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20/20 Hindsight--What I wish I'd done

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making it ( member #4013) posted at 3:36 PM on Saturday, June 2nd, 2007

Katherine,

This is hands down one of the best posts I've ever seen on SI. It would have saved me more grief than you can imagine if I had read it soon after Dday...

I spent 2 years trying to reconcile with someone who would give me just enough to keep me hanging on...but after the fact, I found out that he was still seeing the OW.

False reconciliation is much worse than divorce...I've done both. Neither are easy...but False reconciliation keeps you living in hell and uncertainty.

This is wonderful!!! I wish I had this advice in 2003.

Thanks so much,

Make

If nothing ever changed, there would be no butterflies. I made it!!!

Have you thanked your Fleas today?

He was misbehavin', so I had to kill him!!!!! LOL






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sharim ( member #11937) posted at 3:42 PM on Saturday, June 2nd, 2007

FANTASTIC POST!!!! At 2 1/2 years out - I couldn't agree more.

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So Naive ( member #5220) posted at 6:22 PM on Saturday, June 2nd, 2007

This should be posted where newbies can get it.

It would save a lot of marriages, in my opinion. What I've seen over and over here, is the understandable tendency to tolerate the affair, in the HOPE that WS will come around.

No. And I would add that I wouldn't give WS one month. I gave mine one MINUTE. Her or me, pick.

It did take another 5 weeks for me to formulate the rest of my conditions, which I then demanded, and got. I wish I had this knowledge first.

But some things just take time to figure out. The key is to figure it out before it's too late. Many of our WS's cheat because they figure they CAN. Make it so they CAN'T.

sn

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faie ( member #7222) posted at 11:42 PM on Saturday, June 2nd, 2007

I wish I had told OW's H. Everytime I said I was going to, My WH said I was being vindictive. Now, after several ddays, and now not believing WH, it seems too late to tell him. The last contact between the two F------s was 1 1/2 years ago.

It still bothers me.

Married 34 years. 4 adult children
Dday 4-3-05

Is this a test? I never went to class, so how can I pass it?
Want to live again

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GAmom ( member #8297) posted at 3:42 AM on Sunday, June 3rd, 2007

Just adding a BUMP to keep this on the 1st page...

Me: BW, 30 - Him: NPDXH, 33
2 boys, age 2 and 1
Ongoing pattern of deception
Unlimited # of OW & A's
*** DIVORCED, FINALLY! ***

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mom of 2 ( member #11214) posted at 3:46 AM on Sunday, June 3rd, 2007

I agree this is an awesome post! I also have to agree with a previous poster, that one month is too long, but I digress. Still the best advice for newbies EVER!

Thanks, katherine!

Me: BW
Divorced after 23 years of M thanks to XH's truth trickle.
Status: Recovering and healing. It's going to be a long hard road.

Update November 2013: It only took seven years but I finally turned a corner. :)

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suspiciousmind ( member #254) posted at 4:58 AM on Sunday, June 3rd, 2007

I would add to be blunt with the WS and state the obvious, since the obvious seems to go over their fogged-up, addled brains.

State these facts over and over again in the first month, to let them know the ideas going through their heads are nonsense:

1. You WILL have to choose one of us, and the clock is ticking. And that is because...

2. I will never accept a "don't ask, don't tell" marriage and am not as pathetic or immoral as she (the OW - or OM if the BS is the husband) is to be willing to share.

3. If you are waiting for me to calm down to be able to resume your affair and go deeper undercover, that won't happen. If your affair resumes, eventually I will find out because I am no longer naive about who you are or the level of deceit and dishonesty you can sink to.

4. Your actions will speak for your decisions even if your mouth never says them. If you keep seeing her, then your actions will have made the decision to divorce even if I become the first to fill out the paperwork. If you go around telling others that I kicked you out, then I will correct that misstatement to say that you dating OW left me no choice, and therefore, the decision to divorce was yours.

5. If we divorce, that's it.

I will not remain your best friend, fix your car, do your errands, or serve Thanksgiving dinner to you and the OP singing happy songs around the holiday table even for the sake of the children. Once you're gone, you are out of my life entirely except on a "need to know" basis about the kids' schedule, and preferably that can be done by e-mail.

6. If you walk out, then you you need to get a place for kids to visit you, since you will not be hanging around this house evenings and weekends, pretending to yourself that hanging around on a Saturday afternoon and mowing the lawn makes up for the fact you looked for a replacement for your spouse and found one.

7. You are either with her or you are not. There is no in-between: no e-mails, calls, lunches, dinners, coffee or kiss and grope sessions in parks or hotels or anyplace else with the OP.

A BS incredibly, mind-boggling callous that they actually believe a BS will step aside gracefully, will screw him occasionally for old times sakes (or to the female OW, she will expect to keep getting money and having car or household repairs done by BS.

The reason to say this stuff early is that most have the idea of going underground and keeping both.

