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wk55hn ( member #44159) posted at 5:24 PM on Saturday, March 28th, 2015

As far as I know, and I do not know much, but as far as I know, she first talked to POS about 6 months ago when she “happened to run into him” at a fast food place.

Now, to tell you what an idiot I am. I happened to run into the both of them on that same day. Incidentally.

I don't believe in coincidence. I know that it happens, but it's like a million in one. You can pretty much guarantee that she's been planning to meet up on this guy on that particular person. It WAS coincidence that you met them. That alone is a million in one chance. Now on top of that that she was meeting her unplanned for the first time since childhood adding your million in one on top of her million in one? Not likely. I don't like when the cheaters try to play their spouses a fool with ridiculous stories of "coincidences."

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solus sto ( member #30989) posted at 5:32 PM on Saturday, March 28th, 2015

(((DoneGone))) I'm so sorry for your pain.

I don't have any idea how your life will look when you get through this. I do know that you will get through it.

It doesn't feel like it, but you will.

But I'm damn sorry you have to. No one ever should have to navigate these treacherous waters.

ETA: that she's involved your daughters in the way she has (not that they've been told, as I think that's important, but that she's enlisted them, before YOU have the whole story, to pressure you) is egregiously inappropriate.

You don't have the whole story. I 100% guarantee that an unfaithful spouse (and you do know, already, that she is one of these) who EVER uses the word "crazy" toward his/her BS and suggests that the BS is the one who needs to get his/her head straight is an unfaithful spouse who is still harboring secrets and lies.

She's keeping her secrets and lies to protect herself. She's keeping her secrets and lies to protect her AP, even if his wife "knows." (We all know that the OBS only knows what the two people who betrayed her chose to tell her. But really, this is a peripheral matter.)

SHE IS LYING because ...well, because her secrets and lies are more important to her than you are, right now.

This may change. It may not. That she's not in the house, but remains less than forthcoming, is discouraging. If she wants to remain married, she needs to get proactive, fast.

I'd suggest that one way she can demonstrate her intent to do the hard work to R is to have a polygraph.

I'd also point out that, regardless of the results of any test or confession, you are not obligated to remain married.

Do you want to know the truth? Do you want to find out what you actually have to work with? (I'm not being snarky. When I asked myself this question, for a very long time the answer was no. I genuinely could not take any more for a while. And as it turns out, I was never afforded the opportunity to learn anything more than the little I found out on my own. That, too, is survivable---but I'd argue that it's not survivable within the context of a continuing marriage. Rug-sweeping really does not work.)

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BS-me, 62; X-irrelevant; we’re D & NC. "So much for the past and present. The future is called 'perhaps,' which is the only possible thing to call the future. And the important thing is not to let that scare you." Tennessee Williams

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 DoneGone (original poster member #47312) posted at 7:27 PM on Saturday, March 28th, 2015

HobbsTheTiger

I am taking your advice on speaking with an attorney. Up to this point I have just been doing what I’ve felt like doing and she has acquiesced without protests. At present, my WW, instead of exerting her rights, has been in compliance with my wishes and I have tried not to make demands to an excessive degree. She has said "yes" to my every request and has submitted to my questions and accusation without objection or resistance.

I kicked my wife out of the house three days after receiving definitive proof of her affair and she has been living with a brother since. I have rented an apartment, supposed to move in on the first, and WW is going to live in house while we sort everything else out. I will speak to attorney first.

OK now

You are right. She has only admitted to what I’ve found out. She only acknowledges what I already know. What’s that saying, “where there’s smoke there’s fire”? I believe that during her affair she used sex, love and attention for a smoke screen to hide her nefarious behavior. Armed only with ‘smoke,’ I initiated a “scorched earth” policy. I came home, took her purse, and repossessed her cell phone and lap top. I went through her closet, dresser drawers dumped all her stuff on the floor, looking for proof. I was out of my mind. No, she does not want me proving a physical affair.

HouseofPlane

I think your situation was worse than mine. To show you the place I have been in, I have been reading your name as HouseofPain. Thanks for the info and I will get the books. I especially like the title “Deep Survival.

Jduff

for most of us BS the lying and being told "your crazy" is the worst. Being gas lighted is being mentally and emotionally abused. This is the ultimate act of stomping on your blind trust with manure covered boots.

