. There will be no healing for you, until you are able to stand on your own 2 feet.

Right now you're still to co-dependent. That's why we keep telling you to do the 180 as strictly as possible. It's not to get a reaction out of her. It's for you to detach.

Your WW has been emotionally MIA for months. The kids don't know how to express or even ask but they know "Mommy is different." Your kids need a healthy and emotionally strong dad to stand in the gap for them but you can't if you're mind is focus on your WW.

So it's time to selfishly start taking care of yourself. As much as possible, start putting yourself 1st. Start spending more time out of the house. You need to start developing an independent life.

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Tigersrule77 ( member #47339) posted at 2:41 PM on Tuesday, July 3rd, 2018

LD, your WW's life is going to hell, why do you think she is acting so angrily to you moving toward D? She wants you to just shut up and accept the life she has given you. You are causing trouble for her by standing up for yourself.

Stay strong. You are doing the right thing. PROTECT YOURSELF. Do you have a VAR? If not, you need one. Keep track of all of this stuff as you may need it in court. Also, it will protect you when she files a false domestic assault report. The way your WW is acting, it is very likely she will try it.

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 LeukemiaDad2017 (original poster member #63924) posted at 1:59 AM on Wednesday, July 4th, 2018

I completely agree with the sentiment that she's acting out due to losing control. I'm starting to see alot of her narcissism coming out now.

I've detached pretty well. The only place where I feel a draw is when I think about how messed up she is...but I can't do it for her.

I think I'm going to try and record her next outburst. We've had a few civil conversations of late regarding my son's treatments...that's good

Thanks all for your support. You all make valid points

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Bigger ( Attaché #8354) posted at 4:40 PM on Friday, July 6th, 2018

A lot of human behavior is predictable, especially in confrontational situations. As things progress she will become more and more argumentative. You too will tend to be more confrontational. It will probably go where being right is not as important as winning an argument. Things will be brought up and things will be said simply to cause pain. Accusations made and irrelevant events from the past displayed in a new light.

One of the reasons people do this is justification. Unless your wife is a true sociopath then she KNOWS that having an affair is not the correct way to end a marriage she claims is dead. She KNOWS she should have done it differently. She justifies her actions by finding things in you and your marriage that she can hang her justifications on.

The (illogical) line of thought she will have is something like this: “LD didn’t support me during DS illness. I needed someone to support me and LD failed. OM supported me as a friend. When we realized we had feelings for each other then it was too late. OM and I seem inevitable and LD hasn’t used his chance to change that. When I tried to go back to the marriage he made crazy demands like I don’t talk to OM as a FRIEND. Therefore, LD is unreasonable and therefore I am justified in ending the marriage and being with OM.”

This will probably turn into “Heck. It’s not even about OM. Our marriage was dead from the day last March when LD didn’t pick up the laundry (or whatever lame excuse she can find). I only started seeing OM once I knew the marriage was dead”

Her reasoning will change over time simply because it’s justification, not truth. It’s her way to explain to herself, family and friends why she “had” to get out of the marriage.

To feed the illogical thought and to give her justification she needs fuel.

That fuel is gathered through arguments and confrontations with you that confirm her view on you being unreasonable, draconian, a bore or whatever negative image she has of you. Therefore, she will become more argumentative and aggressive.

If you aren’t aware of it then you too will become more argumentative and aggressive. The significant difference though is that you don’t need to have your justification validated or changed. Your justification for why you and your wife are (probably) divorcing is clear: She had and is having an affair and you refuse to share.

Therefore, IMHO the very best thing you can do is to avoid arguments. Don’t feed her justification.

This is not the same as avoiding confrontation. In fact, you should be extremely prepared to deal with all confrontations, but don’t ARGUE. A confrontation is where you need to address issues that need to be dealt with. You enter with a goal and negotiate to where you can accept being. An argument is simply mutual verbal abuse. Keep focused and on track.

To me the path ahead is very clear. No matter if you wanted to reconcile then your wife is not willing to end the affair. She’s not willing to commit to reconciliation. Any wish or want you might have to reconcile isn’t relevant. Your only option right now IMHO is to take the only path left out of infidelity and that is the termination of your marriage. What you control is (a) how it’s done and (b) the speed and momentum.

