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nscale56 ( member #60270) posted at 5:53 PM on Wednesday, December 5th, 2018

And the flannel shirts and work boots that have never seen a day of work.

[This message edited by nscale56 at 11:56 AM, December 5th (Wednesday)]

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TheCaterpillar ( member #49827) posted at 6:14 PM on Wednesday, December 5th, 2018

I do think the definition of millennial has widened over time. When the term was first used I was told I was too old, then I was an "old millennial" now I'm considered a mid-range millennial. I'm so confused about how I'm supposed to label myself.

I started typing up an "old millennial" perspective on some of the accusations posted here (because I'd like to think most don't apply to me). Then I was struck at the irony. I've got some time off this morning so having done chores thought I'd indulge in some crochet while I read SI. I see this thread and am getting ready to "Not all people my age..." so I put down my crochet....I was crocheting a snowflake!!!

(I've been crocheting snowflakes out of silver thread and put them in all my christmas cards as a tree decoration)

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DragnHeart ( member #32122) posted at 6:40 PM on Wednesday, December 5th, 2018

While skinny jeans, to me look ridiculous and I worry way to tight for guys to be wearing, at least they have the pants up over their butts. Men/boys who wear their pants below their knees make me want to scream....

Any ideas why the change in this particular generation? I do not think bullying is ok but the 'need a safe place to go cry because I'm so easily offended' bunch is kinda disturbing to me.

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wildbananas ( member #10552) posted at 7:18 PM on Wednesday, December 5th, 2018

I'm curious to know, what sort of flexibility do millennials expect? WB, you said headaches as a good example... What are some others? Is it childcare related? Health appointment related? Mental health days? etc.

In my department (excluding me and my boss), there are four millennials and three not-millennials. The four were out of PTO before the year was half over. One, I totally get - he's married, they have two small kids, one with serious medical issues. Two of others are out for back issues, stomach issues, allergies, the aforementioned headaches, sound/smells for remodeling going on in our building being bothersome... after a while I just have to think... really? We get six days of sick time a year; one guy has used 17 this year alone.

But like I said, they're all good guys. They do their jobs, they're intelligent, they're personable but they're a little... delicate?

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DragnHeart ( member #32122) posted at 7:37 PM on Wednesday, December 5th, 2018

Part of me wonders of they like the free ride. Taking time off because of things that I was expected to work through and being able to get paid for it...If I had a migraine, owell. I had clients to look after, here take an advil.

WH sliced his finger along the top on a piece of metal at work the other day. As the WH held the skin together his manager super glued it... while telling him perhaps he should go get a stitch or two. WH wouldn't leave for one or two stitches. Other guys have left cause they felt the sniffles coming on lol.

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tushnurse ( member #21101) posted at 8:18 PM on Wednesday, December 5th, 2018

Here are a couple of examples of the entitlements.

1. One of our Millennial's was appalled that we didn't have a quiet room, or meditation area. My response this is work, you are here to work not meditate, you need a quiet 15 minutes go to your car, or for a walk. She still appealed to the CEO for a Meditation/Quiet room. She was told she could use a closet, space was at a maximum.

2. Another one put in an expense report for over $100.00 of Starbucks when our espresso machine went down for 4 days. Um. No. We STILL HAD COFFEE just not fancy coffees.

3. Another was hurt and went to leadership stating she needed an office because with her ADD she couldn't work in our open office of cubes. There were too many distractions. We have 3 conference rooms, 4 huddle rooms, and 4 offices that can be used on a first come first serve basis. That wasn't good enough.

4. Last but not least. Every single one of the millenials I work with have asked for a Director title . Regardless of what their role is. I however manage a team of people, doing HR, Reviews, interviews, hires/fires, invoicing for services, and I do NOT have a Director title. It is INSANE.

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DragnHeart ( member #32122) posted at 8:50 PM on Wednesday, December 5th, 2018

I wanted to say that I don't hate millennials. I don't really hate anyone (minus a few...Lol). I do end up being unable to hide an eye roll when faced with the lazy, entitled, delicate souls lol. Maybe I need to wear sunglasses more often lol

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stubbornft ( member #49614) posted at 8:59 PM on Wednesday, December 5th, 2018

I feel like older people do this in every generation - hate the new generation. "Kids these days". I find it annoying, but I think it just always happens. My kids are teenagers, not sure if they are millennials or what they will be called. One is a pain in the ass and entitled but so were plenty of teens when I was growing up. Some people like to get old and grumpy and judgy :)

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devotedman ( member #45441) posted at 9:00 PM on Wednesday, December 5th, 2018

I have seen claims that the "everyone gets a gold star" attitude of schools has come home to roost.

