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devotedman ( member #45441) posted at 5:58 PM on Tuesday, January 28th, 2020

Thanks for posting this.

Me: 2xBS b 1962 xWW after 2 decades, xWGF after almost 1.
Amelia Pond: Who are you?
The Doctor: I don't know yet. I'm still cooking.
ENFP-A. Huh.

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 Odonna (original poster member #38401) posted at 6:01 PM on Tuesday, January 28th, 2020

MMS wanted to finish her thank-you to this community. Here it is:

Dear SI community

In my last message that was kindly posted on SI on my behalf, I mentioned that John had asked me to pass on his thanks, and that there were then 2 that I wanted to add to that.

John felt that SI and so many of you, had played a direct role in helping him out of his "pit of suicidal sadness" and then stayed with him on the path, all the way to his discovery of incredible happiness. He wanted you to know how much he appreciated this. When he made me promise to do this, he wanted you to know how much he meant it began to make a list of all the folk he wanted me to individually thank. He was just about to begin on the third page of the list when he took all the pages and scrumpled them up and threw them in the bin. He realised that if he listed all the names of the folk that had each played a meaningful role in his journey he would be asking me to subject you all to the torture of reading through an equivalent of the "boring Biblical begats". His words. More than this, he realised that it was not just those who had contributed to his threads who had helped him on his journey. Also, not only those whose threads he had contributed to. He realised that in so many cases, he had learnt and been supported by many whose threads he just read, and never participated in. And even some who had only ever made a single comment somewhere on the site. So his sincere thanks go to all of you who participate on the site.

He did ask me to offer specific thanks to just a few. He asked me to thank Mrs Life, Hikingout and ff. He said that from you he learned that there is always hope of redemption, even when it may sometimes seem hopeless, and then, more importantly, the role of humility in achieving this. He said it was an aspect sorely lacking in his personality and when he had learned from you how to nurture and grow it in himself, he began to like the man he became, far more than he had.

He then asked me to thank MangledHeart and Walloped. He said that he saw in you a capacity for grace and an ability of a human to display an unconditional love, that he had not thought humans to be capable of. He didn't think that these were attributes that he would ever be capable of, but he said that at least he would set it as his life goal, to never stop working at it.

In the message that I had planned to send, as one of my thanks, I was then going to name a few people who I knew had brought a special smile to John at a time when he needed it, or gave him a giggle, or expressed something that he had been feeling but was battling to pin down. But after I then read on the site, I realised that I had better not name my specific names. You see, I am pretty sure that I got the names that John had mentioned to me a little wrong. For example, I had on my list; Chalie Brown, Calimari, Bleep, Bi Bi, El Jay, Superman and the Amazing Wonder Woman, Rancher, and Josie and the Kid (my mom was a Kris Kristoferson fan) and Green Eyed Girl. After reading a bit, I have my idea of what the names should actually have been, but I will leave it as a bit of a challenge for you to see if you can identify them. Let me rather just say a collective thanks to all the folk in D/S. I think most of those I wanted to thank post, or lend support, mainly there.

And then my most important thanks are to some folk who I have never known the names of, or how to find our who you are. You are the folk who, as I understand it, gave John the coaching he needed to be brave enough to even just have coffee with me, at a time when he had declared to you and all the world that he was going to make the children and his nurture of them, his only mission. To whoever you are, THANK YOU A MILLION TIMES.

Thank you also to the person who told me where to find the original "Engaged" thread. I found it and loved it.

Also to the person who has suggested a possible way for me to find more posts of John's.

Then too, someone inquired after the children. John was one of those people who meaningfully fill a far greater sphere of influence than most. His loss is being felt over a much great number of areas than anyone had ever imagined. In the school leadership, at his Alma Mater, in his professional bodies, in the community, especially by widows and orphans. And being the dad he was, the sense of loss is acute. But the kids and I seem to be muddling through, and finding our way better than we though we would. We were gifted 2 at first unrecognised gifts, that at first I though would be agrgravators. Firstly, when John passed, all 3 of the children were in the middle of exam season. For our eldest, they were possibly the most important that she will write in her life. Her school leaving exams. For John's son, they were nearly as important. His last in Primary school. Laying the foundation for his high school career. I thought that the children would have their futures ruined by losing their dad at this crucial time. They instead, chose to focus hard on the exams and divert their thoughts from their pain. They only gave themselves the opportunity to grieve once they had finished writing all exams and by then we had already gotten better at consoling each other and had some understanding of how to support each other.

