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Notthevictem ( member #44389) posted at 9:24 PM on Thursday, February 1st, 2018

Jung, specifically pertaining to the shadow self.

I didn't care for jung's theory too much myself. Too much like my inner child stuff. The precept that ones mentality is a divided thing....with the exception of those with split personalities... seems too much like trying to establish a motivation vice discover one.

Although, blaming my shadow self for stealing somebody's beer might be fun.

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Notthevictem ( member #44389) posted at 9:26 PM on Thursday, February 1st, 2018

I am not quite sure what your point of your post is, WornDown.

Just to make sure sms, you did see my responses to your posts and simply chose not to answer back, right?

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SisterMilkshake ( member #30024) posted at 9:30 PM on Thursday, February 1st, 2018

Maybe you need to go back and check the thread, ntv.

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 Randy1133 (original poster member #54958) posted at 9:31 PM on Thursday, February 1st, 2018

That says it all, doesn't it? The skill with which you pick out something to argue with, and avoid anything thought provoking in my posts, is actually very telling. Perhaps you should share your new-found philosophy with your girlfriend.

You insult me for no reason and I'm suppose to regard your posts with any seriousness? I'll look up Jung, afterall he shed some light on your Oedipus Complex.

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Notthevictem ( member #44389) posted at 9:35 PM on Thursday, February 1st, 2018

I would, but Freud personally told me nit to read too much into things and never reread anything.

Edited to add: it was during a fart competition when I met him. I thought reading his book out loud in a minnie the mouse voice would throw him off his game. Drinking buddies ever since.

[This message edited by Notthevictem at 4:42 PM, February 1st (Thursday)]

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SisterMilkshake ( member #30024) posted at 9:38 PM on Thursday, February 1st, 2018

I don't know what you want from me, ntv.

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Notthevictem ( member #44389) posted at 9:44 PM on Thursday, February 1st, 2018

Maybe you should go back and check the thread?

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SisterMilkshake ( member #30024) posted at 9:46 PM on Thursday, February 1st, 2018

Still don't get what you want, ntv.

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Ephimera ( member #43294) posted at 10:14 PM on Thursday, February 1st, 2018

At the same time I'm improving myself to become more confident/assertive/dominant

Randy1133, it worries me that you put dominant and confident/assertive in the same category. Dominance is not an improvement. If your perception of strength lies in dominating others, then it is others' submissiveness that is defining your strength.

In my opinion there is a biological basis for women being attracted simultaneously to both “alpha” traits (which suggest good genes and physical safety for children) and “beta” traits (which suggest continued commitment and resources for raising the children).

PlanC, that essentially means women want men to be both strong and vulnerable, assertive and caring, depending on the situation. That's stating the obvious, isn't it? Don't men want the same?

Game is not nonsense. Well, it's nonsense to spend a lot of time to learn it, but it isn't nonsense in that it is effective and it does greatly improve your chances of sleeping with a lot of women.

...there are a ton of stories on here where male AP's "dropped game" on a WW and it went from "happy marriage" to blown up. Had that person not come along, and not known how to lie effectively to women to get them to drop their panties as fast as possible, the A never would have happened.

When women 'drop their panties' it is because they want to. This alpha pick up game only works with certain types of women who are looking to flirt. I personally find such alpha posturing ridiculous, and men who behave in that way the least attractive.

Why not just treat your partner like a person? Why make it a man/woman thing? We'd have a lot more in common if people were willing to refer to each others' good/bad/crazy/indifferent habits as HUMAN habits, rather than assign a gender to them for that gender's eventual stereotyping.

well said, silverhopes.

3.) Women, Logic & Emotional Reasoning:

Women are irrational and inconsistent, they have a capacity for logic but they are not typically inclined to utilise it. Women must exert concentrated effort to be logical for it is not their factory setting, men on the other hand although imperfect have a far more pronounced affinity for logic. As such by matter of preference if not biology, men are near universally superior logicians and decision makers.

Is this a joke? I am female, and my predominant thinking pattern is logic. Are there some men stupid enough to believe this nonsense?