So true. When all this started WW shared her concern for my mental state and wondered if I was suffering from the Othello Syndrome. I didn’t know what that was, I had to get her to spell it for me.

Wk55hn

I do not believe in coincidences either, or should say, not any more. I really believed they happened to run into each other and I happened to run into them on the first time they had seen each other in 25 years. I mentioned it was in a part of town that I never have the occasion to be in, nor WW. I no longer believe in coincidences. Nor do I believe in ‘it just happened.’

The second time I caught them together was a "coincidence" also.

solus sto

You asked me if I really want to know. Like you, I have not wanted to know any more than I already know. I have not felt like I needed more to make my decision.

The only thing she has asked of me is the return of her laptop and cell phone. I have explained to her that she used these two objects as weapons to stab me in the back and destroy our home and I would not be returning them to her. Should the situation arise, I do not know if she can force me to return these to her or not. I bought and paid for them, the account is in my name and I pay the bills.

I am keeping them because I know the day may come when I will need or want to know everything. Be it to energize me to divorce or to force the truth out of WW. Harsh truth is better than false hope.

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wk55hn ( member #44159) posted at 8:48 PM on Saturday, March 28th, 2015

Even though WW has confessed, taken full responsibility, begged for my forgiveness, sent NC letter to OM, exposed to OM's wife, began therapy, became accountable 24/7; none of this has been of any help to me.

The bold above, you are saying WW has taken but in my opinion, she has not. Without truth, she has not confessed, she has not taken full responsibility, and she has not begged forgiveness (only begged the lie, not the truth). Neither has she exposed to OM's wife, only the lie, not the truth. Most likely, I would bet money on it, that she also is lying the same stuff to the IC. This only makes it worse. So each day this happens, you take a little step backward.

So when you say "none of this has been of any help to me," it is not true, because you have not gotten "this." You are not FEELING her sincerely remorseful because you are not feeling her truthfulness.

If she does tell you the truth and give you sincerely remorseful, maybe or maybe not this will be some help to you. Like you did not know how you would feel how finding out the affair was, how lying your wife has been, you don't really know what you will feel if she sincerely is remorseful. You are not going to know until you receive it, which is beyond your control.

I think you should let her know that you will never believe such a ridiculous lie of "coincidence." Let her know that her telling the real truth about the affair might not help, but it can't hurt.

After my d-day, and for quite a while after, I used to have some really down days and would tell my wife, whatever you are doing, it's not working, so you better step it up or make it work better because I'm slipping away. It helped, but she really was trying to do her best. It can make a difference if she is sincerely remorseful and trying to help you.

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Jduff ( member #41988) posted at 11:56 PM on Sunday, March 29th, 2015

When all this started WW shared her concern for my mental state and wondered if I was suffering from the Othello Syndrome.

Wow. That's calculatingly cold. To actually put a label on your doubts and concerns and call it a disorder. I looked up the symptoms of this syndrome. You know what the exact opposite of those will be? Doing the 180.

The grass is always greener.... where the dogs are shitting.

-Soundgarden

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goingtothrive ( member #45486) posted at 12:01 AM on Monday, March 30th, 2015

Othello is a tragic hero in Shakespeare's play of the same title. He loves his wife, Desdemona, very much. An evil villain, Iago, decides to destroy them by planting false accusations of infidelity in Othello's ear. Over time Othello's jealousy and paranoia lead him to murder his wife, the innocent Desdemona.

By comparing you to Othello, she is comparing herself to the innocent and wrongly accused Desdemona.

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Dday Dec. 2012
Divorced Dec. 14, 2014
M 17 years
1 DS 17
He married OW. Now she has the same last name as me and my son, and it makes me sick.

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HobbesTheTiger ( member #41477) posted at 11:26 AM on Monday, March 30th, 2015

Thanks for the update, I like the confidence and determination in your posts!

Best wishes

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 DoneGone (original poster member #47312) posted at 8:11 PM on Monday, March 30th, 2015

I sincerely appreciate all of the help and guidance I have received from everyone. I was really tripping when I first started posted. After lurking on this site for a few weeks, I realized I probably needed to post, however, when I started putting everything into words, I lost it. I realize now that I had purposely not been thinking about how my life was nuked by my WW. She had also convinced me that her conversations with OM were benign in nature and my discomfort was a product of delusional jealousy.

