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I ruined everything. Is there a way back?

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 Allmyfault1 (original poster member #59106) posted at 1:40 PM on Thursday, June 8th, 2017

This is my first post here. I have a lot of information to give, but I will try to keep it as short as possible and have everything make sense. Please bear with me as I try to get this all out.

My husband and I have been together since 2003, we were married in 2010. There were many bumps along the road but we finally made it. I thought all of our problems would be behind us. most of the issues we have had in the past were with my problems being honest, and his temper. When questioned about something my first automatic response it *always* to say what I think you want to hear, regardless of truth. I know this is an issue and I have tried for years to get better about it. We split up many times over my lies, and somehow, we always got back together.

I will not make excuses, or try to give reason for the things I did, and the things I said I did. I am an idiot. I ruined my family, our lives – for nothing. There is no excuse for that, I have no defense. The facts are this; about 2 years ago I started talking to other men online. Some were old friends, 1 was an old boyfriend that I had been asked to never speak to again, some were just people I met online. In August of last year I was talking via text to a random person that I met that was local to the town I live in. He worked at a store that I frequented and we had talked and simply were friendly, perhaps flirting just a little here and there. He asked for my phone number and for some stupid reason I gave it. We texted back and forth that day and that day only. A few days later my husband found part of the messages. For the most part, they had been deleted.

This started a roller coaster of him asking questions about what else I had been doing, who I had been talking to etc as you can imagine. I knew that I was wrong for talking to the other men. There were no “I love you’s”, no naughty pictures, no plans for the “future”, or sex talk for the most part. Flirting yes; over the line; yes. I can look back on it now and see that it was probably worse that I thought. Maybe one would be what would be considered an emotional affair, though I didnt think of it at that at the time. It was bad enough that I didn’t want him to know about it. Especially the one ex-boyfriend. So, to try and answer his questions without letting everything come out I lied. Over the course of the next several months we had these huge fights that would last literally all night long with him screaming at me asking what else I had done, telling me he knew there was more. I said nothing, and he kept pushing and yelling and I told him things that didn’t happen. I told him I sent picture to people over social media. I said that I had physical contact with people that I didn’t (like completely innocent co-workers). I said that I met and had a physical affair with other men. The list is long, and continued to get worse.

To show that I was sincere I quit my job (it required travel, and I had lied about the 1 person from work), I changed my phone number and only gave it to family and approved friends, I gave him total access to the phone whenever he wants, no locks, no passwords. I deleted every email account I had and created 1 new email that we both have access to. For a while I was turning on Skype every morning before I left home for work so that he could see and hear everything I did during the day, but that had to stop because my job didn’t like it. I call and text and tell him everywhere I am. I WANT to prove myself.

Through all of this he remained at home after many threats to leave, packing and going then coming back. Through it all I continued to say I knew it was all my fault and I was sorry and I just wanted to make it better. There was (and still is) a lot of name calling, and some physical stuff, some pretty bad. All of which I deserve for the things I have done. I don’t blame him for anything, his anger is justified and I am willing to take it. Friends and family got involved. They were all told the same story that I gave him, the problem was now the stories were getting all mixed up and nothing made sense, so I kept having to change things to make the pieces fit.

As my evidence, I showed phone logs of conversations, not the actual text but calls and messages that came and went, and I contacted the one ex-boyfriend via email and requested that he lie for me. I told him that I had told my husband we had sex one time, and asked that he please go along with that story even though it never happened. I wish to god now he had told me no. But he didn’t, he did what I asked. When my husband called him, he lied for me.

I thought that if I said enough eventually he would stop asking. Everyone kept telling me that if I just said everything that we could get past it and we would be better again, so I kept talking. Kept saying more and more.

Eventually he asked me to tell him it was all a lie. He said that he could not take any of it anymore and I was over the moon. I finally had a way out. I could finally tell the truth and everything would be ok. Except it didn’t work that way. After that day, a few times after he asked more detail questions, and instead of saying “it didn’t happen” when he asked I just spit out an answer.

Now we are at this point. He believes I am nothing but a lying, cheating w#@%^ who does not love him, and has never loved him. Every day he tells me how terrible I am and how much he hates and despises me. Every day I try to say I love you and I want to make it better and he tells me that’s BS. If I try to be intimate with him he says no, if I push he relents but makes it seems as if he is not into it. If I don’t try, then I am getting it somewhere else. He has requested some…. extreme things from me. A lot of them I have done to do to prove myself. Some I cannot bring myself to go through with.

He tells me the only thing I can ever do to prove myself is give him the email that was sent to the ex. The email was sent from my old work computer, which I cannot access and has been wiped and probably reissued to someone else. The email account has been deleted for at least 6 months. I have contacted google and they cannot help me get the email back. They say it’s just gone. I attempted to get text transcripts from the old phone number form our carrier and they said it cannot be done either. The phone itself was smashed during an argument. In the process of trying to put it back together it was broken even worse so I can’t use a recovery program on it. I don’t know what to do.