4.) Woman’s Manipulative Nature:

Women are Machiavellian by nature. In comparison to the average man, they are far more proficient in matters of persuasion and general social manipulation.

And another generalisation. Some women are good at it, just as some men are.

Listen, it's cold, it's hard to hear, but it's also true, women are generally at the peak of their sexual attractiveness from around 18-25. Does that statement make you uncomfortable? What if I told you that men are typically at the peak of their physical prowess between 18-25? Because that is also true, and, just like women, our physical ability begins to fall off after that.

Agree that those abilities may decline after a certain age. Problem is when you measure a person's worth purely based on those qualities and call them depreciating assets. A woman is not measured by her attractiveness to men, nor is a man measured by his attractiveness to women. Their worth is measured by who they are as human beings, their principles, their contribution to society. If I, as a woman, only looked for an athletic, wealthy partner, I would be a very shallow person.

Real strength is from within. It does not require external validation of alpha status. It does not require others to look up to you. It dose not require a submissive partner to make you feel good.

I am a female executive in a global company, responsible for 300 odd staff in about six countries. I am fairly attractive, I frequently travel for work with male colleagues, there are loads of dinners and parties. I am highly confident and assertive. But I have never even crossed a boundary in my marriage. No one even dare try to flirt with me. Why, because I have a huge amount of respect for my marriage and my DH.

My DH is highly intelligent, perhaps off the charts intelligent, can converse about history, philosophy, literature, politics with some of the high profile people from UN, he is assertive without being dominant, he is confident, but doesn't feel the need to undermine others. He is neither alpha nor beta. He is an amazing human being who is strong, confident, caring and vulnerable. And we are true partners. Neither of us fit the red pill philosophy.

[This message edited by Ephimera at 4:15 PM, February 1st (Thursday)]

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Notthevictem ( member #44389) posted at 10:20 PM on Thursday, February 1st, 2018

Dominance is not an improvement. If your perception of strength lies in dominating others, then it is other's submissiveness that is defining your strength.

That is very interesting. It has a lot of applications beyond just the interpersonal dynamics... probabaly not commerce. Still, if applied globally-err nevermind getting into politics. Still, I think you're on to something.

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WornDown ( member #37977) posted at 10:25 PM on Thursday, February 1st, 2018

And you have to "mansplain" to me what I have researched, read and posted?

Nice insult there.

You put up data that supports exactly what I said, but couched it in terms that the 76% was still valid.

It's not that hard to admit you were wrong, instead of hurling insults

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Notthevictem ( member #44389) posted at 10:34 PM on Thursday, February 1st, 2018

It's not that hard to admit you were wrong, instead of hurling insults

I wouldn't worry about it bro, she already said you were a real man earlier, so....

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SisterMilkshake ( member #30024) posted at 10:40 PM on Thursday, February 1st, 2018

The chart I shared showed we were both right and had valid points, WornDown. I couched it? I shared the chart. I couched nothing. I also shared, from the same report, that older women have an almost 10.5% pay gap.

And, as far as "mansplainin" I was asking you if that was what you were doing, didn't say that was what you were doing. I said it would be bizarre and I was giving you the benefit of the doubt. Nice try on trying to flip it around onto me, though.

eta: And, by sharing the information that I researched I was showing I agreed with you, too, WornDown. Love the graciousness you have.

[This message edited by SisterMilkshake at 4:44 PM, February 1st (Thursday)]

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SisterMilkshake ( member #30024) posted at 10:42 PM on Thursday, February 1st, 2018

Oh, excuse me ntv, for my insulting words of "real" man. What I should have said was "authentic men". Now go fart.

eta: to fix "no" to "now" and to fix my sentence

[This message edited by SisterMilkshake at 4:46 PM, February 1st (Thursday)]

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Notthevictem ( member #44389) posted at 10:47 PM on Thursday, February 1st, 2018

Sms... really....?

Sorry, the fart on command button is in the attic.

I'd go it it for ya, but edward norton thought it would be funny to come over one day and rearrange everything up there. So i dont know what box it's in. <sigh> I'm not sure whether i need to go fix it or get him back first.

