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 ruinedmylove (original poster member #59756) posted at 5:49 PM on Friday, August 25th, 2017

My A started after only knowing AP for 2 1/2 days. It turned sexual immediately. We had 3 physical encounters, and since he lived in another state, I flew to him for the last encounter. We sent countless emails, pictures, videos etc.

I know that I did not love him. I was attracted to him, felt a spark, but not love. But then the A continued for 17 months, through him getting caught, twice, and through my BH confronting me 6 months before AP went NC with me. I didn't end it. I thought about it. But I didn't.

BH insists that no one does what I did just for a 'like.' That there HAS to be more to it. But there wasn't. At least, not more to my feelings toward AP.

The truth of the matter is that I had been unhappy - with myself, my life, my BH (so I thought) and I didn't feel like I was good enough, loved or cared for or important, so when a stranger showed interest in me, I liked the feeling. It felt good to feel desirable to someone other than H again, after 3 kids. It felt good for someone to want just me, not anything from me...well, he wanted pictures and sexting, but not anything that a real adult relationship contains. I keep saying that the A was a distraction for me. I did not love him. I did love the way he made me feel.

The rest of the truth is that maybe I felt like there SHOULD have been something more to the A, deeper feelings, but I knew there wasn't. I KNEW that what I was doing was wrong, that it was the one thing that would hurt BH the most, that it very likely was a deal-breaker for him. I think now that I may have been sabotaging our relationship.

So where do we go from there?

I want nothing more than to show my BH that I know how wrong I was, how much I care for him and how much I love him. I am working to be more transparent, a better person for him, our children and for myself. He has such anger. He is so hurt. He says I am not doing the work. That I have not changed. I am doing my best to be patient and to show him that I am. But I have to be honest - it is wearing me down. The cruel words, the threats. I love this man. But if it truly is a deal-breaker, then I don't want to prolong his pain and suffering. I keep telling him I don't know what to do. I don't know what to say. Everything I say pisses him off. I feel like I'm hitting my head on a brick wall. But if we can get past this in once piece, he is worth it.

I think I got a bit off topic there, but I needed to get all that out.

Me WW (39)
My Love BH (42) TexasHunter41
4 sweet boys (11,7,6, and 2.5 months)
A: 5/2015 - 9/2016
3 occurences of physical contact, 17 months of Email/Text/Pictures
DDay 10/26/16
Desperately seeking to better myself despite my depravity, and

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ff4152 ( member #55404) posted at 6:33 PM on Friday, August 25th, 2017

I remember saying to my AP that I loved her. I remember writing in my first post on SI that I loved my AP. It certainly felt that way at the time. Over the many months since the A ended, I saw that it wasn't really love. Infatuation, lust, who knows? But love, no.

I am certain that I do love my wife. I understand where you are coming from about your love for your spouse. Despite my actions previously, I feel more love for her now than ever before. It really gives me such incentive to keep moving forward, trying to be the best husband/father/person that I can be.

I see that you're almost 9 months out from DDay. I would urge you to stay strong; I can imagine how hard that is dealing with your pain as well as his. It may be a deal breaker but then again, it may not. Continue to show your BH through your actions that you are worthy of another chance.

Good luck to you.

[This message edited by ff4152 at 12:33 PM, August 25th (Friday)]

Me -FWS

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hikingout ( member #59504) posted at 7:10 PM on Friday, August 25th, 2017

I am only a few months out so maybe I will change my perspective eventually, but yes I did. Still do. Doesn't mean I will act on it or do anything about it, but it's not something that goes away that fast. I think whether there was love or there wasn't, there are side effects of all of it. Noone wins. You feel bad because you didn't and can't explain why you let it go on. I feel bad because I did and can't explain why I let it go on. You feel guilt that you didn't, I feel guilt that I did/do. There are similarities to all the stories which is why this forum is so powerful. It's destructive behavior. For some of us a one time lesson, for others it will take multiple times if at all. I wouldn't worry about whether you did or didn't, I would concentrate on what was missing from yourself that you needed it to continue. That is the question all waywards have to figure out for themselves. I am still learning about what mine is because it's complicated and never one thing or another. Get yourself in IC as soon as you can if you haven't already. Read, educate, and try to work towards forgiving yourself because I think that is key to having others forgive you as well. That doesn't mean forget the behavior or not deal with consequences of behavior, but to heal this you have to love yourself and you can't if you are still holding such grievences against yourself.