When I explained to WW wife that this was the first instance of me ever being jealous of her, she countered by saying that was only because she had never had a friendship with another man before. It was also the first time she did a lot of texting while we were together, and also the first time I never saw her phone lying around.

I learned from this site that I was not delusional and that I deserved some answers and the more I found out, the crazier I got. I admit, I played right into her hands. She was perfectly sane while I was slowly losing it.

So, it’s kinda like you guys talked me down from a ledge and now I am able to detach from some of the anger.

I have initiated the 180 and this has been difficult. I am ashamed to say I was getting a morbid pleasure out of watching her in pain. At the same time, it also made me feel bad and a little evil. But, I think she systematically took me apart and put me back together and the person I was left with was not myself. Somehow, I knew I should not be enjoying her pain. I think I wanted her to feel some of what I had been feeling.

I do not think it possible that we will ever reconcile. I don't think I can settle. She was my first, we have been together since teenagers, and I was her first. Nothing that she nor I can do will ever fix that and I do not feel like she should be allowed to have her cake and eat it too. Our relationship can never be balanced again. I don't fault any of you for reconciling, and sometimes I wish I could. Sometimes, I think I can, but, never for long.

I have an appointment with an Attorney on April 9. She is moving back into the house on Wednesday and I will also be here until I speak with attorney. She said we had absolutely no chance of reconciling while she was staying at her brother’s house because he and OM are good friends.

The only thing she has requested from me is the return of her computer and cell phone. I repossessed these from her a couple days after D-day and have no intention of returning them to her; not ever. I told her she used these as weapons to stab me in my back and also as instruments enabling her affair. They will be forever connected to her infidelity.

I have been trying to break her password over the weekend but with no success. Is there somewhere I can take them and get this done. I know how this sounds but she has gas-lighted from the beginning and continues to do so to this day. She remains firm in telling me that nothing physical happened and that her inappropriate emails were limited to the few I read in initial confrontation after D-day.

She also claims that the only two times she saw him in person were the two times I caught them together. How coincidental is that. She must really think I am delusional.

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yearsofpain25 ( member #42012) posted at 8:32 PM on Monday, March 30th, 2015

Take the laptop and phone to a digital forensic private investigator. They most likely can get you the deleted stuff too from those devices. Look into it.

yop

"I remind myself of this. I am a survivor. I have taken all this world has dished out and am still here. So there is no reason to be afraid. Whatever happens, I will survive. So now onto living. It is time for me to thrive." - DrJekyll

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Jduff ( member #41988) posted at 8:40 PM on Monday, March 30th, 2015

 she countered by saying that was only because she had never had a friendship with another man before.

And she really doesn't "need" a friendship with another "man". She has you. Besides, what does gender have to do with it? Her statement drips with entitlement.

She also claims that the only two times she saw him in person were the two times I caught them together. How coincidental is that. She must really think I am delusional.

Yet she is willing to throw away the M over those two meetings, her need to continue that special "friendship" as well as her electronics. My, how her priorities are all fucked up...

Data recovery pros will charge a good sum for the data, but in your case it will be worth it. Clearly there's something in there worth risking the M to protect. Otherwise, she would have told you the passwords and let you see for yourself.

The grass is always greener.... where the dogs are shitting.

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orbit19 ( member #43920) posted at 9:14 PM on Monday, March 30th, 2015

I have been trying to break her password over the weekend but with no success

Did you ask her what her password is?

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HobbesTheTiger ( member #41477) posted at 9:24 PM on Monday, March 30th, 2015

I like your last post, and I support you in your decision to divorce her. I strongly urge you to read http://survivinginfidelity.com/forums.asp?tid=547220 and protect yourself.

I would, however, advise you to talk to your lawyer about her computer&phone, especially before breaking into them. If she finds out (and it's possible), she might decide to proceed with criminal charges for invasion of privacy, so make sure you get the OK from your lawyer that you can keep them and try to get a forensic to enter them.

