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 BusterMcBust (original poster member #58756) posted at 4:29 PM on Thursday, June 8th, 2017

I mentioned that I wouldn't discuss exposing the affair to OBS on public forum. But let's assume that there has been a contact between me and OBS followed by nothing. One could think that this would be preferred outcome? Or...OBS wouldn't have confronted OM yet. OBS may never confront OM if that's what she would choose to do.

Right now I don't want to ask my wife for anything. She gets to come up with her own action plan herself. If I keep asking, and she keeps complying to my requests, I think it's still me driving this whole thing.

Going beyond that, have you considered taking time to write down all of the things that are making the process hard for you, and then talking through them with your wife. Obviously, that does not 'fix' them immediately, some things may always hurt, but if you can communicate with your wife the things that you are struggling with, it can give her some ideas about what you need and what she can do to help you heal. We want our waywards to make an effort and do effective stuff, but as annoyed as we may be with them, we have to be fair and acknowledge that they are not mind readers. Sometimes we say we need this, or we need that, but we don't explain why. If you actually explain the things that keep you awake at night, or make you feel like you want to punch the wall, it should give your wife more idea about what she can do to try and help.

I have my book where I write stuff down and do use the notes when I have talked to her. I have been very specific on what I would like her to do and why I think I would want her to do something. I think I need to stop this and see if she can come up with anything meaningful on her own.

And I don't punch holes in the walls. When I want to punch something, I punch the walls in my garage, they're plywood and I am not strong enough to punch any holes in those

Not sure if I should even tell her that I love her in texts or face to face. OM told her many times that he loved her and I feel robbed of my ability to say that same to her.

[This message edited by BusterMcBust at 10:41 AM, June 8th (Thursday)]

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Absurdist ( new member #51468) posted at 5:23 PM on Thursday, June 8th, 2017

BMac - you are only one month out my friend. You will swing from shock to hurt to anger to feeling loving back to sadness to anger ad infinitum ad nauseum. It's a long process and you've just now got to the starting blocks.

You would think your WW would know instinctively what to do. I promise you she doesn't. She doesn't know jack shit what to do. It's a process for her as well and she's as much in the dark as you are. Hell, she doesn't even know where the stadium is much less how to join your team and play the game.

Everything I've ever seen or read says it takes six months to let all the emotions die down before you begin to make a decision to D or R, and some longer than that. I can sense that you're in an anger phase right now. Do not make a decision about anything while you are angry.

I suggest you seek out posters LifeIsCrazy or Walloped. They are much further down the road and give good advice. Their situations and WWs are much like yours.

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Sharkman ( member #56818) posted at 6:40 PM on Thursday, June 8th, 2017

And I don't punch holes in the walls. When I want to punch something, I punch the walls in my garage, they're plywood and I am not strong enough to punch any holes in those

Not sure if I should even tell her that I love her in texts or face to face. OM told her many times that he loved her and I feel robbed of my ability to say that same to her.

Maybe you simply fell out of love with her. Sometime's Occam's Razor solutions really do hold the answer.

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 BusterMcBust (original poster member #58756) posted at 7:01 PM on Thursday, June 8th, 2017

Maybe you simply fell out of love with her. Sometime's Occam's Razor solutions really do hold the answer.

Maybe. It just doesn't feel like that.

And I'm definitely in anger stage, or the pain has transformed to anger.

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Sharkman ( member #56818) posted at 7:31 PM on Thursday, June 8th, 2017

This is a good place to exercise the 180. You've gone through weeks of emotional abuse and pain. By backing off through detachment you'll start to find your legs, so to say.

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Stevesn ( member #58312) posted at 7:42 PM on Thursday, June 8th, 2017

Buster

Seems like she could use help in formulating her approach to becoming a safe partner. I know IC was not of use to you, but maybe it would help her deliver to you what you need.

I am not sure without it she can work through why she did what she did, what type of person she wants to become and what being safe means and how she can achieve it.

fBBF. Just before proposing, broke it off after her 2nd confirmed PA in 2 yrs. 9 mo later I met the wonderful woman I have spent the next 30 years with.

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 BusterMcBust (original poster member #58756) posted at 7:43 PM on Thursday, June 8th, 2017

That's why I was thinking about 180. I don't want D right now, but I think 180 would help to convince myself to go down that path. Other approaches seem to "promote" R and might make me blind to other option.

