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Revenge Affairs - advice please on how to handle

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 She-Ra (original poster member #36033) posted at 4:08 PM on Saturday, September 22nd, 2012

still living:

Shortly after DD my WW told me that she would understand if I had a RA, and that if I did, she would stick by me and fight for me. She was not giving me an opportunity to "get even." She was empathizing with me and demonstrating her willingness to do anything. She further explained that an affair only lowers you further. It does not help. I think if she had acted otherwise, including telling me it was a deal breaker for her, I would have selected divorced due to her lack of empathy. Remember that you have run your husband's emotions through a meat grinder. He's trying to figure it out, and stick with you and support you at the same time. He will likely make mistakes as he sorts it out, like you have. The fact that you are talking about this subject and supporting him through it is a big plus

You made some good points there. My explanations of why an RA is a bad idea to BH does not help. He loosened up when I told him it was his decision to make and I can only trust him to make a decision that will be beneficial for our future together. Really the ball is in his court and there is nothing that I can say or do to change that.. Except there is potential for that to be discussed in MC in a few weeks..

Still loving her:

I feel pretty stupid to know that I held the answer the entire time.. I know how to respond to this customer yet I failed to handle it within my own professional boundaries that I already had in place. Unfortunately my wayward mind frame fogged my own judgement and didn't help matters.

I will be stepping up to the plate, thank you for words of encouragement. It's time I wipe off the final wayward grime.. I feel like it will free me of everything that is unhealthy for my marriage and can start fresh. I'm feeling really good about the new views and boundaries that I can enforce.

nuance:

Yeah, an RA would make things worse because besides the added hurt to the M the BS would be conflicted as well. It's like when you move to another country. For a long time you're citizen of nowhere since you miss some stuff but you also like some of the new stuff. But you can't live in both places. And you will always think of something you lost and you can't have it. So you just don't do it. Same reasons for not having an A in the first place.

Excellent analogy! Well put.

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We were mad-hatters. I was a WW first then a BS. Separated May 2017. 2 kids.

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hardlessons ( member #35025) posted at 5:01 PM on Saturday, September 22nd, 2012

I think if she had acted otherwise, including telling me it was a deal breaker for her, I would have selected divorced due to her lack of empathy.

1. Having a boundary that says it is not ok to have an A of any kind, as they are all soul suicide is not a lack of empathy but a healthy boundary.

2. Selecting divorce because you wouldn't have an option for soul suicide shows how hurt you are at that time. But with time under your belt hopefully you realize the horrible place you were at at that time. And have healed to a point were you are glad that didn't happen and realize that was a unhealthy deal breaker. Not a source of pride..

3. It was not a show of empathy, it was a deep sense of shame and a unhealthy willingness to be beaten emotionally. Not healthy, not a sign of a shattered relationship headed in the right direction.

An A is an A, call it what you want, we all, regardless of situation have the right to say no, and do not have to accept that behavior. Quit labling and grading the pain and what you are entitled to and the healing will begin much sooner IMO..

[This message edited by hardlessons at 11:03 AM, September 22nd (Saturday)]

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Lost333 ( member #35182) posted at 5:23 PM on Saturday, September 22nd, 2012

1. Having a boundary that says it is not ok to have an A of any kind, as they are all soul suicide is not a lack of empathy but a healthy boundary.

Very true. And most WS's don't have healthy boundaries so part of getting healthy is setting boundaries-with everyone, including your spouse. In fact, people with boundary issues have the most unhealthy boundaries with those that they are closest to.

Is it healthy to allow your BS to treat you however they want because they are in pain? No. Of course, allowing them to express their pain and being accountable for the pain you caused is necessary-but that doesn't mean the WS should have no boundaries.

For a long time I wanted to have no boundaries with my BH. I felt I deserved whatever he said to me or did because he was in pain and I caused his pain. But that wasn't healthy for either of us.

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Darkness Falls ( member #27879) posted at 5:41 PM on Saturday, September 22nd, 2012

ITA with hardlessons. In the case of a RA, I don't see it as 'having empathy' to encourage or turn a blind eye to the BS having one or considering it. I see it as condoning bad behavior. I see BSs laugh their butts off (and rightly so) when their WS expects that BS to have 'empathy' for why they cheated in the first place...it doesn't fly.

Married -> I cheated -> We divorced -> We remarried -> Had two kids -> Now we’re miserable again

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uncertainone ( member #28108) posted at 6:37 PM on Saturday, September 22nd, 2012

"That is gutwrenching, and he just wants to feel worth it amd important to SOMEONE. It's all about pain relief."

Actually, it's all about dysfunction. That's what affairs are about. Dysfunction clothed in pain relief, validation, stress relief, boredom relief, excitement, rage, anger, resentment.

Feeling "worth it" when it comes from any other source than yourself is wayward thought processes. It's obvious in several of the posts on this thread. "He may feel better after an RA". Yep, he may. Just as a junkie "feels better" after a fix. Damaging yourself to make yourself feel better is insanity.

