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 TheRedBaron (original poster new member #50914) posted at 5:30 AM on Tuesday, December 22nd, 2015

Four weeks ago, I found out that my wife of 10 years, who I have been with for over 12 years, has been cheating on me with a close friend of ours, for almost 9 months.

To say that this has been the most harrowing, gut-wrenching, shattering, soul crushing experience for me since the death of my father 16 years ago would still be an understatement.

Me and her met 12 years ago, she was (and still is) an exceptionally attractive woman, but also a very stand-offish person, who people find hard to approach (but love dearly once they know). So initially when we met, I found that quite alluring, and took it as a challenge to break that hard outer shell. It was a tough ask, but as soon as that ‘shell’ was broken, we found out that we loved each other very very strongly. We went from height to height after that, discovered that we were both absolutely mad about each other, that we had each found our soul-mate, just the person we were looking for. We got married less than two years later.

Over this time, many people, from close friends and family, to colleagues meeting us at dinner or even acquaintances we met rarely; very often and openly commented on how they thought we were the perfect couple, or we seemed ‘Ideal’. Some said they were envious of how fresh and totally into each other we were even after so many years of marriage. And we both knew it, and felt it, we very often talked about how blessed we were and how despite all the usual hardships or ups and down of life, we had this, us, which made everything so easy to bear. Our home was our paradise, the place both of us yearned to be, with each other. Sex life was fantastic, we enjoyed almost everything together in terms of interests, from drinking to watching sports, to cooking, reading, travelling, a deep love for the same music; we had an almost unbelievable amount of common dreams, hobbies and fun. Life was actually perfect, couldn't possibly be better, and to repeat, we both realized it, counted our blessings together very often and cherished every moment of it. We realized and were always extremely thankful for how lucky we were in finding each other. I had found the perfect woman for me and she had found the perfect man for herself.

So, for 12 years, that had become the nexus of my personality. My relationship was the power core of my happy being, my strength, the source of an ‘inner smile’, almost to the point of being a bit cocky. I was supremely content with my life, I felt untouchable. All of this showed in my manners, and I always made very good friends who often told me my happiness was infectious and they loved it.

I am telling you guys all this just to give you an idea of how hard I fell, and how deep it cuts, and even today, nearly four weeks later, how I still find it extremely hard to even believe.

So we met this couple who had just moved in close to us, nearly a year and a half back, through some common friends. We clicked very well from the start, and three of us (the guy, his wife, and me) quickly became very close. My wife, being the harder to reach person took another few months to open up completely, but soon we became a very closely knit group, with strong relationships in all directions for all 4 people. We would be together at least two nights of the weekend without fail, sometimes even as much as even 3-4 times a week. We shared all sorts of common interests, took vacations together and they too, seemed like a perfect couple, very happy, very much into each other. So life had taken another fortunate step forward, we had found some great friends, which added further joy to our lives.

Then, in late November this year, we arranged a camping trip to celebrate the guy’s birthday. We had other people with us, a larger group. late that night when everyone had passed out, including myself, I got up to piss, and saw the two of them having sex on the ground, less than six feet away from my tent. I was shocked, stunned, sweating; I couldn't believe it, I couldn't move, I couldn't shout even though I wanted to. I heard them talk afterwards, as they were so near, and they mentioned about at least three previous times they had done this.

A part of me though was aware of not making a scene there and make this a public matter with so many people around, to keep my shame as private as possible I cannot say how I passed that night, cold, I had this deep sinking feeling in the bottom of stomach, as I did last only when my father died. I obviously couldn't sleep and was so numb I wasn't even angry. I don’t know how I unpacked in the morning and drove back all the way, trying not to look at anyone as I couldn't face the world. Once back, I gave my wife time to speak up. Even though she knows me very well and kept asking what's wrong (due to how I was), I just said that I am tired and didn't sleep well last night; she did not speak up.

Late next evening, having given her nearly a day to come clean, I decided that it was time for me to face the reality. And I decided that I owed it to my good friend, the guy’s wife, to tell her the truth. I thought that was the right thing to do, and that she would be the only one who would understand my my condition at this time. Needless to say it shattered her beyond words and said she wouldn't have believed it if I hadn't said I had seen it myself.

After this I drove back home and confronted my wife. The panic on her face was palpable. To her credit, she did not deny anything, accepted the facts and did not even make excuses.

