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 1lostone (original poster new member #66363) posted at 10:31 PM on Friday, April 12th, 2019

OptionedOut

The OMS (other mans spouse) contacted me the other day to see how I was doing. She is struggling as well. I told her about this web sight maybe she will join.

The WW & I had a small argument on Thursday. I told her that I was still hurting & she wasn't doing anything to help. Told her I still need help. She cried for hours & told me she was so sorry for what she had done. She said that she suffers with her decision everyday & wishes she could change what she did but unfortunately she can't. She said that she doesn't believe in A & was sucked in but the sweet talk. She said that I am still the love of her life & she made a HUGH mistake by letting another man into her life sexually & mentally & it will NEVER happen again. She said the grass isn't greener on the other side & she was sorry! It felt sincere.

Thanks

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Marz ( member #60895) posted at 10:34 PM on Friday, April 12th, 2019

Her words sound good but only her actions will count.

Make sure you understand that. You don't want a second dose

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faithfulman ( member #66002) posted at 10:38 PM on Friday, April 12th, 2019

The OMS (other mans spouse) contacted me the other day to see how I was doing. She is struggling as well. I told her about this web sight maybe she will join.

That was good of you, but dangerous if you want to keep your thoughts and our advice private from your WW.

We just had a situation where someone just like yourself told the OBS and then she let her husband know about SI and then that information got back to his WW.

I hope it goes better for you.

[This message edited by faithfulman at 5:02 PM, April 12th (Friday)]

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fareast ( Moderator #61555) posted at 10:45 PM on Friday, April 12th, 2019

Marz has good advice. She is saying the right things but watch her actions. In order to develop remorse it takes time but she needs to be all in with what you require. But if it ends up that this is a dealbreaker for you, so be it. It is for many. She needs to show consistent actions over an extended time. Be vigilant. Is she now willing to go to IC? Good luck.

[This message edited by fareast at 4:48 PM, April 12th (Friday)]

Never bother with things in your rearview mirror. Your best days are on the road in front of you.

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 1lostone (original poster new member #66363) posted at 11:17 PM on Friday, April 12th, 2019

faithfulman

That was good of you, but dangerous if you want to keep your thoughts and our advice private from your WW

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I told the WW that I spoke to her. No secrets here. The OM knows I spoke the his spouse as well. She knows nothing about me on the web sight though.

Marz

You don't want a second dose

Your are absolutely right I do not!

fareast

Is she now willing to go to IC?

Going to talk about that today. It will have to happen or a deal breaker.

Thanks

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Arthur ( new member #70288) posted at 12:26 AM on Saturday, April 13th, 2019

You mentioned she is in constant pain. What meds if any is she using? Is she using them as prescribed?

I realized these questions seem off topic but they are not. One of your post mentioned sending pics which she later claimed no knowledge of. Could she have been disassociating? If so beware.

Again this does not excussed her actions. If anything it might be the strongest reason to divorce.

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Marz ( member #60895) posted at 12:42 AM on Saturday, April 13th, 2019

Going to talk about that today. It will have to happen or a deal breaker.

If she doesn't do the work to fix herself you have a problem.

She has the capability to cheat. If you look over this site you will see false Reconcilliations happen regularly.

Stay out of MC upfront !!!!! They can sometimes hurt more than help.

Put some thought into it before you even offer. R takes two. Is it a dealbreaker or not for you? You can waste a lot of your life if you can't do your part.

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faithfulman ( member #66002) posted at 1:00 AM on Saturday, April 13th, 2019

1lostone

I told the WW that I spoke to her. No secrets here. The OM knows I spoke the his spouse as well. She knows nothing about me on the web sight though.

What I am telling you is that a guy who was posting here told the OBS - "Other Betrayed Spouse" about SI just like you did, and the OBS told her WH - "Wayward Husband" about SI, who then told the poster's WW - "Wayward Wife" about this forum.

In other words, he trusted the OBS just like you did and he got burned.

This happened just a couple of weeks ago, look for the thread "Beyond Devastated".

Nothing you can do about it now, but you have to be prepared that the OBS might not be able to keep a secret.

[This message edited by faithfulman at 7:03 PM, April 12th (Friday)]

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ShutterHappy ( member #64318) posted at 3:14 AM on Saturday, April 13th, 2019

I told her that I was still hurting & she wasn't doing anything to help

This will take years. It sounds like you want to go the R path... Buy the book "How to Help Your Spouse Heal from Your Affair" and make her read it.

Also make sure she figures out why she did what she did.

Has she written a NC letter the the POSOM?

Me: BH
Divorced, remarried.
I plan on living forever. So far so good

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manofintegrity ( member #69550) posted at 3:25 AM on Saturday, April 13th, 2019

BS ONLY

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 1lostone (original poster new member #66363) posted at 5:46 AM on Saturday, April 13th, 2019

Arthur

What meds if any is she using? Is she using them as prescribed?