And it NEVER hurts to let them know you have a Web group of formerly cheated-upon, or had loved ones cheated upon, to offer you support-group members to warn you should his actions appear to be an attempt to deceive you.

[This message edited by suspiciousmind at 10:11 AM, June 3rd (Sunday)]

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OnlyLonely ( member #14326) posted at 2:48 PM on Sunday, June 3rd, 2007

I first read your post right after dday and it did help me so much. I was planning on doing the one month of fog sitting, I then got wishy washy and was going to give him 6 months. yeah I was insane. during that first week I decided screw this and left. your post is 100% right on!

Me: BS
Him: FWH
Married: 18 years

Status: In R

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punky ( member #12233) posted at 7:42 PM on Sunday, June 3rd, 2007

5. If we divorce, that's it.

Feel this way, too. My H thinks it is just bluffing. I do feel strongly about it.

13 years later...finally healed. Definitely survived and thrived and you can, too.

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GAmom ( member #8297) posted at 4:16 AM on Monday, June 4th, 2007

*Bump* for Broken8 (and any other newbies) to easily find... May you avoid the mistakes so many of us have made...

Me: BW, 30 - Him: NPDXH, 33
2 boys, age 2 and 1
Ongoing pattern of deception
Unlimited # of OW & A's
*** DIVORCED, FINALLY! ***

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SCORNED ( member #6301) posted at 7:21 AM on Monday, June 4th, 2007

5. If we divorce, that's it.

If My H thinks that I would want to R after I went to the trouble of D'vcing him .....he is sadly mistaken.

"The cruelest lies are often told in silence."

Robert Louis Stevenson

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unicornsearcher ( member #912) posted at 2:29 AM on Thursday, June 7th, 2007

11/02 Busted WH 4+ cheating yrs, 11/06 Busted [Month Long Lustfest]. 2/1/08 admits false version of betrayals, so no full disclosure / "whole truth" yet. '09 Together, great work in progress. '12 Still gladly united.

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 katherine41 (original poster member #5792) posted at 12:32 AM on Sunday, June 17th, 2007

bumping myself.

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lostsuol ( member #13706) posted at 6:38 AM on Sunday, June 17th, 2007

I'm copying, pasting and sending to myself so I can print it out and have it to read at my leisure.

Thx Katherine!

Still a struggle...

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k9lover1 ( member #8531) posted at 10:05 PM on Monday, June 18th, 2007

Bump for the newbies

D-Day was 10/9/05
He promised NC. He lied. After 4 chances, I kicked him out 1/05/06.
Since then I have survived cancer surgery and a heart attack.
Now he's sorry, but it's too late. He died an alcoholic on 9/5/17.

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dreamlife ( member #8142) posted at 7:36 AM on Wednesday, June 20th, 2007

Well, since we met online in 02:

Met his relatives & friends.

Spoke to XW as I told him I would...but never did till recently (and, oh, what a revelation that was! )

VERIFIED everything he told me instead of blindly trusting him because I was so "in love" and trusted him.

Made a list of all/potential RED Flags and explored each one thoroughly.

Keylogged his ass IMMEDIATELY.

Read "ManReaders" by Bonnie Kaye.

Thnx, k41!

~XWH told me what I wanted to hear but he always did whatever he wanted to do~

"He called me a bitch.
I called him an ambulance."
Linda H.)

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dreamlife ( member #8142) posted at 2:40 PM on Wednesday, June 20th, 2007

bumping for newbies~

~XWH told me what I wanted to hear but he always did whatever he wanted to do~

"He called me a bitch.
I called him an ambulance."
Linda H.)

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NoControl ( member #14961) posted at 2:45 PM on Wednesday, June 20th, 2007

katherine41- thank you for this post! I printed it a few days ago and keep it in my purse- reading it over and over.

Thank you for sharing your hard-earned wisdom with me & please keep these posts coming!

1 more vote for putting this in the healing library (please)!

"I Became Insane With Long Intervals of Horrible Sanity" -E.A. Poe

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LifeisNow ( member #14525) posted at 3:13 PM on Wednesday, June 20th, 2007

Excellent Post!

Me: BS Him: XH Divorce Final 10-07
1 Son: 5 yrs old
Married: 16 YRS Together: 20 YRS (HS Sweethearts)
"Love is giving someone the ability to hurt you, but trusting them not to!"

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usedup ( member #11701) posted at 3:21 PM on Wednesday, June 20th, 2007

this is one of the best ever here.

agian all I can say is the same as before,keep your mouth shut and get proof,solid proof or they will gas you for as long as you will take it.It would have saved sooooo much grief on my part.

I agree totally with other posters--pick now,if I D you I'm done,--and another thing that I am sure is in here,if they work with AP--new job hunt immediately and as much time off as they can take till then.

Katherine you did a fantastic thing here,it needs to be in the library.

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