She told me that it had been going on for 8-9 months during which they had had sex 4 times, and made out one time before that. She went on to tell me that twice it was in our house, while me sleeping in the bedroom, and that the third time (the first time they had sex) was when we all took a vacation together, on the balcony of the suite we were are all sharing, again with his wife and myself in our rooms right next to it. On one of the times in my house, his wife was also passed out on the couch in our living room.

Even after 4 weeks, it is so hard for me to type this, much less believe this. The home, the marriage, the love that was the heart and soul of my existence had been destroyed. Even today, I feel like all that I have left in my life is my job and my material belongings. All my happiness and joy stemmed exclusively from this amazing bond that I was in.

She has been shattered since then, seems extremely repentant and to me demonstrates clearly a full understanding of the what she has done to me. She has often cried hysterically (she has never done that in 12 years, not even near) and when she talks to me she herself says to me exactly how I feel inside.

So her reasons for doing this are what I thought I need to understand first of all. She says that she did it for the thrill and excitement of something new and different, which she hasn't felt in years. She says that she was intoxicated by the fact that someone else wanted her that way other than me, it gave her validation and assurance, especially since she's getting older (she is 37); and that felt really good to be able to see that she can still be attractive to someone. She has told me that they never chatted or texted, it only happened 4 times because it only happened when the opportunity arose, and that they never looked for it or seeked it. That it was purely the thrill of the act not even the sex itself, which was always short and hurried due to the circumstances. I believe a lot of what she’s saying, but then I don’t really know what to believe, and even if these things are true, she still ended up doing what she did. We have talked at lengths about all of it, what it means , why it happened and so on. I know she hates herself for destroying all the good she had for some excitement, but I can see how she senses the huge loss too, have seen her up at night crying and or just sitting in the living room staring at space.

I've been reading books, articles, research papers, journals and forums; on human psychology, researches on the mindsets of people who cheat, surveys, personal experiences of people like you folks here, and their findings etc. I can see the why of it, and the psychological profile of people who become like that due to childhood problems and complexes. But I still did not deserve what came my way.

Two days ago I moved out of the house to give myself time away from all the triggers in the house so I can get a clearer head to think my options. I can not believe that I had to leave my fortress, my sanctuary, my temple, to help me with anything. Its so painful I can not put it in words.

There are only three choices here; 1) I walk away now without trying anything further. 2) I walk away some time from now, having tried and failed 3) rebuild this successfully having tried and succeeded.

Only thing is, I have lost my sense of right and wrong, or to know what's right and wrong. I cannot say what the right thing or the right choice is anymore. I now even don't know what my point was here, but it felt good letting it out.

So if any of you good folks have gotten this far through this, and have any advice for me from your experiences or otherwise, I would be glad and very thankful, will take anything right now, i'm so lost.

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soconfusednow ( member #40078) posted at 7:00 AM on Tuesday, December 22nd, 2015

The best thing you can do right now is good self care. The basics - eat right, stay hydrated, sleep, exercise and limit alcohol. It will make things easier (not to be confused with easy) to deal with.

Keep an open mind as you read here, some of the responses may make you think, not my wife or you may think your situation is special, but you'll begin to notice most A's have common threads. It's almost as if there's a manual the WS(wayward spouses) read and follow as they go into CYA mode.

Your situation is different from mine as you've had to deal with a double betrayal. Hopefully someone will be along shortly with more insight. You might want to check out the Double Betrayal thread under I Can Relate I haven't been in there much, but you might be among people with a similar position there.

D-Day January 2013
prior EA in the 90's
me 50's WH 50's
NC-several, last broken NC 7/2013 (?)
Married 30+ years, 2 kids
Want to believe it's over, but is it really? Will I ever trust again?

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clarity5544 ( member #49820) posted at 7:20 AM on Tuesday, December 22nd, 2015

So sorry that you find yourself here. I completely agree with soconfusednow that self care is number 1. I think moving out of the house and getting some space for yourself to breathe is also a good idea.

As for the reasons why your wife had an affair, she should really get into some individual counseling to figure that out. In fact, I would make IC for her a requirement for any attempt at reconciliation. It sounds like she has other issues (exetremely unapproachable) that need to be processed.

Is your wife still talking to the OM? All communication between them needs to stop. That will be difficult, because it's also a loss for you as well. Not only has your wife betrayed you, but also this man you considered a friend. Allow yourself time and space to mourn both relationships.

