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Where do I go from here? How do I fix this? Why am I not enough?

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Mene ( member #64377) posted at 3:00 AM on Saturday, June 8th, 2019

You need to get as far away as you can from this woman.

Life wasn’t meant to be fair...

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ChamomileTea ( Moderator #53574) posted at 3:18 AM on Saturday, June 8th, 2019

My heart longs for my relationship and life to go back to before all of this happened.

Nothing can make that happen. Even if you hadn't found out, her actions still happened. That's the shit of it right there, something each and every one of us has had to deal with. There's no time machine, no do-over, no rewind, nothing that ever changes the reality of a past event. You can no more change this than you could change it if she'd hit you with her car.

Grief has its stages, and we have to process those stages emotionally until we finally reach a form of Acceptance which sticks. We're bogged in Denial, Bargaining, Anger, and Depression, and even glimmers of Acceptance by turns, then back again, in one stage and out of another, sometimes with no particular order... until we've finally accepted that these events happened and that we can't change them. Nothing will give you back your old life or the sense of innocent security you had in it. Whether you split or you repair, it's still going to be different.

Your mind is essentially an organic computer, and its being asked to rewrite data that was already accepted as factual. Our minds don't like that. We grasp for truth, verify it, reverify and continue reverifying it until we can finally budge up the old truth. We grow our own neural networks. Your old pathway, where your brain stored information on your SO says she's a trusted character who can't hurt you. But now, here's this new pathway which tells you something different. Our minds LOVE familiar pathways. They go for that old one until the new one can finally supplant it in terms of familiarity, but even then, the old one remains, like a trap just waiting for us to slip up.

There's NOTHING wrong with you. This happens to us all. We're human beings with remarkably similar brain structures. You'll struggle to create this new organization in your brain, checking facts, verifying them with a frenzied sense of urgency, looking for ways to contradict the new data and support the old familiar set. But this is very much like the old fable about the two wolves. The neural pathway which dominates is the one you consistently feed.

These things happened and your SO is not the person you thought she was. Is she a person who's worthy of your time and your effort? It doesn't look like it from this side of the keyboard, but the familiar routing in your brain will demand that she is. That said, you're not on auto-pilot anymore. You're creating a new data set. Try not to get bogged down in the old one.

BW: 2004(online EAs), 2014 (multiple PAs); Married 40 years; in R with fWH for 10

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keptmyword ( member #35526) posted at 4:48 AM on Saturday, June 8th, 2019

Is there anything you consider a “dealbreaker” in a relationship?

Anything at all that would have you assertively ending a relationship?

It has nothing to do with you.

Filed for and proceeded with divorce.

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bookworm19 ( member #54871) posted at 10:33 AM on Saturday, June 8th, 2019

Dear LateNight, reading your posts this is so heartbreaking. NC really would be the best thing you can do.

This

Today, we did not meet up and talk.

She said maybe tomorrow. Or next weekend.

I have no idea what shes doing.

is all you need to know. She is feeding you breadcrumbs. Actually crumbs from breadcrumbs. This is nothing. You are drowning in rapids and she is throwing a little straw to you. Please, don't drown!

You will find strength in you, please listen to people here

English is not my language, sorry for mistakes and funny words...

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skerzoid ( member #55962) posted at 2:29 PM on Saturday, June 8th, 2019

LateNight

As long as you keep fantasizing about being able to go back to the way things were before, you will stay in misery.

You have to get strong, stop making excuses for her abuse, and move on.

This thread is disturbing because you don't show any sign of holding her accountable for her horrific abuses.

She throws you a crumb, you fall all over yourself to welcome her back.

We all feel for you, but on the other hand, you are not showing the strength and courage you need to heal from this.

You have to man up! You have to get a hold of your emotions. Women are drawn to strength and courage.

You outed her as you should have.

You said you have evidence of gang-bangs, multiple other men, and you act like you have to have undeniable proof. No you don't. As long as you believe it, that's all it takes. You will never forget or forgive.

