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 Unforgiven1OH (original poster member #61898) posted at 10:07 PM on Friday, December 29th, 2017

Virginia - Self-loathing and self-hatred get you nowhere. Have you done IC? One of the very first things discussed is learning to forgive yourself. It’s also one of the first things my faith leaders mentioned. It’s critical to finding the pathway to healing, and one of the hardest things to accomplish. I cannot ask for forgiveness from my BW until I can forgive myself.

We may disagree here, but with few exceptions, no human being deserves to be “demonized.” Re-read that. Are we really that callous and cold of a society that we have no compassion for others? That’s why I’ve chosen to be charitable and actively help the less fortunate. I save lives for a living. I can’t imagine demonizing a heroin addict or a schizophrenic. People are NOT defined by their diseases. That, my friend, is stigmatizing.

Do I deserve my wife’s anger for the dumpster fire my betrayal ignited? Absolutely! Do I deserve it from complete strangers who don’t know me or my circumstances? Absolutely not!

Do I welcome advice? Certainly. Is there a one-size-fits-all approach to healing and R? Absolutely NOT! Do I have a lot to learn? Most assuredly. That’s why I’m here reading.

Be well.

Sometimes when you’re in a dark place, you think you’ve been buried, but you’ve actually been planted.

“Recovery depends on a genuine desire to change, an ability to empathize, and the capacity to exercise self-control.” — Shirley Glass, Ph.D.

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 Unforgiven1OH (original poster member #61898) posted at 11:35 PM on Friday, December 29th, 2017

ASoCalledLife - I was re-reading your post. Good stuff in there. T/Y.

Question: Since you've done a lot of reading/research -- have you come across any good reads/resources re: learning how to be less defensive? It's definitely a weakness. Honestly, I don't even realize I'm doing it, but it must be an issue since several folks have pointed it out. When you feel like a cornered animal, it seems a common way to cope is to get defensive. I'm trying to be mindful about it and learn ways to change. It's something I've told the IC I want to work on.

If you or anyone else knows of a worthwhile read on the topic, I'm all ears.

Sometimes when you’re in a dark place, you think you’ve been buried, but you’ve actually been planted.

“Recovery depends on a genuine desire to change, an ability to empathize, and the capacity to exercise self-control.” — Shirley Glass, Ph.D.

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pinkpggy ( member #61240) posted at 12:28 AM on Saturday, December 30th, 2017

I agree with 99% if this! And the post someone else was referring to in JFO was posted by Ambivalent One. I do badly want to post a reply in it but wayward are not allowed. It has about 41 pages of hatred and venom. Pretty scary stuff.

And I'm glad you finally came clean. I think based on your original post we could all see the truth. Your anger and defensiveness gave you away. I was the same way before I came completely clean!

[This message edited by pinkpggy at 6:29 PM, December 29th (Friday)]

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 Unforgiven1OH (original poster member #61898) posted at 1:25 AM on Saturday, December 30th, 2017

Pinkpggy - I’ve weaseled my way out of tickets and jams of that nature, but it was quite apparent the only way to emerge from the mess I created through my A was to give my BW the respect and truth she deserved all along. I don’t think I’ve ever felt more deeply ashamed in my life, and I’ve done a lot of boneheaded things — especially during the college years. Among the many regrets I have is not finding the courage and humility to admit it all months ago when I was first confronted.

[This message edited by Unforgiven1OH at 7:26 PM, December 29th (Friday)]

Sometimes when you’re in a dark place, you think you’ve been buried, but you’ve actually been planted.

“Recovery depends on a genuine desire to change, an ability to empathize, and the capacity to exercise self-control.” — Shirley Glass, Ph.D.