I hear that you are reading up on things, trying to find an explanation. What work is your wife doing? Is she also reading, searching out resources, finding articles to share? She should be doing more of the work in this reconciliation process.

Finally, a book that is often recommended is "not just friends" by Shurley Glass. I'm reading it now with my WF, we find it to be helpful and good at provoking conversations.

Good luck, keep posting!

Me -34 BF
Him - 34 WF

Together since: 5/2010
D-day: 8/2015
Major trickle truth: 1/9/16-1/11/16

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nosmilesleft ( member #50744) posted at 8:00 AM on Tuesday, December 22nd, 2015

RedBaron

this level of deceit for me would be impossible to forgive.

they had sex in your home.

told me that they never chatted or texted, it only happened 4 times because it only happened when the opportunity arose, and that they never looked for it or seeked it.

i would wager they purposely got you and the other man's wife to drink too much so you passed out. it was planned, sought out and they looked for it.

it only happened 4 times because it only happened when the opportunity arose,

gathering from what you wrote and surmising they sought out this affair, i doubt this statement is true.

how would they know to meet after everyone in your camp fell asleep if they didn't plan it out? it was discussed, it was planned. i don't believe for one minute that it was spontaneous.

i would go to an attorney, file for divorce and let her have her have her fill of this intoxicating lifestyle.

She says that she did it for the thrill and excitement of something new and different, which she hasn't felt in years. She says that she was intoxicated by the fact that someone else wanted her that way other than me, it gave her validation and assurance, especially since she's getting older (she is 37); and that felt really good to be able to see that she can still be attractive to someone.

once divorced you can work on yourself, your self esteem, and find new friends you can trust.

after you two divorce if you decide to give your relationship another chance you can start dating again.

on a side note: i've never seen any good coming from excessive alcohol use. i've never seen any good coming from having "friends" that close in your relationship. sharing hotel rooms? never. the husband and wife getting pass out drunk around another couple? never. but that's just me. you and others here may feel different.

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wk55hn ( member #44159) posted at 8:19 AM on Tuesday, December 22nd, 2015

Cheaters don't tell the truth very frequently, almost never, when found out.

You keep posting about both you and her were on the same page, both soul mates, etc. I'm sorry to hear you believed this, but it's not true. Soul mates don't lie for 9 months, if it really was 9 months.

The first thing you need is to get the truth. Look at the phone logs, the emails. How often, when it started, what times of day and night. Ask your wife to write down a timeline. First time they crossed the boundary by flirting. The first time she knew she was ready for sex. First time they held hands, kissed, etc. How she was able to say this was OK.

Think about this - she had sex while you were next room away, in public where anyone could have peed in the middle of the night, was with her 3-4 times a week, but only had sex 4 times in 9 months. Bullshit on that. Sorry, but that does not make sense. So the first thing you need is the truth, ask her to polygraph and go through with it.

Call other man's wife and ask for discrepancy from other man.

The first thing you need is the truth which almost definitely you do not have now.

Has she cheated on with anyone else before this? You need to know.

STD tests yet for her?

What types of gifts did the other man give her? What gifts did she give for him? Cards?

Every time the four of you were together, she and he must have been making eyes at each of them, winking them for worse of a better word.

Hysterically and crying are meaningless at this point. ACTIONS matter. What has she done so far besides cried?

Get the timeline from her, tell her you will want her to polygraph, see what other lies fall out.

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wk55hn ( member #44159) posted at 8:29 AM on Tuesday, December 22nd, 2015

Be patient. This shit hurts and it will continue to hurt and there ain't no one can make this better but time.

Do what is best for you to feel better. Separating from her is fine. Is she still contacting other man? I suspect she does, I suspect there was much more involved than you have been told. You haven't posted much, I could be wrong, but you were completely wrong about her, you must accept that I may know as much about cheaters and their behavior as much as you know about her not being who she thought she was. Have an open mind about who she is and who she have been, at least in the past year or two. You must admit that she has been living in a complete different life for the past year than you have.

This is something that takes its time around for a long time. Not a few weeks. Maybe not a few months. Give yourself six months, but in the meantime get the truth.

For what it's worth, from what I've observed is that the affair itself does not kill the marriage, but the lies afterwards does. Tell your wife that.

You overheard her having three other times, coincidentally, she confessed to three other times. There is no coincidence in affairs. It is a lie.