Gang-bangs? Did you ask her about it?

Get real. Get on with your life man!

[This message edited by skerzoid at 8:31 AM, June 8th (Saturday)]

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Odonna ( member #38401) posted at 4:28 PM on Saturday, June 8th, 2019

LN,

Several pages back you said this:

I'm not making excuses for her, but fucking a there has to have been something that I did or didn't do that led to this. To the start of it. And then once it was started she didn't really have a reason to come clean because she was already done at that point.

This is not due to anything you did or did not do. Gently, has there been an element of S&M in your relationship to date? Having a number of the items on hand that were used in the final humiliation scene a couple months back suggests that is true. My guess is that she has been hiding how deep the urge to humiliate you really runs. And probably feeling bad about herself for uncovering how deep that streak goes. People who hate themselves inside do things like become a “thing” to be sexually used by an older man, or submit to gang-bangs or anonymous sex because in their minds they deserve that.

And when she discovered that you would not leave her even when she revealed to you her deepest sadistic needs, she let loose. Further humiliating you is just irresistible to her. Then she feels bad and subjects herself to more promiscuity and deviance. So now promising to tell you everything and then postponing it and letting you twist is just one more piece of the exciting game. She thinks she has you trapped and that you will take it all and stay with her. Is that true? We all desperately hope not.

All the posts here are encouraging you to really question where your boundary is. How much is too much for you?

Download the free pdf book “How to Help Your Spouse Heal From Your Affair” by Linda Mcdonald, which will show you (and her) what a truly remorseful Spouse should be doing to “re-build.” Do you see her ever doing any of those things (many posted above). Have her read the book on a 24 hour deadline before you do any more talking. And if you do talk really observe her to see is she is baring herself to you out of an urge to be truthful as part of her remorse. Or as just one more scene in her humiliation play, starring you.

[This message edited by Odonna at 10:50 AM, June 8th (Saturday)]

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sisoon ( Moderator #31240) posted at 5:41 PM on Saturday, June 8th, 2019

Yes I'm probably codependent af.

I hate that I am.

My heart longs for my relationship and life to go back to before all of this happened.

LN, 'Co-dependent' is a description. It's not a life sentence.

It's not a life sentence; it's a choice. You can choose to continue co-dependently, and you can choose to live authentically.

I don't mean that it's easy to make a different choice, and I don't mean it's easy to effect a new choice. I just mean that you - you - have it in you even now to get out of co-dependence. You'll probably need the help of a good IC, so I urge you to go find one.

You can start by doing things like taking responsibility for your choices. Rewrite your S/M experience in terms of 'I chose,' I wanted,' 'I didn't want ___, but I let it happen,' I didn't want ____, but I was bound and couldn't stop it.'

*****

ETA: You could frame this experience as 'I tried this out, and I hated it.' Thinking you might like being a bottom or top is not a character flaw. Besides, as the M half of an S/M pair, you win by stopping it.

*****

Stop thinking about what your W wants. Acknowledge what you want.

And you can start getting out of co-d by going NC with your W, or by telling her, 'No contact until you quit your job.,' or 'No contact until you're out of your A.'

You can do this. Right now, you can adopt these practices. You have the strength in you already, and you can find that strength. Look, find, do.

[This message edited by sisoon at 12:00 PM, June 9th (Sunday)]

fBH (me) - on d-day: 66, Married 43, together 45, same sex apDDay - 12/22/2010Recover'd and R'edYou don't have to like your boundaries. You just have to set and enforce them.

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brokendreamer ( member #63182) posted at 6:43 PM on Saturday, June 8th, 2019

Hi LN

Hugs ((((())))))) Trust me, I know that feeling of just wanting to go back in time and none of this happened, I all us BS's do or at least most.

You are still in the shock phase and your emotions are all over the place, that is completely normal On top of the shock, you are dealing with fear, pain, self blame, hurt, anger etc Believe me when I say of course your head is going to be up your ass right now, you are in panic and survival mode.