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EvolvingSoul ( member #29972) posted at 2:05 AM on Saturday, December 30th, 2017

**Posting as a Member**

Hi again UnforgivenOH1,

I am wondering if you feel like you owe this community an apology for the way you behaved when you were last here. In your first post on this thread you spent literally 80% of it criticizing and lecturing the community about the right way to give advice to people who have come here asking for help and a single word, "bristling", in reference to how you responded when people questioned whether you were being entirely truthful, which you weren't. Go back and read your first thread as if it weren't you writing it, if you can. Can you really reduce the anger and false self-righteousness you conveyed there to mere "bristling"?

It seems as if all along you have only done exactly as much as you have to and only revealed as much as you have to in order to continue to get the outcome you want. In your words on this thread you are making it sound like you were finally coming clean for your BS's sake, but you were not willing to give your wife the truth about the PA until after she cancelled Christmas with you and called your Dad and said she was done. Not the outcome you wanted. Then you came here and called her cruel and malicious. You have blamed everyone around you for the consequences that are now raining down as a result of your choices.

So how about coming clean here with this community? How about an apology for all the lying and sugarcoating you did here? How about some humility instead of a lecture?

I don't think you yet really understand what it means to "own" it. I know you think you do, but your words and the sentiment they convey show that you don't. Stop worrying about who is and isn't an expert. Be assured that, given your current circumstances, the expert is not you. You have a long way to go.

The crucible is hot. It is painful. It is a place of possible transformation.

Will you stay in, or will you jump out?

Me: WS (63)Him: Shards (58)D-day: June 6, 2010Last voluntary AP contact: June 23, 2010NC Letter sent: 3/9/11

We’re going to make it.

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Bucko ( new member #60010) posted at 2:31 AM on Saturday, December 30th, 2017

Man, you lied and bamboozled everyone here (EA my ass!) yet still show up expecting to be treated the way you want to be treated - respected, coddled, forgiven - "don't be mean to me, I deserve forgiveness." For christ's sake, man the F up! I'm pissed and I'm not your wife. I can't even begin to imagine how she must feel if this is the way you speak to her (which, according to her posts, it is how you handle her and far worse.)

Yeah, I'm projecting here because I didn't even get half the chance you are being given to be the right kind of man/husband to your very BW. I got nothing and rightfully so. My BW was gone so fast my head is still spinning and it's been over a year. And I never trickle-truthed my BW. I didn't confess but I never TT'd. I'm not gonna cheer you on for finally coming clean after months of lying to everyone. I prefer to hold a mirror up to you and make you look at yourself. Really look at yourself.

You have a gift in front of you and you have no idea how valuable it is. A BW who hasn't left yet. A BW who is still considering keeping you as her husband. You have no idea how lucky you are, man. What a fucking gift!

How do I know you don't know what a gift this is? You can't stop talking about yourself long enough - how you feel ("poor me being demonized"), how you are trying, how you need to forgive yourself first, how humiliated you were, blah blah blah - to even give any thought to what she (and your poor daughters) are going through. Every mention of her, her pain, her right to feel hurt, is some qualifying after-thought in your posts. She is not your focus. You are your focus and this means you have a VERY long way to go. It means she is even further away from her healing because right now, it is all about you. It's not about her at all. This is when you have to be man enough to hold both of you up and carry the burden. Work on your healing while giving her everything she needs and more to begin hers. You gave her this cross to bear. The least you can do is help her carry it.

You save lives for a living? Maybe. You also very nearly destroy them just to feed your ego.

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 Unforgiven1OH (original poster member #61898) posted at 3:38 AM on Saturday, December 30th, 2017

Evolving: You mean the community where a “veteran” member makes a vulgar and offensive comment about my “wife getting her ass pounded”??? Please tell me how that is kind, supportive or even the least bit constructive? The fact that comments like that are tolerated speaks volumes.

I’m sorry if this isn’t the response you want, but the only persons to whom I owe anything, ultimately, are my wife and daughters. No offense, but at the end of the day — they’re all that matters to me.

Also, in response to this: “I don't think you yet really understand what it means to "own" it. I know you think you do, but your words and the sentiment they convey show that you don't.”

