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 greenirisheyes (original poster member #7983) posted at 2:23 AM on Saturday, May 9th, 2020

As you can see from my member number, I have been here a looong time. My husband had a two-year affair from 2000-2002 with a skank he met while participating in his hobby, which he is very serious about and still doing to this day.

Recently, he began to post on his Facebook page old videos of his hobby, some going back to that time frame. Sure enough, I’m watching one of them, and on it is his skank and her son. Our son was so upset about his dad’s relationship with her and HER son (whom he befriended), that he STILL doesn’t talk to him to this day. I wasn’t happy to see them, of course, but figured my husband forgot she was on there, so it was an honest oversight.

Come to find out from him, he KNEW they were on that video and didn’t think it should be a big deal to me to have to come across them and have all those horrible memories brought back up. I am livid that he had no compassion or insight that seeing her again would upset me.

I am seriously questioning my decision to stay with him. What kind of person does this? Was this some passive-aggressive jab at me? Does he really lack such insight that he genuinely thinks this is ok? Is he stupid? Does the reason even matter? I don’t want to be with any of those people.

Of course, he tried to make me feel I was over-reacting, before grudgingly apologizing when he realized I wasn’t buying his bullshit excuse. For me, I feel like a wall just slammed down tight, and I don’t want anything to do with him.

Am I crazy, being unreasonable, over-reacting? I’d like some insight here, please. Thank you.

Reconciled since 10/2002 Married 49 years - 2024!We're better then ever, but I won't be sending the skank a thank you card.

"We all wear masks, and the time comes when we cannot remove them without removing some of our own skin" –​ André Bert

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Thanksgiving2016 ( member #63462) posted at 3:10 AM on Saturday, May 9th, 2020

Oh hell no. I would let him know he just reset the timeline and he would need to explain in detail why he thinks that’s ok and what is going on in his head. I would also dig into his electronic devices to see what’s happening that I’m not aware of. Has he been in contact with her? At the very least she is on his mind for some reason. My alarm bells would be going crazy. How heartless.

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staystrong101 ( member #41068) posted at 3:31 AM on Saturday, May 9th, 2020

He’s an asshole. At the very least, he’s cruel and insensitive. I agree that he must be thinking of her. Could she be seeing his FB posts?

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 greenirisheyes (original poster member #7983) posted at 3:54 AM on Saturday, May 9th, 2020

Thank you Thanksgiving & Strong, I truly appreciate the responses. This has really thrown me for a loop, so much crap is coming back at me that I thought was long left behind.

We will be married 45 years this August and I am 64 years old, and I'm just over this bullshit.

Who the fuck is this person? Have I been kidding myself about who he is the past twenty plus years?

When this all went down, we had been married 26 years and I perseverated on the question of whether he'd always been an asshole or whether he'd turned into one at some point.

My girlfriend got aggravated with me trying to figure this dilemma out one day, and in exasperation, said to me, "What difference does it make? He's an asshole now!"

But it did make a difference to me. Because if he he'd always been an asshole, then I'd picked poorly (granted, I was 18 at the time. What the hell did I know?). If he'd turned into an asshole at some point during the marriage, it meant my picker wasn't bad, he'd just changed.

Perception is reality. Have I perceived him to be something he isn't. Is he something I haven't perceived?

I just feel totally shut down. Not crying, not sad. Angry, maybe, but mostly just resigned. Even if there is no fire attached to this smoke, I find myself unwilling to tolerate the lack of judgement, concern, caring, consideration and protection that I expect from someone who is supposed to love me. I deserve better.

Reconciled since 10/2002 Married 49 years - 2024!We're better then ever, but I won't be sending the skank a thank you card.

"We all wear masks, and the time comes when we cannot remove them without removing some of our own skin" –​ André Bert

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Thanksgiving2016 ( member #63462) posted at 4:56 AM on Saturday, May 9th, 2020

Wow this could be me in the future. Scary. How have the years between been? Has there been a major life change ? I wonder if he received a friend request or communication from her on Facebook. Personally I have banned any social media. Maybe he’s hoping she sees and reaches out? How did the affair end? Ugh I’m sick for you.

[This message edited by Thanksgiving2016 at 10:57 PM, May 8th (Friday)]

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Stevesn ( member #58312) posted at 6:21 AM on Saturday, May 9th, 2020

So what consequence do you think is proper for this recent choice he made. I have my ideas but you are the final arbiter of what happens in your life.