Can you go out with a friend or invite one over, just to give you a little break from the mind overdrive? I honestly think that she is trying to call the shots again to regain control of you, hence her throwing doubt at you regarding when and if she is prepared to talk. Once again, she is being very manipulative, she is fully aware that all she has to do is snap her fingers and you will be putty in her hands. In effect, she is letting you 'think' and withdrawing from you so that you are completely desperate to have her back and as such will forgive her completely when SHE decides to return, on HER terms.

Please trust and believe me when I say to you this: I don't think she has any intentions of leaving you, she will return in her own good time when she deems that you are sorry and vulnerable enough to suit her. She is emotionally abusing you, secure in the deep love you have for her, that is so very cruel, I understand I was there too with my ex. I can almost feel your pain and desperation, it is heartbreaking to witness

You know, when I first came here within days of him leaving, I was where you are. I read the advice given to me and admit that it was painful and overwhelming at times. I was so very desperate for the horrendous pain to stop, sadly looking back, I admit to feeling suicidal at times, I could not cope. I would have crawled the length of the country on my hands and knees if I thought it would make him come back and everything be ok again. So honestly, I do know how you are feeling, most of us here do. People are feeling your pain and trying to help, I am sure your situation and palpable pain have touched the hearts of so many here and I for one hold up my hand to having been somewhat triggered by your heart wrenching posts and shed a little tear. I am feeling for you and so wish I had a magic wand to take your pain away, but I don't. All I can do is offer you support and share the amazing advice given to me here, which helped me through those darkest of days. My son is almost the same age that you were when you took on your SO and her son, she (SO) needs to thank her lucky stars that I am not her mother in law!!! because as I think you guys say over the pond there, her ass would be grass!

Look, you do not have to act on all the advice given here at this time, or ever if that is your wish. But try to implement the basics at least, I set myself goals which initially were as simple as get through the next hour, make some toast and have a quick shower. I was not eating, I was drinking wine to numb the pain and sleep, I stunk like a skunk because I could not even motivate myself to shower and I spent most of my days in bed sobbing and bargaining with God. I was a holy mess! I cried so hard that I would throw up and howled like a tortured animal, it was pitiful and I see that in you.

The good thing was though that I was reading SI almost constantly and I realised that I had to take some action, however small or I would wind up in hospital or dead. I prayed and prayed and prayed to God for some help. It was then that I read a reply from an SI angel (as I call members here haha) that person said words to the effect of, 'right enough, nobody is expecting you to get right up and start making major decisions, or to be strong, what I want you to do is take one hour at a time. At 3pm focus on getting to 4pm, but do you small thing to help yourself' That kick started my recovery! One hour I would manage to eat a slice of toast, a tiny step, but a forward step nonetheless. From 4-5pm I would clean my teeth, from 6-7 I watched a funny youtube video etc etc. By setting myself these goals and watching the clock, the evening set in before I knew it. If I achieved all my goals, I would reward myself with 2 glasses of wine and one moaning phonecall to a friend. I subscribed to Netflix and began watching a movie a night in bed. Often I would fall asleep exhausted from stress and crying, if only for 2-3 hours. As the days went by I changed the hour to 2 hours and set 2 small goals, until after a two weeks, I had quit stinking (eek) was keeping small meals down and had stopped vomiting. All I am suggesting you do right now is try that, baby steps and realistic, achievable goals. Now comes the most important part and I know you won't like this, but you MUST, MUST, MUST go NC with her. I cannot stress this enough. I promise you, it does not push a WS away, quite the opposite, it makes THEM start to experience a little doubt and fear. That is when they become the one's to start to wonder what you are doing, try to figure out what is going on in your mind. It may not happen quickly, but if you stick with it, it will. By adopting this 'small goal' and NC you are achieving 2 things, firstly you are taking the first steps towards becoming stronger and secondly, you are sending out a clear message that you are NOT completely dependent on WS and that her behaviour is completely unacceptable. I can't tell you how long it will take for your SO to do an about turn, it varies, mine took 14 months, but I have read here of other WS's reacting very quickly. Try not to make her feeling genuine remorse and wanting back in, your goal. Make this about you, the rest will follow in time. Soak up all support from family, friends and loved ones, you are a lovely, kind man and they will want to help.