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nosmilesleft ( member #50744) posted at 8:49 AM on Tuesday, December 22nd, 2015

RedBaron

you can even take it a step further. have her pack a suitcase and take her to the other man's house. drop her off and tell her, "he will take care of you from now on."

then drive home. let this fantasy melt away. force her to see the affair for what it is. force her to see her "intoxicating lover" for what he is.

seriously seek out a lawyer and get divorce papers drawn up.

do not drink alcohol or do drugs. it won't help you one bit.

good luck

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AlphaBeta ( member #45382) posted at 8:52 AM on Tuesday, December 22nd, 2015

I'm sorry you're here RedBaron. But it's good you found this website. First, I assume you have no children? You didn't mention any in your post. For me, that is a major starting point in determining potential reconciliation going forward.

I would think that discovering your WS' PA by actually seeing them have sex would be the most difficult betrayal to come back from. Some such occurrences conclude with violence. It is good that you went into the "frozen" or "numb" state. That's obviously better for everyone in the moment.

Your entire world has been shattered. You most likely doubt everything about your 12 year relationship. If you don't, you should. That is healthy and reasonable skepticism at this point. Moreover, you're probably feeling like the entire world is a different place. Everything was wonderful and predictable. Now you may not be able to trust your own judgment as to any particular event which is transpiring in your day to day life. With time you will regain balance as to the world at large.

As for your WW, however, it is possible you will never regain that balance. She has shown you who she really is. Do not fall into the trap of believing this was a "mistake." She knew what she was risking and made calculated decisions to betray you in the worst possible way. You are the only one who can decide whether such betrayal, disloyalty, unfaithfulness, and deceit is redeemable.

This goes back, however, to my original question about whether you have children. In my opinion, I cannot imagine any set of circumstances where I would have stayed with my WW if we didn't have young children. A divorce in that situation can potentially affect multiple generations. So I finally decided that I would attempt reconciliation, for my kids and my descendants, if my WW immediately got out of infidelity and showed no signs of future infidelity.

If there are no children, however, then you don't have their welfare and your children's children welfare to be concerned about. In that case, you must believe that you are a good man, strong, resilient, and that you will get through this without your wife if you choose to divorce. You will work on yourself and you will come out of this an even better man. You have what it takes to get this disloyalty out of your life and get some peace of mind.

Finally, for each opinion you receive, do the best you can to learn the perspective of the opiner. Remember that I'm only 14 months out from D-day, and I'm still untrusting, somewhat bitter, and still bewildered that my WW is essentially a split personality (loving wife and mother, hard working and kind, outwardly a great friend and partner to me on the one hand, and deceitful, betrayer, disloyal, and my enemy through her actions on the other hand). There are many others who are farther removed from their D-Days who may have different insights. Read them all and take what works for you and leave the rest.

Wishing you strength and peace.

BH Me, 47 yo maleWW, 45 yo femaleMarried 17 yrsTogether 19 yrsDD, 16 yoDS, 14 yoD-Days and TT: 10-22-14 thru 11-7-14WW 2 PA's with 2 different OM's, 2012 & 2014; Separating

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nosmilesleft ( member #50744) posted at 9:03 AM on Tuesday, December 22nd, 2015

if i walked up and saw my wife getting railed by another man i'd flip my lid. i'd go all hulk rage if it was with a "friend."

this wasn't a one night stand. it was a 9 month (can we trust this?) affair. it was a full blown relationship. they had unrestricted access to each other's home, cars, and the unwavering trust of their spouses.

run from this toxic situation and find yourself again.

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ImGoneByTheDown ( member #49935) posted at 9:50 AM on Tuesday, December 22nd, 2015

Hi TheRedBaron

First of all, I'm sorry you here. I just want to state it is good that you seek help and advice, but remember that no matter what advice you'll hear here ultimately it's only you that know and can take decision for yourself. Although I have a very firm stance on it, I will not tell you to whether reconcile or divorce. I just want you to make your decision after you considered the hard facts and truth and understand the true nature of the issue you deal here with. Understanding this whatever you chose it will be from a great help to you and minimize the dangers and risk you may encounter on your path. So, here are a few of them:

She says that she did it for the thrill and excitement of something new and different, which she hasn't felt in years.