What are you thinking you’ll do.

fBBF. Just before proposing, broke it off after her 2nd confirmed PA in 2 yrs. 9 mo later I met the wonderful woman I have spent the next 30 years with.

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yellowledbetter ( member #70518) posted at 6:28 AM on Saturday, May 9th, 2020

Yep, he’s an asshole!

I am astounded by how many of us are dealing with assholes. It makes me wonder why we can’t just ditch these losers and be happy with a real man(or woman) and not look back?

It’s really mind boggling...🤦🏻‍♀️

Me: BW 54, WH 57
LTA, AP 20 yrs younger.
Married 35 yrs, together for 38
3 adult children
DDay Dec19/2018 Attempting Reconciliation….still.

~where there is deep grief, there was great love.

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SI Staff ( Moderator #10) posted at 11:06 AM on Saturday, May 9th, 2020

   Moving to General

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steadychevy ( member #42608) posted at 11:27 AM on Saturday, May 9th, 2020

He's an asshole. Through and through. I wonder if he did it with intent to punish you in some way and then act all innocent.

BH(me)72(now); XWW 64; M 42 yrsDDay1-01/09/13;DDay2-26/10/13;DDay3-19/12/13;DDay4-21/01/14LTA-09/02-06/06? OM - COW 4 years; "dates" w/3 lovers post engagement;ONS w/stranger post commitment, lies, lies, liesSeparated 23/09/2017; D 16/03/2020

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Lalagirl ( member #14576) posted at 11:27 AM on Saturday, May 9th, 2020

I find myself unwilling to tolerate the lack of judgement, concern, caring, consideration and protection that I expect from someone who is supposed to love me. I deserve better.

I agree!

I am 13 years out. If FWH were to bring up OW in any fashion, I would be done.

I would let him know he just reset the timeline

^^^THIS.

You're not crazy, and he's an asshole.

Hugs,

Lala

2025: Me-59 FWH-61 Married 41 years grown daughters- 41 & 37. 1 GS,11yo GD & 9yo GD (DD40); Five grands ages 15 to 8. D-day #1-1/06; D-day #2-3/07 Reconciled! Construction Complete. Astra inclinant, sed non obligant

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Marie2792 ( member #44958) posted at 12:47 PM on Saturday, May 9th, 2020

He’s an asshole. No one in his position should ever deliberately share anything with the AP in it. In fact, that. Idea should have been long erased. Is this his first idiotic move since healing began?

He has set you back and there should be a consequence to his stupidity.

Me: BS,48 (41 at dday)Him: WS, 56 (49 at dday)Married 27 years, together 30 Dday : 9/9/14 3 week PA

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cocoplus5nuts ( member #45796) posted at 1:17 PM on Saturday, May 9th, 2020

No, you are not crazy. Yes, he is just an asshole.

I had a similar incident with my H a few months ago. A year before that, I had decided we were reconciled. He had done so much work. Then, his old inconsiderate and self-centered behavior reared it's ugly head again. I decided I was done. He will always be a selfish, clueless asshole regardless of what he doesn. That's just who he is.

I now see all the little asshole behaviors every day. I can't stand it. He doesn't understand what the problem is. 🙄

Me(BW): 1970
WH(caveman): 1970
Married June, 2000
DDay#1 June 8, 2014 EA
DDay#2 12/05/14 confessed to sex before polygraph
Status: just living my life

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Stinger ( member #74090) posted at 1:21 PM on Saturday, May 9th, 2020

I vote asshole from the start. Must be torture married to such a person.

I am 66, free from a narcissist. Having the time of my life. Do not waste your remaining years.

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 greenirisheyes (original poster member #7983) posted at 3:28 PM on Saturday, May 9th, 2020

Thank you, all, for taking the time to respond.

Thanksgiving: I do not want to dig into his electronic devices. I did go through his wallet and pockets in the beginning and hated it. Not because I felt bad about it. I didn’t. But it isn’t who I am and I refuse to become someone I’m not, for him. I told him when we reconciled that if I ever felt the need to do that again, the marriage was over.

You asked how the years in between have been. They’ve been good, overall. We were separated for a year after I caught him at her house, began marriage counseling three months later, which he initiated after me begging for us to go and him refusing. We attended for a year and ‘graduated’. Our son never forgave him and they don’t talk which has been an issue between us, of course.

Sorry to scare you, Thanksgiving, but let’s face it, we go into reconciliation knowing it could turn bad at some point. That’s the risk we take, isn’t it?

There have been no major life changes that I’m aware of, but who the fuck knows?