Uh, how’s this for growing a pair and “manning up”: I sat down and bared my soul to my wife and MIL. Answered every sordid detail truthfully. Absolutely owned it. Very humbling and humiliating experience. How many of you have admitted to PA to your conservative Christian in-law? I knew it was the right thing to do rather than watch my DW struggle by trying to fill in the blanks on her own. I know this isn’t about me. It’s silly to make such an assumption, but par for the course as I read more and more.

I see a lot of emotional responses on these threads, but not a lot of substance. I want books. Links. Not opinions. And when my marriage hangs in the balance you better believe I’ll accept science and experts over emotion-fueled judgment and opinion!

[This message edited by Unforgiven1OH at 10:03 PM, December 29th (Friday)]

Sometimes when you’re in a dark place, you think you’ve been buried, but you’ve actually been planted.

“Recovery depends on a genuine desire to change, an ability to empathize, and the capacity to exercise self-control.” — Shirley Glass, Ph.D.

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 Unforgiven1OH (original poster member #61898) posted at 3:45 AM on Saturday, December 30th, 2017

Bucko - since you were so quick to be dismissive...My IC has stressed forgiving one’s self as the first step. Many books I’ve read suggest the same. The point being, once you forgive yourself, you can then begin to take a deep dive into the how and why you behaved the way you did. Ultimately, this self-discovery helps one be more supportive of their spouse; more understanding; patient and remorseful. Remember: There’s no one-size-fits-all approach. You work your program, I’ll work mine. I hope you find peace and happiness.

Sometimes when you’re in a dark place, you think you’ve been buried, but you’ve actually been planted.

“Recovery depends on a genuine desire to change, an ability to empathize, and the capacity to exercise self-control.” — Shirley Glass, Ph.D.

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EvolvingSoul ( member #29972) posted at 4:10 AM on Saturday, December 30th, 2017

**still posting as a member**

Try to stop focusing on what everyone else has done, drop your defenses and focus on what YOU have done. That's why you're here, isn't it? To try to get some help in figuring out how to repair the damage? To try to figure out how to fix whatever broken parts of your brain allowed you to screw your wife and family over the way that you have and still have the gall to complain about how unfair it all was to you because you were going to have "Christmas joy stripped away" from you? Or is this still just a show for your BS to show her how hard you're trying? Have you agreed a poly or is her requesting it still putting her in the category of people "burdened with bitterness, anger, hate and contempt"?

You just asked someone a few posts ago about how to be less defensive because you can't see when you're doing it. You're doing it. Right now.

Me: WS (63)Him: Shards (58)D-day: June 6, 2010Last voluntary AP contact: June 23, 2010NC Letter sent: 3/9/11

We’re going to make it.

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Bucko ( new member #60010) posted at 4:14 AM on Saturday, December 30th, 2017

Guess you've never heard of multi-tasking. That's OK man. Let be all about you. Once you're alone, you'll have all the time in the world to let it be all about you. Good luck with that.

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EvolvingSoul ( member #29972) posted at 4:29 AM on Saturday, December 30th, 2017

I’m sorry if this isn’t the response you want, but the only persons to whom I owe anything, ultimately, are my wife and daughters. No offense, but at the end of the day — they’re all that matters to me.

What I was hoping for was a response from that might make me think that there is any point to continuing to respond to your posts. So far I have not seen that.

One thing I would caution you and particularly your BS against is doing a spiritual bypass. The idea is that because we are all sinners and God forgives our sins (in your case because Jesus pays for them) the Christian thing for your BS to do is to forgive and move on quickly and that anything less, including divorce, is not the Christian path. It's a rather fucked up form of rug-sweeping that preys upon the BS's desire to heal and also be right with their God. If you care about her, do not ask her to go down that path for the sake of being a "good Christian".