Note – this is NOT the same as saying divorce is what you WANT. What you should WANT is out of infidelity. But if I refer to my burning-house comparison: You don’t want a fire in your living-room, but if it’s there you deal with it based on what can be done. IF your wife has a change-of-heart then AT THAT TIME you could reconsider what you want and how to get it.

I have an attorney friend and he told me that generally he can early-on in the divorce-process guestimate the final settlement. Two experienced attorneys could take a typical household and negotiate a division of assets and even a sensible custody and support schedule in 1-3 sessions. The problems arise when the couple argue over things that really aren’t important or realistically won’t happen… Basically he told me that 50-80% of the cost and time is for a 5-10% variance from the estimate.

With that in mind and the emotional stress divorce imposes I’m going to suggest YOU avoid ALL divorce-talk and negotiations with your wife, UNLESS in the presence of your attorney. If you don’t then she will use the meaningless negotiations at home as justification for her actions. She can tell you she wants the new jeep and that you take the old Honda, and you could argue the opposite with her all day long, but your attorney will simply file the request in the correct excel-cell and ensure you get your share.

So, if she starts talking to you about why the marriage is where it is then don’t argue. Don’t participate:

“I want a divorce because you didn’t support me”

“I am sorry you feel that way. If we were working on the marriage then this is something we would bring up in MC, but since we are divorcing then there really isn’t any need to go down that path”

“OM was there for me”

“I am sorry you feel that way. If we were working on the marriage then this is something we would bring up in MC, but since we are divorcing then there really isn’t any need to go down that path”

“You never floss”

“I am sorry you feel that way. If we were working on the marriage then this is something we would bring up in MC, but since we are divorcing then there really isn’t any need to go down that path”

If she starts talking divorce-details:

“I want the Ford and the house and the boat and the furniture and the….”

“I am too emotionally attached to this marriage to ensure I am reasonable both regarding my rights and my obligations in divorce. I have asked my attorney Mr. I. Eat. Sharks to front and deal with all aspects of the divorce. Please contact him or have your attorney talk to him with your demands.”

In all cases you don’t respond to her comments. You move on with life as if you were content and happy that at least you have a course. It’s maybe not what you wanted or had planned with this marriage, but it beats being in infidelity.

Finally (in this long-winded post): Don’t hide the affair or the reason you are divorcing. Don’t expect people to take sides or think you will “win” divorce, but don’t hide the real reason you two are divorcing. She will be telling people that you grew apart and whatever… but YOU respond along the lines of

“We are getting divorced because she is having an affair with OM. Like all marriages we had our issues, but I was never given a chance to address any of those issues. She decided to have an affair with OM and that affair is ongoing. While she is in infidelity there is no way we can be married. I refuse to share”.

Stick to a firm, honest and determined course. If she wakes to reality you can reconsider, but while the affair is ongoing your only safe course is to press the divorce issue IMHO. Just remember that 5-10 years from now you want to be able to look back and think you handled yourself with pride and dignity.

"If, therefore, any be unhappy, let him remember that he is unhappy by reason of himself alone." Epictetus

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 LeukemiaDad2017 (original poster member #63924) posted at 8:08 AM on Sunday, July 8th, 2018

Look, I know it's nothing suprising but it still hurts like hell

She was out with him again tonight. Complete with photo evidence. My kids ask where their mom is and I dont know what to tell them. To hell with me...how does she do this to her kids....one of them has cancer for fucks sake.

I haven't said anything cuz frankly it doesn't matter, but damnit it hurts like hell. I can't sleep right now. I can't even cry.

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Bigger ( Attaché #8354) posted at 2:59 PM on Sunday, July 8th, 2018

Have you followed the advice offered?

Have you focused on your own well-being?

Have you looked for support and help from others?

Have you exposed the affair?

Have you researched divorce in your state and the likely outcome?

Have you started detaching?

Have you made your stance clear?

Have you avoided arguments?

"If, therefore, any be unhappy, let him remember that he is unhappy by reason of himself alone." Epictetus

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 LeukemiaDad2017 (original poster member #63924) posted at 8:18 PM on Sunday, July 8th, 2018

Yes, I've done all that but she continues to see him. That's her choice. Divorce will be filed Monday as planned.