Some days I feel like everything has just gone to far and there is no hope, but then I know I am not ready to give up. I screwed up. I talked to the other people because I felt I was missing a connection at home. I was too afraid to talk to my husband about it and looked for that connection outside my marriage. My fault. I was afraid for him to know what I had done, so I tried to hide it. I lied, made up stories, and ruined our family. All my fault and now don’t know what to do. I love my husband. Even though we were not perfect before, I should have never done what I did, and said what I said. He is angry with me, says he hates me, and I deserve that. I deserve everything he can throw at me and more. I know how horrible of a person I am, and that I don’t deserve a chance to fix things – but I cant seem to walk away.

So, after all of that I guess I am here, looking for other stories and advise. I’m wondering if anyone else is like me. How long does the anger last? How long before it goes too far?

No one ever gets tired of loving. They just get tired of waiting, assuming, hearing lies, saying sorry, and hurting.

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wordsofwisdom ( member #54083) posted at 4:51 PM on Thursday, June 8th, 2017

Allmy, I honestly think that the most healthy thing for you to do is to admit that this relationship does not work, break it and spend some time alone, reading and educating yourself, traveling, expanding your life experience, and getting more intellectually mature and emotionally intelligent. It does not go anywhere, and it's too intoxicated to produces something good. I honestly think it will better for both of you to stay apart.

One day discovered my wife chasing her old sweetheart. Wished her good luck and moved on to better things and people.
Divorced: Jan 2010

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 Allmyfault1 (original poster member #59106) posted at 5:02 PM on Thursday, June 8th, 2017

Thank you so much for your reply.

I don't want to go, I don't want him to go, but if that is what it takes to make him happy then that's what I have to do.

I fully understand my actions, and that there are consequences. I had just hoped that maybe things could be pieced back together.

No one ever gets tired of loving. They just get tired of waiting, assuming, hearing lies, saying sorry, and hurting.

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wordsofwisdom ( member #54083) posted at 5:09 PM on Thursday, June 8th, 2017

All, may I kindly ask what do you value most in this relationship? I don't mean your imaginary relationship, but your real life, full of drama and self-victimization on both ends. And what is your biggest fear to break it? You don't want to be alone? You don't want to admit it does not lead you anywhere? Do you have a hard time letting ti go after all the efforts you have invested? Or are you afraid of being alone and abandoned?

I suggested you break up not to make him happy, but to make both of you sane. I know how it feels. Your attention is hyperfocused on "him" while you largely ignore your own feelings.

[This message edited by wordsofwisdom at 11:12 AM, June 8th (Thursday)]

One day discovered my wife chasing her old sweetheart. Wished her good luck and moved on to better things and people.
Divorced: Jan 2010

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TearDownTheWall ( member #57835) posted at 5:18 PM on Thursday, June 8th, 2017

You need to ask him point blank if he even wants to be married to you anymore. It will take both of you a lot of work to reconcile and you both have to want to. If he does, he needs to realize that he can't treat you that way. You each have a lot of work to do.

Me: 39 MH
BW: 37 MH
DDay: 8/28/16

First, you have to fix yourself!

R is going very well, much better than I could have ever asked for, which shows how amazing she is as a person.

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 Allmyfault1 (original poster member #59106) posted at 5:24 PM on Thursday, June 8th, 2017

what do you value most in this relationship?

I am not 100% sure I understand your question, but I will answer as best I can.

Why I want to stay, why I want to save my marriage - I love him with every fiber of my being. He makes me the best version of myself. He brings (when things are not the way they are now) light and laughter and hope into my world. He makes me question myself and pushes me. He is my rock and my support.

He can be angry and harsh at times. He can be hard to deal with and stubborn, but even in that I can see now that it comes from a place of caring.

My biggest fear of leaving - I don't know. I know that I am capable of living alone. I work, I can support myself. We have 3 children, but they are old enough to understand what is going on and can manage themselves for the most part. Maybe its fear of being alone? Maybe I don't want to fail? I really don't know. My biggest fear is losing him.

You mentioned "self-victimization". I re-read my post and can see where it seems I might be playing the victim of something but that is not how I meant to come across at all. The only thing I am a victim of is a situation of my own making.

And yes you are right, my focus is on him. He is what matters, and my kids. They are the only things that matter.

No one ever gets tired of loving. They just get tired of waiting, assuming, hearing lies, saying sorry, and hurting.

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wordsofwisdom ( member #54083) posted at 5:33 PM on Thursday, June 8th, 2017

Oh, I was not aware of the kids. And I'm sorry if I sound rude. From what and how you write about him, I think you will benefit by reading about codependency. Just google this word, read about it, because this addressing this codependency may help you become a better person – for yourself, for your kids, and for your husband.