Me: WS (63)Him: Shards (58)D-day: June 6, 2010Last voluntary AP contact: June 23, 2010NC Letter sent: 3/9/11

We’re going to make it.

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 Unforgiven1OH (original poster member #61898) posted at 5:29 AM on Saturday, December 30th, 2017

Evolving: Our main source of therapy is MC/IC and a LOT of reading/research. This place was really an afterthought, and as I mentioned way up top — I thought it was affiliated with renowned psychologist Dr. Scott Haltzman author of “Secrets of Surviving Infidelity” — a terrific read if you haven’t yet discovered it. Clearly, it’s not. For one, Dr. Haltzman is very pro-marriage.

I sense you aren’t big on faith. I can respect that, but know even though it may not be a cornerstone in your life, it is in ours. I hope you can respect that. That’s the beauty of humans: we aren’t all the same.

There is very good, helpful info here. Unfortunately, you have to wade through a ton of muck and drama, and put up with a lot of snark to get to it.

Sometimes when you’re in a dark place, you think you’ve been buried, but you’ve actually been planted.

“Recovery depends on a genuine desire to change, an ability to empathize, and the capacity to exercise self-control.” — Shirley Glass, Ph.D.

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EvolvingSoul ( member #29972) posted at 5:57 AM on Saturday, December 30th, 2017

I sense you aren’t big on faith. I can respect that, but know even though it may not be a cornerstone in your life, it is in ours. I hope you can respect that.

Your sense is inaccurate. My faith has been a circuitous route from a rock solid belief in God to doubt to agnosticism to a deep study of physics, mathematics and astrophysics to the study of many religions and ultimately developing through personal experience the faith that the foundation of Creation is loving compassion and that those things are also the foundation of our humanity. It's what connects us all. My spirituality is an underpinning of my life now.

I mention the spiritual bypass because it's what my parents did the first time my mom was caught cheating. We got religion as a family. We all joined a church. We all got baptized. The infidelity was quickly put in the past and never processed, not by any of us. 10 years later my parents were right back where they started with the her cheating again because it was all rug swept in the name of Christian style forgiveness. That second round was over 20 years ago but it has only been in the last five years when, in the face of me talking openly to my parents about MY infidelity and my refusal to let my Mom blame shift it onto my BS the way she blame shifted hers onto my dad for decades, that she has begun to take some real responsibility for her choices.

Your big show of "owning it" by confessing everything(?) not only to your wife but also to your "deeply conservative Christian MIL" could as easily be a manipulation to have MIL assist with pressuring your BS to do the spiritual bypass. I really hope I'm wrong about that.

So...did you agree to a poly?

[This message edited by EvolvingSoul at 12:55 AM, December 30th (Saturday)]

Me: WS (63)Him: Shards (58)D-day: June 6, 2010Last voluntary AP contact: June 23, 2010NC Letter sent: 3/9/11

We’re going to make it.

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pinkpggy ( member #61240) posted at 2:18 PM on Saturday, December 30th, 2017

A new member in JFO posted a story very similar to yours but it is the BW. I'm going out on a limb by guessing it may be your BW. The story is very very skewed from what you have shared here if it is her.

You both have a very long way to go. I feel like the two of you may be using this forum for the wrong purpose.

*Edit to add* so it is your wife. I feel like your whole post here was just for her sake not yours. Your behavior does not show any remorse. The fact your wife and kids had to leave their home to feel safe is truly heart breaking. I hope you get the help you need. Your wife needs to run to any attorney ASAP.