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SisterMilkshake ( member #30024) posted at 10:49 PM on Thursday, February 1st, 2018

Once again, ntv, I have no idea what you are trying to get from me. Are you trying to provoke me in some way? What do you want?

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xhz700 ( member #44394) posted at 10:50 PM on Thursday, February 1st, 2018

My current SO identifies herself as a "feminist" in alot of ways. She see's herself as a very independent woman. And she is in alot of ways. However, she does not like making day to day decisions. I don't even think that she fully realizes this, but she basically passes the buck so to speak. She would prefer for me to make alot of day to day decisions...

She also openly admits that part of the reason she enjoys our sex life so much is that she likes me to be "dominate" in bed. To take the lead so to speak.

These aren't mutually exclusive things. Don't you see how one dimensional the view you are taking is when you are bringing these things up in conflict of each other? Feminism means she wants a choice who she wants to be, nothing more. If she wants to be submissive sexually, great. If she wants to be dominant, great. If she wants to follow a man's lead, go to town. There are plenty of arrangements for how to conduct a healthy relationship.

Is this a joke? I am female, and my predominant thinking pattern is logic. Are there some men stupid enough to believe this nonsense?

There are a lot of men that buy into this crap. See James Damore for example. More garbage philosophy.

YES, women and men are fundamentally different. YES, some of these differences adhere to generalizations that exist. NO, it shouldn't affect anyone's opportunity to try to be what they want.

Behold! The field in which I grow my fucks.

Lay thine eyes upon it, and thou shalt see that it is barren.

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Notthevictem ( member #44389) posted at 11:01 PM on Thursday, February 1st, 2018

T/j --

Sms, I can't join the conversation on this thread without it being a provocation directed at you? Pretty sure I've responded to several people's posts besides yours. I'm not singling you out more than anyone else.

Lets see if I can sum up the interactions...

I pointed out the hypocrisy in using a real man motiver on a red pill thread AFTER I had specifically mentioned it being a sales pitch.

I pointed out your use of stats was flawed, but didn't feel like posting my own (*after 4 years here, I still suck at the posting of pictures)

I tried to get you to go back and address the real man thing.

I attempted to twice de-escalate your one-sided bias against worndown so that we could get back on topic. Still have no clue why you one day decided you had to have an east coast / west coast rappers beef with him.

But.... I'm the one provoking you? Nevermind, I'll go follow orders to fart somewhere.

-- end t/j

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million pieces ( member #27539) posted at 12:57 AM on Friday, February 2nd, 2018

Ah, I need to respond but I have two more pages to go.....

My GF got a > $15K raise recently because when her employer was forced to review their senior scientist salaries, hers was so low. She has her Masters in Astro Physics, works for NASA. Was hired WAY less than her male graduate counterparts. Not given raises (but promoted just as well) the same as her male counterparts. No, she didn't take time off to have kids. I know several examples of this, but this is the most concrete example because I know the numbers because of how close I am to her.

Yes, some professions pay less, and yes women choose them. But above is not one of those cases. And you need to ask yourself, are those careers paid less before or after women started choosing them? ( ie teachers).

And women's interest putting down men??? I'm not sure how public schools, classroom sizes, safe playground equipment, etc put down a single male.

I say good luck to the Red Pill assholes. Lets see how they can't keep their "lesser quality" women in their 70s or 80s when their dicks don't get hard and the women they've attracted move on to younger more "alpha" males. I work every day with elderly men who live by themselves because they've alienated anyone nice in their lives and are living on carryout and stouffers and can't take care of themselves because they are alone.

And if you want to be tough, don't grow some balls, they are delicate and sensitive. If you want to be real tough, you should grow a vagina. Those things can take a pounding.

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million pieces ( member #27539) posted at 1:10 AM on Friday, February 2nd, 2018

Feminism means she wants a choice who she wants to be, nothing more. If she wants to be submissive sexually, great. If she wants to be dominant, great. If she wants to follow a man's lead, go to town. There are plenty of arrangements for how to conduct a healthy relationship.

This exactly!!! I want equality with men so I can have choices. Not pigeonholed.

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