WS and BS - Reconciled

Mine 2017
His 2020

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Root ( member #58596) posted at 9:21 PM on Friday, August 25th, 2017

It's only been a year. It took me at least 3 before I got IT. Character deficiencies take years to see and years to fix.

On the concept of love the only person I loved was me.

[This message edited by Root at 3:22 PM, August 25th (Friday)]

Get busy living or get busy dying.

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gonnabegr8 ( member #46415) posted at 12:09 AM on Saturday, August 26th, 2017

Root - can you talk more about GETTING IT - and how you did, what that means, and how it made things different?


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gonnabegr8 ( member #46415) posted at 12:10 AM on Saturday, August 26th, 2017

OP - I rather agree a year out is a little soon to determine direction esp w three littles and a current pregnancy - that just sounds like a lot to process with the overlay of an affair.

Are you essentially wondering if you had an exit affair that went awry?


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Darkness Falls ( member #27879) posted at 12:27 AM on Saturday, August 26th, 2017

Yes, I did. I had known, dated, and loved him before the A; the fact that we ended up having an A didn't change those feelings.

Married -> I cheated -> We divorced -> We remarried -> Had two kids -> Now we’re miserable again

Staying together for the kids

D-day 2010

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DaddyDom ( member #56960) posted at 12:58 AM on Saturday, August 26th, 2017

I felt like there SHOULD have been something more to the A, deeper feelings, but I knew there wasn't. I KNEW that what I was doing was wrong, that it was the one thing that would hurt BH the most, that it very likely was a deal-breaker for him. I think now that I may have been sabotaging our relationship.

^^ This. During the affair, we write love notes, make plans to be together, share affection and intimacy, and act like ass-hat teens living out their first crush in general. The affair becomes a feel-good drug, and we throw ourselves into the role, "playing house" in a way, and living a fantasy. But it is not love, and despite the show being put on, it never feels like love. But WS's are masters of their own bullshit, and more it fails, the more we throw ourselves into it, hoping to get the "high" back.

I look back in horror and disgust at the things I did and said and felt during the affair. It is hard to describe the mindset. You know what you are doing is wrong. At the same time, you can't seem to stop. You try to convince yourself that you are in love because if you aren't in love, if your marriage isn't really the horrible thing you've made it out to be in your mind, then that means that YOU are a horrible person doing a horrible thing. And that's too much reality and too much pain for a selfish, wayward mind to accept. In my case, the AP was not attractive, she smelled badly, she had no money, no ambition and no goals, was needy and childish, a user, no class, someone I never would have dated when I was single. But there I was trying to convince both her and myself that there was love and desire. Because otherwise, it meant I was a POS.

I was a POS. A lying POS who tore my loving, faithful wife apart at the seams, and my family too.

And that's the bottom line, right? As a WS, our selfishness takes over, and empathy goes out the window. There is only ourselves, our needs, what we feel. Most of the time I didn't even really like the AP, but then I found myself calling her anyway, because I was feeling shitty and awful inside, and incredibly needy of "a fix", which she supplied by putting me on a pedestal and making me feel as if I had some value and integrity, when deep inside, I knew the truth. I felt worthless and unlovable, and being a cheater only amplified those feelings of self-loathing. It is a deadly cycle, and a self-perpetuating one. You feel like shit, so you use the AP to make you feel better, which only makes you feel more like shit... and round and round it goes. It is like any addiction. No one enjoys being an alcoholic for example. It makes you physically sick, desperate, ruins your relationships and career, it may even kill you... but you still chase it down as if it were your greatest love and lifeline, because it distracts you from the fact you have black hole in your soul that cannot be filled. You convince yourself that it is everyone else's fault that you drink, they are awful, not you. It's never you.

