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greenirisheyes ( member #7983) posted at 7:34 PM on Saturday, July 15th, 2017

"i am swinging wildly. one minute my mind is calm and im staring at her. the next i remember something and the hair on my neck stands up.

she is being stand offish and i find myself thinking she cheated and im the one feeling bad. maybe she feels bad, maybe not but these swings are damned near manic.

please dear God help me get through."

You are reeling, partly because you're trying desperately to cling to her truth because you want to believe it's less severe, but you're processing now and your gut is screaming at you. You need to listen to your gut!

I have been here forever. I don't post much because I'm 15 years past this bullshit and I've moved on, but I do read occasionally, and don't need to post because there are ten people who will say what I would have, anyway.

But, you asked about reconciliation, so I will share my experience.

My husband (henceforth referred to as the Rat Bastard) had an affair with a woman he met at the race track where he raced (henceforth referred to as the Track Rat). It was discovered rather quickly because...well, because the Rat Bastard is an idiot and not very good at hiding his tracks. We had been married 26 affair-free years at this point.

The Rat Bastard was appropriately contrite and regretful, and looked me in the eye and SWORE that it was over. I was only too happy to accept his blithe promises and sweep that shit pile out of my house and my life.

A few months later, I start smelling shit again. Couldn't see it, but my gut was telling me it's there. I confronted my husband, who should have won an Oscar for his convincing lies, straight to my pathetic, wanting to believe, face. I begged him to go to marriage counseling with me, he repeatedly and vehemently refused.

I spent the next two years of my life chasing him, trying to catch him with his pants down, because he told me I was crazy, there was nothing going on, and I needed help.

Finally, after the worst two years of my life, I caught him at the Track Rat's house where I confronted him.

This time I didn't handle things like the scared little rabbit I was the first time. I drove home, grabbed his most prized toys and threw them onto the front lawn, along with anything else of his I could carry. I kicked him out that night and made him bring a police escort to pick up his clothing the next day.

I refused for the next three months to discuss anything with him except the house, money, or our children (who were late teens, early 20s), and so pissed at him, they both refused to talk to him. This included Thanksgiving and Christmas.

The first week after the shit storm I interviewed two attorneys, got myself into divorce counseling and got the one child who would agree to go into counseling. Sadly, they witnessed their mother's near breakdown that night, and their Rat Bastard father standing on the front porch for three hours trying to talk his way back into the house, while his son stood guard at the front door and wouldn't let him in. Yeah, real proud moments all the way around, there.

My husband, on the other hand, at the eleventh hour and while I was preparing for divorce, got himself into IC completely on his own. This is a guy who didn't even buy his own clothes, or make his own doctor appointments. This was unbeknownst to me because I wouldn't even talk to him. As far as I knew, the night I threw him out, he turned around and went back to the Track Rat's house.

Finally, after three months, I started talking to him, and with much cajoling, agreed to attend a counseling session with him. That led to a year of marriage counseling and dating (during which time I would not let him come back home), and we finally reconciled. That was 15 years ago. We're still together and doing great.

Sadly, my friend, your wife bought you a ticket to a shit show. It's not a show you wanted to see, but there you are, front row, center.

Reconciling is out of your hands. That is up to her. She has to be willing to humble herself, do the work (which she needs to do whether you reconcile or not), then come and ask you if you'd be willing to reconcile. That would be a gift you bestow on her only after she has earned it. Your wife has not earned it.

I don't care how introverted or solitary she is, she doesn't get to say she needs space or feels pushed, or doesn't want to talk. Those are not the words of someone who wants to reconcile. You have let her know that you are more than willing to do so. You have devalued the greatest gift you could ever offer someone. An ongoing relationship with someone who has betrayed you, stomped your heart, and shit on you. Pretty major gift if you ask me!

One of the biggest lessons I learned from that whole process (and there were many valuable lessons learned) is that I teach someone how to treat me. My husband walked through fire and glass to EARN his way back into my life and our family. I offered him a tremendous gift, one he still honors to this day. What are you trying to teach your wife about the treatment you expect?

I'm sorry, Dude, but your marriage is dead. The person you thought you were married to is gone. It cannot be saved, revived or continued. It's over. You need to wrap your head around that and come to terms with it.

There is no shortcut through this pile of shit. It is blocking the path to your future. The two of you will need to pick up each piece, turn it over, examine it, discuss it, then set it aside. Eventually, the two of you will make a path to a new marriage and future. You'll both have scars and you'll smell like shit for a while, but as time goes on, and the honesty continues and new trust is built, the scars will fade and the shit pile will be further and further in your past.

You aren't the same person you were before this happened, but neither is she. Ergo, you can't go back to the way things were. Whether you rebuild or divorce is up to her first, then you. I am here to testify that you can build something pretty damn awesome out of that shit pile.

