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wonderingbull ( member #14833) posted at 7:02 AM on Sunday, September 5th, 2010

Nope.... Utter and complete bullshit...

There are hundreds of thousands of people among the billions on this earth that we could and can have very successful and happy relationship with.

WB

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Syzy ( member #15190) posted at 7:42 AM on Sunday, September 5th, 2010

This is a complicated question that gets into spiritual territory that probably isn't the best suited for this forum.

I will say this though I've met two people I'm positive I've known before this life. One is my best friend and the other became the love of my life. It wasn't an instantaneous "soulmate" thing as in there is no other and she is the only one ever for me, it was an "oh my it's you! I know you" moment. And it really caught me off guard and it never ceased feeling that way.

Now with that said I don't believe there is only one person for someone type of thing and I often believe when people say there is a "connection" or a soulmate thing its BS. I certainly think its total crap when the two parties are engaging in cheating and lying.

I don't think a person with whom one has a genuine soul connection helps you do shitty things unto others.

[This message edited by Syzy at 1:43 AM, September 5th (Sunday)]

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R - what's that.
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ladyvorkosigan ( member #8283) posted at 11:11 AM on Sunday, September 5th, 2010

Well...

I think that we click with certain people, and sometimes folks confuse that with a "soulmate" concept. When you click with someone who is a viable sexual candidate for you and vice versa, that's probably where it comes from. I completely click with another woman I work with, and if I clicked with a guy like I click with her, there'd be a problem.

I don't find it a useless concept in a long term relationship, though. I think lord_v and I have perhaps come to be something soulmatish, in that we've seen all of each other and as new aspects of us arrive we witness that as well. That leads me to even more confusion wrt how someone can leave a long term relationship for a "soulmate" of three weeks of acquaintance. Trust me, if you can be married for 20 years and not feel soulmatey about *them*, yet you can feel it for someone you met and fell in love with *in less time than it takes me to complete an ovulation cycle*, your soul doesn't have what it takes to be any other soul's mate.

IMO.

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It nagged him, in particular, that none of the girls he’d known so far had given him a sense of unalloyed triumph.

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bigpicture3236 ( member #27861) posted at 2:26 PM on Sunday, September 5th, 2010

I wouldn't say that I believe in soulmates, but I do believe in a deep connection and includes a committed love, respect and attraction.

WH told MOW during the PA two years ago that they were 'meant to be together', said it was 'karma' that they met. Maybe for him; she wouldn't leave her BH for him when push came to shove. But, she still won't give him up either, still won't leave him alone so he can get over her...

We are D'ing.

If you love something and hurt it dearly, then chose not to fix it...you never deserved it in the first place.

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trumanshow ( member #25624) posted at 2:28 PM on Sunday, September 5th, 2010

Not anymore

remarried 11-15-15

Her prize is a man who ran out on his wife and children. His is a woman who is too stupid to understand that she is not special, she is simply there.

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romanticidiot ( member #28655) posted at 3:44 PM on Sunday, September 5th, 2010

Do souls mate? Do they have baby souls when they do that?

Nope - most times "soul mate" is just something people use to justify illicit lust.

A couple can be very compatible in an honest, committed relationship. But that happens due to working on the relationship, compromising, being empathetic and honest and generally doing things in this REAL world to make it work. It has nothing to do with souls.

"When you're going through Hell, keep going." -Churchill

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lilac18 ( member #25180) posted at 4:50 PM on Sunday, September 5th, 2010

Do I believe in:

Soulmates...no

Love at first site...no.

But, my beliefs are based on my definition of love and soul mates. People can define these terms in various ways, so for them perhaps these concepts exist. Personally, I belive they are a load of crap.

I believe in attraction at first site. But to me love is something much more complex that what people feel and call "love at first site". The first time I saw my husband, I was attracted to him and wanted to get to know him better. Yes, there were feelings there, but not love.

When FWH was still foggy, our MC gave a nice description of what happens with our brain chemistry when we meet someone who we are attracted to and how those chemicals make us feel "in love". It was a real eye opener to hear how these naturally produced chemicals affect the brain the same way as other artifical chemicals and drugs.

As for soul mates, I think this is an idea that has been put out there by romantics and poets that has caused far more problems than good. Over and over we see on this site people using "soulmates" as an excuse for perpetrating some really ugly behavior.