This show how selfish, entitled and immoral your wife is. Wouldn't she be that she would seek her thrills, excitement and variation by investing half of her energies in you instead of neglecting you! Your wife has zero of morals, respect and consideration for you, did she had some, she would be not willing to sacrifice it on the altar of her most hedonistic and selfish impulses. Her unwillingness to invest in in you but to misuse it against you shows also how entitled your wife is. Being able to meet all of her thrill, excitement and variation in the marriage, but still seeking it outside, show she never wanted to do it with you, she just waited for the first opportunity to arise and used it against you. You had no chance to give her those thrill, excitement and variation but for her you weren't a part of it. In her entitled mind it was preserved for other men.

Moreover, let's say now for example that someone loves blood. It's texture and smelling. It hardens in interesting ways and has an interesting quality as the carrier of life in us all. It has different colors, and creates different splatter patterns - it's fascinating. Now, let's go one step further. That person is actually not short on blood to satisfy his interest in it – he can work as a scientist, he can work as a doctor, he can even go as far as working in a slaughterhouse and butcher, he can donate it and go to a blood bank, draw blood from volunteer, none of them in a destructive harming way. And then one day, he can decide it's not enough, he don't have enough excitement, thrill and variety. He needs some new blood. So, he then goes and kills all the house animals in the neighborhood, then he becomes serial killer and so on! And there are the mentally sick that find that bathing in human blood is so exhilarating, so spiritual, so incredibly satisfying, that they keep doing it over and over again. Then there are all the types of cults who worship death.

So, that person would state that many might be calling him a psychopathic serial killer, people are so judgmental, they so think in black and white terms and they are morally so rigid. Yet, all he can tell you is that bathing in human blood was FUCKING INCREDIBLE. It was FUCKING SO EXCITING, THRILLING AND NEW. Does that make sense? She didn't cheat because the sex was either incredible or not, because she got or either didn't get some imaginary feelings she couldn't find in the marriage ( a hint: she could find even deeper and more satisfying ones if she wasn't so hedonistic) or because she had or hadn't the validation. The sex, the feelings and validation was simply a component of her affair, yes. But why she had her affair first hand is in her thinking, it is a derivative of her mindset, narrative and lack of morals, and this starts WAAAYYYYY before it even GOT to the sex and the EXCUSE of VALIDATION and those IMAGINARY FEELINGS. WAAAAAYYYYYY before that! Her mindset, her narrative, her moral, it is actually one of the only and few things she CAN CONTROL FOR SURE. If someone tells you otherwise, go back to this example. Very easy, no need to complicate it!

She says that she was intoxicated by the fact that someone else wanted her that way other than me, it gave her validation and assurance, especially since she's getting older (she is 37); and that felt really good to be able to see that she can still be attractive to someone.

Bullshit, given your words above a person getting all the validation at home but seeking more outside is a selfish and entitled narcissist who doesn't need any validation but constant ego kibbles (from someone else) . Being that narcissist, she was not somehow magically intoxicated by something but cultivated it for a long time. Cheating is not some force major but a very deep seated attitude resting on the cheater's mental stream as well as the cheater's mind that is excused by a very subtle narrative and an extremely sophisticated phraseology like the one you present us here. Unless she changes the whole mindset and this narrative it will sit as a potential seed on her mental stream and she will always be prompt to cheat despite of her mental and verbal shenanigans

She has told me that they never chatted or texted, it only happened 4 times because it only happened when the opportunity arose, and that they never looked for it or seeked it.

Maybe it happened or not, maybe she tells the truth or not, yet this is simply irrelevant (see above)

That it was purely the thrill of the act not even the sex itself, which was always short and hurried due to the circumstances.

See also above. She holds you for a fool. Cut it short and stop this immediately. It happened because she wanted this to happens, it was not a matter of circumstances but her very mindset and attitude to life and because she's a hedonist and narcissist that is willing to step over bodies, endanger other's people mental well-being and this for nothing than her most primitive impulses and desires. If this was purely the thrill of the act, not the alleged love to the other man so ask her what is that thrill of the act in regard and concerning the other man that gave those feeling. A small hint: it was the feeling of control, power and mind games she subjected both of you through this and thus the feelings and kibbles of domination gained through this mind games which also shows and opening your eyes as to your wife's abusive nature. Think deeply about it before making any decisions.

I know she hates herself for destroying all the good she had for some excitement, but I can see how she senses the huge loss too, have seen her up at night crying and or just sitting in the living room staring at space.

