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Freeme ( member #31946) posted at 8:35 PM on Thursday, May 14th, 2015

Yeah, he's a very mature kid. We did a good job raising him.

I know he's hurting and mad. I expected this.

Have you talked about what is going to happen to him if you two can't work things out? I'm sure he is worried - You probably don't know details but you can let him know that he will always have a place to stay and that you will always be his father, and would like to keep in touch while he is in college...Who knows what his mother is telling him. It sounds like she is doing the typical rewrite history thing...that you haven't been happy for a long time...that you don't listen to her...whatever makes her look better. She probably told him that she and OM are just friends....so she has someone to talk to about her marrage problems.

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StillStanding1 ( member #40144) posted at 8:35 PM on Thursday, May 14th, 2015

You are handling this really well... I know it's killing you emotionally, but you are playing your cards right! I wish I had the ability to think clearly and say the perfect thing in the heat of the moment. Well done.

That said, I am all sorts of PO'ed reading what the OM wrote to you. Unbelievably obnoxious. Makes me want to be your little brother's sidekick! But best to stay away. Give your WW what she wants. All the freedom to go live in unicorn land with POSOM.

Spend time with your son and keep talking and listening. You not meeting WW's needs is not an excuse for an A. He will eventually understand that.

Please stay strong and get away. You deserve so much more. And you are young enough to start a whole new relationship that can be all you desire. You can be free of this toxicity.

Best wishes!

Me: BS50s Him: WH50s
M 25 years - DD DS DS
LTA = 2+ yrs, Dday - 2/13, S for 1 year, now R

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Briarrose33 ( member #46345) posted at 8:53 PM on Thursday, May 14th, 2015

Especially after that high and mighty Captain Save-A-Ho message

Omg...I literally choked on my drink when I read this one!

I can't stand when someone uses their religion to excuse bad behavior. As if you need his prayers. FTG. Do not engage him, do not respond to him.

And your wife is a real piece of work right now. As if the affair is not abusive enough...she just keeps at it! I don't know if she is lost forever but I do know the only chance you have is "shock and awe" approach. It is so scary to detach and kick them out...but it works! Believe me! It goes against my very nature and is scary as hell, but man does it shock the hell out of them.

And your son, although very mature...needs to try and be left out of adult issues as much as possible. No one but the two of yall know the intricacies of your marriage.

Me-BW-34
WH-34 (SA)
10 months- prostitutes and massage parlors
DDay #1- 10/17/14
DDay/TT #2- 10/22/14
DDay/TT #3- 10/24/14

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devotedman ( member #45441) posted at 8:55 PM on Thursday, May 14th, 2015

Be thankful that the POSOM has provided you written confirmation that he and your wife are in a relationship.

Now, don't delete that message and take it to your lawyer.

Nothing to add, otherwise, you're doing great. Follow through on the consequences that you set up for her trip this weekend.

You'll be fine.

Me: 2xBS b 1962 xWW after 2 decades, xWGF after almost 1.
Amelia Pond: Who are you?
The Doctor: I don't know yet. I'm still cooking.
ENFP-A. Huh.

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 UnlovedAndBroked (original poster member #47870) posted at 9:32 PM on Thursday, May 14th, 2015

Yeah, I have tried to keep our son out of it as much as I can.

But he approached us last night and just let us have it.

It really hurt. Just when I thought I couldn't hurt any more!

As far as playing it right, I'm sure I've done many things wrong over the last couple of months dealing with this. But thanks for all the encouragement.

I intend to make good on shock and awe Monday morning if she goes down there this weekend. I refuse to be the doormat any more.

"There are a million things in this universe you can have and there are a million things you can’t have. It’s no fun facing that, but that’s the way things are." - James T. Kirk

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 UnlovedAndBroked (original poster member #47870) posted at 9:35 PM on Thursday, May 14th, 2015

I'm so sad to look down at the ground beneath my feet and see all of y'all's footprints laid out before me.

But, thank you all for walking through this with me. It's been such a relief. I realized this morning, I haven't cried today. That's huge.

"There are a million things in this universe you can have and there are a million things you can’t have. It’s no fun facing that, but that’s the way things are." - James T. Kirk

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WornDown ( member #37977) posted at 9:46 PM on Thursday, May 14th, 2015

You're doing great!

About your son being mad at you, I wouldn't take it personally. He's angry and scared that the family he loves is being blown up. He's lashing out. Remember, he is still a kid.

My 13 yo told me to "get over it" when I told him I couldn't live with mom any more because she was dating. He just didn't want his family to break up.

Me: BH (50); exW (49): Way too many guys to count. Three kids (D, D, S, all >20)Together 25 years, married 18; Divorced (July 2015)

I divorced a narc. Separate everything. NC as much as humanly possible and absolutely no phone calls. - Ch

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 UnlovedAndBroked (original poster member #47870) posted at 9:48 PM on Thursday, May 14th, 2015

I figured he's lashing out. And that he's scared. I didn't take it personally. But, man does it hurt.