I find this idea that we have to find our soulmate so sad. That somehow you're just not complete unless you find that one magical person to spend the rest of your life with. The idea also disrepects commitment and marriage which, as anyone who really has a successful marriage knows, is based on hard work and compromise, not some magical destiny to live happily ever after.

I've also watched my SIL over and over again meet a guy and say how he's her soulmate and within 3 months of this proclamation, her "soulmate" has crapped all over her. She's so desperate to find someone and has been poisoned by this idea of a soulmate, that even though she goes through the same dysfunctional relationship choices and behavior over and over again, she doesn't see that it takes much more than being attracted to each other and having a few things in common to make a true mate.

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somer222 ( member #21377) posted at 4:52 PM on Sunday, September 5th, 2010

I used to. Not anymore.

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SoHappyNow ( member #8923) posted at 7:01 PM on Sunday, September 5th, 2010

Just to clarify a bit, if possible:

"Soulmate" does not necessarily mean that you

a) Fell in love at first sight.

b) Are an incomplete person without the presence of the soulmate in your life.

I'm married to my soulmate, who is very imperfect as am I, and we are both complete people. We did NOT fall in love at first sight.

In the depths of winter I finally learned there was in me an invincible summer..Albert Camus--------73 now. Dday #1 was 11/11/05 ***Used to be hit-by-a-train*** Widowed, then VERY happily remarried 2/14/14

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StillGoing ( member #28571) posted at 7:09 PM on Sunday, September 5th, 2010

I believe in true love.

I do not believe in an obscure supernatural extension binding two individuals across infinity. I suppose quantum physics could someday prove me wrong but it seems an awfully big and enduring universe to play house for what amounts to a long and heartfelt kiss that instead of fading to black segues into dirty dishes and grumpy children at 3 am.

Tempus Fuckit.

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7yearitch ( new member #28476) posted at 7:17 PM on Sunday, September 5th, 2010

I used to. I stopped believing in that before d-day though. I just wanted so much to believe in fairy tale happy endings...then the real world slapped me in the face. Now I just want to believe that it is possible to be happy with someone and stay happy with them long term.

Me: BS
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vtach ( member #27639) posted at 7:22 PM on Sunday, September 5th, 2010

Nope

me 48
wh 63
1st DD Thanksgiving day 2009
2nd DD 12/27
3rd DD 3/5/10

We are a work in progress...

Tho I'm fully aware, of your desperate despair, I'm still charmed by the words that you say...Jaron and the Long Road to Love

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luvedmypbear ( member #25690) posted at 7:23 PM on Sunday, September 5th, 2010

I married my soulmate.

Then, he lost his soul.

We are no longer married but I will always love him and know he is my soulmate. If he finds his soul, we may have a place to start R.

He lost his soul in war, btw, not because of his terrible choices with the PA and lying.

luvedmypbear didn’t care what you thought. She knew she was a badass.

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refuz2bavictim ( member #27176) posted at 7:29 PM on Sunday, September 5th, 2010

I don't know, if I would want to to define my relationship in parameters that would allow someone to "rip" it apart based on the term.

I know that FG and I met under unusual circumstances. We should in fact have never even met nor spoken again. Call it. Happenstance, circumstance, fate, kismet, coincidence, accident, a series of random events...call it what you want, I love our "love story".

I also know that we think of the same word at the same time, often saying it aloud. Call each other at the same time and one of us is suddenly on the line saying "hey how'd you get there, I was just calling you"

We think of the same ideas and one of us will verbalize it.

Maybe it's because we have been together a while.

I don't know and don't want to defend something that I can't and maybe don't even believe in. But I do believe in...something bigger than what we can make sense of. I don't know what to call it.

But damnit after all I have been through, If I want to believe in a silly fairy tale idea, I will. True it's an idea I've had to "modify" to meet my new learning experiences with infidelity, but I want to hold onto this one last tale as if it were magic. I get that it's not rational. I strongly believe that love is a choice...yet on the other hand I just want to believe in that one little bit of magic left in the world, it makes me happy.

[This message edited by refuz2bavictim at 1:38 PM, September 5th (Sunday)]

Foresight is 2020

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dreamlife ( member #8142) posted at 7:30 PM on Sunday, September 5th, 2010

You know, I was completely in the grip of LIMERENCE back in 2002 and I really believed that WH was indeed my 'soulmate".

~XWH told me what I wanted to hear but he always did whatever he wanted to do~

"He called me a bitch.
I called him an ambulance."
Linda H.)