[This message edited by pinkpggy at 9:17 AM, December 30th (Saturday)]

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 Unforgiven1OH (original poster member #61898) posted at 2:50 PM on Saturday, December 30th, 2017

Evolving: You realize as a “guide” you are bullying and attacking me, right? Your response about Christianity speaks volumes and confirms my suspicions about the true helpfulness of this site. Whether responding to the betrayor or the betrayed, SOME of you people love to pile on and inflict additional emotional pain/grief with utter disregard to the fact you are dealing with vulnerable individuals dealing with various stages of significant trauma and grief. This place overtly advertises itself as a safe place to work through issues. So far, aside from the library, links and a few caring individuals — I am disappointed with the experience. All I see is validation, victimization and demonization. The attitude I see, especially on this WS Forum, is one of constant condemnation and self-loathing. That bucks everything I’ve read and flies in the face of what I learn in IC. Sure, you can sit there and call it defensiveness, but in reality, it’s shock and dismay that other humans could be so nasty to one another when we’re all in a state of vulnerability and brokenness.

I really don’t think this place is for me. As someone earlier noted too many armchair psychologists who think they’re helping, when in reality — they are causing serious mental/emotional harm.

As for my situation, I have told my BW I would do a poly. At this point, there is nothing more to hide. Our discussion of the PA aspects was pretty thorough and graphic. Knowing how much it hurther to hear the “rest of the story” was the most excruciating thing I’ve endured in life. But she deserved to know. And I know, whether she stays or goes, finally being able to put the story together and make sense of it, will help her heal. She has every right to be angry. I deserve every bit of it from her. She’s crushed. It’s my fault. She is a good woman and a fantastic mother. We were very happy and best friends for many years. I’m a dumbass for risking all of it. I can’t change the past. I’ve said a thousand heartfelt I’m sorry and I’ll say as many more as it takes. She’s the only one (besides my beautiful girls) I need toprove myself to. Not you — not ourchurch family, friends or even our folks. There has been NC sinceSeptember with the AP. I don’t want anything to do with that individualever again. I have takensteps to reassure my BW and build trust by giving her access to phone/email, etc., I deactivated social media altogether, I check in via phone by calling from my desk so she knows I’m at work, I record mileage daily (so she knows I didn’t drive 2.5 hours to see the AP), I record every expense and send photos when receipts aren’t available to prove I’m not purchasing flowers and other gifts. I’m in IC to figure out the how/why and to learn how I can be supportive of her and communicate more effectively, I give her time/space, I pray for her/us daily and a I pray for my girls...you can mock me for doing so, but there is freedom through faith. There is healing and forgiveness through faith. I can respectif that’s not your cup of tea, but please do not bash me for my beliefs. Like feelings, beliefsare neither right nor wrong.

It comes down to this tidbit we learned in a marriage restored weekend: Love is not a feeling. Love is a CHOICE. We have a long road ahead. We’ve had a wonderful life together. We’ve endured the pain of losing a child and burying parents. We’ve experienced the joy of being blessed as parents and living a comfortable life. I love my wife dearly. I’m ashamed and humiliated by my choices. I can’t believe I would allow myself to hurt her the way I did. She’s everything I could ask for and more. And the fact she is still hanging in with a broken, damaged shell of the man she married — the man who vowed to forsake all others and protect her and providefor her — speaks volumes.

My eyes bleed after reading some of the vicious responses to her post. Hell, I’m afraid of the person that other users have portrayed! This is the danger of the Internet and groupthink and bringing a bunch of emotionally unstable and damaged individuals into a forum like this. There’s no filter. Truth and reality yield to groupthink, bullying, condemnation, validation and outlandish opinions. There is a ton of projection in here. “My experience was like this, so yours must be as well...” Life doesn’t work that way. You can’t compartmentalism 60,000+ individuals into oneor two boxes.

Sometimes when you’re in a dark place, you think you’ve been buried, but you’ve actually been planted.

“Recovery depends on a genuine desire to change, an ability to empathize, and the capacity to exercise self-control.” — Shirley Glass, Ph.D.

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brokenpieces930 ( new member #60135) posted at 3:12 PM on Saturday, December 30th, 2017

Unforgiven,

As I read through this post, I sense some familiarity with your challenges. Your writings remind me of similar feelings that I have struggled with in the last 10 or so months from D-Day. My BW has struggled mightily with the idea that potentially I was never a Christian if I was able to, after 29 years of marriage, behave like an animal for so long and still pretend to be a faithful husband and father.