The Rat Bastard and me? We're best friends and this year marks 42 years of marriage. Yes, picking out Valentine's and Anniversary cards are still a bitch, none of that, "you've always been there for me" or "you've never let me down" bullshit. Instead, it's "we've been through some ragged shit, but we fought and worked hard, and made our way back to each other." I do trust my husband, but I also know what he is capable of and I'm not naive or pathetic in my blind faith any longer. It's a different marriage. But, we were 18 when we got married, so what did we know about marriage anyway?

Listen to your gut. Ask the hard questions and don't accept deflection or manipulation. She doesn't have that luxury any longer. You have too much at stake.

Good luck. I wish you peace.

Reconciled since 10/2002 Married 49 years - 2024!We're better then ever, but I won't be sending the skank a thank you card.

"We all wear masks, and the time comes when we cannot remove them without removing some of our own skin" –​ André Bert

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Stevesn ( member #58312) posted at 8:16 PM on Saturday, July 15th, 2017

Tess, IrishEyes and recent others have eloquently stated what us early posters were trying to impress upon you.

They have given you a gift with their experience and wisdom.

Please read what they have said over and over until it sinks in.

It sounds like you are partially starting to get it, but you don't seem to be able yet to take those first few steps out of infidelity.

[This message edited by Stevesn at 2:19 PM, July 15th (Saturday)]

fBBF. Just before proposing, broke it off after her 2nd confirmed PA in 2 yrs. 9 mo later I met the wonderful woman I have spent the next 30 years with.

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downintx ( member #46244) posted at 9:00 PM on Saturday, July 15th, 2017

My wife had a similar attitude to your wife in the beginning - she was the one who was guilty, but she was calling the shots, until I started doing some 180 moves, and demanding that if she changed her electronic device passwords, or I ever gave me the slightest reason to believe that she still in contact with the AP, she would find all her belongings on the front step when she got home.

Things changed a lot after that. As I mentioned before, for me the not exposing her, helped me hang the Sword of Damocles over her head, and gave me the edge on calling the shots. She acted tough, but I knew with her squeaky clean and very highly regarded reputation in our community, her biggest fear was being shamed.

My doctor recommended reading - The Married Man Sex Life Primer by Athol Kay. I know others have recommended this book to you, but in your particular situation, I highly recommend you read this, its an easy and enjoyable read, and it will help you with a lot of great, info to help your situation. You constantly mention how you have a hot wife, and how you worship the ground she walks on - this book will suggest a lot of great steps to put you on that level, where you don't feel threatened by her good looks.

You have to toughen up, otherwise she is going to continue to turn the guilt on you, and make you look like the reason why she looked elsewhere. She knows that she is the guilty one, but is obviously taking advantage of the fact, because you are basically letting her get away with it... start implementing some 180 and read that book...

[This message edited by downintx at 3:04 PM, July 15th (Saturday)]

You Can't Change the Wind but You Can Adjust the Sails.

If YOU don't change, things will stay the same.

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HellFire ( member #59305) posted at 9:14 PM on Saturday, July 15th, 2017

This has been painful to read.

She had sex with him. There's no doubt.

You can not try and reconcile with a person who is lying about something so huge. Honesty and transparency are the cornerstones of reconciliation.

[This message edited by HellFire at 3:14 PM, July 15th (Saturday)]

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And I'll forget you, but I'll never forgive
The smallest man who ever lived..

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 thepainisreal (original poster member #59643) posted at 10:32 PM on Saturday, July 15th, 2017

Man. I am so conflicted. Just needed to check in to vent for a second.

Currently riding in a Uber. 3 across the back seat, just like she did with her boyfriend. The exception being we are in a suburban and she was in a little wind up car with nowhere to go but on top of each other.

I fucking hate this. Need strength.

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hardtimesinlife ( member #10468) posted at 10:35 PM on Saturday, July 15th, 2017

Here's the thing. When she is being loving and acting remorseful you are (rightfully) questioning her and demanding the truth. I'm wondering if she's being standoffish so that she doesn't have to admit to anything worse. It is also putting you in the position of longing for her love again, a dangerous position for a newly betrayed spouse. The power shifts are exhausting, I know. If you can remain in the power position you'll get to the truth much faster. She shouldn't be calling the shots here.

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I cut my losses mid 2013
Feeling happier every day :)

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CuckNo ( member #48345) posted at 11:19 PM on Saturday, July 15th, 2017

I fucking hate this. Need strength.

Only you can stop this, my friend. God bless you.

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Sharkman ( member #56818) posted at 11:32 PM on Saturday, July 15th, 2017

We are here to help you with the strength part. You have been prescribed some very difficult actions that you must follow through on.