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Phoenix1 ( member #38928) posted at 9:01 PM on Wednesday, December 5th, 2018

As an employer and a college instructor, I've seen it in employees and students alike. I do NOT like generalizations, and I see problematic behaviors in folks from all age groups. However, what I have seen is a disproportionate amount of entitlement behaviors in the folks in the "millennial" group. I use quotes because I think the age range is somewhat fluid.

As students, so many feel truly entitled to an "A" just for showing up to class. Many miss turning in assignments and are absolutely astounded they have a poor grade. They are in genuine shock, and don't understand why they can't just make it up with extra credit. This is college folks. We don't hold your hand. And yes, I have had complaints lodged with school administration for my "unfairness" and I have had to defend myself (which I have always done quite successfully, but it is a pain in the ass). There's a reason I document everything.

But then there are other students in that age range that go above and beyond and are always on top of everything. Even if they aren't "A" students, they are still on it. I love having those students!

Because I teach business classes, and have a wide range of ages as students, we sometimes get into some "heated" discussions between the age groups relating to the business world. The millennials spar with with Gen Xers and a few Baby Boomers. I let them debate with the requirement that it stay respectful. They need to learn how to disagree with others and still remain professional and respectful. I actually stress that in class. The debates are quite entertaining, to say the least, especially since I often have several veterans in class as well. What I hear in the back and forth "accusations" is exactly what is being said in this thread. The "millennials" feel they are misunderstood, treated unfairly, and want their personal life to be given as much importance as their work life. The other groups roll their eyes and tell them that is not how the real world works and they need to toughen up and not be so sensitive. This plays out in almost every class I teach, and after ten years I have seen it escalate. It seems about five years ago it really started to intensify, IIRC, and has gotten worse.

As an employer, sadly, I have not had one millennial hire that did not display all these behaviors. Constructive criticism is necessary to improve work performance, but is never well received no matter how much I try to soften it. My experience has been that they (my employees) feel they are simply never wrong, and that there should be exceptions to almost every standing office policy to accommodate them in some way. Unfortunately, that would be highly disruptive and is not realistic.

Both my DDs are "millennials" and, of course, I love them. But they are what I would consider to be the exception to the stereotype. Not because I am biased, but because they are ashamed of being lumped in that category and tend to bash their own generation. My oldest DD worked full time and went to college, paying her way. She had some small scholarships but not much. She graduated with her Masters and currently has her own home. She did not move back home once. When she needed a new car, she just got another job with nary a complaint because that is just what she needed to do.

My youngest DD was military and married military, so that's a different employment animal. She has no desire to go to college, but she makes good money anyway and is a very hard worker. SHE hates her generation.

When I was raising my kids, I worked full time and went to college full time. This went on for 14 years (and yes, I am still paying on my student loans). My now X worked full time too. We had childcare, and utilized before/after school care where we could. In-laws would watch them once in a while, but XFIL was battling cancer so I spent more time taking care of him (I took him to all his radiation/chemo therapy appts). Was it hard? Yes. Did I want to give up at times because I didn't know what time of day it was half the time? Yes. But I didn't give up and dug deep inside and simply did what I had to do.

My kids grew up watching me do the above. They have told me time and again that made a big impression on them, and is the reason they also have a strong work ethic and sense of personal-responsibility. I am incredibly proud of them and the adults they have become.

I certainly don't "hate" any particular group. I dislike certain behaviors exhibited by people, regardless of what "group" they fall into. It is very frustrating trying to talk logic and reason with these difficult people because they simply don't want to hear it. Their way is the right way and the only way. Period.