Interesting thing is that OM was pressuring my wife to exercise 180 to detach herself from me. My wife refused to do that.

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Marriagesucks ( member #46828) posted at 7:51 PM on Thursday, June 8th, 2017

When I want to punch something, I punch the walls in my garage

Wood and concrete are't good on the knuckles. There are much better and less costly ways to get the same effect.

Oh anger... Let me tell you about my experience with anger. I recently read where the brain throws emotions around like at super speed. Rational thought is much much slower. When my wife and I get in a fight... my very first response is anger. By me knowing this, it has helped me tremendously (that and a 'prescribed happy pill'. Of course your mileage may vary. Also lots of excersize helps. I mean the kind that wears you out bad enough to fall asleep as soon as your head hits the pillow.

The greatest trick the Devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist.

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Sharkman ( member #56818) posted at 8:16 PM on Thursday, June 8th, 2017

180 will not push you towards R or D, though admittedly it may break some co-dependence habits that tend to nudge towards R.

180 is basically a way to say "ok brain, I'm going to stop engaging in this behavior to give you some time to sort shit out".

You really need this. With all due respect you seem very emotional and all over the place. You don't want to be basing these types of decisions on emotions, so it's really the most "fair" path that you can take for either of you.

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DarkHoleHeart ( member #58272) posted at 9:16 PM on Thursday, June 8th, 2017

Hm, I basically read only your posts in this thread, so maybe I missed something.

It looks like your wife is doing all the right things right from the start (and looking at your first posts it looks like she did it herself). I wish mine did.

It looks like you still love her. And it looks like you leaning towards D. I don't get it.

@DDay#1:
Me: BS, 40; Her: WW, 32
M: 10y, in relationship 15y, 3DD (8,8,6)
Dday#1: Oct, 2016, Dday#2: Jun, 2017
AP#1: COW PA, AP#2: EA/PA 3 months, AP#3: COW PA
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M1965 ( member #57009) posted at 9:19 PM on Thursday, June 8th, 2017

“That's why I was thinking about 180. I don't want D right now, but I think 180 would help to convince myself to go down that path. Other approaches seem to "promote" R and might make me blind to other option.”

Buster, I get the impression that because of your feelings of anger, you may be considering hitting your wife with D because you feel like she deserves it, or as some kind of punishment, while in your heart, you don’t actually want it for yourself. It’s like you want her to have some kind of ‘big’ consequence for what she did, to have her world turned upside down like yours was, but at the same time you don’t actively want to end the relationship. I can understand that, the aftermath of discovery is a time of hugely conflicting emotions and ideas. The thing is, unless things end immediately after discovery, then both D and R can be possibilities for months afterwards. You will not be blind to the option of D; it is always there for you. The point is whether you take it because you really want to finish with your wife and you see no future for the relationship, or whether you want to use it because you feel hurt, let down, or like you need a way to strike back.

As others have said, you are still very close to discovery, and it is really too soon to be able to make a ‘big’ decision yet, whether it will be to R, or D. And I don’t say that for your wife’s benefit, I say it for yours. Whatever decision you eventually make, it should be made with a calm head, after much thought, and you should be utterly settled and at peace with it within yourself. At the moment, you are suffering the emotional turmoil that everyone goes through, so the ‘peace’ needed to make a truly considered decision does not exist yet. So please don’t rush into a decision too quickly. Give it time, and daily life will start to stabilise again.

“Interesting thing is that OM was pressuring my wife to exercise 180 to detach herself from me. My wife refused to do that.”

It sounds like your wife never detached from you or the marriage in her mind, she instead established a second, lesser relationship that she thought she could run alongside the marriage. I know that sounds mad, and it is certainly stupidly selfish, but there seem to be countless waywards who think that there was a wall separating their two relationships, and that their ‘affair’ was in no way damaging or detrimental to their main relationship. It sounds like that POSOM thought he could run off with your wife, but that was clearly not what the affair was about for her, and he thought he was more important to her than he really was. All it was for her was a second, and secondary, relationship, full of ego kibbles perhaps, but not intended to be anything more meaningful than that. And like so many waywards, she has discovered that when the two relationships collide, what may have been a meaningless secondary relationship that was not intended to go anywhere can do huge harm to the main, important relationship. The wayward views the affair one way, the betrayed spouse sees it very differently. That can lead to a situation where the wayward hopes the betrayed spouse will come to understand that the affair had no depth or meaning, that it was just selfish ‘cake-eating’ that is now regretted, while the betrayed spouse wants the wayward to ‘wake up’ and see the affair the way they do, as a missile fired at the heart of a marriage, and moreover, a missile fired at someone who did nothing to deserve it. That difference in expectations can create a situation where waywards think all they have to do is express regret, and keep saying that it meant nothing, and the betrayed spouse feels like the wayward is making nothing like the effort they require, and have no understanding of their feelings.