I posted in wayward about rejection a while ago and the chemicals that are released when one experiences it. They're different than the ones released when you are experiencing the "new car smell" of a new relationship but they're just as strong. Makes sense. Humans needed one another to survive so exiling and rejecting someone, many times, was tantamount to a death sentence. The body "knows" this and reacts when it happens. Just as fear was designed to be a protective trigger so is rejection however, we don't need this anymore. We can function fine without someone else.

Old habits die hard and we don't often do the necessary work while building our personality and character to strengthen our internal boundaries and develop tools to cope when we experience it. It can send us into tailspins and we do all sorts of behaviors that hurt those very things we need to develop. We beg, we bargain, we obsess, we rage, we lash out, we blindly grasp at whatever we can come up with that provides temporary relief.

What we need to do is sit with it and just let it absorb. The flurry of activity to ward off the pain can be used to fortify the internal vulnerable spots against it. That way when the flood comes the levies don't break but redirect the flow until it harmlessly dissipates.

You both need to do this. A desire to hurt those that have hurt us is something most of us, whether wayward or betrayed or both, can understand. Understanding is not the same as condoning or promoting.

It is not hypocritical to think his affair would be a deal breaker. As we learn, heal, grow we change what we will tolerate from ourselves and others. It's a sign of health. It's also healthy to not know how one would react. Guilt isn't a tool for growth so dispatch that right now. If he cheats and you bounce that's a consequence for his action.

I find it interesting that many say well I chose to stay so they better. That, to me, is as far from reconciling as filing for a divorce can be. Staying is merely a description of location. It's the reasons one stays and how they process their healing that makes all the difference. Otherwise it can be a revenge affair all on it's own without the other person. It's the secret thrill "you" get from playing that card, creating the uncertainty and fostering it. Delighting in the subtle, and not so subtle, digs, insults, put downs, guilt inducing toxic reminders that ensure a steady stream of power and validation kibbles. As addictive as crack and just as ugly to the long time users.

Focus inward. You have the power. All BS's and WS's do. We just don't all recognize it or know how to use it yet. You have all you need to handle any eventuality regardless of his choices.

For now, start to work on those internal vulnerable places. Reach out to him often and openly with love, remorse, transparency, consistent healthy choices. If he chooses actions that hurt you respond in ways that strengthen your healing not compromise it even if that means detaching and removing yourself. Release outcomes knowing you've got this, and you do...we all do :)

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Darkness Falls ( member #27879) posted at 6:47 PM on Saturday, September 22nd, 2012

Understanding is not the same as condoning or promoting.

I agree. But a WS saying "I understand why you feel tempted to have a RA" (and truly understanding it) is different than that WS saying, "I would be OK with you having a RA and I wouldn't leave if you did because it's what I deserve after my own A." Not that those statements were said by anybody or anybody's spouse on this thread...that's just the impression I got of the dynamic from some of the posts.

It's also healthy to not know how one would react.

Very true.

[This message edited by heartbroken0903 at 12:48 PM, September 22nd (Saturday)]

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 She-Ra (original poster member #36033) posted at 8:28 PM on Saturday, September 22nd, 2012

Everyone's responses have been very insightful, thank you!!

I have learned a lot and it will assist me in growing as a person along with helping my BH in his healing.

I started my journey on SI as a completely broken depressed, messed up, shaky person fresh out of an A bender. Now that I'm coming out of the dust from the bomb that I set off in my marriage, I am clearly able to see the damage for what it is. My A's were extremely cruel, my BH is suffering from it, even in his own quiet ways, or passive aggresive ways or thoughts of RA's. I have a long ways to go still to pull myself out from the insanity that I created but I truly believe I'm on the right track.

BH and I just got back from the gym. Lets just say he might have had some revenge on me when he put me through the ringer of weight lifting. We hadn't been to the gym actually together in a long time and it's a routine that we both promised to stick to. Plus I think he enjoys watching me suffer through his style of work-outs lol.

...Jerry Springer would like to have his final thought...

"Affairs are horrible and the effects they can have on a marriage can be devastating. People involved in affairs are damaged, unhealthy and in need of serious help. There is no way to grade an affair whether it's done by the original wayward or as a revenge by the betrayed. This is real life, not a game that can be won or lost. I hope that we have all learned by discussing and reading about Messedupchick's affair aftermath with her BH's thoughts of having a revenge affair. We wish them the best of luck and hope they are able to build a healthier and strong marriage, dispite the damage that Messedupchick caused. Have a great day everyone and stay tuned for the next episode".

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Met my new beginning May 2019 just discovered his EA Oct 2020 4 days after we bought a house

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authenticnow ( member #16024) posted at 8:45 PM on Saturday, September 22nd, 2012

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DS, you are forever in my heart. Thank you for sharing your beautiful spirit with me. I will always try to live by the example you have set. I love you and miss you every day and am sorry you had to go so soon, it just doesn't seem fair.

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