When does the hurt stop?

"There are a million things in this universe you can have and there are a million things you can’t have. It’s no fun facing that, but that’s the way things are." - James T. Kirk

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h0peless ( member #36697) posted at 9:51 PM on Thursday, May 14th, 2015

It takes a really long time, unfortunately. My DDay was July 29, 2012 and although it's rare, I still sometimes feel sadness about the whole ordeal. I don't think it ever completely goes away, but I remember noticing how much better I was feeling at around 5-6 months out. It isn't a linear process, though. It's been compared to a roller coaster. Once you've had time to get your feet under you, your happiness graph should be trending in the right direction even if there are dips here and there.

[This message edited by h0peless at 3:51 PM, May 14th (Thursday)]

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HouseOfPlane ( member #45739) posted at 9:57 PM on Thursday, May 14th, 2015

When does the hurt stop?

The hurt will always be available to you for the rest of your life. At some point, hopefully you'll recognize that while the pain was a gift from the WS, the suffering is self-inflicted. You will choose to make it stop. That may mean D.

Best of luck, my friend.

DDay 1986: R'd, it was hard, hard work.

“Tell me, what is it you plan to do
with your one wild and precious life?”
― Mary Oliver

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JustLearning ( member #43912) posted at 10:00 PM on Thursday, May 14th, 2015

Do you have a plan if she does not go down?

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 UnlovedAndBroked (original poster member #47870) posted at 10:01 PM on Thursday, May 14th, 2015

Mmm... No.

You've got me there. I don't expect it to not happen.

Suggestions, anyone?

"There are a million things in this universe you can have and there are a million things you can’t have. It’s no fun facing that, but that’s the way things are." - James T. Kirk

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realitybites ( member #6908) posted at 10:03 PM on Thursday, May 14th, 2015

I think you need to show him boundaries. Even though it is his mother I do feel down the road he will respect you when you show strength and show you won't allow this treatment. You are teaching him by example of how he will want to be treated when he has a relationship. Sadly he has his mothers example which could potentially still screw him up but you have the opportunity, even thru his anger to show him what is right.

So sorry for your pain and how badly this feels from your stepson right now. Keep telling him you love him and answer any questions he asks in an appropriate way but don't hide the truth. Maybe not today but he will respect you down the road.

Stop expecting loyalty from people who cannot even give you honesty.

He stopped being my husband the first time he cheated. It took me awhile to understand that I was no longer his wife.

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h0peless ( member #36697) posted at 10:07 PM on Thursday, May 14th, 2015

That's a question for your lawyer. Can you change the locks?

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 UnlovedAndBroked (original poster member #47870) posted at 10:14 PM on Thursday, May 14th, 2015

Yeah, I think I can change the locks. But our apt also has a garage. How do I stop her from getting in there?

"There are a million things in this universe you can have and there are a million things you can’t have. It’s no fun facing that, but that’s the way things are." - James T. Kirk

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ramius ( member #44750) posted at 10:18 PM on Thursday, May 14th, 2015

WOW.....that POSOM really seems to care about your wife's needs and feelings. Well yes....but take away his ability to get a boner.....and his caring about her will disappear. The fact that she is too stupid you realize that......she deserves whatever action you end up taking against her.

Stay strong.

How many scars have you rationalized because you loved the person who was holding the knife?

Their actions reveal their intentions. Their words conceal them.

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Sybo ( member #46689) posted at 10:21 PM on Thursday, May 14th, 2015

When does the hurt stop?

When you are ready to stop LETTING IT.

This beauty from the SI archives always gives me strength and focus...which in turn reels in the pain: http://www.survivinginfidelity.com/archives.asp?tid=459284

From experience as a first class codependent I can say for months I struggled in the wake of the infidelity to find a place and way to detach and care for myself. Emotionally detaching from a dead marriage and abusive marriage can be extremely difficult. I heard from many on SI to develop indifference and detach. Learning to detach is vital if you ever hope to regain your health, happiness, sanity and sense of oneself. I believe this is an essential and healthy step in the process of recovery from this trauma.

Emotionally detaching requires that you change many of your attitudes, beliefs and behaviors. Detaching is about disarming your spouse’s control over your happiness by eradicating his or her ability to hurt you. Before I began to detach, I needed to change my view and accept the following:

1. Love does not conquer all. What we have experienced through a relationship involving infidelity isn’t love; it’s abuse. You can love and let go, you can love and protect yourself.

2. You can’t fix or rescue someone from being abusive, sick, dysfunctional and lost in their own highly distorted reality. In fact, trying to rescue usually backfires and hurts you. The more you try to rescue, the more you will be hurt and emotionally abused.