[This message edited by wordsofwisdom at 11:33 AM, June 8th (Thursday)]

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Divorced: Jan 2010

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Sanibelredfish ( member #56748) posted at 5:33 PM on Thursday, June 8th, 2017

I think there are several issues you need to address, but the one holding you back the most is your compulsion to lie and have others lie for you. The weirdness with asking a former BF to lie and say he had sex with you is downright bizarre (how could that have possibly helped you), and frankly I'm more than a little skeptical about the actual truth in this situation.

I could not consider R with someone I do not believe or trust. So, just stop lying, period. Once you begin being truthful you can start building a foundation, but you will fail miserably (as you have been) until you do so. If you want to give yourself any chance at this Stop. Lying. Now.

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 Allmyfault1 (original poster member #59106) posted at 5:36 PM on Thursday, June 8th, 2017

Wordsofwisdom - I don't believe you sound rude at all. I thank you for your insight. I actually expected more rudeness, much more.

I will look it up.

No one ever gets tired of loving. They just get tired of waiting, assuming, hearing lies, saying sorry, and hurting.

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wordsofwisdom ( member #54083) posted at 5:40 PM on Thursday, June 8th, 2017

But I echo Sanibelredfish: I find your story inconsistent, especially the part about asking your former boyfriend to say you had sex with him. Are you ready to confirm this story by passing a lie detector test?

[This message edited by wordsofwisdom at 11:41 AM, June 8th (Thursday)]

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Divorced: Jan 2010

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StillLivin ( member #40229) posted at 5:45 PM on Thursday, June 8th, 2017

No stop sign so I can respond as a BS. If you aren't in therapy, get in therapy so you can find out and process why you did all of this. Two, offer to take a polygraph so he can at least have a baseline of what really happened and a timeline of events. Three, if he is the one getting physical with you, call the police. You deserve to be divorced not man handled. Quit telling yourself you deserve it, nobody does. If you are getting physical with him, stop. Walk away and take a time out if you feel your rage coming on. Getting physical solves nothing and actually makes things much worse.

If this is truly a deal breaker for him, you may have to accept that and not get in the way of him divorcing you. Be fair in D negotations, asset distribution, child support, etc.

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 Allmyfault1 (original poster member #59106) posted at 5:46 PM on Thursday, June 8th, 2017

the one holding you back the most is your compulsion to lie and have others lie for you. The weirdness with asking a former BF to lie and say he had sex with you is downright bizarre

That has always been an issue, I know it and he knows it. I could blame it on something, but I wont try to explain it away. It is a flaw, a huge one.

As to how asking him to lie for me could have helped? I doubt it will make sense but I was being pushed and pushed and being told you tell me everything now or else, you have 30 seconds to tell - I kept saying there is nothing else and I wasn't believed so I eventually spit out the worst think I could think of. Then I panicked. I had lied and I didn't know how to take it back. I didn't know how to unring that bell. Everyone kept telling me just say everything, get it out and we will fix it - So I thought if I could get him to go along with the story then my H would believe it, stop searching and we could put things together again.

I am trying very hard not to lie to him. Everyday its mentioned and everyday now I say it was a lie. He doesn't believe me, but I wont lie again. I have thought about it. I have thought about saying it was all true, telling him what he believes and seeing where the chips fall but I don't want to lie anymore. Its hard for me. Its something I have dealt with for years. It takes a conscious effort on my part to tell the truth when questioned about anything at all.

Something as simple as "Did you put gas in the car?" if it is asked in a manner that seems angry will make me ask myself 1000 questions. Why is he asking? Was I not supposed to? Did I go to the wrong place? Did I spend to much money? Did I forget something? --And my first reaction is to say what I think you want to hear. Whatever answer will make you happy and not mad anymore. I know its wrong, but I am trying to work on it.

No one ever gets tired of loving. They just get tired of waiting, assuming, hearing lies, saying sorry, and hurting.

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 Allmyfault1 (original poster member #59106) posted at 5:49 PM on Thursday, June 8th, 2017

I have offered to take a lie detector test. The response was someone who is as pathological as I am could pass it even if they were lying. It would be waste of time and money for me to take a test he wouldn't believe.

No one ever gets tired of loving. They just get tired of waiting, assuming, hearing lies, saying sorry, and hurting.

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 Allmyfault1 (original poster member #59106) posted at 5:53 PM on Thursday, June 8th, 2017

quote] If you aren't in therapy, get in therapy so you can find out and process why you did all of this. Two, offer to take a polygraph so he can at least have a baseline of what really happened and a timeline of events. Three, if he is the one getting physical with you, call the police.[[/quote]

Because I quit my job in February because of all of this I don't have the insurance or income to support therapy. I wish I did.