She was in a car accident a couple years ago. Sideswiped by a teen age girl. In our late 40’s we don’t heal as fast as we use to. Between the accident and losing her mon and dad also 3 miscarriages she has a lot on her mind.

She takes 2 different pain meds one of them 3 or 4 times a day and one for breakthrough pain. a muscle relaxer & something for her nerves. As far as prescribed I am not home to see how she takes them all day. She says she is but I have wondered myself.

faithfulman

As far as the OMS I never thought of that. Just trying to help her as she is having a hard time as well. Oops like you said can’t change it now.

ShutterHappy

As far as the book I’ll look it up & buy it. Sounds like something that it a must read for her.

manofintegrity

I haven’t ousted her yet. Not sure where to start on that. She doesn’t have a lot of family around. & rarely talks to the ones that are alive.

Thanks

[This message edited by 1lostone at 11:56 PM, April 12th (Friday)]

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Arthur ( new member #70288) posted at 1:21 PM on Saturday, April 13th, 2019

1lostone,

Thank you for answering. Your answer scares me. Without knowing the exact meds, the number of drugs and the general type your answer,reminds me of a neighbor. She needs to see another doctor about the pain meds and see about getting a pain pump. (It's like an insulin pump for diabetes.)

Your wife has suffered a great deal of loss between the deaths of her parents and the 3 miscarriages. Add in the cocktail of drugs and the question of their proper usage, you don't know who your wife is.

Note these questions in no way excuses the adultery or Lessen your pain. Rather they suggest one area that need to be addressed before your wife can be consider safe.

I could share several stories about my friend and how he scared the hell out of his friends (almost blew up the house) and how the pain pump chamge has life if you wish, let me know.

Be well

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M1965 ( member #57009) posted at 1:49 PM on Saturday, April 13th, 2019

Hi 1loststone,

I am sorry that you had reason to go looking for a place like this, but I am glad that you found it. The things that you are going through and the challenges you need solutions for are all ones that others here have faced.

What you will find is that there are no one-size-fits-all answers. There is an old Johnny Cash song called "One Piece at a Time". It is about a guy who works in an auto assembly plant who starts stealing car parts, hoping to build himself a complete car once he has all the parts. It takes him so long that by the time he has all the parts, the car is a complete patchwork creation. Despite that, the car works, and he enjoys driving a totally unique vehicle that he built.

The process that both the betrayed and the wayward go through in the aftermath of infidelity is similar. They have to build themselves a vehicle to carry them forwards in life from a combination of all the advice and resources that are available to them. Forums like this can be one of those resources, and you can pick and choose the pieces of advice that feel 'right' to you, and leave those that do not.

There are many books on the subject of surviving infidelity, and they can explore issues in a lot more depth than we can in forum posts.

I truly believe that the first person we have to reconcile with in the aftermath of infidelity is ourselves.

For the betrayed, that can involve a struggle about "Can I stay?", "Should I stay?", "Am I letting myself down if I stay?", etc. For the wayward, it may be "How did I do that?", "Why did I do that?", "Is that who I am?"...

So when your wife says...

...she doesn't believe in A

...she is not being honest with herself, because she was actively involved in one. The place she needs to reach is one where she accepts that her disapproval of the principle of affairs did not stop her from having one.

To do something and then claim she doesn't believe in doing it may be an attempt to distance herself from it, but that is all it is. And I believe it is counter-productive and a waste of time, because it is meaningless. If she believes that she can be a safe and trustworthy life-partner for you in future, she has to engage with what she did, own it, and figure out why none of her beliefs, views, boundaries, etc, prevented her from doing it.

Similarly...

She said that she suffers with her decision everyday & wishes she could change what she did but unfortunately she can't.

...is a waste of time and energy. Much as we all wish for a 'rewind' button in life, they do not exist. We only ever exist in the present, and the question should not be, "Did we want to be here?" but, "We ARE here, so how do we go forward?"

If you think about a marriage as a porcelain vase, and infidelity being the act of dropping it on the floor and breaking it, it becomes a good analogy for where we are in the aftermath.

What we have instead of a single unbroken thing is a bunch of pieces. So what do we do? Presuming we do not just sweep the pieces up and put them in the trash, do we get glue, and try to stick the pieces all back together, to recreate the vase? Or do we throw a chunk of clay on the potter's wheel and try to make a new one?

And the question, of course, is do you have enough clay to make a new one. That clay consists of the good things from the old marriage, and potential good things that you believe could be the building blocks of a new, different marriage/relationship.

Making that choice - trashcan / get glue / make a new one - can take time, so please give yourself time.