It sounds to me like that may be where you are at the moment, but the situation can be improved, in time, with better communication that will help your wife understand what the affair meant to you, which is probably very different to what it meant to her (which is a damn sight less than it meant to you). That communication can only happen when you feel more settled. If you try and discuss such emotive things when you feel angry, it is bound to go off the rails and end in venting that improves nothing at all.

Give it time, Buster. Unless your wife is an idiot, and she does not sound like one, she can be brought round to understand the impact that the affair had on you, how it affected you, and why. And once she understands that, she can start doing the things that you need to heal.

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 BusterMcBust (original poster member #58756) posted at 9:23 PM on Thursday, June 8th, 2017

I am emotionally all over the place.

I've read and re-read the 180 write-up and am still struggling to figure out how to do it. I don't think I will be able to exercise 180 if I sleep in the same bed with her. Our house is not large enough to allow much physical separation and I think I would need physical separation to exercise any type of 180. So this leads me to finding an apartment and doing a harder version of 180. I think I know myself well enough that I'm out once I walk out the door, and that decision scares the shit out of me right now.

I've tried to exercise, but all I can muster up are push-ups and pull-ups...something that last less than 1 minute. Tried my go to sport of mountain biking and the thoughts that flooded my brain were bad ones. I used to be a professional athlete for few years and now I have hard time riding my bike around the block. Infidelity fucks you up I say.

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Sharkman ( member #56818) posted at 9:31 PM on Thursday, June 8th, 2017

Then have her sleep on the couch for a few weeks. I mean, let's face it, this is all her damn fault.

And in terms of working out join a crossfit gym. Crossfit may not be for everyone but if you have an instructor in your face it makes it a lot less likely you'll whimper through the workouts. Healthy body healthy brain.

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 BusterMcBust (original poster member #58756) posted at 9:45 PM on Thursday, June 8th, 2017

M1965 & DarkHoleHeart I think running away, or running back to my own little bubble with my own little routines, is my easy way out. I don't know if my bubble still exists, but in a way the idea appears attractive.

M1965 Based on the emails I have read, there was nothing secondary or lesser in the affair. Maybe she didn't plan to leave me as she saw no future "regular life" with the OM, but then again she said that she didn't know what would come out of the affair relationship (as an explanation how things escalated). I don't think I'm the love of her life and that is a big problem for me.

And in terms of working out join a crossfit gym. Crossfit may not be for everyone but if you have an instructor in your face it makes it a lot less likely you'll whimper through the workouts. Healthy body healthy brain.

I'm a member of a gym already. Haven't gone since end of April (or maybe it was mid-April), but I think I need to find something that is mentally challenging to keep my thoughts under control.

[This message edited by BusterMcBust at 3:50 PM, June 8th (Thursday)]

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M1965 ( member #57009) posted at 10:36 PM on Thursday, June 8th, 2017

Buster,

Based on the emails I have read, there was nothing secondary or lesser in the affair. Maybe she didn't plan to leave me as she saw no future "regular life" with the OM, but then again she said that she didn't know what would come out of the affair relationship (as an explanation how things escalated).

In the early stages of your thread, your wife said it was done purely because it was 'exciting'. I am sure the emails were horrible to read, but but they may just have been another part of the 'excitement'. Stuff said for the sake of saying it, in the drug-like fog that people seem to go into when they are involved in affairs. The point is, whatever nonsense they were spouting at each other, your wife would not distance herself from you when the OM wanted her to, and she did not want, and does not want, to end the marriage. So as hurtful as what she did is, she said that she had been happy with you for years, and she chose you over the OM. I think she was a fool to embark on an affair when she was happy in the marriage, but it is one of the insane and perverse facts of infidelity that people in happy marriages, with people they love, can still cheat.

