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 36yearsgone (original poster member #60774) posted at 3:41 PM on Wednesday, October 11th, 2017

Like many of you I spend lots of time thinking about my WWs affair and how it has affected me.

She tells me it's in the past and I need to get over it. I told her her adultery is not an easy thing to get over. She replied she was an adulterer but not anymore.

She doesn't want to discuss "the past" because it causes her anxiety and my questions are just another way of corralling and controlling her.

I keep trying to come up with a way to describe what her affair has done to me.

Here's the description I am thinking about this morning.

Her affair is like this: I'm walking along a highway when a reckless driver crosses several lanes of traffic, hits me and sends my body flying through the air where I proceed to get run over by several other cars.

The reckless driver, stops, looks at me in the road and before driving off says, "Sorry about that. It won't happen again."

Then she drives away and leaves me bleeding to death.

If you are absent during my struggles, don't expect to be present in my success.

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GoldenR ( member #54778) posted at 3:47 PM on Wednesday, October 11th, 2017

I have no idea why you would stay with someone that shows absolutely zero remorse.

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Dorothy123 ( member #53116) posted at 3:49 PM on Wednesday, October 11th, 2017

I think what you are asking is this

"How long after Dday till WS usually "gets it" "

http://www.survivinginfidelity.com/forums.asp?tid=605727

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Ithasfeels ( member #60985) posted at 3:56 PM on Wednesday, October 11th, 2017

To me it's like watching everyone I've ever known or loved being lined up one-by-one and excecuted by a bullet to the head right in front of me. At the end of it all, the shooter is by themself, points the gun to their temple and pulls the trigger, leaving me all alone.

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waryaries ( member #60980) posted at 4:00 PM on Wednesday, October 11th, 2017

She doesn't want to discuss "the past" because it causes her anxiety and my questions are just another way of corralling and controlling her.

She is putting blame on you and trying to escape her act. She doesn't feel any remorse, she doesn't feel any empathy for you. If you let her go like that she will do it again in future. You are the one who should be in control not otherwise. It happened to me, and I feel I am in control of the situation and she is following it so far. I havent taken a decision on D or R yet.

Betrayed Spouse
She cheated for years
Continue to lie, don't care if she cheats
Staying for Kids
Now VERY happy with new version of life.

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Too_Trusting ( member #99) posted at 4:01 PM on Wednesday, October 11th, 2017

I described it as being "paralyzed by sadness".

"Anyone perfect must be lying; anything easy has its cost. Anyone plain can be lovely; anyone loved can be lost." Barenaked Ladies

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xhz700 ( member #44394) posted at 4:02 PM on Wednesday, October 11th, 2017

I keep trying to come up with a way to describe what her affair has done to me.

Stop doing this. STOP DOING IT.

Behold! The field in which I grow my fucks.

Lay thine eyes upon it, and thou shalt see that it is barren.

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 36yearsgone (original poster member #60774) posted at 4:10 PM on Wednesday, October 11th, 2017

Stop doing this. STOP DOING IT.

Easier said the done. The mind does what the mind does.

If you are absent during my struggles, don't expect to be present in my success.

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beenthereinco ( member #56409) posted at 4:15 PM on Wednesday, October 11th, 2017

You seem to be trying to find the magic words that will open her eyes to the pain and destruction she has caused you but I don't think those exist. At least she hasn't shown any indication that they do or that you can find them. This is hard to process I know and I am sorry. I think what might help you and indirectly show her what she has done is to look hard at implementing the 180. Not sure if you've read it but I really think you need to think about emotionally detaching here some and letting yourself heal. It just seems right now you are just opening your wounds over and over again and they will never heal that way. Especially when you are opening them up to her and she has no desire to help you with them.

The 180 might also have an effect on her. What she sees right now is someone desperate to hold onto her like she is the prize. She probably thinks somewhere in her mind that this whole thing hasn't been a bad thing. She gets to either have the OM or she has woken you up and now you appreciate her and will be a better husband. She might even think she did you all a favor. If you detach then maybe she can start to get an idea of what she has done. How she has killed your love and your life and right now I don't think she sees this. She is not remorseful, she is not at all sorry for what she has done.

