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 GMinor23 (original poster new member #67591) posted at 1:41 AM on Friday, October 26th, 2018

So very lost.

New to the community. DDay was early September, so I do apoogize if JFO is not the right place for this.

Wife and I (15 years, both @40, two kids, 14 and 11) have had a pretty rough go from the beginning. She found out she was pregnant about fourth months after we met, and we have been slugging it out ever since. Our default setting is crisis management, largely due to events outside of our control - deaths of friends and family, serious illness, financial difficulties, addicted family members, you name it. We were the indestructible couple.

The long term incarceration of her brother a few years ago was a huge turning point in our lives. Her whole family relied on her, emotionally and practically. Her parents had gone through a brutal divorce when she was about my Daughters age, and are fundamentally selfish people. She was a parentified child to her two younger brothers from a very early age. Losing her brother for the majority of her life impacted her almost like losing a son.

She was strong enough to help them all through the process, but the immense sacrifices took a toll - they were beyond my abilities to help - at least in the ways that she needed. This compounded by the fact that I was horrified by the crimes he had committed, and I had little sympathy for him. She withdrew and withdrew, and with whatever energy she had leftover, she threw into her work, which is her addiction and escape. I began to sink into a deep depression, desperate at my powerlessness.

Through this, I began to confide with my best friend about the beginnings of the breakdown in our marriage. Little did I know that he would then use his knowledge of her vulnerabilities to press his advantage behind my back.

About a year ago, it all absolutely fell apart. We had a disastrous fight on our anniversary (we never used to fight, at all, being conflict avoidant at all costs, so resentments would build for years). I was unwilling to accept my role as an afterthought in our marriage, the lowest priority on her totem pole - she no longer had the energy to communicate, even make eye contact - certainly, intimacy was dead already. I admit that I said some truly horrible things in that fight.

As you can imagine, I leaned more on my friend, scared to death that I had done permanent damage to the M. I love this woman more than anything in this world, except my kids, and she has a a raw deal from the beginning.

And my friend was supportive, we are very close family friends, we would hang out all the time. Our children used to see each other almost every weekend, play games, have parties - he is a two time divorcee with two amazing kids just a little older than mine (serial cheater, should have been a HUGE fucking red flag for me, but I am an idiot).

The aftermath of the anniversary fight was enough to spur both of them to act on what had been a slow building EA for about 6 months prior, which began when my wife had been helping him through a vicious custody battle for his kids (counsellor referrals, etc), and the affair began in earnest.

At this point, I was oblivious, but she absolutely stonewalled everything else away from me. She had everything she needed from him, including satisfying any curiosity about where I was at emotionally, because I was connfiding in him, and he would tell her. Of course, there may have been slight misrepresentations, here and there, just enough to steer the trajectory his way. Sick, sick, sick shit.

All I knew was that I had lost her. I began to get desperate, and deeply mistrusting. I accused her of having an affair, as I couldn't possibly imagine how she could have gone so iceberg cold without it. There were some very obvious signs, but I trusted my friend so much, I never would have thought he was capable of this kind of evil betrayal.

She told me that she could no longer be in our marriage if I wasn't able to trust her. Over the course of a few months, she would spin the fallout as completely my fault - my "unreasonable" insecurities had become unmanageable. We agreed on a separation, with at least the stated purpose to rebuild and minimize impact on the children at all costs. So I moved in - with him. Best friends, after all, and I had nowhere else to go.

Admittedly, he gave amazing advice with how to cope with the separation. I began to make huge strides in growth as a person, father, professional, and really began to understand my bigger role in the fallout of the marriage. I was willing to be accountable for my part. My wife and I started to get along again. He was an incredible friend to me, so I thought.

So how did I finally find out?

Wife and I were taking turns on the weekends with the kids. She would stay in a hotel when I was home. She would send me texts about being the "sad lonely old lady at the lobby bar." I decided to drop in, possibly looking for an amorous encounter.

Then I saw his truck in the hotel parking lot.

Cold rage like I have never known. And yet I was STILL willing to give him the benefit of the doubt, because I though that maybe he was there as a friend to both of us, to help her like he had been helping me.

But, I remembered that he had an app which recorded all of his phone calls, which he had installed during his custody battle.

I got ahold of them. Hours and hours and hours of calls. Listened to them all. There is absolutely nothing like hearing the love of your life extoll the sexual virtues of your best friend. Mocking my futile efforts in reconciliation during the separation. All of the carefully planned lies, coordinated meetings, all so orchestrated. His subtle twisting of my words. And worst, her declaration of love to him, which he brutally rejected.