[This message edited by Phoenix1 at 4:45 PM, December 6th (Thursday)]

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Zamboni ( member #65496) posted at 9:11 PM on Wednesday, December 5th, 2018

The office manager at STBXWH's company would often order breakfast for the break room ... a whole group of them filed complaints to HR and their managers because she had the AUDACITY to have bagels and cream cheese ... they said it wasn't in keeping with their healthy life-style / Keto / Whole 30 / Low-Carb .... INSTEAD they wanted açaí bowls and a juice bar ... you would have thought she was clubbing a baby seal and serving it on a platter ... it's just simple carbs people, no reason to get that upset and offended!!

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DragnHeart ( member #32122) posted at 1:09 AM on Thursday, December 6th, 2018

Conspiracy theorists abound. I have to wonder if our phones are monitored. No sooner posted to this thread and I have had "millennial" articles popping up on my FB news feed since lol

Also heard on the radio comments about skinny jeans vs boot cut. How funny.

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h0peless ( member #36697) posted at 1:16 AM on Thursday, December 6th, 2018

I have to wonder if our phones are monitored.

They are. Privacy is dead. Google and Apple know you better than you do.

You'd know that if you were a Millennial.

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 silverhopes (original poster member #32753) posted at 1:44 AM on Thursday, December 6th, 2018

so I put down my crochet....I was crocheting a snowflake!!!

Well, to be fair, snowflakes are really pretty designs.

Soon there's gonna be a whole generation of kids raised on Frozen who wonder why "snowflake" is a bad thing...

ETA: Had to look up man bun. So THAT'S what that hairstyle is called!

Privacy is dead.

Yep. It's honestly pretty depressing. Some people perform life instead of live it, and I'm pretty sure this is one of the reasons.

[This message edited by silverhopes at 7:48 PM, December 5th (Wednesday)]

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josiep ( member #58593) posted at 1:50 AM on Thursday, December 6th, 2018

I'm a nerd and love history. So when I came across a Kindle version of interviews with former slaves, I grabbed it and loved reading it. It's a result of a WPA project in the 1930's, designed to do public works and benefit the country from the Great Depression.

Anyway, the one I read was former slaves who lived in or near Little Rock, AR in the early 1930s. What was so interesting is how many of them ended their interviews by lamenting how lazy the current generation is, how none of them dress properly or display the proper decorum and how they don't know what's going to become of this country due to the next generation.

So I think this tsk-tsking our teeth and lamenting the current generation has been going on for a very long time. Each generation has it's own political landscape to navigate and the generation before them can't get it the same way because they lived it differently. For instance, I hate when I hear Baby Boomers brag how they worked their way through college working min. wage jobs cuz they just don't understand that it absolutely cannot be done that way today. For a variety of reasons but it cannot be accomplished that way in today's world.

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DragnHeart ( member #32122) posted at 9:19 AM on Thursday, December 6th, 2018

They are. Privacy is dead. Google and Apple know you better than you do.

You'd know that if you were a Millennial

Nope, I'm not lol. WAY older than that lmao. Guess my age is showing

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 silverhopes (original poster member #32753) posted at 12:38 PM on Thursday, December 6th, 2018

What exactly is the difference between millennial and Gen Y? I'd thought they were the same but have been hearing differently as of late.

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Lalagirl ( member #14576) posted at 2:10 PM on Thursday, December 6th, 2018

I didn't read the rest of the responses yet, but I don't hate Millenials at all...this GenXer is a mamma to 2 awesome, wonderful Millenial DDs.

They are hard-working, intelligent, happy, ethical people and awesome moms. Their husbands, also Millenials, are awesome as well and both have incredible work ethic. None have that "sense of entitlement."

Frankly, I think it's unfair to make negative generalizations for any age group...JMHO.

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Lalagirl ( member #14576) posted at 2:12 PM on Thursday, December 6th, 2018

Just found the new "guideline" for the groups:

The Silent Generation: Born 1928-1945 (73-90 years old)

Baby Boomers: Born 1946-1964 (54-72 years old)

Generation X: Born 1965-1980 (38-53 years old)

Millennials: Born 1981-1996 (22-37 years old)

Post-Millennials: Born 1997-Present (0-21 years old)

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Lalagirl ( member #14576) posted at 2:17 PM on Thursday, December 6th, 2018

What exactly is the difference between millennial and Gen Y?

I think Gen Y is the same as a Millenial and Gen Z is the Post-Millenial

[This message edited by Lalagirl at 8:19 AM, December 6th (Thursday)]

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