I have been given some measure of a gift of communicating through writing, (sometimes a curse to keep me from fully "owning" my deep problems) as it seems you have also. My wife and I would communicate extensively through emails as we attempted to salvage a life together after D-Day. My BW would get so frustrated with my ability to hide behind my emotional damage by conveying a sense of intellect in my writing. She was right, and I did not even realize it.

I spent a lot of time over the years prior to becoming a WH, intellectualizing my deep faith, attempting to "perform" my commitment to God and my wife and family, not even realizing it. My motives, I thought were pure, and I believed that I was laying down myself for the sake of others.

The reality was that I was serving only my deep emotional need to be admired and loved by those around me. To be respected and be seen as a wonderful husband, father, Christian leader, and man of God. The horrible shit-pit that all of the years of self-serving created is beyond description. My wife and children are beyond compare in this world... I do not say that with pride, it is literally true. They are a pure gift from God and they are so wonderful in spite of my demonic struggles, not because of my righteous performance prior to becoming a WH.

The background written above is important as context for what I will now attempt to convey.

Post D-Day, I have been confronted with the harsh realities you speak of in your post. My BW and a few treasured close friends, are the only ones aware of my fall into complete darkness. My BW has remained adamant that no more of her life be destroyed by acknowledgement of my great sin. I initially wanted to tell the world, in a selfish attempt to be fully free of the sin. What a horrible decision that would have been based on the incredible grief that would have added to her life. Heres the thing, I have had to process, and still am, the fact that for the last four years, my life would not have existed, if my children would be aware of my hideous acts. They still see me as a wonderful, faithful, righteous father and friend, and in Christ, I am those things. But my opportunity to stay in that place is only possible because they do not know what I have done. I have had to, and still am daily processing the guilt of that situation. Christ has had to daily bear my pathetic crawl to the cross, to again have him bear the weight of my sin, for the sake of my BW and children. I wanted to not take that path.... I wanted to spill my wretched guts to the world, and avoid the daily cross route for the sake of my selfish pride and ego.

Here is the point... As a Christian, it is good and right to daily die to our need to be loved, admired, thought well of, be respected... and all of the other ego kibbles, by laying down everything before Christ and letting and trusting him to process it all in His good time. This is not rug-sweeping, it is the process of daily letting Him define the difficult journey we are all on.

If we do that, our defenses our dropped and He gains full access to every part of us. I am trying to be that person. I now know that I am loved and accepted by God simply because He created me to be loved and accepted by Him. I simply receive and let that enter the deepest parts of me to be changed by it. I no longer attempt to perform my love for my BW and children... I consciously let it flow out of me as a direct result of Christs great and gracious love for me. Don't get me wrong, I am a serious work in progress, I simply know where the source of life and love is found and attempt to let it be found in me.

I apologize for length, but the center of all of this is not found in our intellect, our emotions or any other place but laying down at the cross, and letting Him define our journey. I simply seek to be aware of what He is saying and doing, particularly for the healing of my wife, and allow Him to change my perception of myself to match the reality of His love for me.

The only way to own it and recover from the feelings of utter and complete failure, is to daily lay it down, and let Christ return sanity, love and His righteousness to ourselves and our families.

Good luck to you my friend, daily find the cross and love your wife with what you receive as a product of the work of the cross.

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 Unforgiven1OH (original poster member #61898) posted at 3:19 PM on Saturday, December 30th, 2017

Pink: Can you please explain to me how we are using this site incorrectly and any different from yourself or the other 60K?

BTW - My wife and kids didn’t leave. The girls are at a church camp and my BW needed space and time to digest details of the bomb I dropped when I fessed to the PA on 12/26. She is staying with a mutual friend. I respect that. We both needed time to breathe and digest. We actiually spent Christmas together as a family, which was a gift in and of itself.