Of course, as with all cheaters now that she's lost the game, she mourns and hates herself, not because of you but because of the loss of perks and entitlement, which are quite big from your description, she's deprived herself from acting like a decent person towards you. Don't fall for the cheater's crocodile tears as they have nothing to do with you but only and only with them. As all abusers they always do it yet unless they've changed their mindset and narrative, they always prompt to cheat, to hit and to abuse again once an opportunity presents itself even if it'll take some more decades to wait. Not hating herself for hurting you but for losing her perks is mere self-centerdness and entitlement and as said the loss she mourns is the loss of the perks and entitlements and not YOUR LOSS and the damage done to you. The latter is remorse (which still is not enough) and the former is entitlement. Be aware and careful about it; it's very important.

[This message edited by ImGoneByTheDown at 12:16 PM, December 22nd (Tuesday)]

ME: BH
Her: Remorseful STBXWW

And there I'll sit, and I'll admit
That I was only just a guest inside my skin
And by the dawn, I'll be gone
And I won't be holding on to anything again -
I'm just letting go

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TIMETOREACT ( member #48009) posted at 9:52 AM on Tuesday, December 22nd, 2015

i ALSO CAUGHT MY ALMOST EXWW red handed, but i almost killed the OM if i wasnt held back.....

Also my almost exWW was destroyed for what she had done, but i garantee you that the REAL reason was because i caught her red handed....

She knows that there is no R. and that alone is even worst for her....

I already knew what my option's were, but since you are still on a fence, i can only suggest that you need to heal first on your own... it's like a periode of mourning for a death of a dear person.

It takes time....

During this periode you need to detach from her (WW)and dont even think about MC or R. for the moment. Maybe some IC could help.

Glad to know that the other spouse knows.

Also consult a laywer to see your options for D.

me BH: 47
stbxw: 41
caught her red handed.....
D15, S8
D. is my only cure

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nononsense ( member #45598) posted at 10:23 AM on Tuesday, December 22nd, 2015

Red Baron,

Nothing to add except DO THE POLYGRAPH.

4-5 times in 9 months is bull shit and the chances that you have the truth are miniscule.

YOU'LL SEE HOW SHATTERED SHE IS WHEN YOU SEE THE LOOK ON HER FACE WHEN YOU SAY THE WORD "POLYGRAPH". And do not listen to anythin g she tells you when you tell her she is taking it. They almost always will give you some more information so that you will stop it.

Some very smart folks have given you some excellent advice already, I suggest you take it no matter how painful.

You most likely only have the tip of the iceberg here I am sorry to say. You need to know whatever you decide it is done with the facts and the truth.

BH - 50 (me)
WW- 48 (her)
M- 27 years
3 daughters- 26, 24, 21
DDay1 7/5/2014 (PA- 2 different OM)
DDay2 11/28/2014- setting up another meeting new OM
5/1/2015- Looks like we are making it.
8/3/2015- Reconciled but watchful
11/10/2015- We made it

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trynhard ( member #22698) posted at 10:25 AM on Tuesday, December 22nd, 2015

The home, the marriage, the love that was the heart and soul of my existence had been destroyed.

You can view this as only temporary feelings.. You write like you are a strong man and you are making good conclusions.

IMO.. You moved out of YOUR castle.. Go back home.

My relationship was the power core of my happy being, my strength, the source of an ‘inner smile’, almost to the point of being a bit cocky.

I understand this.. But a new attitude can now be formed... That is..

"My W can join me in my happy life.. Join me.. and if she chooses not to, then her choice not mine..." your new cockiness.

You are facing a given in life right now that you cannot change. People are not always loving or loyal. Most people face this in life at some point.

Do you have children? Something to consider.

This is going to sting for awhile, no matter what you decide... as you move through your grief. I admire you greatly for reading... a sign of a quality man is one who is willing to change & understand.. for the better. Please be strength in adversity.. a choice.. to execute to the best of your ability.

I think your W's reason is valid for having an A. Sex is very powerful and not everyone is capable of controlling emotions, especially when a POS man pursues. Your wife was chasing some feeling... that of course feels so good.. But the consequences are about as hurtful as any trauma in life. A human flaw.. in many people. Based on your writing, I have confidence in your ability to be wise..

The thoughts you face today.. over and over.. will eventually change. Our brains just go through this to heal.. to a point to accept.

Things to consider.. Do you think knowing more is going to make you feel better? I honestly don't. You saw what you saw... What positives can come from knowing more? Understand that thoughts come before feelings. How you behave will dictate your feelings. You gave your W a chance to confess.. maybe it is all, maybe not. That falls on her conscience.. up to her to clean her mind...