And in making that choice, you need to be selfish and exclude any entreaties or pleas from your wife. Staying with her has to be what is right for you. Her A was a selfish act, all about her, made in exclusion of you. Whatever you decide must be your decision, made in exclusion of her and what she wants.

That may sound harsh, but what you are thinking about is what you do with the rest of your life, and that has to be about you and only you.

She said the grass isn't greener on the other side & she was sorry! It felt sincere.

For both of you, she needs to dig into that statement. It may be sincere, but is she sorry for herself because her gamble did not pay off?

Two questions to ask her are these:

1) If the grass was greener on the other side, where would you be now?

2) Are you only still here because you landed in a patch of crab grass, and you think being here is better for you?

She said that I am still the love of her life & she made a HUGE mistake by letting another man into her life sexually & mentally & it will NEVER happen again.

A big issue in these forums is using the word 'mistake' in relation to affairs. An affair is never a 'mistake'; affairs are the result of hundreds of conscious and deliberate decisions.

Backing your car into a tree because you look in your rear-view mirror and think it is further away than it really is can be described as a legitimate mistake. Backing your car into a tree to see what happens or because you think it might be fun is not a mistake. The fact that people may regret the consequences of their decisions or actions does not make them a mistake. It means they have faulty decision-making processes.

For you, as you consider your options, clarity on why your wife thinks her affair was a mistake is important. Is it because her decisions and choices did not work out for her, or because of the pain she has caused you? If she is trying to prove herself as a potential life-partner for you moving forwards, she needs to prove the latter to you.

Put simply, if she is feeling sad that she messed things up for herself, that is a continuation of the selfishness that fueled the affair. What you need is to see evidence that she understands how she hurt you and let you down. And how, in reality, she let herself down.

None of this is about punishment or revenge.

It is about her going on a journey where she accepts what she did as deliberate, conscious choices. Where she identifies the problem elements in herself that allowed her to make decisions and take actions that she knew would damage the marriage and hurt you.

The aim is for her to reach a level of self-insight where she can begin work to disable / neutralise the parts of herself that allowed her to do those things. And by doing that, to become someone that you can commit the rest of your life to with an acceptable level of confidence.

This is a challenge that she has set herself, and she needs to take that to heart if she wants to remain with you.

Put simply, as others have said, she has to prove to you that she can be trusted if she expects you to embark on a future with her.

People can and do work through the many challenges and questions that they face after infidelity, but to hark back to Jane Fonda's 1980s aerobics videos, an underlying principle of the process is, "No pain, no gain". Which means your wife accepting that she chose to do what she did.

It was not an accident.

It was not an act of God.

It was not a mistake.

It was her choice.

And she has to investigate the why's and how's of that before she can expect a commitment from you to continue the relationship. I write that not to be harsh to her, but to be protective of you. If she really wants to build a future with you, let that desire be the fuel that drives her efforts.

Your wife may not be able to go back and change history, but let her know that changing the future depends on her actions now.

And maybe your ongoing discussions here can help you identify what your needs are.

For your wife, what really counts is how she is going to change. And only she can prove that. Let her know that, because if she is genuine about wanting to stay with you, it will be a motivating force for her.

Lots of couple stay together after infidelity, but not all of them are healthy or positive. The aim is not just to stay together, but to do it in a way that will be positive and good for both of you.

For your wife, searching for a re-wind button that does not exist will not provide that. Examining why she did what she did may. And if she really is committed to change, the tears will all be worth it.

[This message edited by M1965 at 3:22 PM, April 13th (Saturday)]

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numb&dumb ( member #28542) posted at 4:31 PM on Monday, April 15th, 2019

The WW & I had a small argument on Thursday. I told her that I was still hurting & she wasn't doing anything to help. Told her I still need help. She cried for hours & told me she was so sorry for what she had done. She said that she suffers with her decision everyday & wishes she could change what she did but unfortunately she can't. She said that she doesn't believe in A & was sucked in but the sweet talk. She said that I am still the love of her life & she made a HUGH mistake by letting another man into her life sexually & mentally & it will NEVER happen again. She said the grass isn't greener on the other side & she was sorry! It felt sincere.

I have to caution you here. The recent path you have been taking needs to stay the course. Words are cheap. Words are even cheaper to someone who lies so effortlessly.

What do her actions tell you ? One crying jag and now she expects you to drop it ? Seriously. Ask her what if you had done the same ? What would make her be comfortable trusting you again ?

& it will NEVER happen again

I'd bet on your wedding day she never thought it would happen either. What is different this time ? What changes does she plan on making. Further what do her actions tell you ? Look at her actions. Is she at least being transparent with all of her devices and account from her time away from you ?