I also recommend you google "No more mr. nice guy pdf" and "Toxic parents pdf", both great books available online for free. Your words on how she broke you and rebuilt you rang very true to me, and reading those books AND going to therapy will help you to rediscover yourself and be more yourself than you've ever been before. That's one of the reasons I'm so glad you're divorcing her, because I think it will make it much easier for you to live an authentic life, true to yourself.

Keep talking to us, so we can continue to help you and support you!

Best wishes!

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Bigger ( Attaché #8354) posted at 2:02 PM on Tuesday, March 31st, 2015

Just wanted to point out a couple of things…

First of all: I tend to be very cautious when evaluating what many consider “evidence”. I guess it falls back to my years in law enforcement but there it was imperative that our actions were based on facts and not innuendo or guesses. But even cautious I have a hard time acknowledging that a random meeting of two people in a strange part of town could be coincidence.

I also find it strange that IF she’s being truthful to the extent of their relationship AND that she wants to reconcile then the fact her brother and OM are friends can damage reconciliation. IF she’s being truthful and the relationship with OM was “only” limited to two physical non-sexual encounters plus some inappropriate e-mails then OM would be a total non-issue for her right now. By saying that since her bro and OM are friends and that since she’s staying with bro then the presence of OM will make her carry on developing a relationship with OM…

It’s sort of like an alcoholic claiming he wants to be dry but can’t because he has to drive by a couple of liquor stores on his way to work. His problem isn’t really the location of the stores or even the route he takes to work: The real problem is his tendency to stop at the stores…

OK – Next point:

You are totally free to decide to divorce. That is a normal and common result in infidelity.

You are totally free to decide to reconcile. That is a normal and common result in infidelity.

Get it? It’s YOUR CALL.

I have seen people divorce from less than your wife admits doing.

I have seen people recover from what most would consider immensely worse than we THINK your wife has done.

Get it? It’s YOUR CALL.

You CAN come here and demand divorce – You can also change your mind. IF THAT’S WHAT YOU WANT.

I’m really stressing this because I would want you to decide on the RIGHT grounds…

I mention this because there are contradictions in some of your actions/situation.

Like if you are determined to divorce then why is her statement that moving home is imperative for a chance to reconcile valid?

If you are determined to divorce then why is it so important for you to get the true extend of her affair? It’s not as if you can divorce her twice or divorce her more if you discover the affair was more extensive.

Not any more than you can divorce her less if it turns out she’s telling you the truth…

If you are determined to divorce then do so for the right reasons!

Don’t do it as revenge. Don’t do it as punishment. Divorce because you meet one or more of these conditions:

a) You KNOW you won’t get over the affair

b) You KNOW you don’t want to remain married to her

c) She refuses to do what’s required to have a shot at reconciliation.

IF YOU ARE DETERMINED TO DIVORCE then keep in mind it’s a process. It takes time. But it does involve detaching completely from your wife. If you are determined then you don’t need more evidence. You don’t need to know why. You don’t need to know what happened. You need to detach and move on.

You make a comment about the computer and phone being yours because you earned the money to pay for it. Wrong. As a married couple everything is joined – income and all. If you are determined to divorce then give her back her stuff… Like it or not then it’s very likely that she’s entitled to half of your joint assets. You could spend a fortune trying to change that but IMHO that will only lead to you both sharing equally a smaller cake – with the icing and cream being eaten by attorney fees.

Divorce is like firing her as your wife. Trying to get all the why’s and what’s that’s like firing an employee and then calling him in for his yearly performance review. It’s too late! He’s been fired!

Just for the fun of it:

If you want the option to reconcile then you really need to understand that it’s only PARTIALLY in your hands.

For one your wife needs to know she has to be accountable. I guess we all pretend to know there is a lot more behind what’s going on… She has to realize that there is no way you can R without the complete unabridged truth clearly on the table. To do that she has to believe that she can tell the truth and still have a chance at R. As is I’m guessing she thinks that if you discover a third rendezvous or a physical affair then there is no chance of R – and since there was a third or pa she’s thinking better to risk keeping a secret rather than face the certainty of divorce.

Then there is your anger… You need to realize that the only way YOU can recover is through the truth. That will include learning of events that will drive you up the wall.