I am ashamed to admit, I very nearly killed myself after this. Once that cold steel rage buckled, I collapsed into the darkest place I have ever been.

Fortunately, I have my kids, and my focus is there. I had also started IC during the separation, and that has also been vital.

I pretended for days that I didn't know, kept everything copacetic with both of them. Saw an attorney, paid for filing. At about 2AM, with my finger hovering over the send button, I decided that 15 years warranted exactly one conversation.

Took a Lyft, dragged her out of bed, and told her that I knew everything. Everything.

She had no response for about an hour. Completely flat affect. No apology, no tears, no anger, no answers. I told her that this was it, if she had any desire to save the marriage, it would have to start immediately or it was over.

She did. Confessed, slow emotional dam breaking. She was very honest.

And for the last month, we have been working towards R. It has been a disaster, and we are so thoroughly in the rollercoaster right now, I don't know what the next few minutes will bring. I feel like it is a very false R on her part, she often breaches NC, and I am also trying to work on R with my Best Friend as well, I don't know what the fuck I'm doing, but I am suffering. I wish I had stumbled on this community before, I could have really used it.

I am not sure if I am just delusional at this point. All of the R threads terrify me, as her habits (rugsweeping, minimization, lack of contrition, breaking NC, lying about it) all seem to indicate that it is doomed.

Yet we have had breakthroughs, even in moments, in large part because of the work I was able to do during separation, and I know she is also doing serious work in IC now (we are a long ways away from MC at this point) but also because I believe all of us are trying so hard to avoid damage to all the children involved. And I love her. Still. Fuck, I still love him. And hate him. I will never hate another human like I hate him.

So very lost.

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WilliamM ( member #60910) posted at 2:09 AM on Friday, October 26th, 2018

I'm so sorry you are going through this. Why are you trying to mend with your false friend. He should be out of your life. Why would she respect NC if you have contact with AP? And your wife needs to face consequences. File for divorce.

All things are possible.

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oldtruck ( member #62540) posted at 2:10 AM on Friday, October 26th, 2018

He is not your BF. Never was or he would not of done

what he did to you.

NC that loser OM as of now.

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1survivor ( member #49999) posted at 2:13 AM on Friday, October 26th, 2018

I am sorry you are going thru this shit storm. IC for both of you is essential.

The one thing you have to decide is what is the deal breaker for you . What is your wife doing to be a safe partner for you? How many times does she need to break N.C before you realize she isn’t serious about R ?

If there is any chance for R you need to lose your toxic friend. He has proven not to be a friend of the marriage and not a friend of you.

Continue with IC. It will help whether or not R works out. You will become a better version of yourself because of it.

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Marz ( member #60895) posted at 2:21 AM on Friday, October 26th, 2018

And for the last month, we have been working towards R. It has been a disaster, and we are so thoroughly in the rollercoaster right now, I don't know what the next few minutes will bring. I feel like it is a very false R on her part, she often breaches NC, and I am also trying to work on R with my Best Friend as well, I don't know what the fuck I'm doing, but I am suffering. I wish I had stumbled on this community before, I could have really used it.

The only one working on R is you. It takes 2. Contact with her lover and you are still trying to be his friend. Brother, you need to wake up. You've got the fox in the henhouse.

An affair is like an addiction. You get the addict around the source it's relapse. Her lover AP needs to be banned.

Your Mr Nice Guy Approach will get you nothing.

Your fake friend was a snake who stabbed you in the back repeatedly.

You need to wake up !!!!!!!

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GuyInColorado ( member #53590) posted at 2:26 AM on Friday, October 26th, 2018

Your marriage has been dead for a long time. This affair with your best friend is the nail in the coffin. Just because you have kids does not mean you should make it work.

You need to see a therapist. Figure out why you do not think you deserve better. There is nothing to save here. Go work on yourself and get your self-confidence back.

I'm sorry to be so blunt. But you need it. I would bet my next paycheck she is still sleeping with him because you are such a weak man. In actually surprised she hasn't left you yet. Probably a matter of time. Find your anger and file for divorce.

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Cooley2here ( member #62939) posted at 2:40 AM on Friday, October 26th, 2018

Guy in Colorado, please don’t call him a weak man. He is a husband in pain from a brutal betrayal.

GMinor, you need to stay in IC. You need to consult an attorney/file and you need to take care of yourself physically.

The OM is despicable. Period. None of us think you can heal as long as he is anywhere near you, your wife or your family.

Don’t try to fix your marriage. Heal yourself. Your wife should be doing the heavy lifting.