Until she focuses on her brokeness and character deficit she won't be a safe partner. She has to make changes if you want to feel safe enough to give her a second chance.

Look I am not saying you should be an asshole to her or anything like that, but you do need to stand firm. Hold your own boundaries. She is just as likely to cheat today as she was during her A. She might stop herself once or twice, but if she doesn't fix what is broken inside of her than it will always be a risk that she will do it again. You don't need to punish her, but she needs to feel the full consequences from the choices she made. She was not tricked into sending nudes of sleeping with OM. She choose to cross a line several times. She also choose to lie to you about it.

Ok, she can't change the past, but she can work on the future. She can be the wife you always dreamed of having. She has to want to and I'd bet all the money I have she still is not being honest with you. Not just details, but why she thought it would be OK to do this. I was sucked in is the surface reason. Plus it paints her as the victim. She is not a victim. She is the perpetrator. Read that line again. Remind her of that. Why she goes on the woe is mean crying fits. It is genuine, but don't be too satisfied. When she cries because how bad she has hurt you versus how bad she fucked up that is the beginning of remorse.

Have you thought about IC ?

I've seen this play out so many times I could write a book. She blames you. The she cries and makes all kind of promises that, even she on some level, knows she can't keep.

Stand your ground. She is on her way down. Let her fall. She needs to hit bottom before she will find the motivation to change.

[This message edited by numb&dumb at 10:32 AM, April 15th (Monday)]

Dday 8/31/11. EA/PA. Lied to for 3 years.

Bring it, life. I am ready for you.

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 1lostone (original poster new member #66363) posted at 5:33 PM on Monday, April 15th, 2019

ShutterHappy

"How to Help Your Spouse Heal from Your Affair"

I ordered the book will be here in a few days. She will have to read this book and I may read it myself just to see what it says.

Arthur

She is on Oxytocin and morphine as pain killers. The really bad ones I know and highly addictive. As far as a pain pump we don't have insurance so paying for everything out of pocket.

numb&dumb

Have you thought about IC?

She thinks an IC is not going to help her and it will not help if she don't do the homework. You have to want to change first. Not change for someone else. Her Mom & dad were very close to her and losing them has seemed to taken part of her with them.

I am trying to get us both back in church again as we have fallen out of church since the 3 miscarriages. We both are spiritually weak at this moment.

Thanks

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LivingWithPain ( member #60578) posted at 5:36 PM on Monday, April 15th, 2019

She said that she doesn't believe in A

I'm wondering if this came out wrong the way you wrote it, but if you meant this, then your wife must be delusional.

What do you mean she doesn't believe it was an affair? She either banged the guy or she didn't. There should be no question in her mind.

That's weird.

Me - 39; WW - 36
Married 13 years
1 Adopted Son age 18
Still married and living together: attempting to reconcile.

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 1lostone (original poster new member #66363) posted at 5:50 PM on Monday, April 15th, 2019

LivingWithPain

She said that she doesn't believe in A

What I meant was that we talked about A before the Marrage and she is totally against them. She said this is the first time cheating on anyone, Her ex husband cheated on her but she didn't find out about it until after the 1st married was over. that's totally different then finding out while you're still married. When I first found out she gave me a hall pass to go out and do the same but I told her that 2 wrongs don't make a right. I know she was just trying to deflect what she did and didn't really mean it or thought I wouldn't do it in the first place.

Thanks

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numb&dumb ( member #28542) posted at 6:18 PM on Monday, April 15th, 2019

She thinks an IC is not going to help her and it will not help if she don't do the homework.

I meant for you.

Dday 8/31/11. EA/PA. Lied to for 3 years.

Bring it, life. I am ready for you.

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LivingWithPain ( member #60578) posted at 8:18 PM on Monday, April 15th, 2019

What I meant was that we talked about A before the Marrage and she is totally against them. She said this is the first time cheating on anyone, Her ex husband cheated on her but she didn't find out about it until after the 1st married was over. that's totally different then finding out while you're still married. When I first found out she gave me a hall pass to go out and do the same but I told her that 2 wrongs don't make a right. I know she was just trying to deflect what she did and didn't really mean it or thought I wouldn't do it in the first place.

Thanks

Thank you for clarifying.

But what you are telling us is that she has felt the pain of being betrayed, yet didn't extend the same consideration to you when she was having her affair?

1lostone that makes no sense whatsoever.

Then she has the audacity to allow you a revenge affair? As if you have to have her permission? Don't you see how arrogant and manipulative that is?

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Married 13 years
1 Adopted Son age 18
Still married and living together: attempting to reconcile.

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anoldlion ( member #51571) posted at 8:09 AM on Tuesday, April 16th, 2019

Good call on the hall pass. It's a trap. I do wish you well.

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