The 180 is not a way of punishing her or a trick to get her back. I mainly recommend this to you for your own healing and peace of mind but it might have an effect on her that will help your situation and with a little distance you might see that letting her go wouldn't be that bad for you. Perhaps if she does finally come to all of the realizations that you want her to you'll be in a spot where you won't care and that will be a GREAT DAY!

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thatbpguy ( member #58540) posted at 4:26 PM on Wednesday, October 11th, 2017

The fact she is over with it, it's in her past and isn't talking about means she simply doesn't care- for you or the betrayal. She had her wild time, got caught, said 'sorry' and now just has the memory of her wild time to bring a wry smile to her face. No consequences or need to help you heal.

No offense, but were it me I'd leave a cruel and heartless person. And I bet she doesn't miss you one bit. just on to the next guy.

Sorry to be so brutal, but that's how it appears to me.

ME: BH Her: WW DDay 1, R; DDay 2, R; DDay 3, I left; Divorced Remarried to a wonderful woman

"There are far, far better things ahead than any we leave behind." C.S. Lewis

As a dog returns to his vomit, so a fool repeats his folly...

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 36yearsgone (original poster member #60774) posted at 4:35 PM on Wednesday, October 11th, 2017

The fact she is over with it, it's in her past and isn't talking about means she simply doesn't care- for you or the betrayal. She had her wild time, got caught, said 'sorry' and now just has the memory of her wild time to bring a wry smile to her face. No consequences or need to help you heal.

No offense, but were it me I'd leave a cruel and heartless person. And I bet she doesn't miss you one bit. just on to the next guy.

Sorry to be so brutal, but that's how it appears to me.

Logically I am starting to agree. Emotionally I am still struggling with the whole situation.

If you are absent during my struggles, don't expect to be present in my success.

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annb ( member #22386) posted at 4:39 PM on Wednesday, October 11th, 2017

36years, my D-Day was 12+ years ago.

We still discuss it on occasion.

What did it feel like?

It felt like a nuclear bomb was dropped on my life. The fallout is wide and lasts for years. The residue never, ever goes away.

Even though my WH was remorseful, 12 years later we continue to feel the effects of the destruction it caused....to me, to him, to our finances, our kids, our social lives, his job,our faith, everything was affected.

You don't ever get over it, you get through it, it will take years, and that's with a WS who is doing everything "right."

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twisted ( member #8873) posted at 5:22 PM on Wednesday, October 11th, 2017

She doesn't want to discuss "the past" because it causes her anxiety and my questions are just another way of corralling and controlling her.

Causing HER anxiety? Really? Poor baby. It's still all about her, isn't it?

Failure to address your questions is her way of not facing the truth, avoiding the issues, and her controlling the narrative. She only wants her version of reality.

This is not a good thing.

"Hey, does this rag smell like chloroform to you?

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BlueIris ( member #47551) posted at 5:24 PM on Wednesday, October 11th, 2017

Your DDay was just over a month ago? And now your WW wants you to get over it, and that otherwise, you're trying to CONTROL her?

Oy.

Has she read How to Help Your Spouse Heal From Your Affair? or Glass's book Not "Just Friends"? Those, I believe, are pretty standard recommendations. Also, the link in Wayward - I think you even commented on it - has some good info. If you're not willing to share the site with her - and I fully understand why this should remain a safe space for the BS - perhaps you could copy/paste it into a document without the header/site info?

But okay. To answer your question, what seemed to be most accurate to me was the first few paragraphs of a lengthy treatise on Infidelity Trauma; I can't link you to it, but if you use google to search, it should be one of the top three results returned; the URL will begin with 'healingafteraffairs'.

From that site, these phrases have remained with me since I first read them:

Infidelity feels like a malicious ambush targeted toward you, the unaware recipient.

It feels designed to willfully inflict a mass amount of pain - an undercover operation to steal your dignity, pride, and dreams.

It's an ambushing, robbing and murdering of your soul. The moment you realize you are under attack, it's too late to do anything. The fireball of hurt has already ripped through your heart.