I want to make this suggestion:

Tell your wife that if there is to be the slightest chance of R you need the truth. That there is no way you can believe the truth is out. Offer her the option of letting you know directly, through an intermediate or by writing a) the true extend, b) their contact, c) the sexual extend, d) timeline and whatever else you need to know. Keep it factual: questions like why, did she love him etc. are of NO VALUE right now.

Make it clear that the truth NOW will open the possibility of R. Promise not to make any final decision for 5 days after you get her version of the truth. Also let her know that you will require her to take a poly to confirm her “truth”. If she fails the poly then divorce is the only path left.

Hopefully this will give her the confidence to be truthful – if she’s capable of it. In turn it gives you the chance to decide there and then whether you can reconcile or not.

Once again: I’m not suggesting you R nor am I suggesting you D. But you can only do one at a time and it’s important you do it correctly. Telling her you want to divorce while making R noises won’t work. Not any more than doing R while planning to divorce.

Finally: Regarding her computer. There are ways. Most of them are based on booting the computer up from a flash-drive, external disk or cd. You can probably get any decent computer tech to clone the disk and/or open it.

"If, therefore, any be unhappy, let him remember that he is unhappy by reason of himself alone." Epictetus

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HouseOfPlane ( member #45739) posted at 2:49 PM on Tuesday, March 31st, 2015

If you are determined to divorce then why is it so important for you to get the true extend of her affair? It’s not as if you can divorce her twice or divorce her more if you discover the affair was more extensive.

The impression I get is that this is less about determining her suitability for a marital partner, and more about the blow your self-esteem and self-worth have taken. You want to know the full extent of that, even while already dismissing her from the marriage.

Putting myself into her shoes, if I knew I was heading for the door, I'd take all my secrets with me. Absolutely no reason to share any of them. I'd also think about calling the cops on "my" phone and computer.

It will be hard to accept initially that YOUR worth is determined only by your actions, not hers, but that is the path out of this mess. You need to detach from her. Love and hate are two sides of the same attachment coin, both meaning she influences you. Being consumed by either means attachment.

DDay 1986: R'd, it was hard, hard work.

“Tell me, what is it you plan to do
with your one wild and precious life?”
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Bigger ( Attaché #8354) posted at 4:10 PM on Tuesday, March 31st, 2015

I totally get that HOP – but from a RECOVERY POV then it’s really irrelevant.

To use a comparison: It’s like a rape-victim asking the rapist why he selected her. Whether her mini-dress, the plunging neckline or tight jeans made him rape her.

His wife cheated for NO REASON whatsoever that can be traced to DoneGone. Trying to get the why from a recovery POV is useless because we already KNOW she cheated despite DoneGone being what he is – not because DoneGone is what he is.

To me the effort and emotional cost of trying to get a logical and useful reason out of the WW will far outweigh the emotional benefits of instant detachment.

"If, therefore, any be unhappy, let him remember that he is unhappy by reason of himself alone." Epictetus

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HouseOfPlane ( member #45739) posted at 4:33 PM on Tuesday, March 31st, 2015

Yup, I'm agreeing with you, actually.

To me the effort and emotional cost of trying to get a logical and useful reason out of the WW will far outweigh the emotional benefits of instant detachment.

Yep, 100%.

I see two common reasons for why people ask why. The first is about the WS, and why they did what they did so they can fix it and not do it again. The second is about the BS. In that case, the 'why' is implicitly about identifying what is wrong/flawed/defective/screwed up with the BS, which of course presumes there is something wrong. That is the deep problem - the idea that their action says something about you. It is an attack on the self.

People who keep asking the 'why' question even in a D are asking it for the second reason, I think. They are probably asking it for the second reason in an R too, a lot of the time.

DDay 1986: R'd, it was hard, hard work.

“Tell me, what is it you plan to do
with your one wild and precious life?”
― Mary Oliver

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moonmatt ( new member #44309) posted at 11:58 PM on Tuesday, March 31st, 2015

DoneGone, I feel your pain my brother. My wife was the love of my life. I never ever believed she could do what she did... to give herself to another. To lie, misdirect, and covet... another. It nearly sent me out of this world.