The affair ended after I spent two years trying to catch him at her house because I knew he’d lie to our kids and make me sound crazy, if I didn’t have proof. I knocked on the door and the skank saw me through the window and wouldn’t answer. After several moments, he answered and said, “What can I do for you?” I told him he could get his ass home and explain to our children why he didn’t live there anymore. I then drove home, trashed his hobby room, threw his toys on the front lawn, and left him standing on the front porch for two hours before he finally gave up on getting in, and left. He showed up the next day with the state police (we have no police force in the small town we live in). He claims he went over to her house the next day to break up with her. He walked in, she said, “Is it over?” He said yes, she said, “Get out!” He claims he did. I knew none of this or even where he was staying, because I refused to talk to him about anything but the kids, the house, and money for several months. I assumed he had gone back to her house. He claims he went to his mother’s because he knew I’d never reconcile if he had gone back to her.

StayStrong: I don’t think she can see his Facebook posts because they are private.

Stevesn: Consequences? I told him if I ever suspected him of cheating on me again. He wouldn’t know that I know, until he got served with divorce papers at work, and not to come home because the locks would have already been changed. I don’t think he is cheating on me and I don’t think he has since the affair, but I’m tired and feeling numb and just ‘over it’. I told him twenty years ago that if I had to get him out of my life to get HER out of my life, I would do it. There have been uncomfortable situations through the years that I’ve had to deal with. Her son purposely got a job where my husband was employed at the time, so my husband had to go to his boss and tell him that he was quitting and why. The boss told him not to quit, that they would get rid of the son, and they did. I have been in the position of seeing the confusion on the face of one of his hobby buddies when I mentioned to him we’d been married X number of years and the buddy was mentally trying to figure out why he remembered seeing my husband with another woman on multiple occasions, for several of those years. I endured the uncomfortable situation of my husband telling an old female friend from high school that he ‘couldn’t’ friend her on Facebook because he doesn’t accept female friend requests (not my rule, by the way, his). But, because she is unaware of the affair, I looked like an insecure, overprotective, micromanaging wife. I resented that. And he didn’t correct that impression, either. I also endured the extreme discomfort of having the skank’s son approach me from behind, at a hobby location recently, asking to pet my dog, and when I turned around to face the voice, we realized who each other was, and it was extremely awkward.

I think I’ve been a fucking trooper through all this. He has, for the most part, been supportive and we talked all these incidents through, and I didn’t blame him for them because he didn’t initiate or cause those situations. Posting a video with her in it was done by him, not anyone else. When I thought he did it unknowingly, I accepted it, but became outraged when he said he knew she was in it but it was a long time ago and I should be over it by now. Fuck him.

I’d love to hear what you think are appropriate consequences, Stevesn.

SteadyChevy: I am wondering the same damn thing. He is passive-aggressive and manipulative. I often feel like I am holding my hand up and saying Stop! I won’t be manipulated by you. I think the affair was passive-aggressive, and maybe this was, too.

Lala: I am feeling done, as well. The only other option I see, is if he agrees to go into counseling and figures out why he is manipulative and passive-aggressive.

Marie: Yes, this is the first time, HE has been responsible for rubbing my nose in it, so to speak. But, if you read above, there have been other situations where it has happened. What do you think is a reasonable consequence?

Coco: If you don’t mind me asking, are you staying with him and just living out your life? I am feeling oddly disassociated and done with him.

Stinger: I know the passive-aggressiveness and manipulative behaviors come from childhood. His mother was very difficult to deal with. I am also a strong personality, while he is a strong B type personality. Something, I feel, we both sought out in the other (even at our young ages). He knows I get shit done and he doesn’t have to be the bad guy. He was the good-time Charlie with our kids, too. For my part, I know if I married someone like me, we’d implode. He balances me and helps keep me calm. We are good in a lot of ways, not so much in others.

Reconciled since 10/2002 Married 49 years - 2024!We're better then ever, but I won't be sending the skank a thank you card.

"We all wear masks, and the time comes when we cannot remove them without removing some of our own skin" –​ André Bert

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Tallgirl ( member #64088) posted at 3:52 PM on Saturday, May 9th, 2020

I agree that he is acting like an asshole.

After so long, I question how stupid he is. This was surely stupid. But he knows the deal, sounds like he justified posting it.. he knew it would hurt you, nor did he ask you if you were ok with it, he just did it.

His reasoning, I thought it wouldn’t bother you screams of wayward thinking - self justification and thoughtlessness.