Is the OM now divorced? You might mention his behavior to his ex. It is something she needs to know.

When things go wrong, don’t go with them. Elvis

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Plate628 ( member #66292) posted at 3:15 AM on Friday, October 26th, 2018

He is not your friend. Tell everyone you know that this son of a bitch used your confessions to him to bag your wife. Tell him that you are investigating legal recourse (alienation of affection) against him. Tell him you are going to own his truck, his house and his bank account. Tell your wife to crap or get off the pot. Let her know what the son of a bitch, using your confessions and fears as a means to get into her pants. Let her know that everyone you know will know that he is king of the pricks, and she, the rock of the family, was fool enough to fall for it. So she was not just an idiot, but a push over.

There had been a crime committed against you. You may have been 50% to blame for a shitty marriage, but this is 100% on her and 100% on him, and I am afraid they need consequence.

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Marriagesucks ( member #46828) posted at 3:35 AM on Friday, October 26th, 2018

I feel like it is a very false R on her part, she often breaches NC, and I am also trying to work on R with my Best Friend as well

This alone pretty much tells the whole story. You ARE in false R. I believe your best friend and WW have taken the affair underground. It goes without saying if you want to attempt R this best friend of yours needs to be re-classified as your worst enemy.

And worst, her declaration of love to him, which he brutally rejected.

This scumbag of a friend of yours is using you to have sex with your wife, and he has no moral qualms towards either one of you. Your WW used the separation as an excuse to have untethered sex with your friend while you watched the kids.

I don't know why you wan't to stay married but to even have a shot at R this serial cheating dude needs to be about a million miles away from either one of you.

The greatest trick the Devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist.

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Booyah ( member #60124) posted at 3:56 AM on Friday, October 26th, 2018

"Best friend"????

He's NOT trustworthy.

He's NOT loyal.

He does NOT have your best interest at heart.

He did/does NOT give a damn about your family.

He's NOT honest with you.

He did NOT have your back.

He was NOT there for you when you needed him the most.

I could go on and on about this scumbag. Friend? Damn with friends like this who needs enemies.

This piece of shit looked you in the eyes COUNTLESS times and LIED to you so he could be with your wife and you want to R with him?

Take the DAGGER OUT OF YOUR BACK THAT HE STABBED YOU WITH!!!!

I'm sorry you're here GMinor. I know you're in a lot of pain, and I hope and pray that you have one REAL Friend that you can lean on right now for support.

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pureheartkit ( member #62345) posted at 4:15 AM on Friday, October 26th, 2018

G minor is a very sad note indeed.

This is a very deep wound friend and I am glad that you are still here. You two have been through many trials. More than your fair share. After a tragedy like this, everyone must take a deep breath and agree that there is enough pain here to break apart three marriages. Truth and a laying down of any misinformation must start today regardless of where you all end up.

The three of you need emotional care. You are badly wounded and cannot lead fulfilling lives carrying this pain.

The double betrayal by your friend is heartbreaking. I pity people who have closed their hearts so much that they can do such things like pretend to be a friend while acting like an enemy. It is like an act of war to take advantage of you when you are being open and vulnerable.

Your wife must answer for her actions.

I remember feeling as you did, seeing things going wrong, not being able to stop it and watching the WS slip away and become indifferent. In my case also hostile. He finally admitted it was an exit A. I was holding him back, yada, yada. There are always excuses that are given for acts that have no excuse. There is no excuse for betrayal. Some other choice could have been made.

Never let yourself be angry that you love and have loved. Never be angry that you trusted. Your disappointment and hurt is ok there inside of you along with the love. We can love and be discouraged, even highly doubtful. I am not saying you should let this pass because you love.

Some serious thought needs to be given here. Questions need answering without hesitation and with full honesty. She needs to respect you as a person and as the father of her kids.

I do not know why life gives us these challenges. You are here now and this is a place of healing and knowledge. Be good to yourself while your emotions are strong and changing. None of this is easy but you can come out of it a better person with a clear vision of what you want your life to be.

Thank you everyone for your wisdom and healing.

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TheGuy123 ( member #59235) posted at 5:08 AM on Friday, October 26th, 2018

Check out the "Healing Library" (upper left corner of this site) and find the tools that will help you heal.....there out there so use them.

8years ago I went through the same thing and what sucked even more is my BF wasn't the only guy she was screwing.

Two things to remember, never let them see you cry... cry in the garage like the rest of us....and number 2 never ever ever ever beg!