I don't have a magic pill, a formula, or a time machine for you. I wish I did. I really do. What I can do is tell you what God said to me months ago when I was spinning, looking for a way to STOP THE PAIN. I asked Him how do I forgive her for what she has done to me. I was looking for something quick, easy, an equation that could be solved. His answer was not that easy. He said... Gradually. Gradually? Gradually. Forgiveness does not happen just once. It is something you will have to do over and over and over again. Forgiveness my friend is not for her. It is for you. Without it you will live with this anger, resentment, scorn, bitterness... sadness, depression, and remorse.

I know this is not what you may want to hear. I still struggle with the thoughts and feelings of how the one person I trusted wholeheartedly could have destroyed my world. But she is human. Prone to mistakes, lies, selfishness, egotism, self-centeredness. I realized that I had put my faith into a person. And that person failed. My faith needed to be in God.

So if your wife hasn't already come to you and asked FORGIVENESS, then take her hands and be prepared to give it. We all want the other person to SUFFER. To feel that hole in our hearts that THEY made. We all want to get our innocence, naiveness, faith, and trust we had in that person back. I'm learning that now. But its gone. It died the day I learned the truth. My wife can't un-ring the bell. She can't take back what she has done. But she can begin to build something new with me. To look toward the future. Not to forget the past but to learn from it. It's easy to go down the revenge path. I, myself, had already prepared a tactical nuclear strike on her lover. I was going to destroy his world, his wife's, his kids, his job, his very existence. But vengence is not mine. It could never fill in the hole left. Only love could. And love is about forgiving even when we don't want to. Your wife may truly be sorry and remorseful for what she has done. Just think how she will respond if you offer her forgiveness instead of a harsh response, ignoring her, or divorce papers. I'm asking you to not forget, but to begin the long, long GRADUAL journey of forgiveness.

Will you take it? Its not an easy road. Remember, choosing to forgive is not for you, it's for her.

May peace fill your heart. May God give you strength for the days ahead.

Me, BS: 40

Her, WW: 36

DD: 14 April 2014

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happyman64 ( member #33212) posted at 2:55 AM on Wednesday, April 1st, 2015

Great post Bigger.

DoneGone

you have all the time in the world to make a decision regarding your marriage.

Get your emotions under control.

Get the truth out of your wife if you decide you might want to R.

And get your emotions under control man....

I know you are hurting but you need to start thinking rationally.

HM

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Husburned ( member #46422) posted at 10:06 AM on Wednesday, April 1st, 2015

RealityBlows, your post below is amazing. It is spot on and extremely helpful.

Thank you!

D-Gone, Our stories are so similar. When I was blindsided, I too was in a wonderful and fulfilling 23 year marriage, three kids, beautiful house, idyllic lifestyle, with excellent quality of life, great sex life-and getting even better, no warning signs, no complaints, lots of communication, etc, etc. And even now, 16 months later, I'm still shocked and asking the usual questions for which she still can't answer. You will drive yourself crazy trying to get a rational reason for something so utterly irrational.

Anyway, I have been studying the psychology of how this happens in relatively healthy long term marriages. The First thing you must realize is that IT IS NOT YOUR FAULT.

This seems to be prevalent in WS's who have low self-esteem, low self confidence. Sometimes these insecurities are latent and lie dormant like Shingles waiting for everything to come into proper alignment to emerge. Sometimes they grow through the years and foment as they get older. They can cover-up these unattractive and embarrassing issues very effectively for years but, everyday they are constantly questioning their self worth and self image. This seems to happen after kids have gotten older and they are in their mid 40's, and have been in the marriage 15 plus years.

They see themselves as frompy minivan, SAHM Soccer moms with a lack luster, child centered, unsophisticated, unromantic life. They just finished reading Shades of Grey, Harlequin, The Days Between, or watching Same Time Next Year, or some damned Diane Lane Movie on Lifetime For Women. Their friends are having affairs, talking about their exciting affairs. Pop culture is making affairs look cool, common and classy. A new culture, The Me Generation that revolves around instant gratification and selfishness. They see their youth slipping by, pre-menopausal, rapidly approaching 50, wondering what they have missed-are missing in life. She has probably been hitting the gym pretty hard now that she has more time to spend on herself, She's probably looking better now than she ever will. She's probably getting more attention etc, etc. She may be a people pleaser, and this coupled with the low self esteem, and the constant and/or growing need for validation, erodes boundaries. New tech is now weighing-in to help insidious flirting and sexual innuendo evolve quickly, incognito, allowing paramours some anonymity to take risk, break molds and character-like the masks in Eye's Wide Shut, and goes on to help compartmentalize boundary violations and facilitate secret liaisons with state-of-the-art efficiency, and the ease of a Delete Button. Click-Sins Gone.