You are not defined by how you act in good times but you are defined by how you act against adversity. You need to stop feeling sorry for yourself and kick some ass.

Your situation plain old sucks. Most of us have been there. We do t like this but through our shared pain we can only hope that we can help lift you up.

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nutmegkitty ( member #33882) posted at 11:33 PM on Saturday, July 15th, 2017

TPIR, you can fight for your marriage till you are bloody, but unless your ww cuts off all contact, is completely 100% honest (have her take a poly) and transparent with all media and devices, and gets herself into counseling, then you are fighting a losing battle.

Reconcilliation is possible only if BOTH parties are 100% committed. Your ww isn't in at all.

Me - happy!
2 DDs

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downintx ( member #46244) posted at 11:38 PM on Saturday, July 15th, 2017

Currently riding in a Uber. 3 across the back seat, just like she did with her boyfriend. The exception being we are in a suburban and she was in a little wind up car with nowhere to go but on top of each other.

Yip... unfortunately another sad part of this ordeal... anything associated with the affair will trigger sadness and bad memories for many years to come.

Just a freeway sign, or weather report on TV, of the name of the town where my wife would meet him is enough to trigger sad memories with me. You cant avoid them all, but best you to try and more important when you are up to telling her, she needs to avoid doing or staying stuff that will trigger your emotions.

You Can't Change the Wind but You Can Adjust the Sails.

If YOU don't change, things will stay the same.

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 thepainisreal (original poster member #59643) posted at 1:31 AM on Sunday, July 16th, 2017

I feel like I am seeing you all as more right with ever minute that passes.

I did nothing but give her a beautiful home, 3 beautiful kids, my love and every mother fucking thing she ever asked for.

I should be kissing ass. She should be. I should be walking on eggshells. She should be.

Whit the fuck knows how this ends but I know for certain that will be. I don't want someone that doesn't want me enough to fight for me especially after kicking me square in the nuts.

This could end up being the fastest 180 (or the slowest) anyone has ever done.

Why in the fuck did they put 3 in the back of a tiny uner when. There was an open front seat? One reason. They wanted to. I've never done that. No one wants to be uncomfortable.

Apologize for typos. On phones.

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yearsofpain25 ( member #42012) posted at 1:34 AM on Sunday, July 16th, 2017

Just take one step. Read the 180. The links are in my first post to you. Go read them as your first step.

"I remind myself of this. I am a survivor. I have taken all this world has dished out and am still here. So there is no reason to be afraid. Whatever happens, I will survive. So now onto living. It is time for me to thrive." - DrJekyll

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Stevesn ( member #58312) posted at 4:41 AM on Sunday, July 16th, 2017

Read this whole thread from the start.

And then do it again in a week.

You'll constantly find things your brain could not process when they were said to you.

Be good to yourself.

fBBF. Just before proposing, broke it off after her 2nd confirmed PA in 2 yrs. 9 mo later I met the wonderful woman I have spent the next 30 years with.

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tessthemess ( member #56395) posted at 4:51 AM on Sunday, July 16th, 2017

thepainisreal, you've got it. She wasn't coerced. Nobody held a gun up to her head. This was something SHE CHOSE to do.

The hardest thing I discovered was that not only did he cheat on me, but he INITIATED the affair. My husband who I'd never in a million years think to be that awful ASKED her if he could kiss her. Began fucking her less than a minute later! What in the ever loving fuck?!

And here I am, 7 months later, and he's only begun putting in the work last month AFTER I left the home and the threat of D looked real. And he asks me tonight if being with him is hell. And I couldn't say no. Because even though I want a marriage and my children to be in an intact home IT IS HELL EVERY MOMENT I AM ALONE WITH MY THOUGHTS. I just began seeing a counselor for EMDR treatments because I have PTSD from this bullshit that I never deserved.

And the NERVE of your wife to suggest that if you just get off HER back she'll be the best wife to you. What in the ever loving fuck to that too?! She should have ALWAYS been that way! She fucked you over and is now saying that you need to behave for her to be ok. And when you begin to act upset she threatens divorce to you?! It's shameful.

Here's the hard part. Raging won't work. You want to, but it doesn't fucking work. It's not about her though. It doesn't help YOU.

Right now the only one who can have your back is YOU. You are your best friend right now. You can't betray yourself too. She isn't your bff. She has PROVEN that. Don't waste your time on repairing something you never broke. She's fucked up. Who does that?! Take care of YOU. You need your self care. It's NOT selfishness. It's SELF-FULLNESS.

The book that opened my eyes and blew my mind and gave me strength to be loving to myself was "The New Codependency" by Melody Beattie. Don't worry about the Co-D label. Ignore the stigma of that. Trust me, you will feel SO much better.

And, if you are the religious type OR can work your thoughts around religious quotes (I'm not Christian but I found it a fantastic read) Boundaries by Henry Cloud was another personal strength-builder.