Chicks dig confident men so just let her go and save the pick me dance for the other man (phuck him)…

As tough as this is you have to make her think twice, make her second guess her choices by just letting her go!

Once she sees the indifference you have for the both of them the sooner you will heal. Before you know it your old lady will be chasing you.

It's actually very empowering to find the strength to be able to tell your cheating wife to just leave, go away, and really smile at the same time.

And...if you really want to phuck with her head.....get a DNA test on the kids....nothing messes with a chicks head when you question the father of her children. For some reason it really messes with their mind in knowing they are that kind of women where people doubt her kids father....if you know what I mean.

Once both spouses just stop caring...anything can happen and usually does.

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TheGuy123 ( member #59235) posted at 5:19 AM on Friday, October 26th, 2018

BTW...have you gotten tested for STD's?

Sorry man but your old lady has changed the game here and you gotta look out for your self here.

I mean you may be clean and your kids may actually be yours, but at the end of they day did you evr think you would be here?

Protect your self...it sucks...but you now know the woman you were with all these years is not who you thought she was.

So please get your self checked out, see a lawyer to know your options and DNA the kids.....

yes this all suck and this shyt sandwich your old lady served you is not your fault....you still need to protect your self.

Once both spouses just stop caring...anything can happen and usually does.

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Buster123 ( member #65551) posted at 5:23 AM on Friday, October 26th, 2018

she often breaches NC, and I am also trying to work on R with my Best Friend as well, I don't know what the fuck I'm doing, but I am suffering.

If you want to have any chance at R, you need to go NC FOREVER with OM, he's not your friend, he betrayed you, just like your WW, she just regrets getting caught, it takes two to R, your WW is still in an active A with OM, it just went underground, please file for D without warning and EXPOSE the A with ALL family and close friends, nothing kills an A like FULL EXPOSURE, you can stop the D at anytime before it's final if by any chance your WW comes around and shows true remorse, gets tested for STDs (you should too), agrees to NC FOREVER with OM, agrees to doing the heavy lifting to restore the M and signs a postnup with an infidelity clause in your favor, otherwise just let D run its course and get out of infidelity.

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manfromlamancha ( member #47894) posted at 10:41 AM on Friday, October 26th, 2018

Gm is indeed a very sad chord made up of three notes - the G the Bb and the D. Like your clusterf here!

If you think of your "friend" as anything other than a venomous piece of scum you would be mistaken. You need to completely cut him out of your life whatever the outcome of this.

Your "wife" needs to show true remorse and even that should not guarantee that you stay together.

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RocketRaccoon ( member #54620) posted at 10:47 AM on Friday, October 26th, 2018

Sorry to hear about your situation, but if you truly want a CHANCE (no guarantees in life) at R, then you will have to stop enabling your WW and your 'Best' friend.

By trying to make up with your 'Best' friend, you are keeping easy communications and opportunities open for them...... unless that is your ultimate goal here....

As the saying goes, 'With friends like him, who needs enemies?'

You cannot cure stupid

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Chrysalis123 ( member #27148) posted at 12:07 PM on Friday, October 26th, 2018

Welcome Gminor. I am so sorry you are suffering through a double betrayal. I cannot imagine how painful that is for you.

If this was a physical injury you would be in ICU for a very long time. So, it is crucial you take care of yourself right now. All the feelings, all the ups and downs are completely normal, so don't worry about that.

She has "gaslighted" you. That phrase comes from a movie where one partner deliberately misled the other. It's a manipulation technique and your wife and former best friend are experts at doing this to you. At the moment neither is a safe person for you.

There is a section on this site in the "I can relate" forum called "Double Betrayal". Check it out, because there are people that are experiencing a double betrayal.

Keep posting and don't tell either of them about this site.

Someone I once loved gave me/ a box full of darkness/ It took me years to understand/ That this, too, was a gift. - Mary Oliver

Just for the record darling, not all positive changes feel positive in the beginning -S C Lourie

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Booyah ( member #60124) posted at 12:29 PM on Friday, October 26th, 2018

So what did this scumbag "friend" have to say to you when you confronted him?

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VeryspecialK ( new member #63178) posted at 12:30 PM on Friday, October 26th, 2018

The first step in recovery should have been removing your “friend” from your lives forever. This is mandatory if you want to save your marriage.

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CincyKid ( member #57948) posted at 12:36 PM on Friday, October 26th, 2018

I'm sure others have said this but the "best friend" has to go. Now, and forever.

Betrayed, life over...
Life goes on...
Met sunshine girl, fell in love...
Reconnected with wonderful DD...
Married sunshine girl, happy as can be!!!

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