The other things is, as terrible as cancer is, it also brings some hidden gifts. It gives you warning. It allows you to begin your grieving while you still can express love and thanks, and make sure that you can say everything to your loved one that you so want them to know. Looking back, I can see that all of us, to some extent, began our grief process some time back. Sunshine seemed to get this more right than the rest of us. She went through her denial and then anger phase when she could express it to John. She let him know just how much a rat she thought him to be. And then she allowed herself and him to piece together a whole album of happy memories that will keep him alive in her life for the rest of her life. The trip that John did with our eldest towards the end of last year, provided something similar for her. I think that for most of us, we feel great honour when we get to give back to our parents, when we get the opportunity to care for them in their later years. The trip gave her the opportunity to do this for her dad.

The one that I am most worried about is John's son. He seems to be trying to take on the role of "man and protector of the home", for 2 households. Ours, and his mom's. Also, he is now the lone male, surrounded by so many women. I am not sure if John told you that he brought in the help of an Au pair when his ex left the home. She just fitted brilliantly with the family and John has contracted with her to stay on until his son has completed his university studies. My mom moved up from Cape Town with me all those years ago when I, still pregnant, found out I had been cheated on and moved to Joburg. Early on, when John and I first began to embark on a relationship, my mom hit it off with J, the Au pair, and they became great friends. When John and I began to merge the 2 families, my mom moved into the flat with J. So it is the 2 of them, his 2 sisters, myself, and then his mom. When John passed, I then already, got all 3 of the kids into IC, but John's son never enjoyed it. Previously he had attended with his sister, but never on his own. What does seem to be helping is there is a chap who was left to be a single dad parent to his two boys when his wife ran off with her foreign diplomat boyfriend when the boyfriend got a different posting. This dad was a tremendous help to John and the kids, and especially John's son, at the time that John's wife had left the home. This dad is in himself a wonderful man. In so many ways like John, and I think that he will be a man that John's son will draw on at times when he needs the guidance of a man. I would possibly like for John's son to spend a little more time with this chap and his sons, but John's ex is sometimes difficult to coordinate this with. I suppose that she is grieving in her own way, and John's son becomes a way for her to still feel as if part of John is in her life.

I hope that I have addressed all items that I needed to. I know that some have suggested that I join the site as a member. I have decided not to become a more active participant in the site. I have explained my reasons to Odonna. I hope that you will be understanding.

I will read. I promise. And you now know that I keep my promises. I will, in particular, be on the lookout for good news to come into the lives of John's friends on the site and please know. that every time you post about your triumphs in life. I will be celebrating along with you.

Again, a very big thank you.

MMS

And MMS, I will say to you that you should feel no compunction to come here if it takes you back to painful memories of infidelity in your or John's life before the two of you met. Your job now -- and your JOY -- is to enjoy every day, and raise that passel of terrific kids with the memories and life lessons that John left them, translated through you into a brilliant future. Peace to you, Dear Lady.

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northeasternarea ( member #43214) posted at 6:12 PM on Tuesday, January 28th, 2020

MMS, peace and blessings to you.

The only person you can change is yourself.

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Cooley2here ( member #62939) posted at 6:23 PM on Tuesday, January 28th, 2020

Thank you, Odonna and MMS.

No man is an island entire of itself, every man is a piece of the continent, a part of the main.

John Donne

Your John left his mark on thousands of people.

When things go wrong, don’t go with them. Elvis

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gmc94 ( member #62810) posted at 6:26 PM on Tuesday, January 28th, 2020

Thank you MMS, I am grateful for the update and your willingness to share with the SI community. I wish peace and healing for you, the children, and your community.

M >25yrs/grown kids
DD1 1994 ONS prostitute
DD2 2018 exGF1 10+yrEA & 10yrPA... + exGF2 EA forever & "made out" 2017
9/18 WH hung himself- died but revived

It's rude to say "I love you" with a mouthful of lies

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ff4152 ( member #55404) posted at 7:57 PM on Tuesday, January 28th, 2020

Dear MMS

I’m humbled and so very grateful that I was able to help John in some small way although I suspect I was the one who received a great gift. I was proud to know him and to be called his friend. Thank you so much for sharing his/yours thoughts.