If you truly want to save this relationship, you MUST temporarily detach from her. If you take her back now, there will be more of this hurt and pain ahead, this will result in you becoming more and more broken. Please summon up all your strength and send her a text (DO NOT ring her, it will be more difficult to see it through) tell her that right now you need time and space to consider your future and to heal. Believe me, she is not going to like it and will possibly react in one of two ways. She will either panic and fling you some breadcrumbs, or she will play the smart ass and give it the 'fine whatever' Do NOT respond if she texts back, in fact block her number as soon as you have sent the text. You need to protect yourself from further pain and she is the current source of all your pain.

I started this reply by saying that I think she will try to make moves to come back, but not until she has a genuine fear that she has lost you. Turn the tables on her and regain control, you have to play this like a game of chess, strategically, without emotion and by calculating not only your next move, but hers too.

It is no coincidence that all members here have advised you to go NC. No one wants to see you crash and burn or to ruin any chance of reconciliation down the line. They and I are giving you this advice in order to help you get stronger and to salvage your relationship if that is possible. Members here have either been there done that, or have read about such an abundance of similar situations from other posters, that they are totally clued up on the consequences and outcomes of situations like yours. They are forewarning and forearming you because they care, everyone is sharing their collective experiences and wisdom in order to help you avoid the pitfalls and increase the potential for a positive outcome, both in terms of your wellbeing and your relationship.

If you only take one step today, please send that text re NC! We are all here encouraging you and for support. Do it please, then come right back here to talk and use that support.

You can do this, you are in my thoughts

BD x

"One of the Keys to happiness is a bad memory" - Rita Mae Brown

"When karma comes to punch you in the face, I wanna be there just in case she needs help"

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 LateNght (original poster member #70640) posted at 7:43 PM on Sunday, June 9th, 2019

Needless to say I didnt NC

But I'm getting closer to it.

Because theres only so much you can do ya know?

Someone else had posted I'd probably be willing to rug sweep and act like nothing happened if she'd just come back.

I spent alot of time thinking about that comment. The thing that kept popping up in my head was "would she even take that? That's a deal of a lifetime, but would she even take it? If it were handed to her on a silver platter would she accept it or toss it away like garbage"....

I had to know the answer... I HAD to.

So that's exactly what I offered.

She didnt accept it. But she also wouldnt tell me to give up on her and just let the relationship die.

Basically wants to string me along bc she doesn't know what she wants. Yeah, right.

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The OBS wants to meet today.

I'm so torn between giving her the phone and not giving it to her.

On the one hand giving her the phone means 100% consequences for SO and OM. As OBS would have physical proof of what happened between them. Also OM business partner is implicated in soliciting so he'd be screwed as well. It would almost certainly lead to the following...

1. divorce for OM and major financial losses.

2. SO loses job.

3. SO gets sued for AOA. Our state still has this legislation on the books and is known to uphold it, even to ridiculous levels sometimes.

4. Business partner gets hit with SH case after SO loses job.

ON THE OTHER HAND...

I dont know if I should give OBS the phone bc that's alot of power to fuck up alot of peoples lives.

And for what really? My cheating gf took another man's D***. Do I really wanna mess up their lives for that?

Also is it even legal to give her the phone?

AOA isn't just sexual its anyone who interferes with the affection between 2 married people. But I'm not sure if there are exceptions, such as a man telling the wife of another man that her husband's cheating on her. I would think that would be an exception but I'm not 100% sure.

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Unhinged ( member #47977) posted at 8:04 PM on Sunday, June 9th, 2019

If the roles were reversed, what would you want?

Married 2005
D-Day April, 2015
Divorced May, 2022

"The Universe is not short on wake-up calls. We're just quick to hit the snooze button." -Brene Brown

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cocoplus5nuts ( member #45796) posted at 8:06 PM on Sunday, June 9th, 2019

You should absolutely give the OBS any and all evidence you have that she wants. The OBS deserves to know everything. This is her life, too.