IMO, I do think you should go get tested for STD. Make sure your W knows this too.

Go get help.. go get a councilor for awhile.

[This message edited by trynhard at 5:09 AM, December 22nd (Tuesday)]

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nononsense ( member #45598) posted at 10:41 AM on Tuesday, December 22nd, 2015

Shattered,

I believe, although it is hard to believe, that you have just been told by someone that your wife was perfectly justified in having affair because sex is powerful and not everyone can resist being pursued by OM.

THAT HAS TO BE ONE OF THE STUPIDEST THINGS I HAVE READ HERE WRITTEN TO SOMEONE WHO IS HURTING LIKE YOU ARE.

By that moronic logic, it is fine for your spouse to fuck anyone that it is exciting with because sex is powerful.

I hope you just ignore that and listen to the other ten or twelve folks who are trying to help you. I doubt if you will see any other comments telling you she was perfectly justified if having an affair.

Still in disbelief anyone would say that to someone hurting like you are. If you need to go to your physician and get some meds for temporary calming so you can think straight.

And keep posting here. I know you will continue to get good advice.

[This message edited by nononsense at 4:47 AM, December 22nd (Tuesday)]

BH - 50 (me)
WW- 48 (her)
M- 27 years
3 daughters- 26, 24, 21
DDay1 7/5/2014 (PA- 2 different OM)
DDay2 11/28/2014- setting up another meeting new OM
5/1/2015- Looks like we are making it.
8/3/2015- Reconciled but watchful
11/10/2015- We made it

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TIMETOREACT ( member #48009) posted at 10:46 AM on Tuesday, December 22nd, 2015

I think your W's reason is valid for having an A. Sex is very powerful and not everyone is capable of controlling emotions, especially when a POS man pursues. Your wife was chasing some feeling... that of course feels so good.. But the consequences are about as hurtful as any trauma in life. A human flaw.. in many people. Based on your writing, I have confidence in your ability to be wise..

The thoughts you face today.. over and over.. will eventually change. Our brains just go through this to heal.. to a point to accept.

Things to consider.. Do you think knowing more is going to make you feel better? I honestly don't. You saw what you saw... What positives can come from knowing more? Understand that thoughts come before feelings. How you behave will dictate your feelings.

I will be more clear nononsence

I personaly thik that the above statment is BS

(BULLSHIT)

[This message edited by TIMETOREACT at 4:48 AM, December 22nd (Tuesday)]

me BH: 47
stbxw: 41
caught her red handed.....
D15, S8
D. is my only cure

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trynhard ( member #22698) posted at 10:48 AM on Tuesday, December 22nd, 2015

nononsense.. There are reasons behind everything. You cannot control what others do.

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trynhard ( member #22698) posted at 11:00 AM on Tuesday, December 22nd, 2015

TheRedBaron... your peace will come...

If you cannot understand the reason your W made her choice nor want to understand it.. then IMO please go and D right now... and not try.

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ImGoneByTheDown ( member #49935) posted at 11:23 AM on Tuesday, December 22nd, 2015

I think your W's reason is valid for having an A. Sex is very powerful and not everyone is capable of controlling emotions, especially when a POS man pursues. Your wife was chasing some feeling... that of course feels so good.. But the consequences are about as hurtful as any trauma in life. A human flaw.. in many people. Based on your writing, I have confidence in your ability to be wise..

The thoughts you face today.. over and over.. will eventually change. Our brains just go through this to heal.. to a point to accept.

Things to consider.. Do you think knowing more is going to make you feel better? I honestly don't. You saw what you saw... What positives can come from knowing more? Understand that thoughts come before feelings. How you behave will dictate your feelings.