So now the stage is set. Then someone comes along loaded with flattery. Many times a skilled home wrecker who knows how to work the vulnerable "MILF" or "Cougar". It progresses from flattery, to flirting, texting, to sexting. It evolves insidiously, the highs get higher, the lows get lower, the excitement, the ego kibbles, the endorphans become an intoxicating drug-an addiction. These feelings are amplified 1000 times by the forbidden fruit nature of an affair. This forbidden fruit, this dangerous liaison, this high stakes surrealistic adventure, that exists in an exotic nether world, in the shadows, in romantic secret, creates an artificial high that eclipses the feelings they felt courting their beloved spouses. Some times this leads the wayward to believe that this must be true love, a love greater than that with their spouse. They begin to question their love for spouse, their marriage, their past life, their fate.

The WW then compartmentalizes her two worlds. In one world she is the matriarch of the family, the wife and the Holy Mother. In the other world she gets to be whomever she wants to be. She gets to recreate herself into what ever image she has fantasied about over the years. Fantasys she would never reveal to her wedded husband, too embarrassed to reveal. She has an image to maintain that she has built up since courtship. She gets to break out of her bride/wife/mother mold and escape her 24 year old reality.

The AP has no expectations, no pre-judgement, he is not looking for a life partner. The elicit nature of their relationship has no boundaries and allows them the freedom to be whomever, and do whatever they please.

The sex. The AP is not necessarily a better lover than the BS. Affair sex is great because of its forbidden nature and the fact that it is DIFFERENT. It is completely uninhibited, new, novel and fresh. It is anonymous to some degree allowing sexual paramours to experiment without fear. It is a new person after 24 years of sex with the same person.

This whole fantasy land affair atmosphere can perpetuate over a long period of time as long has things remain: Secret, forbidden, risky, uncomplicated, etc. The APs can become addicted and go through withdrawals just like an addict. Some affairs run their course and the WW recognizes the superficialities of the affair and end it.

My WW claims that affair sex was not as passionate and loving, and intimate as marital sex. She began to miss the marital love making we had vs. affair sex making.

So, the affair may have had had nothing to do with love for you, how you perform in bed, or what kind of a life partner you are, or what kind of marriage you had. It is about broken people, with poor self-esteem, poor boundaries, looking for validation and escape. It's about the duality of man and how some of us can easily separate ourselves from reality, from our families, from our conscience.

This propensity to cheat may have always existed within her laying dormant for years waiting for just the right moment to strike. If you decide to R. she must figure out what predisposed her to do this, isolate it, and fix it to ensure it never happens again.

"Everyone has a plan... Until they get punched in the mouth."

-Mike Tyson
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Married in '94, She cheated. D-Day Jan '15. Tried R for a year, but we didn't have the tools for it. Now mercifully divorced.

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 DoneGone (original poster member #47312) posted at 3:14 AM on Friday, April 3rd, 2015

This site has been a life line to me, and again, I wish to express my gratitude. Many of you have suggested I need to get into IC. Not sure what that is; ‘Individual counseling?” I do not know how I could receive better counseling than I have received here. Some of your insights have been nothing short of amazing. One thing I have learned is that I am probably a little too in touch with my emotions. My priority at this point is dealing with my anger issues.

It has been mentioned, in a constructive manner, that there are some conflicting statements in my post. I don’t doubt that at all. I have been a conflicted individual lately. I went from hero to zero in a very short space of time. My self-esteem took a wallop. 24/7 I am engaged in an internal and external conflict that is characterized by ambivalence. A feeling of loving and hating at the same time. What I really hate is the days I wake up happy and then reality hits me and the bottom drops out.