...infidelity is a calculated set of lies and choices - a covert operation, planed, controlled, directed and orchestrated by (the unfaithful spouse). Once the extraction is complete, leering at your anguish, as if now, you understand their disgust for you, and sneering with achievement as you accept their hatred.

Infidelity is torture of the heart, callous, calculated and cruel. It feels like acid eating through the depths of your soul, burning away the innocence of hope.

Infidelity feels like intense hate that is meant to agonizingly carve the love right out of your heart.

A sadistic and vengeful way to say, "I despise you like no other person on earth." It is the combination of evil and hate that rips at your heart, spitting a venom of condemnation, from someone who feels like the devil; only this time the devil is wearing your spouses face.

It is the ultimate rejection of your very being from the person who knows you the most.

It is horror that terrorizes every moment of your life as it kills your dreams of what your life is, was, and will be.

The shock of the assault feels no different than if your spouse plunged a knife deep into your heart, while you let out a bloodcurdling scream of destruction to your self-esteem and safety. It is mocking of your love, a statement of reprisal.

The two italicized sentences are the two that brought me to tears when I first read it, because I was so shocked and yet so relieved to realize that what I was feeling was normal - and that I wasn't alone.

In your example, you should add that the reckless driver turned out to be your wife, and that crossing those several lanes of traffic was intentional - that she saw you and knew you would be hurt, but the thrill of ride was more important to her than anything else.

A remorseful WS is one who is recognizes the damage she's caused to her BS, and who shows empathy and a willingness to own what she's done and then commit to helping to heal the BS AND also addressing and healing the issues that allowed the WS to do what she did in the first place. It should be noted that a lack of empathy is usually part of the infidelity package. After all, my husband acknowledges that he actually thought the words "This is going to hurt [BlueIris]" just moments before he had sex with OW, but obviously it didn't matter to him. I have said so often to him that it's obviously that that pain was the price he thought I should pay for not looking like and being like OW.

So yeah - lack of empathy, selfishness, often emotional immaturity, an inability to be introspective, and an external locus of control - combined with poor boundaries, can be a pretty lethal combination when it comes to remaining faithful to a spouse and marriage vows.

You'll surely know by now that recovering from betrayal can take 2-5 years, so your wife's response is...well, it's awfully discouraging, I know. I hope she's willing and able to see just how off the mark she really is.

I'm sorry that you're dealing with this additional layer of pain. My husband was helpful after a couple of months and for the first 18 months or so - and at least made some progress before then - but at 2.5 years out, he has less patience and empathy, which ...well, it concerns me. I don't think I could have handled it if, when I was bleeding out like in those first months, he had tried to tell me to get over it.

Also wanted to add - your wife should be moving hell and earth to figure out what she's done - what the real cost of her joy ride has been. That it seems like you're doing the heavy lifting is troubling. Have you read anything about co-dependency and whether any of it describes you?

Peace to you, 36yearsgone. Peace and strength.

BW | Dday 2-20-2015 + TT for several weeks

"The truth will set you free but first it will piss you off."

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1Faith ( member #38975) posted at 5:31 PM on Wednesday, October 11th, 2017

She doesn't want to discuss "the past" because it causes her anxiety and my questions are just another way of corralling and controlling her.

Tough. She brought infidelity into your lives and guess what, she has to deal with it.

Sorry, it makes her feel bad and causing her anxiety, WTF does she think her sleeping around has caused you?

If this seriously is her response to talking about the affair then you have your answer. It is still all about her.

Nothing you describe will make her "get it" or "understand" because she doesn't want to. It isn't about her so she doesn't care.

You are being a barrier to her getting on with her life. How dare you (sarcasm).

Your WW is NOT remorseful. She didn't and doesn't care how you feel and that sucks.

The only way to wake her up is to see an attorney, file and maybe she will see that she has to take accountability for her actions and do some serious work on herself, helping you heal and your marriage.

Until then...she wants to sweep this under the rug and continue her self centered life.