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icbtih8 ( member #23797) posted at 9:49 PM on Sunday, September 5th, 2010

But damnit after all I have been through, If I want to believe in a silly fairy tale idea, I will...it makes me happy.

Interesting perspective

D-day #1 - April 29, 2009

Beauty is a calling...a call "to transfigure what has harden or was wounded within you"
-- John O'Donohue

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BorrowTrouble ( member #2435) posted at 10:12 PM on Sunday, September 5th, 2010

I think we are lucky in that the universe has given us many people with whom our soul can bond, not just one.

I believe there is always another someone out there for us if we are open and willing to look for them.

ETA: I should probably specify that we should only bond with one at a time, right?

[This message edited by BorrowTrouble at 4:13 PM, September 5th (Sunday)]

D-day 7/29/04.

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refuz2bavictim ( member #27176) posted at 11:08 PM on Sunday, September 5th, 2010

icbtih8

I guess I should have elaborated...but I do really try to keep my thoughts as short as I can. I suspect that my ability to express myself in writing is completely hampered by the fact that I see my thoughts and ideas in images that are difficult to explain. I am constantly trying to translate those images into words. It can take me a several tries to articulate what I want to say.

I had 2 trains of thought when I wrote my response. And they probably get overly philosophical.

The first being my desire to always hold on to hope. Losing hope would be the worst thing that could happen to me. (and it did for a short while) It's the common thread that holds people together and keeps them alive in their darkest hour...No matter what their darkest hour may deliver.

It was also referencing the idea that I had to find a way to marry together two parts of myself. Idealist vs. Realist.

How could I possibly exist as both an idealist and a realist in the same body? How could I make the two exist together in me at one time.

Pre A, I was no doubt an idealist. A dreamer, trying to live in world where realism reigns supreme. This doesn't mean that I am not a logical or analytical thinker, because I am. But generally speaking realists have a hard time with people like me and have rarely missed an opportunity to remind me how fantastically stupid my ideas are or my thoughts that things could be should be better than they are. I always wanted to fix things BEFORE they were broken, not after the fact. I was told to accept things as they are not as they could be. I was a pain in the ass.

But then came Dday. A big fat slap in the face of reality, or better yet a realistic kick in the ass. I became a realist in a hell of hurry. Hope went out the window and that window shut with nothing but a pinhole sized opening left. My world went dark. The world could have ended in nuclear war, or a hail of brimstone and fire. I cared not at all for anything that had been important in my former life. I am sure the mods could dig up my hellfire and damnation posts. I felt so dark so ugly so vile...so poisoned. I lived like this for a almost a year. So you can imagine the war that was going on inside of me. The realist in my head was relentless. I was at war with myself. I told my therapist that I didn't want to lose my "idealist" side, but that I could never see the world in the same way. I had been wrong...so very very wrong all along. My whole life a waste of time.

Over time I came to see that the realist in me, who knows that life is the result of a series of choices also knows that I can choose to revive that other side that seems to oppose all that is "real". I can CHOOSE to believe in what little bit of magic might still exist in the world. And by magic I am referring to love...in the most idealistic of ways. I can choose this. So I do.

Not blind, fantasy limerence, but the magic you can create for yourself.

It's probably why I love to read books like Oliver Twist and David Copperfield. Out of all that is difficult dark and wrong, something good can come.

Isn't life always a matter of perspective? I have chosen mine and I have chosen to commit to it the way I have to my M. It's my commitment to myself that I will keep viewing the world from a perspective of hope. I probably just tempted fate saying that...shit!

Anyway, that's why after all I have been through, if I can choose to hold onto hope and to reconcile the parts of myself that are in conflict. I am making a conscious choice to love this person. I will choose to believe in love albeit in a slightly altered way.

Soulmates? I don't know.

Long suffering true love that survived the worst possible situation that should have resulted its certain death? I am holding onto hope for that.

Foresight is 2020

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KathrynS ( member #24173) posted at 11:29 PM on Sunday, September 5th, 2010

Used to, years ago.

I don't believe in it anymore. At all.

Me - BW, 33
Him - WH, 37
D-day 05/26/09
Married 13 years, together for 15
5 y/o DS and 1.5 year old DS

Status: DIVORCING

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"Truth is beautiful, without doubt; but so are lies." -- Ralph Waldo Emerson

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Mr. Kite ( member #28840) posted at 3:03 AM on Wednesday, September 8th, 2010

Hopeless romantics yearn for soul mates

Study finds their bliss won't last

It's a theme that appears in thousands of movies, books and musicals: Boy meets girl. They fall in love, marry and live happily ever after. Soul mates forever.