My point remains that despite doing all that it still hurts like hell. No one wants to see there wife with someone else... especially when you add in our circumstances. It just plain hurts....

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NoOptTo ( member #62958) posted at 12:58 AM on Monday, July 9th, 2018

This is the reason why you are here. To help deal with the pain. It's a shot sandwich no one should have to deL with. Especially when dealing with a single k child.

Document everything. Her behavior. Her lack of interaction with the children. Her spending. Etc.

The sooner you have her out, the sooner you will be able to heal. Keep calm around her. Do not feed her ego. Keep a VAR on you at all times around her. You do not want her to make any false domestic violence charges you.

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 LeukemiaDad2017 (original poster member #63924) posted at 3:47 AM on Monday, July 9th, 2018

Thank you....it does hurt...I can't even put it into words

Fairly sure I'm with a narc at this point. No wonder there's not empathy/remorse

I hate that this is my life. Cancer was more than enough....that's my boy...

The pain is real...I wish I knew the future, that might make this easier

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Marz ( member #60895) posted at 3:50 AM on Monday, July 9th, 2018

Time and no contact is your only help at this time. An affair trumps everything as you've seen.

Sorry you're going through this.

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JpnHeartBreak ( member #54689) posted at 1:45 PM on Monday, July 9th, 2018

Wow😲... your WW truly is a piece of shit. Your family is going through one of the toughest fights imaginable and she is out whoring it up 😑😡. Please continue to be the rock for your children and get them away from her, she clearly gives no fucks about anything. Sending positive vibes out to your son to kick cancer’s ass. Also, sending positive vibes to you to help you do what needs to be done.

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 LeukemiaDad2017 (original poster member #63924) posted at 2:15 PM on Monday, July 9th, 2018

Hurting again this morning. The pain just doesn't seem to wanna go away. Probably cuz I know she'll get served this week and the probable abuse I will take because of it.

I feel alone, unwanted, unattractive etc....all things we can probably identify with.

I'm struggling with "God". Where is he? No one should have to hurt like this

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Dyokemm ( member #40254) posted at 5:28 PM on Monday, July 9th, 2018

OP,

Sorry to hear you are struggling with feeling this way....many BS do.

But imo time will flip this script.....and I would encourage all BS to try and picture that long term view.

In the future......who is more likely to end up ‘alone, unwanted, and unattractive’?

A BS who stayed loyal to their spouse during a crisis time in their family?

Or a WS who betrayed their spouse and family while their child was struggling against a life threatening disease?

Trust me....

In the years to come, it will not be you who will struggle to find a decent future partner.....a good woman will recognize and appreciate how you stood firm for your kids during an unbelievably stressful time.

How do you imagine a decent man will see your WW?....a woman who ran off fucking around with a POSOM while her own son struggled against cancer, and the rest of her kids and her spouse were dealing with the strain of the situation.

In my opinion, no decent man is going to want to ever get involved with a woman who could do such horrible things.

So.....who is more likely to be feeling ‘alone, unwanted, unattractive’ a few years from now?

Your WW imo.

Try to stay focused on that to get you through this difficult time.

Sending you strength Friend.

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NoOptTo ( member #62958) posted at 5:55 PM on Monday, July 9th, 2018

Couldn't of said thi^^^^^;better myself.

The pain is real that your feeling. Ride it out. Don't fight it or try to hide from it in drugs. Your kids see what your going through. Believe or not, they are more perceptive then we as adults give them. Continue showing them love and strength. Compassion and sympathy. Tell them you love them. Your showing them you care with everything your doing for them.

Its natural to question God. All I can say is shit happens. I have always viewed this as the challenges we go into our lives aka dealing with your child cancer is an opportunity to grow in compassion, empathy, love, and strength. When we feel like all is lost, God gives us the strength to carry on. My favorite poem is FOOT PRINTS. Please Google it and read it. Hopefully it will help you through this dark time.

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Booyah ( member #60124) posted at 12:23 AM on Tuesday, July 10th, 2018

So you're wondering where is God?