That is exactly what the A felt like. I kept chasing after something that made me feel like shit, and trying to convince myself that the opposite was true. The love letters, the time spent together, all part of the world's biggest con-job, with me being my own patsy. It was clear to everyone but me. I convinced myself it was my wife's fault, that she was mean and didn't appreciate me. That somehow this would make me happy. That my family would be better off without me. And truth be told, there was a part of me that wanted to get caught. Because I felt so horrible and ugly inside. I had been told all my young life that I was worthless and unwanted and a horrible person for wanting to be happy and protected. That was my "normal". Having fallen into a clinical depression shortly before the affair began, all those old memories and feelings came flooding back, and then here I was... fulfilling the prophecy, becoming the abuser. I was being that horrible person I was doomed to be. I couldn't see it at the time, but inside I felt that I deserved to be punished, not loved. I deserved to be hated, not forgiven. I deserved to be alone and scared, not loved and cared about. Losing my wife and my family, and ending up with this drudge of a human being (the AP) seemed like a fitting end for me, back to "normal", what I deserved and had always deserved. It was all about me... I had not one drop of compassion for my wife or kids because I was too self absorbed. I truly was a POS and maybe I was right... having lost all compassion, maybe I did deserve to live like a POS. My family deserved better. They still do.

(Sorry, I've gotten much more emotional than I had planned to. This is hitting home for me and exposing some strong feelings.)

I want nothing more than to show my BH that I know how wrong I was, how much I care for him and how much I love him. I am working to be more transparent, a better person for him, our children and for myself. He has such anger. He is so hurt.

Yeah, he is hurt. The same as my wife is, she suffers every moment of every day over this, it is always on her mind. She is no longer safe in her own home, in her own marriage. Everything was stolen from her and tossed out. Recovering from that is not going to be an easy road, and this was never what she wanted or deserved.

Same as me and all WS's, you lied to him. You betrayed him. You were the one who was supposed to have his back and yet you were the one who stabbed him in the back. The day may come where he can forgive, but he will never forget. His world has changed. He can no longer trust anyone the way he once did. Chances are he both loves you and hates you at the same time.

But you said something important... you said you need to "show him" how you feel. And that's the thing. Since he can no longer trust what you say or even how you feel, all he has to go on now is what you do. So fight for him. Yes, he might be angry, he may tell you that you aren't trying, so try harder. Put him before yourself. It may be wearing you down, but understand that it is 100x worse for him than for you, that he has no choice in whether to be worn down or not, and that he did not ask for this. It was thrust upon him and it is his reality. The way you help is by figuring out what inside of you allowed this to happen, acknowledging it, and taking steps to fix it. During the A you put him last in all things. In order to mend you must put him first. Become a safer person, both for yourself and him. Hang in there and don't give up, okay? You can do this.

Me: WS
BS: ISurvivedSoFar
D-Day Nov '16
Status: Reconciling
"I am floored by the amount of grace and love she has shown me in choosing to stay and fight for our marriage. I took everything from her, and yet she chose to forgive me."

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sunflower71 ( member #60144) posted at 3:40 AM on Saturday, August 26th, 2017

Mine was limerance, not love - it was an infatuation with a tall, handsome, exotic (foreign) man (also a covert narcissist, so he is charming, intelligent, wordly, witty, blah blah blah). I didn't think I could "get" him. I didn't think I was worthy... and then I did - at least for a little while. "Having him" to myself did wonders for my self esteem when we were together and he was touching me in some way, shape, form. I got the rush, the dopamine cured my Depression temporarily...and then I'd leave his house and come CRASHING down.

This was not love. This was a cocaine high (and I've never done coke, but I hear it's fantastic.)

LOVE is the feeling I have for BH... it's familial. It's the feeling that I can be TOTALLY 100% myself with him. I never felt that way with AP who was silently judging me like he did to everyone else.

Together w/BH since '98 (married in '06)
Me: WW 47yo | Him: BH 51yo
EA: 8/2016-11/2016 | PA: 12/2016-2/2017 (COW)
Separated while in limbo:
3/2017 thru 6/17/2017
TT: 5/2017-8/2017 - many regrets here
Full Dday 8/26/2017

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Lordofthebinge ( member #54194) posted at 4:54 AM on Saturday, August 26th, 2017

100% sex. I didn't truly love my BS until I stopped the A. Just comes down to the sex I was having was worth more to me than being faithful to my BS.

Many days I wonder if I will ever cheat again. I like to think that most WS do. I'll try not to.

- Me and BW together for 10+ years
- D-Day: 3 years ago
- No kids....yet

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CantSleepCantEat ( member #59577) posted at 6:33 AM on Saturday, August 26th, 2017

Limerance for me, too. He was a narcissist, and a user. Not to mention a world-class bullshitter.