(((sorry)))

Sometimes my life feels like a test I didn't study for

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 36yearsgone (original poster member #60774) posted at 5:34 PM on Wednesday, October 11th, 2017

BlueIris:

Excellent post. Thanks.

Also wanted to add - your wife should be moving hell and earth to figure out what she's done - what the real cost of her joy ride has been. That it seems like you're doing the heavy lifting is troubling. Have you read anything about co-dependency and whether any of it describes you?

She's been pretty good at moving hell but the figuring out part is not so good.

I have not read anything about co-dependency. I never thought I had that problem, but am beginning to wonder if it does describe me.

If you are absent during my struggles, don't expect to be present in my success.

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1Faith ( member #38975) posted at 5:38 PM on Wednesday, October 11th, 2017

http://www.survivinginfidelity.com/healing_library/confrontation/tsunami.asp

This was THE article in the Healing Library that summed up my feelings after Dday.

Sending hugs and strength to you.

Mean people suck. And WS's are mean people when they choose to cheat.

[This message edited by 1Faith at 11:39 AM, October 11th (Wednesday)]

Sometimes my life feels like a test I didn't study for

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BlackHeartBroken ( member #58669) posted at 5:45 PM on Wednesday, October 11th, 2017

Your wife needs to me remorseful. Is she? Or is she having trouble owning all she has done, and expressing that to you? Are you in MC, or IC?

LEt's see...I always think of the A like this:

You leave a concert after having a great time, and are walking back to your car to head home. Out of nowhere a masked man comes out and beats and robs you of everything on your person that has any value. During the struggle the mask moves enough so you can see who has attacked you. You end up in the hospital with extensive injuries, physical, but also mental. As you are about to be released, the man behind the mask comes up, and he is the nurse assigned to help you as you recover. He apologizes for what he did, and says he'd never do something like that again because he was in a weird place in his life at the time. You know have to rely on the person that hurt you to help you heal.

I've told that exact scenario to my WH. He's very remorseful and working hard. I think when I laid it out for him like that it helped him see and understand my struggles better.

BW
LTA 14/15mos
D-Day 4/18/17
In R mode...
M to WH (Scarletman) 17 yrs
3 boys, ages 20, 16, 14
“We’ll never survive!”
“Nonsense. You’re only saying that because no one ever has.”
― William Goldman, The Princess Bride

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 36yearsgone (original poster member #60774) posted at 5:59 PM on Wednesday, October 11th, 2017

Your wife needs to me remorseful. Is she? Or is she having trouble owning all she has done, and expressing that to you? Are you in MC, or IC?

I think, just like she told me when she was confronted, that she is sorry she got caught. I have told her I don't think she is remorseful. I've mentioned that people here (without revealing where here is) say she is not remorseful.

She replies that none of "these people" know her or her heart.

I believe she is having trouble owning anything to do with the affair: He pursued her; he complimented her; he told her how beautiful she is; he told her what great sons she has. Hell, he allegedly told her she had a great husband.

She doesn't want to talk about any of it because it's in the past and she doesn't want to live in the past. In other words, I screwed you over, I'm sorry I got caught, get over it and move on.

We are in IC and MC. She spends a lot of time lying in MC. I imagine she does the same in IC.

If you are absent during my struggles, don't expect to be present in my success.

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Dorothy123 ( member #53116) posted at 6:14 PM on Wednesday, October 11th, 2017

36yearsgone,

The lying is Trickle Truth. (TT)

TT is when a cheater, once caught, will only admit to what you can prove and lie about EVERYTHING else.

" Share your WS's TT stories "

http://www.survivinginfidelity.com/forums.asp?tid=612326

She doesn't feel remorse because she think that you caused her to cheat.

It's really convenient that many non BS's in our society think that way.

"Misconceptions about A's you had b/4 being cheated on? "

http://www.survivinginfidelity.com/forums.asp?tid=593607

Also, many non BS's think that a BS should recover from infidelity in a month or less.

So, it is no surprise that your WW thinks that too.

"When did people 1st started telling U 2 "get over it"? "

http://www.survivinginfidelity.com/forums.asp?tid=589752

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