Her statement about not knowing where the affair was going can be interpreted a few ways. The most negative, I guess, would be that she let it escalate because she thought it might become an exit affair. Or, she may have meant that she let things escalate because she did not think it was going anywhere meaningful. Almost, "I let it escalate because I didn't realise what letting it escalate might mean". In this case, it seems like the OM thought it might be an exit affair, while your wife did not see it that way. From reading a lot of threads here, it seems like a lot of waywards embark on affairs without any real thought of where they are going, or how they may end. It's like getting on a train because you think it's fun, without stopping to wonder where you will end up. If waywards did stop to consider that the train ride could end in a wreck, I think there would be a lot less cheating, but many of them seem to blot out reality when they board the train.

I don't think I'm the love of her life and that is a big problem for me.

I think this is something you have to discuss with her, at length. You keep a journal of your thoughts, so why not write down the central issue of you feeling like you aren't special in her mind, and write down all of the issues related to it that bother you. And go through them with her. I am not saying that discussing these things will make everything wonderful again, but not discussing them will create an atmosphere where you may bottle things up until you snap and just leave.

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denorock ( member #58661) posted at 8:37 AM on Friday, June 9th, 2017

You sound like you are in a similar situation as I am! Listen to M1965 he's making sense to me about my situation and yours my WGF was the same as your WW it's hard because you want to see a difference in her like me but they never changed how they were with us in the first place, still hurts like fuck tho! Good luck buster

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DarkHoleHeart ( member #58272) posted at 9:22 AM on Friday, June 9th, 2017

M1965, my thoughts exactly.

Minor point - I think that most WS realize that it might end in train wreck. Unfortunately, they don't realize what train wreck is...

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Dday#1: Oct, 2016, Dday#2: Jun, 2017
AP#1: COW PA, AP#2: EA/PA 3 months, AP#3: COW PA
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Lodestar ( member #58558) posted at 11:26 AM on Friday, June 9th, 2017

Buster - why are you considering the 180? What do you hope to achieve? Is it to punish her? To make her see how serious this is to you? To give yourself some space? For what? To do what? To avoid dealing with her on a daily basis? To avoid seeing her? To not let her doing/not doing things influence your decision? To test her? To try how things would be if you went for D? To regain some self-esteem and self-respect?

How do you think the 180 will help you?

Me - BW (37)
Him - WH (40)
Married for 6 years, together for 13
DDs - 4 & 6 years old

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 BusterMcBust (original poster member #58756) posted at 2:50 PM on Friday, June 9th, 2017

I think my primary "goal" with 180 would be to get some space for myself without her affecting my thinking. I am trying to consider all options and coming home to hugs, kisses and I love yous, and cuddling yourself to sleep tends to steer me one way.

M1965 Very good points and much appreciated.

EDIT: Last night I was also questioning my career choices as I work long days at best and really long days plus weekends at worst with travel on top. This has been the case for the entire time we have been married. She has never brought this up as an issue, and me working on my career has allowed us a mortgage free house, modest but mortgage free, very nice family vacations and all the financial benefits. If we go down R path, I might want to review my career plan to free up some time to spend with my family. It's been "weird" in a good way to walk the kids to before school program at 7:30 AM and be home before 6 PM.

[This message edited by BusterMcBust at 9:16 AM, June 9th (Friday)]

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Sanibelredfish ( member #56748) posted at 3:13 PM on Friday, June 9th, 2017

Buster, I don't think I've posted on your thread yet. So, I'd like to start by saying that I'm sorry you find yourself here. I wish that weren't the case.

Your most recent post makes a lot of sense to me. While she may be affectionate and doing the right things, I understand how that might feel a bit manipulative to you at this point. Frankly, it does seem a little like "love bombing" to me. Some time away from her to get your head together and gain clarity on how you feel about yourself, her, and the M would be a very good thing. I don't think the time away has to be strict NC (I.e., no reason to not check in once or twice a day), but some physical distance might help you start healing.

Maybe you can take a trip somewhere for a week (or two) and do what you want. Do you have a buddy or sibling that might be willing to join you? I'm kind of thinking of Walloped's story and his trip to AZ (I think). It seemed to do him a ton of good.

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