Much peace and love to you and yours.

Me -FWS

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josiep ( member #58593) posted at 8:17 PM on Tuesday, January 28th, 2020

I haven’t been on SI much lately but I signed on today and it’s so ironic that I immediately see the post from MMS. I am so glad to read her messages and updates.

I believe I can solve one of the names. Calimari is probably Squid.

I miss John. I miss his posts and I miss his messages. I had more to learn from him yet. Especially his ability to look inward to make his life richer and more fulfilling. And his strength to march forward with his life.

From halfway across the world, I send virtual hugs and best wishes.

BW, was 67; now 74; M 45 yrs., T 49 yrs.DDay#1, 1982; DDay#2, May, 2017. D July, 2017

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steadychevy ( member #42608) posted at 8:17 PM on Tuesday, January 28th, 2020

Thank you so much, MMS, for the update. John, or as I still think of him, Ohfor, touched a lot of people here and in real life. I certainly understand his comment about suicidal sadness.

I pray DDS is able to live out his childhood and youth without taking on too many "man of the house" responsibilities. As in all things, it seems John thought and planned ahead and things are looked after for those he loved.

My thanks to you, MMS, for giving him love, joy and wonder during his last months.

BH(me)72(now); XWW 64; M 42 yrsDDay1-01/09/13;DDay2-26/10/13;DDay3-19/12/13;DDay4-21/01/14LTA-09/02-06/06? OM - COW 4 years; "dates" w/3 lovers post engagement;ONS w/stranger post commitment, lies, lies, liesSeparated 23/09/2017; D 16/03/2020

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WhoTheBleep ( member #49504) posted at 8:38 PM on Tuesday, January 28th, 2020

Hi MMS, Bleep here. I'm so glad you found the original engaged thread. John loved you dearly, and I can imagine it must be great comfort (and something most of us never get to experience) to read the words of the man who loves you, as he spoke of you to others. Almost like being a fly on the wall in your own beautiful life, and getting to experience it from all different perspectives.

Thank you for checking in. It's an odd feeling, and very wonderful, to be thanked by the man (and his dear wife) who we feel gave so much more to us than we ever could have given to him.

Big hugs from me to you and your children. (((MMS)))

I believe we have two lives: the one we learn with, and the one we live with after that. --The Natural

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Greeneyesbluezy ( member #58158) posted at 1:52 AM on Wednesday, January 29th, 2020

MMS,

Thank you.

Those of us who regularly communicated with ohfor appreciate the update so much. He had a special with ff, as did I.perhaps more than I, however, if offor saw it, and I felt it, I feel the connection even more.

He was a amazing man with a huge appetite for knowledge and a very good grasp of actuality , history and our presumed future.

Oh for had opinions, and gave them. And, then we might tussle lol.

No fight, cause he would always slightly turn a corner and come around and slightly agree while totally trying to knock you off your knees while throwing the pillow under you when you fell.

He always made his point!

My sincere Condolences and truly best wishes. May you be blessed to keep the family together. May oh for be blessed forever.

I truly miss his messages.

Stop right there, I already don't give a fuck.

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Notthevictem ( member #44389) posted at 2:34 PM on Thursday, January 30th, 2020

I never knew him as John and yet still miss him all the same. Take care.

BH
DDAY Mar 2014
Widowed 2022 - breast cancer

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squid ( member #57624) posted at 2:39 PM on Tuesday, February 25th, 2020

Hi, MMS.

squid (Calamari ) here. Thank you for taking the time to write and update us on your family. I don't know why I thought of John today. But I'm glad it brought me here.

I'll continue to pray for your family's healing, especially John's son. I lost my dad last year so I too am navigating the loss of someone who meant so much to so many beyond his own family.

I am honored to have been mentioned among those that John called friend. He meant so much to me. I think I felt a pang of grieving which is why I thought of him.

My thoughts are with you and your family.

BH
D-Day 2.19.17
Divorced 12.10.18

This isn’t what any of us signed up for. But it is the hand that we have been dealt. Thus, we must play it.

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