I offered a polygraph. He didn't want it.

I would never call the police on him. Emotions run high, and things happen. Its not in his nature to be that person normally.

No one ever gets tired of loving. They just get tired of waiting, assuming, hearing lies, saying sorry, and hurting.

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Sanibelredfish ( member #56748) posted at 6:12 PM on Thursday, June 8th, 2017

AMF1, your explanation makes some sense, but really frames your problem. The short term fix (getting people off your back in the moment) undercuts your long term goal of rebuilding your M. Your short term fix makes everything worse for all involved.

Again though, I question how much of a short term fix it was if you had to coordinate the lie with your xBF. Some effort went into this deception, so it seems you would have had time to stop and think about it and explain why you told your H what he wanted to hear before looping in the xBF. H could have then called the xBF and received an independent means of confirming whether or not the sex was the lie or the false admission was the lie. Do you see where I'm going here?

Anyway, good luck to you. I hope this works out as well as possible for all concerned parties.

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Darkness Falls ( member #27879) posted at 7:40 PM on Thursday, June 8th, 2017

I think you're making a huge mistake to excuse his abuse by saying "emotions run high and things happen" or "it comes from a place of caring." Nobody is saying your actions weren't wrong but enduring physical abuse is not the answer, and it's setting a terrible example for your children.

Married -> I cheated -> We divorced -> We remarried -> Had two kids -> Now we’re miserable again

Staying together for the kids

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 Allmyfault1 (original poster member #59106) posted at 7:47 PM on Thursday, June 8th, 2017

Sanibelredfish - I do understand what you are saying. I guess the only thing I can say is I wasn't thinking clearly. I wish I could take it back - I wish that my H could believe me when I say something. But right now he cant, and I understand why.

Darkness - Your probably right. Maybe I am making excuses for him but the physical has only been a few times, and I truly feel he regretted it later. I honestly feel that I deserve any amount of "punishment" (for lack of a better word) that he deems necessary. Maybe if I pay enough, endure enough, stay through it all long enough he will see that I do want to be there and I am truly sorry for my actions.

No one ever gets tired of loving. They just get tired of waiting, assuming, hearing lies, saying sorry, and hurting.

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idontknow123 ( member #56300) posted at 11:38 PM on Thursday, June 8th, 2017

Wow!

Some thoughts of mine, but first, you have received a lot of good advice on addressing your lying and needing IC. So, as soon as you can or you and your H can, this is urgent.

Your lying to solve the immediate problem has made it so that your H cannot determine truth from fiction. He's so confused, he's locked. If he was a computer, you'd simply "hard reset" him by pulling the plug and rebooting again.

You need to reset both you and him in this life with the truth as a foundation, as it should be in any good M and especially R to a good M.

IMO, that's got to come first. Normally, here they would say work on yourself, let go the outcome, support his healing but don't do it, and see if he comes around. This time, I will dare on this board to offer something a little different.

1. Write out a timeline with details of what, when, how and where, with all data you have

2. Organise a poly and take him. If he wont go take his best friend or someone in your family whom he trusts to witness. One of the four questions should provide absolute clarity on the old boyfriend and that email. The examiner will know best.

3. Present him this evidence two times. First alone. Then with whomever close knows and whom you have lied to. I.e. come clean to all with the absolute truth and all evidence available. This will likely be humiliating as hell, but do it.

Reset your life with truth, and in doing so, you will lose some friends, but also gain trust. You will also perhaps create a group of people who can hold you accountable as you go through the journey -- with or without your H -- of becoming a better you through IC and hopefully eventually MC.

Oh, and your H should not be physical with you like that. Everyone has boundaries and needs respect. If he's regretful he will understand the need. Find him a pastor or some council on this if need be. I think it fair you demand that.

Go well -- IDK

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W: Her (46)
DS1 = 14, DS2 = 10
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wk55hn ( member #44159) posted at 1:08 AM on Friday, June 9th, 2017

If your husband discovered that you didn't have sex, would he take you back then?

Would it be any better?

What would be the difference?

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 Allmyfault1 (original poster member #59106) posted at 1:16 PM on Friday, June 9th, 2017

IDontKnow - That is all very good advice. Thank you very much. I had mentioned a poly a few times but he threw it off each time as something he thought was a waste of time. They are pretty pricey in my area, so I didn't want to spend the money if it would not be interested in the results. But maybe I should just do it and provide him the results and see what he says then.

wk55 - I honestly don't know at this point. A few weeks ago I would have said probably. Back around the first of the year I would have said absolutely, but now I don't know. I can tell a difference in his attitude now that I didn't see before, like he really just does not care anymore, but is hanging on for some reason. That's the only this that gives me hope is that he is not gone yet.

No one ever gets tired of loving. They just get tired of waiting, assuming, hearing lies, saying sorry, and hurting.

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