Fully two-thirds of Americans believe in the concept of soul mates, where "two people are destined to be together," according to a recent Marist Poll.

But a new study offers an important reality check about unions formed in a whirlwind of passion.

"Soul mate" couples are often happy at first, because they have intense emotional and personal connections, said W. Bradford Wilcox, lead author of the article in the Sept. 1 issue of Social Science Research.

But their unions are at high risk for disenchantment and divorce because it's hard to sustain such intensity in a long-term relationship, he said.

Instead, couples who have the best chance for lasting happiness are those who are strongly attentive and affectionate with each other (like soul-mate couples) but also believe that marriage is lifelong, and that they should be part of larger social and religious networks.

"In a word, the more spouses embrace the married state, and the institutional norms that go with it, the more they enjoy it," wrote Mr. Wilcox, a sociology professor at the University of Virginia and director of the National Marriage Project.

Most Americans are in love with the "soul mate" idea, however.

In May, for instance, Alex and Donna Voutsinas of Boynton Beach, Fla., put their marriage story on Facebook, and it quickly spread through major news outlets.

The Voutsinases first realized they had a "kismet" story in 2002, when they were preparing a photo presentation for their wedding. Donna found a picture of herself, age 5, standing at Disney World with family members. In the background was a tall man pushing a stroller with a toddler in it.

When Alex looked at the picture, he recognized the "tall man" as his father — and the child in the stroller as himself, at age 3.

The couple confirmed the identities after Alex went through his old family photos and found some with himself and his father at Disney World in the same clothes as the man and child in Donna's photo.

The Voutsinases had long amazed their friends with their story, but it took "the magic of the Internet" and major news media to send it around the world, United Press International reported.

Researchers at Marist College in Poughkeepsie, N.Y., noticed the Voutsinases' story and decided to poll 1,004 adults on love, marriage and soul mates.

The Voutsinases' story was intriguing as a pop-culture topic, "and we thought it was kind of a neat idea to ask Americans — and married Americans — if they believe in the concept of soul mates," said Mary Azzoli, media director of the Marist College Poll. The poll defined soul mates as "two people who are destined to be together," she added.

The results were highly romantic: Two-thirds of Americans said they believed in the idea of soul mates.

People living in the South, compared with other regions, were most likely to believe in soul mates, and women were more likely than men to believe in soul mates, 69 percent to 63 percent.

The biggest "soul mate" approval came from people ages 18 to 29, with 73 percent believing in soul mates, compared with 62 percent of those 60 and older.

Marist College researchers didn't ask the 530 married respondents whether they married their soul mates, but did query them on "Do you think you married the right person or not?" They got a resounding yes from 95 percent of respondents.

Again, they found significant differences by region and age.

In the South, Midwest and West, between 96 percent and 97 percent of spouses were sure they had married the "right person," but in the Northeast, only 90 percent thought they had married correctly, with a whopping 10 percent answering "no" to the "right person" question.

Age also made a difference. An astonishing 100 percent of spouses ages 18 to 29 said they married the right person, and older spouses (in the 45-59 and 60-and-older age brackets) were also confident they had married correctly, with 97 percent and 96 percent agreeing, respectively.

But those in the 30-44 age bracket were a tad wobbly, with 92 percent saying they had married the right person and 8 percent saying they had not.

For their newly published paper, Mr. Wilcox and colleague Jeffrey Dew examined data on about 1,400 married men and women in the Louisiana Marriage Matters project. Many of these spouses were in the state's hard-to-dissolve covenant marriages.

Mr. Wilcox and Mr. Dew found that couples with "soul mate" orientations about marriage were 150 percent more likely to divorce, compared with those who held more traditional or religious views.

But Mr. Wilcox and Mr. Dew also found that just holding traditional views of marriage — with the breadwinner father and the stay-at-home mother — didn't bring happiness for many modern couples either.

Instead, the happiest marriages were a hybrid of "new" and "old," Mr. Wilcox and Mr. Dew wrote. These couples, they said, combined "a proper appreciation for the expressive dimension of married life" (such as qualities of passionate soul-mate marriage) with elements of tried-and-true marriages, such as "lifelong commitment, lifelong fidelity" and connections to children, community and religion.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2010/sep/6/hopeless-romantics-yearn-for-soul-mates/

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