When I first began posting, I did not feel like any of you guys would really be able to understand what I was going through. That’s because I thought my marriage was special and different from all others. Sad I know. We always discussed how our marriage was made in heaven. I have discovered my situation is no better or different from most others on this site. In an odd sort of way, that makes me feel better. Not because, “Misery loves company,” but, because of the dawning realization that I did not fail. I did not bring this on myself. It is not because there was a better man out there than myself.

Happily, quite the contrary. The axiom that most cheaters “affair down,” is definitely true in the case of my WW. In the last few weeks I have discovered much about the OM and one thing I can say, as a fact; “I DID NOT lose her to a better man.” I lost her to a LOSER. At first I was asking, “What does that say about me?” I now realize it was not about me at all.

Some of you have asked me questions. I have not been ignoring. HM advised that I should get my emotions under control and I decided that perhaps I should just shut up, listen and glean whatever wisdom I could from you guys. I do want to try and answer some of your questions in my next few posts.

My WW’s explanation is that she ‘happened’ to run into the OM, a childhood acquaintance and a friend of her brothers at a fast food restaurant. She told me later, at home, that he was someone that use to hang out with her brothers and that she had never really known him and had not seen him since she left for college.

They were still talking when I left to get back to work. It seems that, after I left, he informed her that he had had a crush on her during high school and that he had thought about her from time to time throughout the years and had always been sorry that he did not let her know how he felt at the time. She says she should have ended it right there but foolishly exchanged numbers and began texting.

According to WW, the texts escalated in volume and intensity on his part. She said she absolutely did not encourage this but began to enjoy the attention. She thought it was harmless and that he was definitely no threat to our marriage.

She went from hardly ever texting when we were together to practically living on her phone. Within a couple weeks I began questioning her as to what was going on. At first she offered this or that reason but soon she would simply dismiss me by saying I had issues. It got to the point where she said I needed professional help and should make an appointment with a therapist. She cared enough for me that she researched my problem and revealed to me that I was most assuredly suffering from the Othello Syndrome. I looked it up. I was suffering from delusional jealousy.

This was easier for me to believe than what I had been fearing, so I made an effort to be better. Maybe it was a chemical imbalance in my brain; maybe I had a tumor; maybe it was something that a prescription for depression or some good meds could fix. Maybe I did need to make an appointment with a doctor. Somehow, I maintained my trust in her despite all the contradictions by reality and WW’s irrational behavior.

I was better for about three weeks, and then, one night my delusional jealousy kicked in and on impulse, I literally snatched the phone from her hand. She was talking in hushed voice, going to other room to text so I just gave in to the craziness that was taking me over. On her phone, big as life, a picture of a naked guy, and my world went black. It was the same guy she had met at the restaurant. Stunned, shocked and disgusted, I realized my virtuous wife was a whore.

I went nuts on her. I was out of my fvcking mind. I hated her. My anger was all consuming. I did not know it was possible to be so hurt and helpless. I wanted her to hurt, suffer and feel the pain I was feeling. She said she was stupid, she got caught up into it and liked the attention and was so, so, so sorry.

This was brutal and I did not know what to do. I had no life outside of her. I had invested everything into our relationship. Everything, but now I could only see her as a POS. All respect was gone. It didn’t matter how much she cried and pleaded, I could only hear the noise in my head. I thought maybe I was having a stroke of something. Everything was ruined. There is nothing that was not ugly.

I had no choice. I had to try to move past it. She swore on her mother’s grave that it was nothing but stupidity and foolishness and that with the kids off in college that she had just lost herself for a time. She claimed she was thankful that I caught her and put a stop to it. I let her know that I had nothing to be thankful for. No-thing. She was embarrassed and ashamed. Big deal!

I read on here that when trust is gone, that it must be replaced with transparency. Something like that. I know what it meant but resented feeling like I had to check on my wife’s every movement. But I did. The love was gone, or wounded or buried in anger. I wanted to catch her, I wanted her to slip up so I could be man enough to kick her out on her azz. She was accountable with her every move but I resented this. When I was around her, I did not feel love, just this overwhelming hurt, contempt and anger.

Transparency did not work for me. I didn’t sign on to be her warden or guard or nursemaid. I grilled her every night trying to get everything out of her. She only confessed to buying some lingerie and planning on taking some pics for him. She said that was all; that I had everything. There was nothing more to tell; unless she made something up.

I will try and finish this tomorrow.

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