Is he all these things? Is he a typical asshole? Is he stupid? Or is he angry about something? What is he thinking about.

I’d hall his ass into a counselling session because this below the belt behaviour is being caused by something.

I am sorry for all the things you have endured. It isn’t fair and he caused all that shit. You sound incredibly strong. I admire your strength.

I am heading for divorce, but I will say one thing. I will still have those awkward moments and the hurt. But I get to deal with them alone. I don’t know what is better, quite honestly. The scars from infidelity are permanent. At least for me.

Irish, I really would like to kick your husband in the ass. I hope karma does.

Big hugs

Standing tall

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gmc94 ( member #62810) posted at 6:20 PM on Saturday, May 9th, 2020

even if there is no fire attached to this smoke, I find myself unwilling to tolerate the lack of judgement, concern, caring, consideration and protection that I expect from someone who is supposed to love me. I deserve better.

Yes, you do. We ALL do.

I would let him know he just reset the timeline

Yup.

But (yeah, I know "but" is a 4-letter word), the issue is the consequences. It's the lack of judgment, concern, and EMPATHY (NOT a 4-letter word) for the results of his choices. It is astounding that he doesn't "get" that this IS a BFD and it will be FOREVER. "No contact" means NO contact - ever again.

I am feeling oddly disassociated and done with him.

This sounds normal.

he tried to make me feel I was over-reacting, before grudgingly apologizing when he realized I wasn’t buying his bullshit excuse.

This isn't OK. My concern is that at his age and ALL these years later, is he really willing to do the hard deep dives needed to change this lack of judgment and empathy? To rewire his thinking - esp such that it doesn't require ANY intervention from you? Has he spent the past nearly 20 years in a form of white knuckling?

I'm just so doggone sorry this is rearing is very ugly head again.

M >25yrs/grown kids
DD1 1994 ONS prostitute
DD2 2018 exGF1 10+yrEA & 10yrPA... + exGF2 EA forever & "made out" 2017
9/18 WH hung himself- died but revived

It's rude to say "I love you" with a mouthful of lies

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cocoplus5nuts ( member #45796) posted at 6:28 PM on Saturday, May 9th, 2020

Coco: If you don’t mind me asking, are you staying with him and just living out your life?

For now. I'm comfortable and relatively content. I have no desire to work and struggle to pay Bill's and take care of my boys. My boys are happy.

I'm emotionally detached from my H. Except for the occasional annoyance, I don't really care about him or what he's doing.

Me(BW): 1970
WH(caveman): 1970
Married June, 2000
DDay#1 June 8, 2014 EA
DDay#2 12/05/14 confessed to sex before polygraph
Status: just living my life

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Thanksgiving2016 ( member #63462) posted at 7:52 PM on Saturday, May 9th, 2020

I always appreciate someone posting years later to remind me of all the possibilities. I’m glad you came here to help think this out. Another problem I would have with this is the fact he still had the video. After DDAY I told my husband to get rid of anything connected to her. If I found out he had a video I would lose my shit. Weird the son wanting to work where he does makes me think they have kept in contact. I dig through his shit to know where I stand. I admit it’s been a while and I don’t want to be the marriage police but I consider it a necessity that keeps my eyes open.

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nekonamida ( member #42956) posted at 10:24 PM on Saturday, May 9th, 2020

Green, a good consequence is the 180 for starters. Take some space from him. A good boundary would be requiring him to get IC in order for you to stay married to him. If he won't or doesn't do it, you have your answer on how the rest of your marriage is going to go. If at any point you are done, it's okay. Be done. Take the steps necessary to disentangle his life from yours. It doesn't matter how much time has passed or how good his behavior was up until now. You don't owe him the marriage and you especially don't owe him anything if he continues to be a passive aggressive asshole and isn't doing anything to change that.

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mchercheur ( member #37735) posted at 11:28 PM on Saturday, May 9th, 2020

Hi greenirisheyes,

Agree with the others above. He is an ASSHOLE.

Obviously, whether or not it was unintentional, he just did not care what his actions would do to you.

After all of these years, and after you gave him the gift of R, is that acceptable to you?

I am exactly your age, am 9 years out, and am in a similar position.

Me: BW; Him: WH --Had 10 mo. EA/ PA with COW; Dday 5/2011 Married 35 years/Together 36 years/4 kids together, and 1 grandbaby; OW 20 years younger than us/divorced no kids Trying to R; don't know what the final outcome will be

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