3. This was really hard for me to get, but there is truth in this. You give your spouse the power to hurt you. When I finally detached her actions reflected her, hurt her, were not a reflection of me, or hurt me anymore.

4. You’re not responsible for your spouse’s happiness, failures, shortcomings or bad behaviors.

5. Continuing to hope for the best from someone who consistently gives you the worst is a set-up for more pain and disillusionment.

There’s no shame in admitting that you need to walk away from a relationship that’s destructive and toxic. It’s vital that you begin to develop a rational perspective and distance yourself from an ongoing hurtful relationship that you can neither control nor change. Many people remain in abusive relationships well beyond a point of personal pain and devastation that defies reason. You need to come back to your senses and see your partner for who she is and your part in it.

Here are some detachment techniques that worked for me:

1. I focused on being solely responsible for my own well-being and happiness. I would catch myself when you begin to have thought that centered on her, “If only she could . . . If only she would . . .” and knock it off. Coulda, woulda, shoulda is the language of codependency and hurt. This mindset keeps you in a beaten down phase and makes it easier for an abusive spouse to control you. Take back the control by meeting your own needs by making different choices and acting on them. By focusing inward for solutions and happiness I would focus on what I needed to be happy and protected in those moments. I found those thoughts were tied to my feelings of doubt in myself and reoriented my focus back to me and what I needed in that moment.

2. I worked on accepting that I can’t fix, change, rescue, save, make someone else happy or love someone enough to make them whole. Don’t just pay lip service to this. Really wrap your brain around the fact that as long as you’re in a dysfunctional relationship, no matter what you do, it will never be good enough. Understand that no matter how much you do for your spouse; they will always expect and demand more. Acknowledge that the more you appease, compromise and forgo your own needs; the more entitled, demanding and ungrateful they’ll be. I know for many of us we gave so much that it allowed the abuse, in fact set the selfish entitled mentality of our spouses to go unchecked.

3.I had to eliminate the emotional and mental hooks to my spouse or marriage. A hook is typically an emotional, psychological or physical stake that you have in the other person or the relationship. For example, for me GUILT is a big hook that kept me mentally connected to the relationship. I had many thoughts of “I’d feel guilty if I left because of its impact on my son etc.” Other hooks include shame (e.g., of failing or not being strong enough), loss of status (e.g., being perceived as a nice or good guy), loss of material assets or access to children, perfectionism and your own need to control others, situations and outcomes. Once you can step back and let go of these notions and outcomes you realize they are false notions and only serve to provide power to a dysfunctional relationship. Fact is we can all have healthy relationships and lives without these hooks, they serve as heavy anchors that tie us to a poor relationship.

4. I had to focus on “DOING” for myself. Do something that removes you from the abuse and centers you. Meditate, exercise, read, walk, or whatever your version of centering is. Create pockets of sanity and safety with friends and family or physical spaces like your office, the gym. Find activities that will take you out of the line of fire and minimize your exposure to the abuse. Find a hobby or activity that makes you feel good about yourself and restores your confidence and esteem.

DDAY Feb 2015
Divorce finalized 4/4/16
Update: EX gave Nail Boy the boot 3/18 - Fairy tales don't last apparantly
My new zipcode is ZERO FUCKS GIVEN. It's a great town.

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 UnlovedAndBroked (original poster member #47870) posted at 11:22 PM on Thursday, May 14th, 2015

Dude, Sybo. You rocked my world. I just printed that shit out and tacked it to my office wall.

Thank God I have my own office at work. It's certainly a centering place for me.

"There are a million things in this universe you can have and there are a million things you can’t have. It’s no fun facing that, but that’s the way things are." - James T. Kirk

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AwesomeSauce ( member #47794) posted at 1:00 AM on Friday, May 15th, 2015

You are handling this like a boss. I watched this same situation play out with my parents down to the married OM calling my dad to tell him he wouldn't stand for my dad hurting my mom. My dad just said, "If you feel that strongly you know where to find me" and hung up. My little brother was the same age as your son. He was hurt and angry at everyone but in time he came around. It's hard to watch your family crumble as a kid. No matter how old you are you feel like a 5 year old. I was 23 and it was devastating. But when the dust settles he'll come around.Just keep loving him and be there for him. Let him be mad at you if he needs to. Everything he's known is being rocked.

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catlover50 ( member #37154) posted at 3:33 AM on Friday, May 15th, 2015

UAB--

I think you are doing quite well. However, IMO there is no "quid pro quo" for cheating. Your saying that you know that you hurt your wife and didn't always meet her needs? That's called marriage; it can't be held up as equal to infidelity and frankly I don't think it deserves to be mentioned in the same conversation, even by your son.

Dday -9/23/2012
Reconciled

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