It’s funny how people here take details and run wild with their own stories. It’s a grown up version of middle school gossip. I see very little therapy happening and a lot of condemnation and sadistic voyeurism.

Sometimes when you’re in a dark place, you think you’ve been buried, but you’ve actually been planted.

“Recovery depends on a genuine desire to change, an ability to empathize, and the capacity to exercise self-control.” — Shirley Glass, Ph.D.

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ff4152 ( member #55404) posted at 3:28 PM on Saturday, December 30th, 2017

I am a little surprised that you’re surprised at the reaction of some of the posters here. It’s true that you are going to get attacked here. It’s true that you’re not going to like what some people say. People interpret situations differently. Of the 60,000 members here, let’s say there are 1000 active members. Each one has their own values, feelings and opinions on the subject of infidelity. Some are going to call you a monster, some are going to be indifferent and some will side and empathize with you.

I daresay that what I just said isn’t unique to SI. It’s applicable to any community of people in any type of setting. What you feel is helpful may be hurtful to someone else and vice versa. I will go out on a limb a bit and say more often than not, the things people are saying to you are coming from a sense of concern and not condemnation.

Believe me, I know how you feel. I was attacked and vilified for quite a long time by some of the folks here. They were in the minority but seemed to speak the loudest. I would ask you to sit back and really reflect on what’s being said to you. Avoid the knee jerk reaction at anger and defensiveness, whether it’s warranted or not. It took me a very long time to even get half way to where I can ignore the folks who just want to hate on me.

I can honestly say that I’m in a much better place because of my interactions with the folks here. It’s been an extremely tough road and one I never want to repeat but in an odd way, it was one worth taking. I almost walked away many times but I don’t think “my work on me” is done yet. I urge you to give it some time and reflection.

Me -FWS

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WalkinOnEggshelz ( member #29447) posted at 3:29 PM on Saturday, December 30th, 2017

Pinkpggy,

ON TOPIC: Respect the original posters' intent and avoid threadjacking. Feel free to start new topics to discuss general subject matter in other threads, but do not refer to specific topics or threads outside of their original location.

If you keep asking people to give you the benefit of the doubt, they will eventually start to doubt your benefit.

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 Unforgiven1OH (original poster member #61898) posted at 3:36 PM on Saturday, December 30th, 2017

Brokenpieces - Wonderfully stated. Thank you so much for taking time to respond with truly helpful words. Your response and a few like it on this thread are what I had hoped to find on this site. I beat myself up enough that I don’t need to come here for more bashing.

I admire your courage to share openly about your faith. I have definitely grown in my own personal faith through this horrific experience. I met a complete stranger at a Lifeways store early on in the discovery process. I was a broken, crying mess. He came to me and prayed with me. It was an amazing act of grace I will never forget. I’m sure I’ll get ridiculed for it, but I swear he was an angel sent to me in a time of great personal tribulation. He didn’t judge. He prayed for forgiveness and encouraged me to hand it all over to God. It’s been a struggle -I won’t lie. The hardest thing for me to accept has been that this is a S-L-O-W process. It’s easy to get angry and say my prayers aren’t being answered, but then I pause, and see my BW is still here. I still get the joy of seeing our DDs every morning and night. That, sir, is a gift!

Your words strike a chord. I really do appreciate you responding. I wish more of the comments were as productiveand heartfelt. Is what it is. Thank you, though, sincerely. I hope you’re able to find peace, happiness and joy. God’s Blessings to you and your family in the New Year.

Btw - if you have any reading recommendations, I’m all ears.

Sometimes when you’re in a dark place, you think you’ve been buried, but you’ve actually been planted.

“Recovery depends on a genuine desire to change, an ability to empathize, and the capacity to exercise self-control.” — Shirley Glass, Ph.D.

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