The consequences are the problem of the perpetrators. They should've thought of them before they did what they did.

Me(BW): 1970
WH(caveman): 1970
Married June, 2000
DDay#1 June 8, 2014 EA
DDay#2 12/05/14 confessed to sex before polygraph
Status: just living my life

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Odonna ( member #38401) posted at 8:12 PM on Sunday, June 9th, 2019

There is a middle ground. You can take screen shots of some choice bits and show OBS those. Start by just telling her about the exchanges and only if she insists on proof you can show her the screen shots. Don’t tell her you have the phone itself.

But the first part of your post is the important part. If she did take the rugsweep deal it would eat you up alive, and she would know she can cheat as much as she wants in the future and you would suck that up too. But she won’t even TAKE that deal!!!! Why would you want that person as your life partner? Really, why?

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ChamomileTea ( Moderator #53574) posted at 8:41 PM on Sunday, June 9th, 2019

Unless that phone is your personal property, I don't think you're in good standing for just giving it away. You'd have to check with an attorney about that. The big issue is going to be Revenge Porn laws. If there are explicit photos on that phone, you could be arrested in most states. You should never transmit lewd photos of anyone without their express, and I would say 'written', permission.

BW: 2004(online EAs), 2014 (multiple PAs); Married 40 years; in R with fWH for 10

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Buster123 ( member #65551) posted at 9:45 PM on Sunday, June 9th, 2019

You can simply show OBS what's on the phone without giving it to her, let the chips fall where they may, your SO knew her involvement with OM was going to affect their M and still went ahead and cheated on you with him, she didn't seem that worry about the consequences, just do the right thing and show OBS the proof and get rid of your cheating SO and don't look back, you deserve so much better.

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ShutterHappy ( member #64318) posted at 10:35 PM on Sunday, June 9th, 2019

You didn’t mess up their lives, they did.

If you saw two guys beating up a woman on the street, would you report them? You would mess up those two guys lives right? right? Not really.

Me: BH
Divorced, remarried.
I plan on living forever. So far so good

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 LateNght (original poster member #70640) posted at 11:54 PM on Sunday, June 9th, 2019

Theres no nudes on phone.

But the thing about it not being my personal property is what I'm worried about.

So screenshots only?

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skerzoid ( member #55962) posted at 12:01 AM on Monday, June 10th, 2019

LateNight

Soliciting? He's bringing in whores?

Did your wife actually take part in an orgy? A gang-bang? Is she a Dom? What is this "50 shades of Grey"?

Where did you get that idea? What is your proof?

If all this is true, you just want to ignore it, rug sweep it, take her back? You offered that?

Why are we wasting our time? All this advice goes in one ear and out the other.

People take a lot of time to try to help you, and you do the exact opposite.

I don't know, my sword is starting to glow blue.

[This message edited by skerzoid at 6:04 PM, June 9th (Sunday)]

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 LateNght (original poster member #70640) posted at 12:48 AM on Monday, June 10th, 2019

No skerszoid I just wanted to know if the bitch cared enough to even take a golden ticket and she doesn't. I got my answer.

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RocketRaccoon ( member #54620) posted at 3:53 AM on Monday, June 10th, 2019

So screenshots only?

Yes.

I just wanted to know if the bitch cared enough to even take a golden ticket and she doesn't. I got my answer.

Are you finally willing to accept the answer now, or will you want to go crawling back and begging her to get back together again? If you do that, you will have to realise that it will no longer be role-playing that scenario you mentioned.... she WILL bring it to life, and you WILL have to watch....

Please don't relinquish your self-respect. Your WS is not worth it. In fact, no WS is worth giving up your self-respect.

You cannot cure stupid

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 LateNght (original poster member #70640) posted at 4:47 AM on Monday, June 10th, 2019

Yeh I finally get it rocket

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