All I can do is share what I believe. I am a Christian and the only way to know Jesus is to spend time with him and learning his word (scripture).

I was taught to trust in him no matter what and to walk by faith (not by sight). To cast my cares upon him.

So you spend time me in the classroom and at some point there's going to be a test of what we've learned. Just like in school the teacher doesn't talk during the test.

Even though it may appear to you that he's abandoned you if you truly believe in him and more importantly his promises (one being that he will NEVER FORSAKE you) than you should know that he's right by your side and he will carry you through this storm.

Yes please do read the poem Footprints.

You'll get through this my friend. Keep the faith.

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fareast ( Moderator #61555) posted at 1:55 AM on Tuesday, July 10th, 2018

Sorry you are hurting LD2017. I totally get your pain. But hold your head up. You can look at yourself in the mirror and not turn away in disgust. Please detach from your lying cheating WW. She should be fearing your wrath, not the other way around. Don’t ever stand down from a liar and cheater trying to make you feel less than. You are a faithful H and a great Dad. You know what she is. Stand your ground with your head up for you and your boys.

[This message edited by fareast at 10:36 PM, July 9th (Monday)]

Never bother with things in your rearview mirror. Your best days are on the road in front of you.

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pureheartkit ( member #62345) posted at 3:44 AM on Tuesday, July 10th, 2018

No no no to the unwanted, unattractive thoughts.

So many women would be grateful for a kind, smart, considerate husband. Look at all you have done for your family. And here you are today standing in the face of constant turmoil from WW and the pressures of life yet you don't let it beat you.

It's natural to have sad thoughts come up but please don't take them as truths. They are just thoughts. Your destiny is to be a great dad and have a happy life with your kids. Those that can give love will have love in their life.

[This message edited by pureheartkit at 10:11 PM, July 9th (Monday)]

Thank you everyone for your wisdom and healing.

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 LeukemiaDad2017 (original poster member #63924) posted at 3:58 AM on Tuesday, July 10th, 2018

I'm lacking faith in so many ways. Faith that I'll be ok. Faith that this will be worth it in the long run. Faith that she'll get hers,. Faith that some other man wouldn't want to be with her.

It's mind numbing the number of things I think about that contain their own hurt. It's impossible to clear the mind at times.

Thank you all for such kind replies today. It was a hard one...many more ahead I'm sure

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pureheartkit ( member #62345) posted at 3:58 AM on Tuesday, July 10th, 2018

I'm glad you're still here. We offer our words but I think you know that we truly care about you and want all your pain to be over. I wish she would just remove herself and quit hurting you all the time or at least knock it off until after the divorce.

I like Bigger's thoughts regarding arguments. The lawyers will handle most of it so no need for her to antagonize you about any of that. It's very hard to be in pain and not push back when poked at. You are strong and kind and reasonable. Believe in your virtues and draw strength from them. Even in our deepest pain we can take comfort in knowing we are doing what is right for ourselves and those we love.

Thank you everyone for your wisdom and healing.

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Wool94 ( member #53300) posted at 4:34 AM on Tuesday, July 10th, 2018

I'm struggling with "God". Where is he? No one should have to hurt like this

I wanted to respond, but Booyah said it wonderfully.

I'll just quote what he said.

So you're wondering where is God?

All I can do is share what I believe. I am a Christian and the only way to know Jesus is to spend time with him and learning his word (scripture).

I was taught to trust in him no matter what and to walk by faith (not by sight). To cast my cares upon him.

So you spend time me in the classroom and at some point there's going to be a test of what we've learned. Just like in school the teacher doesn't talk during the test.

Even though it may appear to you that he's abandoned you if you truly believe in him and more importantly his promises (one being that he will NEVER FORSAKE you) than you should know that he's right by your side and he will carry you through this storm.

Yes please do read the poem Footprints.

You'll get through this my friend. Keep the faith.

D-Day #1: April 7, 2016
D-Day #2: May 21, 2016
D-Day #3: June 7, 2016
Me: 1975
Her:WW (amn8r) 1981
Son 2006
Daughter 2009
"God not only loves you, but He actually likes you. "-Stephen Hooks

"My faith is mine now."

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