I was charmed by his confidence and his perpetual optimism. I was flattered by his attention. He told me all the things I needed to hear to feel good about myself - things I wasn't getting or wasn't receptive to from elsewhere, and didn't know/refused to ask for. Things I'd never been told before. I was dying for affirmation, and he was a proverbial firehose of it.

I thought I loved him. I told him I did. But there was always this faint twinge of desperation in it - the desperation of someone who is scared to lose the thing she's grown dependent on, even as it's causing everything else to fall apart.

During the A, I'd do just about anything he wanted. Anything to keep the affirmation coming. Anything to not have to face the void in myself. I can't believe the things I did for him, even still.

Coming out of the A was very disorienting - it turns out AP wasn't who I thought he was, I wasn't who I thought I was, I didn't feel the way I thought I felt, my marriage wasn't even recognizable anymore, and I had no idea why I did the things that destroyed it.

But no, I didn't love AP. In the last weeks I've realized that what I loved was that he filled the hole in my heart with thousands of meaningless sweet nothings so I didn't have to confront its existence.

"All good is hard, all evil is easy. Dying, losing, cheating and mediocrity is easy. Stay away from easy."

Me: WW, 32
BH: 32
A: 6/2016 - 6/2017
AP: COW, MM
Married 3 years, together 13
DDay: 6/30/17

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gonnabegr8 ( member #46415) posted at 2:18 PM on Saturday, August 26th, 2017

LOL - sometimes when people describe their APs I think we maybe had the same person!

Guess there is a cheaters handbook in lots of ways.


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sunflower71 ( member #60144) posted at 10:31 PM on Saturday, August 26th, 2017

LOL - sometimes when people describe their APs I think we maybe had the same person!

Guess there is a cheaters handbook in lots of ways.

Ha! When I read Cantsleepcanteat's post I thought the same thing. It's unbelievable to me how universal this experience is ... especially for women.

I should post this in book review (and I will).. but it makes me wonder if any of you have read these ebooks by Michelle Langley who has collected her own qualitative data on women in affairs. Really fascinating stuff:

http://womensinfidelity.com/womens-infidelity-i-ii/

Together w/BH since '98 (married in '06)
Me: WW 47yo | Him: BH 51yo
EA: 8/2016-11/2016 | PA: 12/2016-2/2017 (COW)
Separated while in limbo:
3/2017 thru 6/17/2017
TT: 5/2017-8/2017 - many regrets here
Full Dday 8/26/2017

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Zugzwang ( member #39069) posted at 4:46 PM on Monday, August 28th, 2017

Hell no. I loved the attention. The fact I can be who ever I wanted to be. No responsibility. No accountability. Loved myself in the most unhealthy way. She was just a mirror. Nothing special. Everything bad just like me. I loved feeling 20 again. Loved being wanted by more people than just my wife. People like your BH will not understand it. They can't. They aren't like us. They don't lack what we lack. They don't understand or comprehend the selfishness and using people as objects.

"Nothing in this world is worth having or worth doing unless it means effort, pain, difficulty." Teddy Roosevelt
D-day 9-4-12 Me;WS



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identitycrisis ( member #45686) posted at 6:19 PM on Thursday, August 31st, 2017

DaddyDom - I could not agree more. Thank you.

Me - WW (40s)
Him - BH (40s)
Married 17 years
Two precious children
D-Day 1 - Oct 2014
D-Day 2 - May 2016 (confessed affair resumed)
Reconciling

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crazyblindsided ( member #35215) posted at 6:36 PM on Thursday, August 31st, 2017

The WS in an A loves themselves the most. I agree with Root. I had a revenge A but still an affair nonetheless and I thought I was 'in love'. It was no where close to being love. Love doesn't destroy another person and the fallout from an A usually destroys all involved and that is not love in my eyes regardless of the feelings before, during, or after.

fBS/fWS(me):52 Mad-hattered after DD (2008)
XWS:55 Serial Cheater, Diagnosed NPD
DD(22) DS(19)
XWS cheated the entire M spanning 19 years
Discovered D-Days 2006,2008,2012, False R 2014
Separated 9/2019; Divorced 8/2024

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bravesgrl01 ( member #60075) posted at 4:57 PM on Sunday, October 29th, 2017

I told mine i loved him but now i see it wasn't love. Mine talked a good game and i believed it.

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