I will be more clear nononsence

I personaly thik that the above statment is BS

(BULLSHIT)

TheRedBaron, I'll be clearer than timetoreact and nonsense, everyone has the deep awareness of what's right and wrong and wisdom or the ability to cultivate them so only those who lack it or excuse their unwillingness to do so can't control themselves. There is nothing that one can't control and the only reason why people don't control anything is because they're ignorant, entitled in their thinking that evil brings happiness and good brings misery so they don't want and chose not to do anything. The idea that one can't control him/herself and this is a valid reason for affairs is a moral sewage. The vast majority of people who don't cheat, up to some 80% shows as timetoreact nailed it that the above statement is mere bullshit and ignorance. This is exactly what I described in my example above and disconnected from reality both as described in my first post to you as well as here. But the way, sex is the easiest thing to control, avoiding wrong speech and chasing money is much harder. The transgression following those two are much higher in their extent than those with infidelity. By the way, if she can't control those "powerful" issues, then run away because she'll never be able. Dump her in this case like a hot potato because she's "right in having her affair"; you'll be more right in protecting yourself and once again never fall in that gas lighting and blame shifting. A wise person with integrity, coping skills and morals has none of these problems. This would be the law of cause and effect and the reason behind of it.

[This message edited by ImGoneByTheDown at 6:04 AM, December 22nd (Tuesday)]

ME: BH
Her: Remorseful STBXWW

And there I'll sit, and I'll admit
That I was only just a guest inside my skin
And by the dawn, I'll be gone
And I won't be holding on to anything again -
I'm just letting go

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ImGoneByTheDown ( member #49935) posted at 11:32 AM on Tuesday, December 22nd, 2015

If you cannot understand the reason your W made her choice nor want to understand it

It's none of your business to understand her reasons although it's very clear; it's only her business to understand it if she wants to beoome a decent person.

.. then IMO please go and D right now...

Whether you divorce has less to do with you doing her job in understanding her reasons and fixing herself but more in seeing that she understand the reasons and fixes herself. Dependes on that and many other reasons because remorse and getting it is not enough, you having the understanding of everything here will help you in managing the risks and deciding if reconciliation is worth or not. Your wisdom and understanding is important only as such not in excusing her despicable behavior; in regard to that there is nothing to understand

and not try.

See above and always remember that asking you to do the above things is blame shifting, gas lighting and false equivalency. Never accept it. Given my example above, are we ever asked in regard to murderers or other criminals to understand, accept them and do their work. Of course no and be always suspicious when you're asked to do so in other cases of abuse

By the way, there is another one:

that falls on her conscience.. up to her to clean her mind..

.

No, she's proven to have no conscience so your protection falls on your shoulders and having the truth is the first step in achieving this successfully.

[This message edited by ImGoneByTheDown at 6:08 AM, December 22nd (Tuesday)]

ME: BH
Her: Remorseful STBXWW

And there I'll sit, and I'll admit
That I was only just a guest inside my skin
And by the dawn, I'll be gone
And I won't be holding on to anything again -
I'm just letting go

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HobbesTheTiger ( member #41477) posted at 11:34 AM on Tuesday, December 22nd, 2015

Hi. I'm sorry you're faced with this, but it's great you found this site. You'll get lots of advice here, mostly good, take what you want and ignore the rest. The advice you've received thus far is very good.

Having said that, here's some of my advice&questions:

1. Set up individual counselling for yourself IMMEDIATELY! You need professional help in dealing with this level of betrayal&shock. Find someone with experience in infidelity and/or PTSD. That was paramount in bearing the pain and healing myself.

2. Go see your doctor about STD testing. Be aware that if you have sex with her, you risk getting an STD and/or getting her pregnant.

3. Confide in your friends&family about this. You need and deserve their support. Have you told any of them yet of her cheating?

4. Make sure you eat, sleep and exercise as much as possible. If you're having trouble, talk to your doctor or a pharmacist. DO NOT DRINK ALCOHOL. It's way too easy to spiral out of control. I stopped myself quite close to becoming an alcoholic in the aftermath of it all.

5. Go to the "I can relate" subforum here and check out the "Betrayed menz" thread on the first page. Read and post there.

6. If you are giving her yet another chance, she needs to go to IC at least for a month before you two even consider MC together. I recommend YOU find a good IC for HER, one that you will know has a no-nonsense approach to infidelity (knows that cheating is 100% cheater's fault,...) and go to her first session with her to make sure the counsellor knows all about the cheating. Only after that should you try MC with her. Also, google "How to help your spouse heal from your affair linda macdonald pdf", it's a great book available online for free that might help you two tremendously. Read it on your own at first. I think it's important that you also tell her that as a condition for you to attempt to reconcile with her is for her to write you a detailed timeline of the affair(s). Upon telling her, notify her you'll want her to undertake a polygraph test afterwards to ascertain you have the full truth.

Most of all, keep talking to us, the more you talk to us, the more we can help you and support you!

Best wishes

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