Finally, go check out the Wayward forum here at SI. Search out posts by some of the experienced Former Waywards like Zugzwang, Darkness Falls, Aubrie et al. See the new waywards and how they get torn apart by the guys and girls who now GET it. See what you deserve.

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EA confirmed Nov. '16, PA exposed Dec 11, 2016.
No longer a mess.
Separated and heading towards D as of June 1, 2018.
"It's a good life if you don't weaken." - Gord Downie

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Chappie ( member #56407) posted at 12:36 PM on Sunday, July 16th, 2017

Am I getting this straight? Your wife cheats on you and you reward her with a nice vacation?

How old are your kids?

Her boyfriend doesn't live that close right? You need to talk to your lawyer about preventing her from taking them out of the area you live in . For example if she decides to move in with her "sister."

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Wool94 ( member #53300) posted at 1:25 PM on Sunday, July 16th, 2017

Until you realize that she's not the prize, you're still playing the game.

You are the prize! The prize doesn't try to play the game or help the contestant. Step back. Do the 180. Don't let her stay in control.

It's so hard to see you struggle daily with this. We all, just like Sharkman said, want to be the friend that slaps you into reality.

It's only because we've walked this road.

I consider this my second marriage to my wife. We never divorced, but, we had to have a fresh start.

I was a doormat for her during the first M (14 years). Her affairs and distance was what it got me. Don't be me.

It truly let me seer my whole life in a different light.

I stopped taking crap from anyone. I love the new me. As a result, I've even had a job promotion and am working less hours!

It didn't happen because I tiptoed around my wife either. I hate to say it, but once you are through this (R or D), you may realize you can be proud of yourself too.

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D-Day #2: May 21, 2016
D-Day #3: June 7, 2016
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Her:WW (amn8r) 1981
Son 2006
Daughter 2009
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Chappie ( member #56407) posted at 1:59 PM on Sunday, July 16th, 2017

You can download the MMSLP book on your phone. You will immediately see where you are spinning your wheels.

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 thepainisreal (original poster member #59643) posted at 4:25 PM on Sunday, July 16th, 2017

I asked her last night if she had given any thought to what her life would look like if we got a divorce. She said no.

I asked a series of questions like, where will you live? We live in the highest priced neighborhood in our city. I said do you think youll buy a nice new big house down the street? Do you think you'll be able to pay for maids and lawn people? Will the kids stay in private schools? Will you be able to get a sitter or have someone watch the kids whenever you want to leave for a little while? Do you think you'll drive the same kind of cars? Etc, etc.

I also told her I wanted her to be checked for STDs which she said was fine but a waste of time. Of course I threw in the "there is no telling how many skanky whores dick face has fucked, and if I'm going to get an STD I'd rather it be the old fashioned way, not from my cheating wife." As you can imagine, things are just awesome around here!

She just isn't thinking at all and just wants me to stfu.

[This message edited by thepainisreal at 10:26 AM, July 16th (Sunday)]

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yearsofpain25 ( member #42012) posted at 5:07 PM on Sunday, July 16th, 2017

Good! Good! You are not rugsweeping. Continue to keep the A front and center so that this shit is dealt with.

Also good first step with the STD testing. Now make sure she follows through! That this is not going away. That you need to see the results. Your WW can certainly set up the appointment for whenever you get back now wherever you are.

Good to make her think of the situation. One thing you can do, and I highly recommend doing this step now as speaking from experience can take a good many weeks to get a return phone call and ultimately an appt, get a child psychologist line up for your kids. This is something that you can do together...or not depending on her reaction. Whether you R or D, your children's environment is changed forever as the dynamic between you and your WW has changed. Kids know these things and can feel them even if they don't know about the A. The kids that have adjusted the best here at SI have had some therapy which helps them and can help you with how to interact with them about these types of issues. Start to get something lined up. This isn't a consequences step so much as it is a practical one for your kids.

yop

"I remind myself of this. I am a survivor. I have taken all this world has dished out and am still here. So there is no reason to be afraid. Whatever happens, I will survive. So now onto living. It is time for me to thrive." - DrJekyll

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yearsofpain25 ( member #42012) posted at 5:10 PM on Sunday, July 16th, 2017

And I can't stress enough that you have done some good here for yourself in not rugseeping and keeping the A front and center. Good work. Just keep going.

Have you looked into the 180 at all that we have mentioned? I really think that would help you. The 180 has absolutely zero to do with your WW and everything about you and what you can do to continue to help yourself.

yop

"I remind myself of this. I am a survivor. I have taken all this world has dished out and am still here. So there is no reason to be afraid. Whatever happens, I will survive. So now onto living. It is time for me to thrive." - DrJekyll

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